Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

look i don't give a **** that it's not traditional mafia, the whole "we need to read people" element is still part of this game and we need to act as such. we've been over this.

talk to me about the plan i laid out above for tomorrow.

I'm reading people. A reaction is a reaction. A MAF is just as pressured by words as they are from the possibilty of getting eliminated completely. We've been over this, I believe. I can tell you for certain I have reads just based on how everything has gone down, and I don't need to write a six page thesis about it either.

 

[ranmaru]

Don't see a reason not to use the removal when we have the opportunity. It's our only chance to do so. I'll think more about this later, but I'm going to dip now and try to focus on some homework.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Let me just get this out right now:

If you were paired against someone you town-read, would you take the risk of throwing for them, or winning for yourself? The obvious answer seems like for yourself, right? Wrong. I think if we can start to coordinate the brackets and how matches are played out, then we can turn this around. Instead of directly pressuring a player with one measly removal, you should start pressuring them by elimination. Is there anyone who is currently in low-standing that you want gone? That you want to keep? Think about it. WOTS is definitely someone I want to keep around. So is GLG based on previous results (I really doubt maf would go ahead and poison themselves).

well i want circus gone and it's physically impossible to eliminate him now i feel

i wouldn't mind kantrip gone but he's already really close to that pool, just beat him in the match and don't let the cop investigate him again.

rake's pretty much in the pool himself after losing to ghe-...

why, outside of circus, are my other strong reads being threatened with elimination right now? i could expect possibly one tanking it but two? let alone possibly three? something isn't right here.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm reading people. A reaction is a reaction. A MAF is just as pressured by words as they are from the possibilty of getting eliminated completely. We've been over this, I believe. I can tell you for certain I have reads just based on how everything has gone down, and I don't need to write a six page thesis about it either.

nobody here is but you should still be keeping up on your reads and watching player performances

talk to me about my plan for tomorrow dammit

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

**** it i'll stew about that later i'm going to bed

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Rake's claim of getting a telephone call seems really far out there and the ambiguous line still has me concerned. I feel it's quite risky of him to go ahead and try something like that as MAF, but even if the case was that MAF don't know each other, why leave such a message? It's like sending a bottle out to sea and actually nothing being in there. It served no purpose. There's also the whole talk of Gheb and Rake possibly throwing for each other. Does anyone really believe for both of them to be a team? Rake's actions are very shoddy but look at his placement. He's bound to be eliminated also. I feel I can set aside Rake, and that talking about this only serves as a appeal to people like Ranmaru. I don't feel shame for saying this because I don't have anything to hide. I'm being as blunt as possible and honestly I love the freedom I've been given. I'm not gonna pretend I'm on a higher pedastal then you all but I just want to point out that all you're doing is making open-ended threats that are going to go nowhere.

I don't need to go any further about this because I'm gonna sound like a broken record. PP is town. WOTT is town. Fab is town. PJB is town. Ryu I honestly can't remember, but he can be town too. I'm uncertain on Shoco, but based on Ryu's claim I would lean town on him. I don't know about Koops. I don't know about Potassium. I dislike Pawn (I feel he was far too certain on Rake from the get-go, but hell, that's just me) I dislike Rake, to an extent (sidenote: Pawn/Rake likely not a team.) I highly dislike Gheb. I feel that Gheb/Rake/Pawn has two of them. I feel if Gheb isn't MAF then I need to go back to the drawing board of things. I would like to remove Gheb for this reason and the fact of the reasons I've stated. I don't want to lose GLG. I don't want to lose WATT. I don't want to lose Shoco. Gheb is the only removal I will agree with, and if it comes down to the wire between me and him, then I will make sure to bring the heat.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay, caught up. I'll summarize:

I don't want to use the removal today.

We're under no threat of anyone getting modkilled at the moment and with the amount of phases for this cycle being shortened, I'm willing to back off on it for now and by doing so, I came up with a plan. It is such:

I want to save the removal for tomorrow because I want the cop to claim tomorrow. This is all hinging on when the singular role that messes with the cop acts, but providing that it only acts during the night phase and the cop's removal acts beforehand or that role does not affect it, this allows me to do a couple of things. The first, and most prominent one, is that I am completely assured that we aren't removing the cop. Right now I have the possible cops on a list (it's short too, which is good, but for the cop's sake, I'm not outing it), but for my sanity's sake, and providing what Circus does, I want to be 100% sure that we aren't removing the cop. Not only that, I can start working with that player and share more information or, even better, allow him to out information himself that he otherwise wouldn't before the removal. Should a counterclaim occur, the game becomes much more interesting as our removal target becomes much easier. This'll allow us to formulate a plan with the knowledge the cop has that we don't.

For today, I just want to quick-bye someone and possibly switch around rooms that we need to or players want to for alt wincons. We don't get much out of this morning phase and since I don't want a removal to happen, I'd rather just accelerate it into the match phase, where the game'll stall based on the matches' progress, than delay time. It's not like Circus is in danger of missing anything important here either.

1. How are you certain the cop will comply? He's more of an indy than a townie.

That being said, if he's willing to do so, I think your plan works. I want to get through this day as fast as possible too, as I feel things could change anyways. I might be in the lead right now, but I can lose a game, and it's very easy for me to get overtaken. I think we should think more on who we're byeing this phase however, and my plan should give more reason as to why that is.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Soup, the cop is not an indy, he's a townie. He's town aligned.

Also, Rake is coming off dirty as ****. He's getting ridiculously defensive every time someone brings up the "text message" he got. I feel like he really did think about this very carefully, and thought nobody would ever consider the possibility of it being a gambit. Every time we mention it as a possibility, he tries to immediately handwave it as being the most absurd thing he's ever heard. I'm not buying it. He's edgy, because he took a big risk.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Also, we do know what the suspicion mechanic does, so you guys don't have to keep talking about it like it's something we're unsure of what will happen

Days that are Cycle 2 are ordered Morning > Match > Night. Morning phases are the same length, but no voting takes place for a bye. Instead, votes are made to place one (or more) players under Suspicion for the subsequent Match Phase, which gives their Match opponent for the Day a guaranteed colour buff

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I forgot a bunch, but what I do remember is not liking Gheb because of play, and not liking Soup for that outing of a banned character.

I also didn't like how PP didn't push on Soup after the fact and didn't press the matter more. He kinda just let it go and I don't think town Laundry would do something like that.

 

[Shocodoro Blagshidect]

I forgot a bunch, but what I do remember is not liking Gheb because of play, and not liking Soup for that outing of a banned character.

I also didn't like how PP didn't push on Soup after the fact and didn't press the matter more. He kinda just let it go and I don't think town Laundry would do something like that.

Yeah that stuff.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu you snooze you lose

Funny I went to bed at 8:30 and slept til 7:30 lol.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think Rake is town.

This seems like what he would say while being with Death Bear, he's acting silly and people are kinda jumping the gun on him. I need a refresher on what he did earlier but rereading the room and seeing what he posted today, he's not anything directly scummy.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

1. How are you certain the cop will comply? He's more of an indy than a townie.

That being said, if he's willing to do so, I think your plan works. I want to get through this day as fast as possible too, as I feel things could change anyways. I might be in the lead right now, but I can lose a game, and it's very easy for me to get overtaken. I think we should think more on who we're byeing this phase however, and my plan should give more reason as to why that is.

I'm certain because Cop is no more indy than we are. He may have alternative wincons but he still is here to help the town and I think the OP directly states he's town-aligned.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Also, we do know what the suspicion mechanic does, so you guys don't have to keep talking about it like it's something we're unsure of what will happen

wasn't this regarded as a bad thing though?

so much for kantrip's plan lopl

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I forgot a bunch, but what I do remember is not liking Gheb because of play, and not liking Soup for that outing of a banned character.

I also didn't like how PP didn't push on Soup after the fact and didn't press the matter more. He kinda just let it go and I don't think town Laundry would do something like that.

ironically i haven't let it go as that's still a sticking point but soup's not a priority over gheb, rake, or kantrip at the moment because i can't put soup on a scumteam with those three slots lopl

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I think Rake is town.

This seems like what he would say while being with Death Bear, he's acting silly and people are kinda jumping the gun on him. I need a refresher on what he did earlier but rereading the room and seeing what he posted today, he's not anything directly scummy.

I honestly am starting to believe more and more than scum didn't send him a message, they were just probing to see if he's the cop. Why they targeted him, I don't know, but they did nonetheless.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm not using this to clear myself mfw.

Where did that even come from I don't even.

Like, have I even said I'm town off this ? No. Because that's dumb, i brought it up, and I got put on defense because this assertion that it's a gambit is actually the dumbest thing i've read in a long time. I've questioned people's assertion i'm scum because the logic of it makes no sense at all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

kantrips thing isnt gonna wwork, more after doctor who

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm not using this to clear myself mfw.

Where did that even come from I don't even.

Like, have I even said I'm town off this ? No. Because that's dumb, i brought it up, and I got put on defense because this assertion that it's a gambit is actually the dumbest thing i've read in a long time. I've questioned people's assertion i'm scum because the logic of it makes no sense at all.

you could roll with the whole "they were targeting you to see if you were the cop thing" wouldn't even be mad and it'd put you out of my mind.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

but for curiosity's sake:

Did anyone else receive an anonymous text message prior to Rake? Speak up now, the gig's up, and all that jazz.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

None on my part, Rake lets team up Dbear style, Soup and Kantrip you think either are town?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

i got nothin laundry

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I don't totally feel Rake is scum anymore, I can say that much at least. (Though I think I had him null on my reads anyways)

Oh and here still. We're moving fast.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

you could roll with the whole "they were targeting you to see if you were the cop thing" wouldn't even be mad and it'd put you out of my mind.

They targeted me to see if I was the cop.

Lol

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

None on my part, Rake lets team up Dbear style, Soup and Kantrip you think either are town?

Ugh kantrips probably really terrible town.

Soup...eh that might be a stretch, look how dicey he is to commit to any one stance on me, it's like he's trying to ride the wave or something.

I don't really remember liking much of him but I also don't remember hating him at any point and for this many pages I should have a feel on him. Too nullish for my liking.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

They targeted me to see if I was the cop.

Lol

Don't laugh, it's plausible. When did you receive the message?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Last night bubba.

IIRC

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I meant how early/late in the night phase

 

[Kantrip]

wtf@laundry saying he'd he fine with rake taking X approach

if theres an angle that makes sense
why would rake have to go with it
for you to

wtff

 

[Circus]

Digging soup's approach. Focusing on who we want to make sure we keep makes more sense then orbiting around the one "lynch" we have and who needs to eat it (probably me, cool cool). Not to mention it doesn't make a lick of sense to use it on any day other than the last day of cycle 1, so I think we're a little ahead of ourselves.

With that in mind, looking at the bottom of the score sheet there, WATTson's the only one I have a distinct inkling of wanting to keep. I guess Rake too because message shenigans currently favor him being town from my point of view, with scum either trolling or doing something very silly. Koop, Shoco and GLG can all fall off a cliff as I've barely read anything from any of them and I'm not reading the parts of this game I missed.

I can now see a viable reason to throw games.

 

[ranmaru]

What page are you on, and what's your read on me? (Fabio/Super Fabulous)

 

[ranmaru]

Circus if you aren't actually catching up, I would actually LIKE you to catch up. I can't gain a read from you if you only give reads on the things that happened now because to me it can be an easy way for you to contribute partially. So please at least try to solidify your reads further by reading the beginning and middle of the game. Do that and come back with some solid contributions.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

what is that viable reason circus?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Honestly can't remember, I think I remember it being earlier / towards the middle of the night phase though.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

check your pm recieve date?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

23rd of last month bro.

Why are we still discussing this over important things like, ya know, scum hunting ?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

23rd of last month bro.

Why are we still discussing this over important things like, ya know, scum hunting ?

okay thanks

actually that relates to something i discussed in my hotel room but i'm not comfortable dropping here

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Soup's whole "elimination" thing isn't a terrible idea but the problem is there's a lot of slots down there that really shouldn't be. WOTT, GLG, nor Koops are likely scum and the only in that pool with the possibility is Rake (again, shady connections to Gheb and little presence to assert himself otherwise), and even that I'm starting to doubt.

call me when kantplay does something relevant

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

That and there being 2 phases left makes it hard to pressure a slot with elimination. I think the Cop has the same idea that Soup does but the problem is he's been sacking townies in the process.