Kingdom Hearts Mafia~Day 8~End Game!~Roles revealed!

[ligolski]

PART ####<unknown> hehe

all I can say frozen is that some of the stuff you say makes it seem like you can read everyones minds and you state it like you do...

Actually, yes I can say that because it is the most logical reason for their actions. If you can think of a better reason then please enlighten me. Also, yes you did know I was on vacation, as I recall you played in Lost Mafia and SSBR Mafia, and I explicitly stated in both games that I was on vacation during that time, since all three games were concurrent.

hmmm...I don't remember, but I'm sure that if I went back a read it again I would see that...and in SSBR mafia I was alive for all of like 5 real days or just 1 day so I don't remember much of that game...and then in Lost i came in very late and lead everyone to kill you (LOL...good memories)...as for the reason, they could have decided that they had to keep up the tradition of just killing you first whilist not thinking of the benefits for themselves and you just happenned to fit into their plan of killing of inactives...this is all really just theorizing...

What's your point? If the game hadn't been broken at that point, then my debate with Tetaway is a perfect example. It doesn't matter if he was scum because at that point in time we didn't know for sure if he was or not. I honestly don't see what you're trying to get at.

funny thing is...neither do I o_O

I'm not attacking (I say attacking because I DID mention them) them for the moment because I think you are the MOST suspicious. Sure I do think people who continued to attack common are suspicious but for various reasons I find you MORE suspicious, therefore my efforts are centered on you. Happy?

yes

Well it sure seemed like you were whining about me attacking you. It seemed like you were saying "stop picking on me, there are a ton of other people who did exactly what I did so why are you picking on me go attack them and leave me alone *boo hoo whine whine*"

I wasn't whining but trying to make a point...

The bolded part and the italicized part, while not synonomous, both fit into the same category of post in my mind: a crap post. Obviously the latter example is the more extreme degree of a crap post, the former is still unsubstantial and is not beneficial to the town as a result. Even if you don't want it to be considered a "crap" post as opposed to maybe a "poor" or "lacking" post, or any other euphemism you'd like, its all the same to me, it's equally suspicious, and equally susceptible to attack.

Then why haven't you stated that you have been suspicous of other peoples' posts when they defenetly don't post nearly the amount that I do...plus then you yourself are suspicous for any of the "crap" posts you have made...

What?! Yes you did! You called me a hypocrit I singled you out among a group of people who were behaving similarly when I accused you of doing the same thing. The difference here is that not only did I attack the other people in that group you were part off, when you claimed I didn't, I also said WHY I singled you out. While it is true that the other people remain suspicious, it is your compounded actions, which I listed in my original post, that sets you at a higher level than the rest.

you are not understanding me...I was talking about the fact you singled me out (which you admitted to doing) while accusing me of focusing in on people...

The point is, you attack common when I felt that common was purposely attempting to draw scum attacks

Dude, a bunch of people attacked him for it, meaning that not everyone could be mafia...its almost impossible and it is cuz I'm town and I attacked him for it being a bad idea...I retracted that when I was convinced otherwise...as you said votes are temporary...

That's an emotional/ethical appeal and it's garbage tactics. Deny it all you want, I know that was your intention.

Let alone me even knowing what that little latin phrase meant that you pulled out on me, I had no intention what so ever of using that as what you say it is...what I said at the first part of this post comes into play here...how the heck can you 'KNOW" what I am thinking...you can't, plain and simple, I put it in there for just what I said before and say this as I would swear upon the bible (and no I am not trying to use this as garbage tactics either, its an expression and I really mean it)...so why don't we drop the whole thing of this bs and move on shall we?...

As I explained earlier, I had good reasons for singling you out so its not like it's a bad thing.

You singled in on me and I singled in on common before because I thought he was scum...

Dude, we talked about this a long time ago. I already told everyone that the reason I came back was Chill sent me a PM saying "get back or be replaced." I could have cared less about your pressure votes.

Why wouldn't you care, its your job as town to care, unless your an experienced mafia player, who u are, and know that the pressure votes probably won't take the form of anything serious...

 

[Lance87]

I'll be posting in here soon hopefully. I've got alot on my plate right now.

 

[falcoX]

hey guys, im in the game now, and while i havent read over every gigantic post yet from frozen or from liggy, so my info is obviously going to be less informed than what you guys have...

obviously i just joined, so I havent had time to see everything, but I feel its somewhat odd that you all attacked ligolski just because frozenflame did. granted, he has a good point, votes aren't permanent and they help to make people talk so its not like he is doing anything heinous here. but most of you, having read frozens posts, weakly said that "Frozen is right, his plan works" yet you hardly had reason for doing this, you just posted after frozen did. Obviously thats kind of scummy.

However, as I stated before frozen does have a good point and that votes aren't permanent, he's trying to get liggy to talk which is probably a good idea. As for now though, I find frozen to be more suspicious than liggy, not because of what he said, but because he was blindly followed by everyone else who hardly gave a good explanation for there vote. Therefore my vote on frozen (used to be karkashin, or kurijudo or whomever) stands.

Yes, liggy does look suspicious, but so does frozen and everyone who followed him. thats why, as frozen suggests, we vote for people to make them talk, so frozen, please start talking why you have so many devout followers behind you.

Alright guys, I've got alot of reading to catch up on, I'll get back to you in a little while...

 

[falcoX]

and oh yeah

FOS: Ligolski

i still remember how you orchestrated everyone to get frozen in lost mafia, I couldnt beleive it lol... man there were some idiots in that game rofl.

but seriously im fo-show-ing you b/c you and frozen are the two most active atm... whoever is lynched will tell us what role the other person is obviously...

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

all I can say frozen is that some of the stuff you say makes it seem like you can read everyones minds and you state it like you do...

I can't read minds, but I come to logical conclusions and make strong inferences based on certain evidence. It really isn't all that hard, you should try it sometime.

hmmm...I don't remember, but I'm sure that if I went back a read it again I would see that...and in SSBR mafia I was alive for all of like 5 real days or just 1 day so I don't remember much of that game...and then in Lost i came in very late and lead everyone to kill you (LOL...good memories)...as for the reason, they could have decided that they had to keep up the tradition of just killing you first whilist not thinking of the benefits for themselves and you just happenned to fit into their plan of killing of inactives...this is all really just theorizing...

Yeah well your theorizing is BS and a waste of time. Where's you reasoning? Heck you could've just gone and said "hey maybe they just decided to kill you because they don't like your avatar", and labeled it as theorizing to avoid people realizing you're just using crap logic. I still stand by my theory because as of yet you haven't done anything to prove otherwise, except throw around totally unbased theories.

I wasn't whining but trying to make a point...

Didn't seem that way.

Then why haven't you stated that you have been suspicous of other peoples' posts when they defenetly don't post nearly the amount that I do...plus then you yourself are suspicous for any of the "crap" posts you have made...

Are you serious?! I DID SAY I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF THEM! >_< This is getting frustrating. I don't care how much someone posts (which the exception of people who post virtually nothing), because its quality of quantity. I don't care if the person is the life and soul of the game and they post more than everyone else combined, if they are the most suspicious in my mind I'm going to attack them. Trying to justify yourself with the activity card is fruitless. Oh and now you are accusing me of making crap accusitory posts? Lets see 'em chief.

you are not understanding me...I was talking about the fact you singled me out (which you admitted to doing) while accusing me of focusing in on people...

Yes I am understanding you. Yes I singled you out, which is IN ITSELF hypocritical since I said you were scummy for singling me out. BUT THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART: I provided ample, legitimate reasoning for why I decided to single you out! Recall that at first I said a large group of people were scummy, but I HAD to narrow it down, and through reasoning I did that. Therefore, my situation is different from yours, and thus I'm not a hypocrit.

Dude, a bunch of people attacked him for it, meaning that not everyone could be mafia...its almost impossible and it is cuz I'm town and I attacked him for it being a bad idea...I retracted that when I was convinced otherwise...as you said votes are temporary...

No scum lure is perfect. Obviously some townies could have fallen into it. Big deal, falling into a scum lure in itself isn't enough to convict someone. It just aids in building a case against an already scummy person. I don't care if you back out later, you still jumped on it originally and it is enough to help convince me that you are scum.

Let alone me even knowing what that little latin phrase meant that you pulled out on me, I had no intention what so ever of using that as what you say it is...what I said at the first part of this post comes into play here...how the heck can you 'KNOW" what I am thinking...you can't, plain and simple, I put it in there for just what I said before and say this as I would swear upon the bible (and no I am not trying to use this as garbage tactics either, its an expression and I really mean it)...so why don't we drop the whole thing of this bs and move on shall we?...

1.) You can fit the definition of something without knowing what the word means. Therefore, you can commit ad hominem without knowing its technicalities.

2.) Ok, OBVIOUSLY I don't KNOW your thoughts, so logically one should conclude that by using such a powerful word I mean that I'm VERY CONFIDENT that that was your intention. Sheesh you're really scrounging for technicalities, smells like cornered scum to me.

You singled in on me and I singled in on common before because I thought he was scum...

And? I didn't think common was scum and I think he caught you perfectly. I didn't like the reasoning you and others provided against him. These are two TOTALLY independant instances.

Why wouldn't you care, its your job as town to care, unless your an experienced mafia player, who u are, and know that the pressure votes probably won't take the form of anything serious...

I wouldn't care for two reasons. One you provided for me in the bolded part of that quote. Two, my job as town is to help find scum. As a townie preservation of life isn't a primary goal since there are so many of us. Even if you guys had lynched me, it would have helped the town out because they would've seen I was town, and gone after those leading my lynch thus weeding out the scum bags.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Yes, liggy does look suspicious, but so does frozen and everyone who followed him. thats why, as frozen suggests, we vote for people to make them talk, so frozen, please start talking why you have so many devout followers behind you.

What? You're asking me to explain why other people agree with me? o_O Uhhh because I made good points?

Ask THEM, not me if you want to know why they agree with me.

 

[ligolski]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Meat View Post
They were completely related, it's just that this is my first mafia game for like two years, and I wasn't exactly sure how seriously FoS is taken and stuff like that. :\
Well FOS's aren't really a big deal, as opposed to a vote, but they still have meaning, and are a nice way to sum up your general suspicions. However, you can't just throw them about with little to no consequence. This is why I found it highly suspicious that you sided with ligolski in one post, and then the next post FOS'd him. It's clearly contradictory.

Quote:
Originally Posted by commonyoshi View Post
Is there any point in putting "Town"? We're all going to think say we are, anyway.
QTF.

Quote:
Originally Posted by camo-man View Post
2) frozen, mention other active mafia game is no-no!
3) Can't me start FAD???
2.) Is that seriously a rule, because if it is I seriously apologize for breaking it.

3.) Huh?
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedocsalive View Post
<3 frozenflame. Srsly.
Yayz! ^_^

a worthless crappy post...and funny thing is, is the view of a FOS...thats not what you said just a while ago...hehe

Whoa whoa whoa people lets take a step back for a second. Why exactly are we name-claiming again? Just for the heck of it? I don't knwo about you guys, but I'm pretty sure a name-claim would put the power roles in clear view for the mafia. The flavour associated with this game is way different than Food Court. Anyone who supports a name claim is essentially advocating power-role suicide.

yea...i said this before you said that...so this post was crap too

Thankyou ligolski. Mega QTF.

The internet is a potent learning device. =P

yea....just a restatement...crap...

Booooooo incredibly tedious day 1's! Boooooooo lurkers/inactives!

Unvote: Ronike
Vote: SmashNinja

I've still got my eye on you Ronike/Uncle Meat.

yea...bandwagonning...

well there you go frozen a few posts that were under what I can logically conclude are crap based on why you called my post crap....otherwise you had a few posts hear or there with something there...but otherwise you were inactive...

Yeah well your theorizing is BS and a waste of time. Where's you reasoning? Heck you could've just gone and said "hey maybe they just decided to kill you because they don't like your avatar", and labeled it as theorizing to avoid people realizing you're just using crap logic. I still stand by my theory because as of yet you haven't done anything to prove otherwise, except throw around totally unbased theories.

and yet you have no difinetive proof of your side either...and isn't thoerizing just trying to logically conclude something and isn't mafia played that way...by deducing from posts and "theorizing" that someone is mafia based upon thoughs posts

Are you serious?! I DID SAY I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF THEM! >_< This is getting frustrating. I don't care how much someone posts (which the exception of people who post virtually nothing), because its quality of quantity. I don't care if the person is the life and soul of the game and they post more than everyone else combined, if they are the most suspicious in my mind I'm going to attack them. Trying to justify yourself with the activity card is fruitless. Oh and now you are accusing me of making crap accusitory posts? Lets see 'em chief.

you said you were suspicous only of the people who agreed with agentli, I was talking of events from before...adn wtf are you talking about with the "activity card"? crap posts are above and no one ever said before that they had to be accusitory, idk where you got that from...

I provided ample, legitimate reasoning for why I decided to single you out!

there are others who have committed teh same acts as me...if you want I can go find them, but since you just reread the thread almost, you should remember...

No scum lure is perfect. Obviously some townies could have fallen into it. Big deal, falling into a scum lure in itself isn't enough to convict someone. It just aids in building a case against an already scummy person. I don't care if you back out later, you still jumped on it originally and it is enough to help convince me that you are scum.

Where is the 100% proof positive evidence that was a scum lure...

I didn't think common was scum and I think he caught you perfectly. I didn't like the reasoning you and others provided against him.

when one reads through everything at once, he has the ability to see things others don't and what about the others, doesn't that mean they too have been caught...I believe so and I think you would agree...

I wouldn't care for two reasons. One you provided for me in the bolded part of that quote. Two, my job as town is to help find scum. As a townie preservation of life isn't a primary goal since there are so many of us. Even if you guys had lynched me, it would have helped the town out because they would've seen I was town, and gone after those leading my lynch thus weeding out the scum bags.

But wouldn't you fight for your life when it was in peril, as I have to do now?



ahhhhhhhh...too much posting...I am getting a headache...I hope some of you other guys can step up to the plate and say something...

 

[ligolski]

i still remember how you orchestrated everyone to get frozen in lost mafia, I couldnt beleive it lol... man there were some idiots in that game rofl.

That was pretty funny and I got you to say you were the pregnant person which for some reason never really aided us...

 

[agentli]

Can the both of you like condense your posts to something more readable, as well as take out all the quotations? Like just post what exactly your stance is on the other, because if you keep going on like this, we're all going to get tired of reading page long posts and start lynching the both of you to get rid of you.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

a worthless crappy post...and funny thing is, is the view of a FOS...thats not what you said just a while ago...hehe

Oh haha funny guy eh? Guess what? The only reason I changed my definition of an FoS is because you guys throw them around like they're nothing. You guys use FoS's so poorly that I needed to change the definition so you guys would actually show some commitment to your ideas and get the game moving. Honestly the way you guys use FoS is out of hand and seriously pathetic. Oh and BTW, that's not a crappy post. I answered a question moron, hardly crappy.

yea...i said this before you said that...so this post was crap too

yea....just a restatement...crap...

BULL EFFING ****! Are you kidding me?! This is getting sad. Ok so just because someone else beat me to the chase of saying something I agree with, I'm not allowed to post saying I agree with it anymore? This PROVES that you're desperate.

yea...bandwagonning...

There's a little something called CONTENT POTENTIAL that you seem to have completely forgot about. Last time I checked, you weren't making any spectacular posts at that time either. Wanna know why? BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID IN MY POST! Lurkers and inactives choked discussion! Wow whadya know, that post actually WAS substantial despite its appearance. So yeah, that post wasn't crappy at all, because the level of discussion at the time didn't warrant anything of a higher grade. As a matter of fact, that post IMO represented the acme of posting potetial at that time, making it the OPPOSITE of crappy.

well there you go frozen a few posts that were under what I can logically conclude are crap based on why you called my post crap....otherwise you had a few posts hear or there with something there...but otherwise you were inactive...

Well there you go ligolski, all my reasons why you failed miserably at finding my alleged "crap posts."

and yet you have no difinetive proof of your side either...and isn't thoerizing just trying to logically conclude something and isn't mafia played that way...by deducing from posts and "theorizing" that someone is mafia based upon thoughs posts

*claps* Excellent strawman dude. Just excellent. Where oh where did I ever mention definitive proof? That's right, I didn't. You just twisted my words and missed the entire point of that paragraph. I said that you had no REASONING to back up your theories. You were just throwing crap logic around.

REASONING | DEFINITIVE PROOF

Looking at these side by side, I don't know how you messed that up. They don't look very similar to me.

you said you were suspicous only of the people who agreed with agentli, I was talking of events from before...adn wtf are you talking about with the "activity card"? crap posts are above and no one ever said before that they had to be accusitory, idk where you got that from...

Quit playing stupid. Seriously, it's pissing me off. You want to know where you played the activity card? IN YOUR LAST POST!

Then why haven't you stated that you have been suspicous of other peoples' posts when they defenetly don't post nearly the amount that I do...plus then you yourself are suspicous for any of the "crap" posts you have made...

That's the activity card. You're saying that just because you post more you are less suspicious than everyone else.

As for the other events, i.e. commonyoshi, yes, I am suspicious of everyone who fell into the scum lure but not as much as you which for about the 10th time is because of compounded reasons that I've been over way too many times because you seem to love playing the "repeat everything over and over for me" cornered scum.

Lastly, I said accusitory when I should have said argumentative. Regardless, post quality shouldn't really be judged if the post doesn't make points for or against someone, which coincidentally pretty much negates all the posts of mine you deemed as crap.

there are others who have committed teh same acts as me...if you want I can go find them, but since you just reread the thread almost, you should remember...

Guess what? I've answered this same question just about every post I've made so far. I KNOW THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE WHAT YOU DID! But once again I need to remind you since you so convieniently seem to forget every time that it's the compounded behavior that I described in my VERY FIRST accusitory post against you that sets you apart. Get it through your head.

Where is the 100% proof positive evidence that was a scum lure...

<<< That's really all that this statement deserves but hey I might as well tell you that this does nothing but scream "cornered scum asking for the impossible." Nothing is ever 100% certain in this game. Asking for undisputable proof of that is just ludicrous.

when one reads through everything at once, he has the ability to see things others don't and what about the others, doesn't that mean they too have been caught...I believe so and I think you would agree...

Yes, they did get caught in the trap, but as I already stated and you decided to ignore, just getting caught in a scum lure doesn't automatically make you scummy. TOWNIES CAN MAKE MISTAKES. Therefore, they can and will fall for scum lures. Sometimes, they are all that a scum lure will bring in. Regardless, falling into that scum lure combined which other actions I touched upon awhile back is what makes you so scummy.

But wouldn't you fight for your life when it was in peril, as I have to do now?

No, not if it meant that I could effortlessly lead the town to an easy scum lynch.

ahhhhhhhh...too much posting...I am getting a headache...I hope some of you other guys can step up to the plate and say something...

This wouldn't be so drawn out if you wouldn't conveniently ignore my points and just repeat your same old arguments over and over.

Can the both of you like condense your posts to something more readable, as well as take out all the quotations? Like just post what exactly your stance is on the other, because if you keep going on like this, we're all going to get tired of reading page long posts and start lynching the both of you to get rid of you.

No. 1.)We've put in enough effort as it is, let's see some from you. 2.) You guys were complaining about how dead the game was. I promised a spark. I gave you one, now the game is as active as ever. Quit being a god**** hypocrit and embrace what you asked for.

 

[camo-man]

>_> Me skimmed all your big posts... but...

FACT: Both of you = helpful most of time
FACT: both manipulated in other game
FACT: big posts like that no help, makes rushed reading, allows mistakes and missing key points
FACT: agentli has 66 posts.... teh devil! :O

 

[camo-man]

Oh, and

FACT: Swearing still not allowed me think...

 

[agentli]

Fact: Just wait till I get 3 more posts =0

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

FACT: Swearing still not allowed me think...

Good grief, it's censored give me a break.

 

[falcoX]

Unvote: Frozen Flame

Vote: Ligolski

Remember, votes are permanent, I just think maybe its best we put a little more pressure on liggy.

Its hard to argue against an angry frozenflame, imo.

 

[falcoX]

i obviously meant to say votes AREN'T permanent lol.

 

[camo-man]

fine. me give break.

(>^_^)>break <('_'<) (frozen)

 

[ligolski]

Battle Of The Huge Posts!!!

wow frozen, control yourself pal its a game...but w/e onto more stuff...

yes frozen, I have made you repeat your points...
a- it clarifies for everyone and me
b- it allows me to see if your arguments are consitant against me, which they have been

the fact they have been consistant makes me believe you are in fact town and are making a mistake...
unvote: frozenflame751


as for the whole crappy post hing, you never answered my question, why was that one post "crappy", you seem to defend your little posts easily enough but yet you have yet to clarify why my one post was "crappy"...if my post was crap, then the posts I quoted from you must be crappy for sure...but according to you those posts were not crappy and by comparison my post isn't crap either...

Lurkers and inactives choked discussion!

hehe>you, among others

Quit playing stupid. Seriously, it's pissing me off. You want to know where you played the activity card? IN YOUR LAST POST!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ligolski from last post
Then why haven't you stated that you have been suspicous of other peoples' posts when they defenetly don't post nearly the amount that I do...plus then you yourself are suspicous for any of the "crap" posts you have made...

That's the activity card. You're saying that just because you post more you are less suspicious than everyone else.

what I meant by that was the length of the post, not the amount of a post, I said this when I was figuring that your definition of a crap post meant short or something like that, and yet you have still yet to define that and make yourself clear...

Lastly, I said accusitory when I should have said argumentative. Regardless, post quality shouldn't really be judged if the post doesn't make points for or against someone, which coincidentally pretty much negates all the posts of mine you deemed as crap.

my mistake you did mention that here...but then why is my post crappy? you still haven't answered that question...I put down somethings that I had against agentli's plan...

Guess what? I've answered this same question just about every post I've made so far. I KNOW THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE WHAT YOU DID! But once again I need to remind you since you so convieniently seem to forget every time that it's the compounded behavior that I described in my VERY FIRST accusitory post against you that sets you apart. Get it through your head.

NO...get it through your head that people have made the almost the exact same decisions/votes/arguments that I have...I mean throughout this game almost too...which means if I die, you will then lynch those people right? b/c if you don't then I hope someone gets you for being a hypocrit...

Nothing is ever 100% certain in this game. Asking for undisputable proof of that is just ludicrous.

Exactly my point, there is always the chance that someone who seems scum is town, and that is what I am pleading you guys to see, I am town!

This wouldn't be so drawn out if you wouldn't conveniently ignore my points and just repeat your same old arguments over and over.

stfu, trust me that you have never suffered from a headache like I have so stuff it...that wasn't meant to be argumentative dip...

No. 1.)We've put in enough effort as it is, let's see some from you. 2.) You guys were complaining about how dead the game was. I promised a spark. I gave you one, now the game is as active as ever. Quit being a god**** hypocrit and embrace what you asked for.

hey something we actually agree on! MEGA QFT

 

[Chill]

Official vote count

Uncle Meat: 1
Eoringlas

Commonyoshi: 1
lance87

frozenflame751: 1
ligolski,

ligolski: 5
forzenflame751,kujirudo,agentli, Diamondfalcon, falcoX

9 to lynch

 

[DiamondFalcon]

NO...get it through your head that people have made the almost the exact same decisions/votes/arguments that I have...I mean throughout this game almost too...which means if I die, you will then lynch those people right? b/c if you don't then I hope someone gets you for being a hypocrit...

It looks a little scummish to me that you would think that others in the same position as you should be lynched as well. If you were town you'd be arguing that they should live.
Either way, I think you both are a little suspicious but appear to both be town. Chill's story though did seem a little fishy. It made frozen's character seem a little bit shadowy (which still could be town).

Oh, and I'm sorry I don't post long posts. I'm not very great at arguing so I just get the basics down and summarize my thoughts.

 

[falcoX]

It looks a little scummish to me that you would think that others in the same position as you should be lynched as well. If you were town you'd be arguing that they should live.
Either way, I think you both are a little suspicious but appear to both be town. Chill's story though did seem a little fishy. It made frozen's character seem a little bit shadowy (which still could be town).

Oh, and I'm sorry I don't post long posts. I'm not very great at arguing so I just get the basics down and summarize my thoughts.

excelent post. i agree 100% with you that by liggy asking for others to be lynched that is scummish. I doubt that there both town though. Frozenflame could be mafiaso, but then again so could liggy. I think one is town the other mafia. Therefore whoever we lych, imo, will tell the role of the other.

In regards to chill's story, yes frozen does look kind of suspicious. but didnt he make that post after liggy and frozen were arguing? if thats the case, then i think he's just setting the mood.

You dont have to make long posts for them to be effective. By pointing out ligolski's scummy traits, you are putting pressure on him to reveal himself and I like that. My vote stays on ligolski for now.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

wow frozen, control yourself pal its a game...but w/e onto more stuff...

I don't care if it's just a game, you're wasting my time and energy, I have every right to get frustrated with your constant use of circular arguing. Every single post you've made is more or less a rehash of your former post with a little twist of some sort. Besides, the point of games is to have fun, and the way you are posting definitely is hindering my ability to do that.

yes frozen, I have made you repeat your points...
a- it clarifies for everyone and me
b- it allows me to see if your arguments are consitant against me, which they have been

Atleast you admit you are making me repeat myself, and while I'll admit it seems your intentions are pure, the method itself is problematic. As you know, most of the people playing this game have disdain for long posts and drawn out debates. Therefore, the more you make me repeat myself, it actually WORSENS the situation because more people become discouraged from reading the arguments and resort to speedreading, or just omission altogether, which results in LESS understanding on their part. In a game with different players I can see this working but it's not appropriate here. As a matter of fact its destructive here.

the fact they have been consistant makes me believe you are in fact town and are making a mistake...
unvote: frozenflame751

I'm glad you think I'm town, and I woudl like to beleive the same about you, but unfortunately that isn't the case. Killing off active players obviously isn't something I like to do, but unfortunately you're more scummy than anyone else thus far.

as for the whole crappy post hing, you never answered my question, why was that one post "crappy", you seem to defend your little posts easily enough but yet you have yet to clarify why my one post was "crappy"...if my post was crap, then the posts I quoted from you must be crappy for sure...but according to you those posts were not crappy and by comparison my post isn't crap either...

YOU. SAID. IT. WAS. CRAPPY. ORIGINALLY. Orginally I didn't say it was crappy, I just used it against you because in it you quickly conceded to agentli and dropped your pursuit of commonyoshi. You tried to justify it by saying you didn't have time to read and make a fully substantial post since you were on vacation. Then I said it was YOUR fault for making that post. So stop trying to pin this all on me, it was YOU who argued it was a crappy post and should be disregarded, NOT ME.

hehe>you, among others

Wrong. At that point in time I wasn't inactive which you should have easily concluded based on the fact that you were able to QUOTE ME from that point in the game.

what I meant by that was the length of the post, not the amount of a post, I said this when I was figuring that your definition of a crap post meant short or something like that, and yet you have still yet to define that and make yourself clear...

It's not my fault that you were assumptuous and it's also not my fault that you failed to clarify what you meant by "posting more than everyone else."

NO...get it through your head that people have made the almost the exact same decisions/votes/arguments that I have...I mean throughout this game almost too...which means if I die, you will then lynch those people right? b/c if you don't then I hope someone gets you for being a hypocrit...

No, get it through your head that I'm saying you're a liar trying to shift blame off yourself and onto others. It's true that some people have acted similar to you in some respects but if I recall correctly no one has acted exactly like you. If you can go back to my orginal post and show my posts from someone else that proves they fit verbatum all the acts I've accused you of, then you can continue to argue that others are equally guilty, because rigth now I don't beleive for a second that that is true.

Exactly my point, there is always the chance that someone who seems scum is town, and that is what I am pleading you guys to see, I am town!

Yeah, there's a CHANCE that you are town, but it my eyes that chance is like .001%.

stfu, trust me that you have never suffered from a headache like I have so stuff it...that wasn't meant to be argumentative dip...

Wow ligolski control yourself pal it's just a game. =P Beleive it or not my quip wasn't supposed to be argumentative either, it was ADVICE to you so you can avoid headaches by preventing these massive post wars from even occuring, by not making people repeat themselves over and over.

hey something we actually agree on! MEGA QFT

Huzzah! Now if only they would listen to me...

So yeah, a message to all you people who don't feel like reading up, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO. By speed reading/omitting these posts you are skipping the meat of the game! You all joined knowing that mafia is a game that you can't just effortlessly walk through. I don't expect everyone to be making huge posts, but I DO expect you to honor the efforts ligolski and I have made by atleast reading and understanding our posts, because if you don't you are disrespecting us by asking for activity and then brushing it aside.

So please, don't be disrespectful.

 

[ligolski]

well, I don't feel like quoting right now but heres my thoughts...

the whole thing with others doing the same thing that I was, was me trying to prove a point, but I think its gotten lost now...I didn't say we "SHOULD" lynch those members...your pulling a strawman...I said what I said to prove a point...and latter/tomorrow I should have time to go back and look for the people who have done what I have done...though its impossible for people to fit "verbatum" into your arguments against me frozen, since you aimed those arguments at me, there is no possible way that this could happen...I could show you people who come pretty close though...its like what you said with absolute evidence...its impossible...

as for the repeating thing...I never thought it could be destructive...I never thought about it that way...so I'm sorry if I ended up confusing everyone, but I was trying to do something...

I never said my post was crappy, you inferred that...

Wow ligolski control yourself pal it's just a game.

>_>
<_<
rofl

and everyone should listen to frozens last paragragh cuz he's right...we put time and energy into this, and so should you...though we are on vacation...

 

[Jazzyswimmer]

I am back from vacation and trying to catch up on all of the posts, think you could make them a little shorter in the future

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

well, I don't feel like quoting right now but heres my thoughts...

the whole thing with others doing the same thing that I was, was me trying to prove a point, but I think its gotten lost now...I didn't say we "SHOULD" lynch those members...your pulling a strawman...I said what I said to prove a point...

Sure you did. Look:

NO...get it through your head that people have made the almost the exact same decisions/votes/arguments that I have...I mean throughout this game almost too...which means if I die, you will then lynch those people right? b/c if you don't then I hope someone gets you for being a hypocrit...

The bolded part is jsut another way of saying "if you lynch me for these reasons you shoudl lynch those other people too." And please, don't even try to throw some technical BS around like "I didn't say that verbatumzorz lolololol I'm not guilty weeeeeeee!" because what you said is just another way to word it.

and latter/tomorrow I should have time to go back and look for the people who have done what I have done...though its impossible for people to fit "verbatum" into your arguments against me frozen, since you aimed those arguments at me, there is no possible way that this could happen...I could show you people who come pretty close though...its like what you said with absolute evidence...its impossible...

Of course it's possible. According to you there are people who are guilty of doing everything I said you did making them equally suspicious. If this is true, shouldn't they fit into my description exactly if you just switch their name with ligolski?

as for the repeating thing...I never thought it could be destructive...I never thought about it that way...so I'm sorry if I ended up confusing everyone, but I was trying to do something...

Yeah like I said, it was good in theory, but bad in practice. Any other game I probably wouldn't mind as much.

I never said my post was crappy, you inferred that...

Like earlier, you didn't explicity say "that post was crappy" but by the way you described your situation
it was just another way of saying "that post shouldn't be considered because I was on vacation so any lapses in it are a result of that, not my fault", i.e. "that post is crappy because of vacation/time constraints/whatever"

Also, another note for everyone, just an FYI, each of those big posts is really only half as long as it seems, because if you actually read all of the posts, you don't need to read the quoted sections in the next post. Also, those posts are actually a lot bigger than they seem because of all the extra spacing in them and such. So yeah, just some words of encouragement. ^_^

 

[agentli]

excelent post. i agree 100% with you that by liggy asking for others to be lynched that is scummish. I doubt that there both town though. Frozenflame could be mafiaso, but then again so could liggy. I think one is town the other mafia. Therefore whoever we lych, imo, will tell the role of the other.

In regards to chill's story, yes frozen does look kind of suspicious. but didnt he make that post after liggy and frozen were arguing? if thats the case, then i think he's just setting the mood.

You dont have to make long posts for them to be effective. By pointing out ligolski's scummy traits, you are putting pressure on him to reveal himself and I like that. My vote stays on ligolski for now.

Seeing that they both know each other, the only reason they would probably be arguing right now is if they knew the other was mafia. If they were both town, they would be trying to help each other deduce the facts down to figure out who was mafia, instead of arguing. And seeing that frozen = angry, usually people aren't angry when they're attacked and really are mafia. They're usually angry when they are wrongly accused. The fact is, frozen was provoked first when he went inactive, and the idea that he isn't stopping the attacks on ligolski is probably due to the fact that frozen knows something that the rest of us may not know, and that may be that ligolski is really mafia.

 

[Deathreaver780]

I see ligolski as mafia scum while reading these arguments and stuff........Have I already done it??? if not whatever : vote: ligolski

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I actually don't mind all the long posts since it helps explain a few things and is sorta like training for me on how to argue. I'm just not good at posting that much unless I really had to I suppose.
But what agentli just said sounds true. If they know each other well, then they probably can read each other better and IMO frozen sounds a lot more confident in his claims and logical in his points.

 

[commonyoshi]

I swear I'll read everything tommorrow.

 

[ligolski]

ok lets start with Kujirudo ->

Vote: commonyoshi

he did that soon after common did his second sugestion of name claim...


and lance joins too...and lately he hasn't been real active fyi

Whatever common. Nobody who accused you did anything wrong. Ligolski is not wrong for being suspicious of you.

Here's a better plan.
vote: commonyoshi

Let's vote common and get this thing rolling, it's been day 2 for way too long.

o and I found this too...thats kind of suspicious...>_> (this was from lance)

Allright, you still arent defending yourself at all, in fact you arent even really saying that you realize you are wrong, which you are, so:
voteommon

hey, look...ronike joins in too! lets have a party...

and now jazzyswimmer joined in...

I am sorry about being inactive but i did mention in post a little while ago that i have been pretty busy lately.

Anyway, to me all of this starting with the name claim on your part seemed really sketchy and with all of the posts against you, it was just putting you in a deeper hole and you waited so long to try and dig yourself out.

To me it seemed like you waited a little to long for that.

vote: Commonyoshi

ok on to the next part...

Approve: 5
Ronike
Camo-man
Arkengate
Commonyoshi
DiamondFalcon

agentli posted this about his plan...

lance went on to approve...

/approve

agent why arent you on the list?

and then kujirudo joins in too...

Sounds good agent, you are the hero of saving me of boredom. I'm with you.
A sidenote, I'm going to my dad tomorrow, but I don't know if the internet is working at his new home yet. I'm not sure if he has, so please excuse me if I'm not active from tomorrow untill Sunday.

that only exempts then from the first part: jazzyswimmer who did not go on to post at all about the plan...

there you go people who have done the same actions as me

The bolded part is jsut another way of saying "if you lynch me for these reasons you shoudl lynch those other people too." And please, don't even try to throw some technical BS around like "I didn't say that verbatumzorz lolololol I'm not guilty weeeeeeee!" because what you said is just another way to word it.

I was trying to make apoint, that point has to do with the people above me...

of coarse knowing you, you are now going to tell me i am trying to divert attention away from myself and that means I am mafia...but I'm not, just proving a point

after going back looking for those posts I also noticed that Kujirudo jumped sides to the winning side very often...as for the others, there wasn't much there to really get anything from...

and now I see I am wihtin two random bandwagonning, mindless votes from dieing and I must do the inevitable...because knowing who is left who hasn't voted makes me worry I won't get in any last thoughts... I am Merlin and I have a 50% chance of using my magic trident to roleblock someone...it didn't work last night unfortunately...

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

there you go people who have done the same actions as me

I was trying to make apoint, that point has to do with the people above me...

of coarse knowing you, you are now going to tell me i am trying to divert attention away from myself and that means I am mafia...but I'm not, just proving a point

after going back looking for those posts I also noticed that Kujirudo jumped sides to the winning side very often...as for the others, there wasn't much there to really get anything from...

and now I see I am wihtin two random bandwagonning, mindless votes from dieing and I must do the inevitable...because knowing who is left who hasn't voted makes me worry I won't get in any last thoughts... I am Merlin and I have a 50% chance of using my magic trident to roleblock someone...it didn't work last night unfortunately...

Alright a few things:

1.) Regardless of whether you say you are trying to divert attention or not, it really seemed that way, so you really can't altogether eliminate that suspicion.

2.) You did a nice job of bringing some specific examples to the table of how people have acted similar to you, and I agree with most of the stuff you posted here. There is just one major problem; all of those people acted very similar to you but failed to match my second paragraph in my orginal post. THAT is what sets you apart from everyone else. Recall that in my orginal post I did say I was suspicious of nearly all those people, but I had to find one thing that set one of you apart from the rest. So yeah, a bunch of people are extremely close to matching your actions, but none are an exact fit.

3.) I don't beleive your claim. Isn't Merlin supposed to be a wizard of sorts? Why would he have a trident? Sounds strange to me.

 

[ligolski]

sorry my faimly was watching the little mermaid and that poped into my head, I meant staff
sorry about that

 

[ligolski]

2.) You did a nice job of bringing some specific examples to the table of how people have acted similar to you, and I agree with most of the stuff you posted here. There is just one major problem; all of those people acted very similar to you but failed to match my second paragraph in my orginal post. THAT is what sets you apart from everyone else. Recall that in my orginal post I did say I was suspicious of nearly all those people, but I had to find one thing that set one of you apart from the rest. So yeah, a bunch of people are extremely close to matching your actions, but none are an exact fit.

true, but I singled you out because I know your play style and that you are usually very active when town and lurk when you are mafia/independant...

Isn't Merlin supposed to be a wizard of sorts? Why would he have a trident? Sounds strange to me.

stupid mistake on my part...**** subliminal messaging...erk
I really don't feel like going into the whole subconscious doing weird things when your doing something thing...yea...

 

[agentli]

ok lets start with Kujirudo ->


he did that soon after common did his second sugestion of name claim...

Let's start with the activity of Day 2:

1)Kuji FOS's Common
2)Ligolski votes Common
3)Ronike FOS's Common, reasoning

Better than lynching someone bc of a stupid vote. I allow people to defend themselves before I vote them.

4)Common then refuses to defend herself.
5)Jazzyswimmer FOS's Common
6)After refusing to defend herself, Kujirudo places a Vote on Common

So from that view, actually Kuji allowed Common to defend herself, or at least a chance to, before actually voting her.

and lance joins too...and lately he hasn't been real active fyi.

I have no defense for lance. He did join in without reasoning himself. Well, except this:

Does everyone remember that it was common and agentli going after a name claim fairly early?

I forgot all about it. Common claimed and the Agentli started a list and tried to urge people to claim. My bet is that if common is scum then so is agentli.

Let's vote common and get this thing rolling, it's been day 2 for way too long.

Personally, I know I'm town, but everyone's entitled to his or her opinion.

o and I found this too...thats kind of suspicious...>_> (this was from lance)

Let's vote common and get this thing rolling, it's been day 2 for way too long.

QFT. I guess it's suspicious, but you're suspicious yourself too.

hey, look...ronike joins in too! lets have a party...

The difference is that Ronike only joins in after Common refused to defend herself a second time. Big difference. You voted right from the beginning.

Moving on to the plan:

Lance87 did approve immediately, yes, I have nothing to say to that, you are correct ligolski.

Kujirudo voted yes only to stop his boredom, as stated. I think we were all a little bored at that point.

I think Frozenflame751 covered the rest.

 

[ligolski]

all your post has to do with is FOS vs. voting...frozens last point about this is the way I role...it doesn't matter, they still voted eventually...basically following me

 

[agentli]

They, however, reasonably gave commonyoshi the chance to post a defense first without the pressure of the vote. True votes can be taken off, but it hold a lot more weight than an FoS.

 

[ligolski]

exactly, fos's are almost useless for pressure...voting puts more pressure and common even agreed with what I did...

 

[camo-man]

Freudiane slip .... or true mistake? Me not know, you decide. :O

(Personally, me thinks Freudiane slip)

 

[Ronike]

Alright Im back and after skimming (no patience to read those massive posts) I see lig is throwing suspiscions everywhere to try and save himself. Its way different than what he usually does and Im convinced he could be lying about his role as there are many, many other abilities it seems to me that merlin would have from ingame, not just roleblocking. So
vote: ligolski
The townie ligolski also wouldn't throw suspiscions on me now for voting on common when he was the main encourager of lynching common.

 

[ligolski]

I'm not actually trying to get you guys lynched, though you all interpret it that way, I was trying to show that frozen himself ignored other people that did the same things I did, minus the whole I looked at when he was on which I recently explained...

as for ronike...I don't know what to say, but thats what my role says I roleblock, remember even though it may seem some deserve lots of power the game has to be kept balanced and maybe thats why all I can do is roleblock...

and camo...um...how is that a freudian slip dude...???