Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | Joker]

Truthfully, I'm fine with that

Bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove Pawn

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ummm
bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove Pawn

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No bye me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

There are NO "responses". All there has been is people going "I agree with Circus, while simultaneously still wanting to remove him".

Explain to me how I'm supposed to respond to that. I've explained my actions, explaining them again doesn't change anything. They are also ideas that have a difficult time coexisting in the first place. Even if there were responses to be had (there aren't), they wouldn't be worthwhile. I'm honestly baffled at how stupid and stubborn you are being for NO REASON.

No, you haven't explained a damn ****ing thing. You've said "you guys are idiots" and that's about it. Do I have to quote this **** for you?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Hold up, I'm comin' back.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I have explained it, you just are, in fact, an idiot. I addressed these things when Circus first brought them up, back when they actually happened. The fact that he's bringing them up for a second time, and you guys are just now deciding that it's valid, baffles me. Where were you before? Were you reading?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Seriously, I don't get this. I come to a conclusion about Circus potentially having killed Rake very quickly, and somehow that's scummy. Circus also jumped on me for musing about the possibility of him having killed Rake, almost immediately. The only difference is that right now, he's pointing it out in the future. Why does that make it more valid? Did you need all this time to realize what you think? Is taking a long time (****ing months, btw) to think "townie"?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Alright, since you're being an obstinate **** that's just gonna resort to calling me stupid and continue to dig your heels into the dirt, let's look at this with your own words:

Because when I was saving him, it was Gheb being lynched while completely and utterly inactive, and I didn't want to kill an inactive slot that we would benefit from copping. Then the slot becomes active (due to replacement), and suddenly our cop dies. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

Paranoia. My response:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-85#post-15960877

You have yet to respond to this.

Request change: to Room 4

You've got to be kidding me with this. I haven't done anything? Circus is still in the game right now because I fought Gheb's removal earlier on. The fact that Circus is now trying to throw suspicion on me, because I proposed that he may have shot Rake, is hella grimy. He's acting like I "pointed the finger at the new kid", and that he's "innocent until proven guilty". He's also saying he's not responsible for Gheb's actions, but that's all bull****. If they were a Gheb/Circus hydra, and he threw that excuse at you, you'd all ****ing remove him immediately based on no other reason than that. Replacements are no different. You don't get to ****ing john about the slot you replaced. That's you. You did that ****, and you're responsible for it. It doesn't go away.

I've already responded to this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-84#post-15960293

While some of them were simple one-liners, there were things you could've responded to. You haven't.

I just don't see how you can go from "PJB is the most obvtown slot in the game" to "hmm, the guy everyone thinks is the scummiest slot in the game is slinging mud at obvtownPJB. I think his points are valid!"

Like, how does that happen? Was your townread on me really so weak that Gheb's slot could make you doubt it?

Just an off-hand comment. I made a response but it doesn't really amount to much.

Either way, I digress. This isn't even counting what Circus has said, because you have completely discounted that in favor of just taking potshot after potshot at him in favor of actually having a discussion with him. I can understand the shock of suddenly having people doubt you but rather than actually turn this into a discussion, you've just sat in the background all of a sudden now, electing to call me a ****** for even suggesting you might be scum and that Circus is still scum and we shouldn't listen to him.

I mean, **** just read the posts. They consist of hyperbole such as the "If they were a Gheb/Circus hydra, and he threw that excuse at you, you'd all ****ing remove him immediately based on no other reason than that. Replacements are no different." Or paranoia, like your stated reasons for trying to remove the Circus slot directly after you kept persuading me to try to save it and use it on someone like Soup. There's no level-headed response here. There have been arguments thrown back at you. You continue to be an obstinate little **** and say that they don't exist when I've just linked two posts (and I know there are more) that you have yet to even respond to despite calling your behavior out. So, I'm sorry, who's being stupid and stubborn now?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Seriously, I don't get this. I come to a conclusion about Circus potentially having killed Rake very quickly, and somehow that's scummy. Circus also jumped on me for musing about the possibility of him having killed Rake, almost immediately. The only difference is that right now, he's pointing it out in the future. Why does that make it more valid? Did you need all this time to realize what you think? Is taking a long time (****ing months, btw) to think "townie"?

Because the reaction was bad, or at least seemingly out of place. I didn't comment on it at the time because I wasn't at all focused on the removal during the possibility and instead dealing with a slew of people ******** about how to win the game, probably myself included in that number.

Either way, let's jump back to how you reacted. Rake dies and you immediately point the finger at Circus for one of the weakest ****ing reasons I've heard. "He comes back and Rake dies"? You could've said that about Pawn, who magically reappears just posts after Rake dies. It's a weak statement and it's not even true and the way you latched onto that slot, just phases after you kept arguing with me not to remove him comes off as incredibly odd, incredibly forced, and really, really somewhat weak.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What trap are you referring to? Just wondering. (Don't remember)

Drew and I both refused to lynch Kevin/J despite the fact that we knew they were scum because we wanted to find the last one that didn't even exist at the time for some stupid reason or another.

How are you feeling about Circus now?

Since we're dwindling on time and this'll answer Ruy's question above, I'm just gonna play my hand now and let everyone see what I've been attempting to do because maybe you guys will help me come to a conclusion on it before we have to remove someone.

If you haven't noticed, or maybe you have, I've been trying to make Circus and PJB play arena. Both of these slots have a clear distaste for one another and yet for some reason I have to practically beat them down verbally just to get them to talk about it. Both think everything that's needed to have been said about the other has been said already by them and there's nothing to talk about. They won't latch onto each other, just simply electing to keep them at arm's length. Given that Circus' behavior could be described as null for a large portion of time since he's replaced in and that PJB has seemingly fallen off the planet despite incredible activity early in the game, pitting the two against each other would not only allow me to see what they're thinking but also to see how their interaction shapes up and if it's ultimately TVT, TVS, or SVS.

But these two ******* just will not have it.

And so here I am with reads barely progressed and nothing to do about it. Pawn is simply the fallback plan because I think we all universally agree he's pretty scummy for rather vague and honestly barely-developed reasons but his play leaves a lot to be desired and his outburst today was questionable at best. I want to investigate Circus for my own reasons because I've had that slot on the top of my scumreads since D1, but his read on PJB resonated a bit with me because I saw it myself and it did look legitimately questionable. Not only that, I figured this was a good way to get Circus or PJB to come out and actually do something with an alignment attached to it.

Overall, my Circus read barely improved. I mentioned to PJB in the hotel room Circus has a tendency for acting incredibly null when he's scum and often doing just the bare minimum of his Circus-y ways when he has drawn the evil alignment. I've noticed some of those trends here but wanted to be sure, though it's weighed against his sudden frustration of the slot's view. I understand why he refuses to do anything and I understand that he's frustrated in his position but I still have to read him and he basically refused to really drag anything out despite what I would expect Circus to do in his position. Both Wott and I subtly tried to push him into the read but it just...never amounted to anything.

PJB, I simply don't like his reaction to anything that's going on. He's a reactionary player, I know, but it seems in recent games (Wal-mart) that he's hopped on the "bus everything" train in terms of his mafia play. If nothing else, he's shown he can do it, so I have to analyze for the chance that he's right and why he's right. He may be right that Circus is scum but his reasoning seems forced and weak for it and I don't like that. If nothing else, I don't necessarily think he is scum but I certainly do not like him as much as I did a day phase or so beforehand.

Pawn is scum. That much is obvious. I don't need to really elaborate on why as I've pointed out just a few of his tendencies earlier today. I'm just a little bit skeptical of how that slot wants to die.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Interesting.

I didn't think about them not really going at each other a whole lot. I still wonder what your plan is to keep Pawn under control that couldn't be used on Circus.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Interesting.

I didn't think about them not really going at each other a whole lot.

Honestly it's one of the most interesting things happening right now and the fact that no one else is commenting on it is also rather frustrating. I guess a dead game will do this to you.

I still wonder what your plan is to keep Pawn under control that couldn't be used on Circus.

Circus seems easy to beat. Honestly I think Koops would beat him given the way they both play the game unless Circus resorts to cheating and if Koops did the same, there goes that.

I had an idea on Pawn but honestly speaking I don't remember what it was.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd rather prevent stagnation, it's clear people are really getting tired of how drawn out this has gotten.

Remove Pawn.

 

[Orboknown]

Do you think circus and joker are same alignment laundry?

 

[Orboknown]

Honestly though like half the roster isnt even playing anymore and all the hydras have fallen apart. Dietz basically told me"ill do color matchups but that thread kills me to read it"

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I hate this game.

Remove: Pawn
Bye: myself
Bye: Wott

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Do you think circus and joker are same alignment laundry?

Very possibly, given the way they're each holding each other at arm's length and how they refuse to really talk either to me or to each other about the other, despite both having clear problems with one another. Their interaction is certainly odd to say the least and not one I'd expect of town.

 

[Orboknown]

Can pawn be scum with them?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Bye: WL
Bye: WoTT

 

[Kantrip]

Washed is scum but I'm way too out of this game to push it.

Joker is town, Circus probably town. Don't think we should be using removal

 

[Orboknown]

Its use it today or dont. Why wouldnt we use it? Whats washed based on? Why would washed keep posting as scum and not just let this game crawl to endgame? Pawn read?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Washed is scum but I'm way too out of this game to push it.

Joker is town, Circus probably town. Don't think we should be using removal

Now this is the real laugher.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Nabe, can we just end this game? I really hate to say it but your entire playerlist is listless and half of them don't even want to play anymore.

 

[Orboknown]

Nabe, can we just end this game? I really hate to say it but your entire playerlist is listless and half of them don't even want to play anymore.

+1 to this.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

yea, i'm pretty done with this game. It's not really fun anymore. It's too long, it feels like no progress is being made, and the only people who have been sticking to it are now super bored. Reading this game has basically become a chore. I don't even care who wins anymore, call it a draw.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

1. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz43)
2. pawndidater2
3. Ryker giraffelasergun
4. PrivateJoker-Brown
5. Shocodoro Blagshidect (Sephiroths Masamune/Xonar)
6. thethirdkoopa
7. Red Ruy
8. Gheb_01
9. Picture Perfect (J/WashedLaundry)
10. soup
11. Potassium
12. Super Fabulous (-Masquerain/Ranmaru)
13. Anomandaris_Rake

Welp.

 

[Orboknown]

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Ran on hiatus joey doesnt check thus any more
Dead

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove Pawn

End this game please.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove Pawn

 

[giraffelasergun]

If I'm correct, pawns removed and can't post, and I also think we have byes decided?

 

[Orboknown]

Soups was in quotes iunno if its being.counted

 

[Kantrip]

Bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove pawn

there

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Bye PP
Bye WATT
Remove Pawn

 

[Orboknown]

Do we wanna go ahead and make the lunch pms?

 

[pawndidater2]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/_...ures/images/d/d8/Dead_Dream_Bubble_Vriska.gif

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah.

I also agree with Kantrip that WL might be scum only in association with Circus.

So...

Circus/Soup/WL/Kantrip

WoTt had a hard on for Circus I dunno why but... I still townread him. I just hope it's just the hard on.

 

[ranmaru]

I didn't out my suspicion of WL earlier because I wanted his help in pushing Circus, but it seemed he was aiming for Pawn even in our hotel room. He only re-directed when I yelled at him.

 

[ranmaru]

Also Ryu is null and I can see the possibility of him being scum instead of Kantrip, because of him pretending to be the cop earlier.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I didn't out my suspicion of WL earlier because I wanted his help in pushing Circus, but it seemed he was aiming for Pawn even in our hotel room. He only re-directed when I yelled at him.

Wut?

Elaborate on this.

 

[Orboknown]

I dont even feel like having at it with ran this game needs to ****ing end and we should be in lunch phase if we arent abandoning it