Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Wots All This Then?]

I thought that felt a tad forced myself as well, but when soup "calmed down" and got into it i liked his stuff a bit more.

 

[Super Fabulous]

YOU ARE A WONDERFUL PERSON THANK YOU RANMARU JOEY WHOEVER THAT IS I LOVE YOU

This right here. Seemed a bit over-acted.

**** Ran you're like golden this game please be ****ing town with me do you see the *********** that is being spewed in this goddamn thread Kantrip is not even close to townie nor was his post anything ****ing good and i just what the hell did I step into the wrong game

This was weird too. This wasn't a time where I would have enough substance for people to read.

But it was just weird buddying and I wanted to wait for more content to read him by before judging.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Also dietz has said he will be reading up.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I thought that felt a tad forced myself as well, but when soup "calmed down" and got into it i liked his stuff a bit more.

This is why I had the argument with PP though. I have said that Soup plays well as scum, and he will AtE as scum to get his way, and that's what I feel he is doing here as well. If it's forced to you, I really want you to think and tell me WHY he forced it. From both alignments, and then try to consider what alignment he really is.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

This right here. Seemed a bit over-acted.




This was weird too. This wasn't a time where I would have enough substance for people to read.

But it was just weird buddying and I wanted to wait for more content to read him by before judging.

Is this scummy soup in your opinion or just soup jumping at osmeone realizing he is town? Keep in mind that I feel soup has been becoming a much more emotional player as of late in general.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Laundry and Joker should give me suggestions on which match to watch.

your decision doesn't need to be made until near the end of the match phase. I made the mistake of submitting my decision very early on in the phase, but because my original decision was to watch soup v ryker, nabe let me change it when it resulted in a forfeit.

Just figure out which match will net you information that you can actually check against, that's what I did. I viewed the gheb v rake match partly because I wanted some insight on how those 2 players play (so i could make sure to beat them), but the biggest thing for me was that rake had already talked about it so much that I wanted to try and catch him in a lie. Based on what people talk about this phase, and what people you'll have access to in your hotel room, you can make a pretty informed decision later on.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

This is why I had the argument with PP though. I have said that Soup plays well as scum, and he will AtE as scum to get his way, and that's what I feel he is doing here as well. If it's forced to you, I really want you to think and tell me WHY he forced it. From both alignments, and then try to consider what alignment he really is.

The comment itself felt forced. Soup is good enough as town that he shouldn't give a **** if someone is scumreading him, he can at least try to reason with him. He wouldn't jump at someone like that I suppose.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Appreciated Joker.

 

[Super Fabulous]

More on the suspicious side. He wouldn't just scream in joy like that, he would be aware of your actions towards him. Example, in the newb Kary hosted, Soup and I were IC's there and I was buddying him there hardcore. He was so obvtown to me and he was wary of my buddying, to the point I'm sure he would have lynched me if it weren't for his other scumreads. (in lylo) Here, he didn't consider that. He just went OMG YOUR PLAY IS SO GUD RAN.

Now on Soup becoming emotional, that's fine. But there would have to be things that WOULD make him emotional. When he's town he gets emotional and frustrated when something happens which is... FRUSTRATING. He doesn't fake emotion as town. (If he has faked emotion as town, let me know)

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I don't believe he has, to my knowledge.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Point is, I find him suspicious for using AtE, or rather faking emotion to either get out of situations, or to fake a message such as "Oh wow guys great no removal?" when he didn't even push for it himself. It's out of place and there would be no reason for him as town to say that.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

That's the thing about soup. He's an extremely emotional player at times, but he's so aware of it that he purposely incorporates it into his scumgame just to **** with us. I ****ing hate trying to read soup, cuz I really feel like it's a crapshoot for me.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That's the thing about soup. He's an extremely emotional player at times, but he's so aware of it that he purposely incorporates it into his scumgame just to **** with us. I ****ing hate trying to read soup, cuz I really feel like it's a crapshoot for me.

Do you feel like it's real emotion in this game?

 

[Super Fabulous]

That's the thing about soup. He's an extremely emotional player at times, but he's so aware of it that he purposely incorporates it into his scumgame just to **** with us. I ****ing hate trying to read soup, cuz I really feel like it's a crapshoot for me.

I hate it too. I hate it so much because when I push him it's instant :ALKJFDKLF:JDFDF RAN YOU WORST INSULT EVER and i'm like. Damn you soup I hate when you're scum. Especially his scumgame in Ryker Mafia.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I hate it too. I hate it so much because when I push him it's instant :ALKJFDKLF:JDFDF RAN YOU WORST INSULT EVER and i'm like. Damn you soup I hate when you're scum. Especially his scumgame in Ryker Mafia.

His scumgame in rykermaf was bad enough to get him lynched d2 though lol

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Do you feel like it's real emotion in this game?

Some of it? Yes. I think he's frustrated, but I agree with you guys that he's trying to spin it into "I am frustrated townsoup, guise!" as opposed to "just being frustrated with the game".

 

[Dooms]

I'm holding you too that.

It was seriously because it said they only have 3 people compared to the other rooms having four, so I was like "Oh, I better move here, then!" since there is more open room.

I personally don't care to choose rooms based on who I do/don't want to talk to. Honestly, there isn't much to talk about that we can't talk about in here, so I could care less about who we get stuck with. I don't find the hotel room phase specifically useful, so I don't see the point in handpicking specific people I want to be in a room with.

I didn't talk to Ran about it because I figured he forgot about our wincon and he'd want to stay more than likely, so I took the action and just moved us myself so we'd get that wincon.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Re-posting because I still have concerns with this:

I can see where you're coming from that point and the fact he just 180'd on me for no transparent reason, which I would think Ranmaru would much more considerate about instead of instigating a read like that at all without concrete evidence behind it (e.g questioning)

I find the last sentence (in bold and underlined) to be him trying to use my meta to his advantage (as mafia) to state a conflicting read. I mean, of course I would question, if I had any. The only time I don't is when the information is already there for me. For example, GS#3 I didn't need to question as much, I just instantly found Rake as scum because of his actions in RVS, because of other players.

what pisses me off is that even if i read super fab again and started to dislike him all i can do is advocate that he doesn't get a bye but i can't reallyvote him

This is suspicious to me as well. It just makes me feel he wants to change to me, but is just expressing frustration in case he ever did, not that he ever was going to. I just find this grimy and opportunistic. I mean, why say that? (because he was thinking about it)

im not gonna fight for someone to get a bye so i think if we decide on a bye it should be a majority decision instead of randomly throwing byes around.

can we stop playing favorites with the byes also super fab lol what are you gonna do lynch me

This is suspicious to me. In the previous quote he mentions that everyone should decide on a bye through majority, yet then he contradicts himself (after Joey opts to BYE'ing PP). This makes me doubt his 'genuine' intentions and makes me think his previous quote was only to seem townie.

 

[Super Fabulous]

His scumgame in rykermaf was bad enough to get him lynched d2 though lol

What's your point? It was pretty bad but it doesn't invalidate that he relies on his AtE game when scum and it pays off. (And he has gotten better at that and at his excuses as well, through trial and error)

 

[#HBC | Joker]

It was seriously because it said they only have 3 people compared to the other rooms having four, so I was like "Oh, I better move here, then!" since there is more open room.

I personally don't care to choose rooms based on who I do/don't want to talk to. Honestly, there isn't much to talk about that we can't talk about in here, so I could care less about who we get stuck with. I don't find the hotel room phase specifically useful, so I don't see the point in handpicking specific people I want to be in a room with.

I didn't talk to Ran about it because I figured he forgot about our wincon and he'd want to stay more than likely, so I took the action and just moved us myself so we'd get that wincon.

I didn't enjoy the room phase very much on N0, probably because nothing had happened yet. N1 though, once me and watt decided that rake had some towntells, we started treating it like a 1 night masonry. If you've got something that you don't want other people to hear, you're free to talk about it. That's hard to come by in a mafia game, unless you're the mafia.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What's your point? It was pretty bad but it doesn't invalidate that he relies on his AtE game when scum and it pays off. (And he has gotten better at that and at his excuses as well, through trial and error)

Just was saying it's a tad outdated by this point considering he has gotten better. RR;s disney maf was his first great scumgame imo.

I didn't enjoy the room phase very much on N0, probably because nothing had happened yet. N1 though, once me and watt decided that rake had some towntells, we started treating it like a 1 night masonry. If you've got something that you don't want other people to hear, you're free to talk about it. That's hard to come by in a mafia game, unless you're the mafia.

This. Use the night to get outside opinion form others.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Stop alerting me about this stupid game

 

[Super Fabulous]

Oh, yeah I was just referring to Ryker Mafia because that was the really obvious action of him faking to get his way as mafia. (Basically, I started pushing him and he wanted to goad me into 'backing off' so he could say "oh wow ran you're scum for backpeddaling", which was really grimy, and I just HATED that and is what I was trying to convey)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Where'd you go guys?
Mod-which restaurant was removed from play?

I went to Souvlaki by Sandor

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Stop alerting me about this stupid game

Start ****ing playing then.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Stop alerting me about this stupid game

Then replace out.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I went to Souvlaki by Sandor

That was moreso to PP and GLG, sorry for the ambiguity.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're honestly wasting your breath right now fab and I won't even care to appeal to you because you're overly cautious about my play

 

[Super Fabulous]

No, seriously. If you don't want to play replace out.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then replace out.

No. I'm still playing the game, but I'm not playing it at your standards. Just because I choose not to answer your ludicrous theory-driven posts about me doesn't mean anything.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Dietz's mom's status has been officially upgraded to "A-Ok" and finals week is done raking me over the coals so I can finally play for real again instead of just hopping in on the hydra and pretending I'm getting any reading accomplished. Yayz

-Dietz

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Dietz's mom's status has been officially upgraded to "A-Ok" and finals week is done raking me over the coals so I can finally play for real again instead of just hopping in on the hydra and pretending I'm getting any reading accomplished. Yayz

-Dietz

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[#HBC | Joker]

Ok, but be aware that if you wanna sit there and try to play a different game from the rest of us, it's gonna bite you in the ass. Whether you like it or not, how we read you is gonna affect the way the game plays out for you.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

^^^ above post was @soup

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Watt ninja's yet again with crazy hydra power.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Pawn make sure you answer PP's question

 

[Super Fabulous]

Yeah I forgot you had yet to give reasoning for your gheb scumread.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Mmmph. At least I got some damn good tacos though.

This might just but me, but did anyone else get irrationally angry at soup for making this post? Like I understand that soup you are mad about this game and everything but please, don't just come in here saying things like we aren't doing anything. If you want a removal done, actually try towards getting it done instead of deliberately not posting in the thread.

Also, what information do we get if Gheb is scum? What information do we get if Gheb is town?

Soup's bumped up to a scummier place on my radar now.

We get progress. This game has not progressed at all and don't tell me otherwise. Yes, certain players might be making an attempt to progress it by restating reads or formulating new ones, but this essentially does nothing because that's all they are. They're just reads. Does it help in the long run? Absolutely. I'm not against what anyone is doing, but don't involve me because I couldn't care less. If there comes a time where something catches my eye, or needs to be addressed, I'll let you know. I believe I've stated what we get on the removal. I think scum would jump at any opportunity to remove a townie, more than being reluctant to remove one of their own. This game isn't something where you just go ahead and throw your partners out like nothing because this really is a strength in numbers game. That being said, do I think that scum would vote to remove Gheb? Yes. However, that's when progression begins, when we can start questioning people's intention and get more concrete stances instead of playing this stupid ****ing goosehunt that I keep seeing. Am I sold on Gheb being scum? Not entirely. I think there's a damn good chance and I think there's also a damn good chance that we can net scum from it regardless. There is no negative to removing a player and people being cautious need to give me a more solid reason. I'll look at how removal votes went down earlier. I'm not interesting in playing the wall game with Super Overly Paranoidbulous.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ok, but be aware that if you wanna sit there and try to play a different game from the rest of us, it's gonna bite you in the ***. Whether you like it or not, how we read you is gonna affect the way the game plays out for you.

Fair.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

We get progress. This game has not progressed at all and don't tell me otherwise. Yes, certain players might be making an attempt to progress it by restating reads or formulating new ones, but this essentially does nothing because that's all they are. They're just reads. Does it help in the long run? Absolutely. I'm not against what anyone is doing, but don't involve me because I couldn't care less. If there comes a time where something catches my eye, or needs to be addressed, I'll let you know. I believe I've stated what we get on the removal. I think scum would jump at any opportunity to remove a townie, more than being reluctant to remove one of their own. This game isn't something where you just go ahead and throw your partners out like nothing because this really is a strength in numbers game. That being said, do I think that scum would vote to remove Gheb? Yes. However, that's when progression begins, when we can start questioning people's intention and get more concrete stances instead of playing this stupid ****ing goosehunt that I keep seeing. Am I sold on Gheb being scum? Not entirely. I think there's a damn good chance and I think there's also a damn good chance that we can net scum from it regardless. There is no negative to removing a player and people being cautious need to give me a more solid reason. I'll look at how removal votes went down earlier. I'm not interesting in playing the wall game with Super Overly Paranoidbulous.

your insistence on playing this game like reads don't matter is in direct opposition to your strong advocacy of using our removal.

Like, seriously, you just added a reason for me to not want to remove gheb. You wanting to remove gheb, makes me want to keep him. Welcome to the game, soup. Start playing it.