Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | Laundry]

PJB is my top choice for removal, period. Rake's flip and the reactions to it are the closest we've come to information better than meta and hunches, and PJB's reaction is the worst one I saw. Not just because he pointed the finger at me, but because he was so quick to point the finger at all.

Aside from that it's tricky. If this were a normal mafia game, I would feel very confident saying Ran is town based on his dogged, offensive play and players like Washed and soup are tentative town for at least looking like they're trying to do the right thing. Visible pro-town intent, but not players you take your eye off of. GLG also probs town for throwin' matches like a good dog.

But since this is NOT a normal mafia game and the normal consequences do not apply and therefor people are able to get away with play that they would not be able to get away with in other games, that all becomes a lot muddier.

Pawn, Seph, Koops basically don't exist to me and that would go for any kind of game.

Here we go.

See I don't agree with the sentiment about this not being a normal mafia game. It is definitely unusual but there's still elements of mafia in it. I've been arguing it for ages because you still have to read people. Information is harder to go by and that makes it harder to read people but you still have to read people.

But I do like your reasoning about PJB. I think that's probably the most original read for the most intelligent reasons thus far and while I do think PJB is town, that read is still truthful and makes me have to look at him.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

V/LA for a week and some change. Gonna be pretty frekkin busy. I see I'm under pressure so try to give me some time to answer to anything.

See now, this is the sign of obvious prod-dodging scum.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You've got to be kidding me with this. I haven't done anything? Circus is still in the game right now because I fought Gheb's removal earlier on.

This is actually one of the things I wanted to hit on. Why did you save Circus then only to turn around and immediately point the finger at him after Rake's removal?

The fact that Circus is now trying to throw suspicion on me, because I proposed that he may have shot Rake, is hella grimy.

No because his logic is making me re-evaluate you. Not because I thought you were scum or were questioning you originally but because what he pointed out happened and I can see his logic behind it. There's an element of accuracy to it.

He's acting like I "pointed the finger at the new kid", and that he's "innocent until proven guilty". He's also saying he's not responsible for Gheb's actions, but that's all bull****.

While the first line is **** he's said, it was him venting frustration. The second line is horse**** because he understands why he's in the position he's in, but he's frustrated about what to do on it.

If they were a Gheb/Circus hydra, and he threw that excuse at you, you'd all ****ing remove him immediately based on no other reason than that. Replacements are no different. You don't get to ****ing john about the slot you replaced. That's you. You did that ****, and you're responsible for it. It doesn't go away.

In a game sense, a slot is a slot and what it's done doesn't change. You're right. However saying a replacement is the same as a hydra is unfair. I see why you're viewing it but expecting a slot blindly replacing into the scummiest slot in the game not to be frustrated at the **** his predecessor has done is a little bit ridiculous. While that was his slot's actions, that was not his own actions, so the frustration at the situation he's in, even if it is a tad spontaneous, is somewhat called for.

For what it's worth, my vote has yet to move. There's reasoning behind everything I'm doing right now.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I just don't see how you can go from "PJB is the most obvtown slot in the game" to "hmm, the guy everyone thinks is the scummiest slot in the game is slinging mud at obvtownPJB. I think his points are valid!"

Like, how does that happen? Was your townread on me really so weak that Gheb's slot could make you doubt it?

Because it's right. What he said happened and I noticed it myself.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You like replacing in when your scum mate sends PMs to a Ryker and EE outside of the game clearing them of being part of your faction? **** sucks.

oh gog what was this game because i remember it ee was pissed

Still it doesn't change what has happened Gheb put you in a hole and we haven't seen you show you are much better off. You have played better, but Gheb's posts still are bogging your slot down.

Still why are you evasive of Ran? Yet ok answering others?

ty based ruy

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

We are using it, on Circus.

You should put it on Circus too

Hold the phone mate, it's not a done deal. This phase is far from being over and if you end it early I am going to suspect you in every single match beyond the phase.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Jesus only three removal votes?

Where's the blood lust

Gated by sensible reasoning. We lost Rake by being *******, let's not continue this trend.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Hey Orbo, you should probably not use that account to like posts in this game, given that it's half a dead player.

 

[Orboknown]

My bad.
Forgot about that.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

This is actually one of the things I wanted to hit on. Why did you save Circus then only to turn around and immediately point the finger at him after Rake's removal?

Because when I was saving him, it was Gheb being lynched while completely and utterly inactive, and I didn't want to kill an inactive slot that we would benefit from copping. Then the slot becomes active (due to replacement), and suddenly our cop dies. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

No, stop this **** right now. Rather than asking us about this, why don't you chime in on the event yourself and give us your opinion. We ain't playin' pollmaster here.

Except there's a reason for this so just reply so I can get it done.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

oh gog what was this game because i remember it ee was pissed

Half life/math blasters mafia.

I called you indy off half Bs reasons and you quoted it post game to rip it apart.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Just asking, but is ANYONE against removing Circus other than Circus?

Nope, I'm ok with offing him.

 

[ranmaru]

Hold the phone mate, it's not a done deal. This phase is far from being over and if you end it early I am going to suspect you in every single match beyond the phase.

I'm not rushing. I'm telling him he should put it on Circus, because that's who I feel should go, and especially because Koops doesn't have a definite stance. So I say "You should vote this guy".

Nothing wrong with that and don't think I'd try to end the phase early. I'm fine with discussion but I just want Circus removed. I did say I would be the one to hammer, remember?

 

[ranmaru]

Gated by sensible reasoning. We lost Rake by being *******, let's not continue this trend.

Maybe. Yet what also happened was less posting too. Two examples are Kantrip and Soup, who haven't voted at all or given any alternatives. That's what I mean.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Except there's a reason for this so just reply so I can get it done.

You're in no position to try this ****, my friend.

You can see any removal votes, I don't see why you're asking it.

 

[ranmaru]

Request change to room 2.

(So that I can switch with PJB)

This guy hasn't given an opinion on who he wants to remove or not, so he should.

I'm down to room with peeps. I had to be a loner for lunch 3 times but I've done that now so yeah. Where do y'all want me? Townie overflow room?

This guy also doesn't talk about removal.

I'm against removing Circus over Pawn.

This guy is against Circus being removed over Pawn. (But he's not very vocal, he's laying back)

V/LA for a week and some change. Gonna be pretty frekkin busy. I see I'm under pressure so try to give me some time to answer to anything.

This guy is VLA.

 

[ranmaru]

I'll concede on Soup not using a removal vote. He did give an opinion.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm not rushing. I'm telling him he should put it on Circus, because that's who I feel should go, and especially because Koops doesn't have a definite stance. So I say "You should vote this guy".

Nothing wrong with that and don't think I'd try to end the phase early. I'm fine with discussion but I just want Circus removed. I did say I would be the one to hammer, remember?

Yeh but I don't even know if Circus is the one who should go today. Let's not be so sure that he's being removed right now.

Seph, just out your bull****, the majority of the game wants his lynch right now. Unless you need a specific number, I don't see why you're holding it.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeh but I don't even know if Circus is the one who should go today.

Why? What's holding you up? Talk to me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

This guy hasn't given an opinion on who he wants to remove or not, so he should.




This guy also doesn't talk about removal.



This guy is against Circus being removed over Pawn. (But he's not very vocal, he's laying back)




This guy is VLA.

Okay maybe I'm wrong.

I still don't see why he's even keeping count though.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Why? What's holding you up? Talk to me.

No, let me do my thing, then we'll talk. I will say I'm not as sold on Circus as I was 2 day phases ago but my vote is still there.

 

[ranmaru]

What thing is that though? I don't know what else there is for you to do, unless you are still catching up. Then I can wait.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Because when I was saving him, it was Gheb being lynched while completely and utterly inactive, and I didn't want to kill an inactive slot that we would benefit from copping. Then the slot becomes active (due to replacement), and suddenly our cop dies. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

e_e

I want to say you're better than this. This reads of a massive, massive stretch and is incredibly, incredibly weak. You had more to this.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What thing is that though? I don't know what else there is for you to do, unless you are still catching up. Then I can wait.

Just watch.

 

[ranmaru]

Just watch.

Aight. *Popcorn*

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

You're in no position to try this ****, my friend.

You can see any removal votes, I don't see why you're asking it.

I don't see the harm of people answering this. This act out against me is unwarranted as ****. Are you really that desperate with thread power that you won't let me ask this simple thing? And ALL I'm asking is for people to give me a solid stance. Dunno why you're acting like this is even remotely a problem.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't see the harm of people answering this. This act out against me is unwarranted as ****. Are you really that desperate with thread power that you won't let me ask this simple thing? And ALL I'm asking is for people to give me a solid stance. Dunno why you're acting like this is even remotely a problem.

Because all of a sudden this guy that's been an absolute non factor for three phases shows up out of nowhere to start pulling some ploy without telling us anything. Call me a little skeptical.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Jerkus get back here.

Is PJB V/LA?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like inactivity.

Most fun thing in the world.

 

[Circus]

Jerkus get back here.

Yes?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I like inactivity.

Most fun thing in the world.

This is what happens when we've had what a third of a year.

What do you guys got on the table asides from getting rid of Circus?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Jerkus you have **** to respond to, hop on it.

 

[Death Mountain]

Going to a circus.

 

[Circus]

Jerkus you have **** to respond to, hop on it.

Not seeing it.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

See now, there's this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-84#post-15960261

And this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-84#post-15960245

And this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-83#post-15953468

And this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/koopa-vs-kefka-day-4-morning.337719/page-83#post-15953631

And anything Seph's trying to do.

And yet you don't think you have anything to respond to? Your life is on the line.

I mean, after all:

PJB is my top choice for removal, period. Rake's flip and the reactions to it are the closest we've come to information better than meta and hunches, and PJB's reaction is the worst one I saw. Not just because he pointed the finger at me, but because he was so quick to point the finger at all.

He ****ing responds after people started seeing your side and questioning him and you aren't going to respond to him?

 

[ranmaru]

He ****ing responds after people started seeing your side and questioning him and you aren't going to respond to him?

What's your thoughts on Circus not even trying to respond?

 

[Circus]

I told you I was pretty much done with this game if my removal is a foregone conclusion. Sure, there are some people who aren't sold on me getting ****ed outta here, and you seem to be reevaluating (or at least are doing a fine job of making it look like you're reevaluating), but I don't see much room for me here anymore. And most of what you quoted doesn't really beg for my input on its own from my point of view.

I will respond to this though:

Request change: to Room 4

You've got to be kidding me with this. I haven't done anything? Circus is still in the game right now because I fought Gheb's removal earlier on. The fact that Circus is now trying to throw suspicion on me, because I proposed that he may have shot Rake, is hella grimy. He's acting like I "pointed the finger at the new kid", and that he's "innocent until proven guilty". He's also saying he's not responsible for Gheb's actions, but that's all bull****. If they were a Gheb/Circus hydra, and he threw that excuse at you, you'd all ****ing remove him immediately based on no other reason than that. Replacements are no different. You don't get to ****ing john about the slot you replaced. That's you. You did that ****, and you're responsible for it. It doesn't go away.

Emphasis mine.

I actually never said that. I agree that slots are slots and that a replacement shouldn't be treated as a completely clean slate. The slot that I inhabit is still the slot that Gheb was in when he did whatever the **** he did and that was apparently scummy and will hang on the slot for the rest of the game.

All I was saying is that, since I didn't do whatever it is that made the whole game foam at the mouth for this slot's head, I can't very well defend it. I don't know what Gheb did, nor why he did it. If you think it's so bad that nothing I can say can change your mind on my slot's alignment because it is the reddest of red flags, then fine. But if that's the case, then I'm not going to stick around and post, because there's literally NOTHING I can do against that. Posting here is a waste of my time.

 

[Circus]

What's your thoughts on Circus not even trying to respond?

dis thirsty *****, mang.