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Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

#HBC | Laundry

#HBC | Laundry

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Circus said:
I told you I was pretty much done with this game if my removal is a foregone conclusion.
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It's not though. People are leaning towards Pawn and right now I'm not sure who I want to remove myself. Give yourself a breath of fresh air.

And most of what you quoted doesn't really beg for my input on its own from my point of view.
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This is horse**** though. It's not about what's begging for your input, it's about putting in everything you have to say. Cause right now I'm straddling the line between scum biting his tongue so as not to say too much (something I've noticed you tend to do as scum) or town really ****ing frustrated at this game with you.

I will respond to this though:

Emphasis mine.

I actually never said that. I agree that slots are slots and that a replacement shouldn't be treated as a completely clean slate. The slot that I inhabit is still the slot that Gheb was in when he did whatever the **** he did and that was apparently scummy and will hang on the slot for the rest of the game.

All I was saying is that, since I didn't do whatever it is that made the whole game foam at the mouth for this slot's head, I can't very well defend it. I don't know what Gheb did, nor why he did it. If you think it's so bad that nothing I can say can change your mind on my slot's alignment because it is the reddest of red flags, then fine. But if that's the case, then I'm not going to stick around and post, because there's literally NOTHING I can do against that. Posting here is a waste of my time.
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This is good, though I disagree about you wasting your time right now. Please, keep fighting with him.

PJB, you would do well to respond to him.
 
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[LONG DRAWN-OUT SIGH OF RESIGNATION]

WashedLaundry said:
See I don't agree with the sentiment about this not being a normal mafia game. It is definitely unusual but there's still elements of mafia in it. I've been arguing it for ages because you still have to read people. Information is harder to go by and that makes it harder to read people but you still have to read people.
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There is almost nothing about this game that is like a normal mafia game. To even call it a mafia game requires a rather broad definition of the game. It's like calling this a Final Fantasy movie.

Seriously, it's not just that information is harder to come by or whatever. It's that the avenues you would normally take to victory just don't exist. Say we even successfully remove scum right now—what then? We're down one scum and still have to find however many more. Even if we do, without question, find them, what do we do about that? I don't see a clear path to victory. The whole game revolves around winning matches in Match phase. With our Cop gone, mafia now has a clear edge in that department.

My main issue is that even if I sat here and pressed my face to my monitor hard enough to fuse the two, I would only maybe be able to discern some likely scum candidates, and then still be able to do nothing about it. Even if I'm right about PJB, and can convince half the roster to join me in removing him (which is a tall order in and of itself that I'm not certain I even want to lead on right now), what next?

In a normal mafia game, you can at least foresee ways to win. You can strategize. I find myself unable to do that here. It's every man for himself trying to win as many Matches as possible. If the last man standing is town, then town wins. If not, scum wins. How is that a Mafia game? How do you play whatever this is? You say we still have to read people. That it matters. Convince me that's true. Why should I read people? What will we do to scum once we catch it?
 
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Circus said:
I told you I was pretty much done with this game if my removal is a foregone conclusion. Sure, there are some people who aren't sold on me getting ****ed outta here, and you seem to be reevaluating (or at least are doing a fine job of making it look like you're reevaluating), but I don't see much room for me here anymore. And most of what you quoted doesn't really beg for my input on its own from my point of view.

I will respond to this though:

Emphasis mine.

I actually never said that. I agree that slots are slots and that a replacement shouldn't be treated as a completely clean slate. The slot that I inhabit is still the slot that Gheb was in when he did whatever the **** he did and that was apparently scummy and will hang on the slot for the rest of the game.

All I was saying is that, since I didn't do whatever it is that made the whole game foam at the mouth for this slot's head, I can't very well defend it. I don't know what Gheb did, nor why he did it. If you think it's so bad that nothing I can say can change your mind on my slot's alignment because it is the reddest of red flags, then fine. But if that's the case, then I'm not going to stick around and post, because there's literally NOTHING I can do against that. Posting here is a waste of my time.
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you could try reading it.
 
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And that will help how? I still wouldn't know his intent. I still wouldn't be able to defend it and may not want to. Me analyzing his posts is the same as you analyzing his posts is the same as Washed analyzing his posts, etc. Pointless.

This is one aspect in which replacements do actually differ from hydras.
 
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Above was at PJB.

Also, pawn, **** off, for real. V/LA for a week, are you kidding me? You're not even IN this game. Last person I'm about to get lectured by is you.
 
#HBC | Laundry

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Circus said:
[LONG DRAWN-OUT SIGH OF RESIGNATION]

There is almost nothing about this game that is like a normal mafia game. To even call it a mafia game requires a rather broad definition of the game. It's like calling this a Final Fantasy movie.

Seriously, it's not just that information is harder to come by or whatever. It's that the avenues you would normally take to victory just don't exist. Say we even successfully remove scum right now—what then? We're down one scum and still have to find however many more. Even if we do, without question, find them, what do we do about that? I don't see a clear path to victory. The whole game revolves around winning matches in Match phase. With our Cop gone, mafia now has a clear edge in that department.

My main issue is that even if I sat here and pressed my face to my monitor hard enough to fuse the two, I would only maybe be able to discern some likely scum candidates, and then still be able to do nothing about it. Even if I'm right about PJB, and can convince half the roster to join me in removing him (which is a tall order in and of itself that I'm not certain I even want to lead on right now), what next?

In a normal mafia game, you can at least foresee ways to win. You can strategize. I find myself unable to do that here. It's every man for himself trying to win as many Matches as possible. If the last man standing is town, then town wins. If not, scum wins. How is that a Mafia game? How do you play whatever this is? You say we still have to read people. That it matters. Convince me that's true. Why should I read people? What will we do to scum once we catch it?
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Alright, since I've seen this gogdamn complaint throughout the entire game thus far, lemme fill you in since you refuse to read all the other times that people have pulled this ****.

1) While it's not a traditional mafia game, there are still mafia elements and out of all of the phases in the game, this is the one phase where we play this game like a normal day phase of mafia. We're lynching someone today, so actually use your normal conventional **** on this game. You still have to read people and now after all of this time where I've been ******** at people to do it, it's actually time to apply it.

2) Removing a mafia member helps us tremendously. While I'd love to doubledown today with the cop's help, I ain't so lucky because someone let off a little too much and the mafia found out. Still, removing their numbers helps us because while they have additional powers, we have the power of numbers. Increasing the number of people we have will allow us to do as much. It's not winning us the game in the long run but it certainly would help our cause because that lowers scum's chances of winning by one whole person. Not only that, with one scumflip the paper trail starts to form.

3) This isn't every man for himself. While we all have extra individual wincons, we still have the overlying town wincon of win the ****ing game for your alignment. As much as the game tries to set itself up as "every man for himself", we would do our best to help our fellow townies win in every situation we can. I will gladly give up a spot in the finals/winning the tournament if I knew it meant town for sure would win and I hope others would do the same. Ditch the idea that you're playing for yourself. You are, to an extent, but town won't win by playing for themselves. They don't in regular mafia games, and they damn well won't here. Coordination allows us to win the game.

So qwicherbitchin' and give me what you got. I'm not asking you to read the 70+ pages since you replaced in, but I am asking you to pull a little more slack here. Lemme see where your mind's at and let's do this.
 
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pawndidater2 said:
I'm more here than you right now, Circus. You're just sitting there arguing about how pointless **** is and refusing to do jack ****. At least I'm playing the game.

Remove: Circus
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This is ****ing laughable though. I've seen way more of Circus than I've seen of you all game and your argument against him applies to Soup and Kantrip at multiple points throughout the game.
 
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Red Ryu said:
That post really irks me along with what he posted after that.
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Didn't see it until after I posted it. Definitely rethinking it now but I'm investigatin', hold your britches. I definitely think he's scum now but that's not stopping from pursuing other avenues.
 
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Red Ryu said:
Talk to me about your plan to control Pawn.
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Lemme see how these other options pan out first before I talk about it. I need to decide whether or not I want to remove him. The fact that he's spontaneously showing up to play the ****** is surprising to me. It reads of a distraction and so I want to keep digging.
 
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Kinda happens when inactivity lurks in. But oh well. We are in this game. We gotta sleep in the bed we made. Even if it has bugs.
 
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Circus said:
[LONG DRAWN-OUT SIGH OF RESIGNATION]

There is almost nothing about this game that is like a normal mafia game. To even call it a mafia game requires a rather broad definition of the game. It's like calling this a Final Fantasy movie.

Seriously, it's not just that information is harder to come by or whatever. It's that the avenues you would normally take to victory just don't exist. Say we even successfully remove scum right now—what then? We're down one scum and still have to find however many more. Even if we do, without question, find them, what do we do about that? I don't see a clear path to victory. The whole game revolves around winning matches in Match phase. With our Cop gone, mafia now has a clear edge in that department.

My main issue is that even if I sat here and pressed my face to my monitor hard enough to fuse the two, I would only maybe be able to discern some likely scum candidates, and then still be able to do nothing about it. Even if I'm right about PJB, and can convince half the roster to join me in removing him (which is a tall order in and of itself that I'm not certain I even want to lead on right now), what next?

In a normal mafia game, you can at least foresee ways to win. You can strategize. I find myself unable to do that here. It's every man for himself trying to win as many Matches as possible. If the last man standing is town, then town wins. If not, scum wins. How is that a Mafia game? How do you play whatever this is? You say we still have to read people. That it matters. Convince me that's true. Why should I read people? What will we do to scum once we catch it?
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Would you remove Pawn if given the chance?
 
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