King Dedede versus Mario.

[Matt07]

Hello, King Dedede mains.

We are currently doing King Dedede for our weekly character discussion thread, and all information is helpful for both your's and our character match-up threads.

Here is the link;
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174907

Happy posting .

 

[J4pu]

DDD infinites Mario
DDD has a great edge-guarding game and Mario's recovery is sub-par
75-25 DDD at least

 

[R!S3]

DDD infinites Mario
DDD has a great edge-guarding game and Mario's recovery is sub-par
75-25 DDD at least

agreed...

75/25 in DDD's favor

 

[Drecker]

75/25? Easily 85/15, one grab means an instant kill : /.

 

[Ray/Boshi]

Haha. I guess you mean a stand in place CG. Can you post a vid on that? I'd be curious. I seen it done to Luigi slightly. If so, yeah, Mario's screwed. But if you mean a Dthrow CG, then it aint no 85/15 ratio.

 

[Matt07]

King Dedede can do the same thing, a standing infinite to Mario. I have seen a video before but, I forget where, it's on Youtube

 

[Ray/Boshi]

Things arent looking so bright for Mr. Nintendo. I've never been in a standing infinite as Mario though.

 

[Matt07]

Same here, but I only played on WiFi, so that would explain the timing is probably near impossible online.

 

[Piginabag]

Go play a good mario.
He has some annoying fireball **** going on, and can cover a lot of space and set up combos.
His aerials are pretty fast. Bair and Nair> all of Dedede's (besides Bair).
He's a really small target.
His edgegaurd is PERFECT for Dedede's Up b, the water and the cape both work.

I'd say 65-35, Dedede's favor.

 

[J4pu]

His edgegaurd is PERFECT for Dedede's Up b, the water and the cape both work.

this is why i didnt say anything worse than 75-25, but DDD's multiple jumps lessen the significance of this

 

[JST]

DDD's infinite doesn't work until like 50-100, depending on how good Mario is getting out of grabs. Still though, DDD still has a sort of 'extended chaingrab' on Mario - a guaranteed 5 standing downthrows followed by a regular chaingrab still deals an alarming amount of damage.

Also, piginabag has some good points about Mario. Mario can really do a number on D3 if he gets a hit in. Mario also edgeguards D3 perfectly. Although one thing he didn't mention is that D3's range+redonkolous shield-grab can shut out Mario pretty good. On top of that, D3 is really heavy, and Mario will have to save that fsmash/dsmash. D3 will be killing Mario much earlier than mario will be killing D3.

7:3 or maybe 75:25 D3 sounds good to me.

 

[HeroMystic]

It's 70:30.

 

[hippiedude92]

Go play a good mario.
He has some annoying fireball **** going on, and can cover a lot of space and set up combos.
His aerials are pretty fast. Bair and Nair> all of Dedede's (besides Bair).
He's a really small target.
His edgegaurd is PERFECT for Dedede's Up b, the water and the cape both work.

I'd say 65-35, Dedede's favor.

Yes I am that good Mario from Neoseeker :] (Btw this is checkmate from neoseeker lol) (sorry for bumping 2 day thread =D

 

[Drecker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23UyrHXK36A&feature=related

Infinite for those wondering.

 

[Pdiamond]

i'd have to 60-40 in Dedede's favor. if dedede can wall of pain mario off the edge he is pretty much dead but mario has some quick attacks and air combos.

 

[HeroMystic]

The WoP isn't much of a problem at all, honestly.

 

[A2ZOMG]

My question is what if the infinite is banned? I honestly don't think it's worse than 7/3 from there.

I'll point out Mario isn't exactly easy to edgeguard since he does get pretty good distance from his double jump, and his Up-B is hard to intercept due to speed, priority, and invul frames on startup (which do make it very good out of shield too btw).

 

[HeroMystic]

If the Infinite was banned (which it won't be, from my analysis), it'd be no worse than 60/40 DDD. Could be less if we Marios perfect this match-up.

 

[NeverKnowsBest]

i'd have to 60-40 in Dedede's favor. if dedede can wall of pain mario off the edge he is pretty much dead but mario has some quick attacks and air combos.

Not even. 75-25 hands down.

The infinite destroys Mario.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Yeah, but sometimes the infinite is banned. So what then?

 

[HeroMystic]

It doesn't really change the match-up anyways. The entire point is to not get grabbed in the first place. Chaingrab/Infinite or not, DDD has the best grabs in the game. The infinite really only emphasizes the fact to not get grabbed.

Besides, if you think a Mario is going to walk up and say "Hey grab me!", you're severely mistaken.

I'll say again that this is a 70:30.

 

[Pdiamond]

here's a friend and i brawling about a month ago. you be the judge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3tF__yZjrw (watch in high quality)

 

[Buuman]

I'm not rating this matchup cause its just stupid...without a grab this would be in marios favor. A key thing you mario players have to stress is get D3 in the air, especially at low percents, begin the comboing in the beginning cause at the higher percents it will become a camp and "wait to see who screws up first*.

Mario has the insane combo ability. ABUSE it, especially against the larger characters