KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Vinylic.]

Well I mean, it wasn't anything like that. It was just a stream for a tournement, which actually didn't happen when I thought it woul
And has only been asking people if they want to give out a few tips that doesn't have anything to do with a character.

"Stop rolling so much" and stuff like that.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Well I mean, it wasn't anything like that. It was just a stream for a tournement, which actually didn't happen when I thought it woul
And has only been asking people if they want to give out a few tips that doesn't have anything to do with a character.

"Stop rolling so much" and stuff like that.

Well, are there any videos of your current Kirby up (Preferably offline. Good Kirby play requires precise spacing which is hard/impossible to do on Wi-Fi depending on the connection, I couldn't critique you based on your Kirby on Wi-Fi.)? If so, I can try to give you advice. I'm always willing to help other Kirbys out however I can. :D

Btw, MikeKirby if you're reading this, I was watching some matches from Uprise and according to the commentary you beat Inui at another tournament. Good stuff! Just wondering, does he still spotdodge after getting grab released and if so, did you grab release f-smash him? LOL

 

[Wumbo105]

Well I mean, it wasn't anything like that. It was just a stream for a tournement, which actually didn't happen when I thought it woul
And has only been asking people if they want to give out a few tips that doesn't have anything to do with a character.

"Stop rolling so much" and stuff like that.

Yes, we know what you were trying to do, no need to repeat it. The aforementioned advice of staying in thethe boards which you belong still applies.

 

[falln]

on a side note, i completely realize everything ive been doing wrong (specifically vs mk, but also things as a player)

the moment my finals are over im going to be dumping so much time into this game practicing what i need to practice and not messing up the slightest technical point and you'll see me do very very well at whobo

 

[MikeKirby]

MikeKirby if you're reading this, I was watching some matches from Uprise and according to the commentary you beat Inui at another tournament. Good stuff! Just wondering, does he still spotdodge after getting grab released and if so, did you grab release f-smash him? LOL

Aw boy, I know which video you heard that in! Haha!

He did have a habit of spot-dodging on reaction but he didn't do it after a grab-release like I had hoped. I tried to 3 stock him like Chu but I had to settle with a JV2. Good enough.

On his defense, he totally underestimated me by going Peach first game. I've had plenty on Peach exp here in the city.

I also got mm challenged by Iko n (Bleach igo's bro?) at that tourney and beat his IC's and MK. It sucks I end up playing on unhacked wiis all the time.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

Spotdodge habit eh? Now I think I'm gonna have fun if I ever meet Inui in bracket. ;D

Btw guys, on a side note, can any of you give me tips for applying safe pressure with Kirby? It's what I do with MK as well as space. I know how to space safely with Kirby, but I don't know how to pressure with Kirby, so even if I'm spacing, I'm not getting any hits. This is the main reason I feel like I'm using MK lately, cause I feel like I can hit with him and and I can't with Kirby. But if I learned pressure with Kirby, I believe my Kirby would be on-par with my MK. MikeKirby, I remember seeing you do some fair pressure in your match with Chibo, so if you could explain how it worked, that'd be great (too tired to re-watch it... Even though I woke up at like 6 PM today, LOL.)

Not even gonna lie... I don't like maining MK. I love Kirby more than pretty much anything but... It seems I hate losing more than I love Kirby considering I choose to go MK when I'm unconfident in my Kirby. If you also can, could you guys tell me what motivates you to stay with Kirby and not drop him or sellout to high/top tier characters such as MK like I have? I REALLY REALLY want to main Kirby. I'll still probably use MK for obscure low tier MUs such as Ike, Ganon or something that aren't common enough to be worth learning as Kirby or Olimar and ICs, but I wanna use Kirby for the majority of the cast.

 

[Vinylic.]

Hey guys, posting this in a freezing cold mcdonalds for my Kirby profile update. Put this pic on.

Yes, I know, "wtf vinyl, is that you?", But i'll get a better one when I regrow my cool hair out.

As for tips, trick them into thinking that you're gonna do a fastfall bair and grab them.
Don't do dair in front of someone, he or she will shield grab. It's best to do dair when behind the opponent's grab range.
Keep bairing and fairing (when they tend to shield).
Pivot grab more often.

Um........copy the opponent's abilities too. They'll help you.

 

[WindMajor]

Vinyl that is the worst picture.

 

[~automatic]

Twinkie said it, not me.

the moment my finals are over im going to be dumping so much time into this game practicing what i need to practice and not messing up the slightest technical point and you'll see me do very very well at whobo

Are you going to Champion?

 

[falln]

Btw guys, on a side note, can any of you give me tips for applying safe pressure with Kirby? It's what I do with MK as well as space. I know how to space safely with Kirby, but I don't know how to pressure with Kirby, so even if I'm spacing, I'm not getting any hits. This is the main reason I feel like I'm using MK lately, cause I feel like I can hit with him and and I can't with Kirby. But if I learned pressure with Kirby, I believe my Kirby would be on-par with my MK. MikeKirby, I remember seeing you do some fair pressure in your match with Chibo, so if you could explain how it worked, that'd be great (too tired to re-watch it... Even though I woke up at like 6 PM today, LOL.)

Not even gonna lie... I don't like maining MK. I love Kirby more than pretty much anything but... It seems I hate losing more than I love Kirby considering I choose to go MK when I'm unconfident in my Kirby. If you also can, could you guys tell me what motivates you to stay with Kirby and not drop him or sellout to high/top tier characters such as MK like I have? I REALLY REALLY want to main Kirby. I'll still probably use MK for obscure low tier MUs such as Ike, Ganon or something that aren't common enough to be worth learning as Kirby or Olimar and ICs, but I wanna use Kirby for the majority of the cast.

generally you can just hover by someone and get them to do something because at any point you could drop for a bair. its slightly more baiting than raw shield pressure that mk can do safely but we cant all be meta knight.

Are you going to Champion?

nope. once im done with finals im going on vacation in the US virgin islands for 2 weeks, then going up to norcal for the summer

 

[MikeKirby]

I can tell you really do like Kirby by the music on your Wii, Kawaii, haha!

I used F-air against Ch ibo because I recall him spot-dodging often game 1 and F-air's multiple hits can punish that. Although, he corrected that for the most part game 2.

Anyway, Meta Knight creates pressure simply by pushing you towards the blast-zone with his simple tools, without going punished for the majority of them. Unfortunately this is something Kirby can't do, or at least not as affective—but hey, that's Meta Knight for ya!

To pressure someone you have to create situations where you put your opponent in a position with very few options whilst you have an answer to most or all of theirs. Such as when they are forced to the edge of a stage or trying to land without a mid-air jump.

Kirby does really well when he can launch his opponent up, which a lot of his attacks and grabs do. I feel that this is one of Kirby's best positions; opponent up and Kirby underneath. This is where you can create pressure. Simply by keeping your opponent off the ground and punishing their attempts to land, while mixing up the timing of your juggles, you can net a real nice percent lead or even a KO if you can read an air dodge and punish with a hammer.

Kirby thrives on reads and it's a Kirby player's biggest virtue. Whereas Meta Knight can continuously throw out moves while still catching someone on their vulnerable frames.

That's just a simple thought of mine and wanted to share with you since you asked Kawaii. I'd say a few more examples or would be a bit more specific but zzzzzz...

 

[Wumbo105]

There is literally nothing I would say that hasn't been said already. Falln and Mike pretty much covered it all. Try playing Kirby with a "bait n punish" type of style, as they said. If I've sait it once, I've sad it a thousand times: Kirby is a reactive character, not proactive...moreso than most of the cast.

Edit: Vinyl you must have dyed your hair since last time I saw you lol. wtf.

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

I see. But I still want a solid approaching/spacing game with Kirby, of course I want to make reads when spacing too, but I can't just be an all bait type of player. Cause an all-bait playstyle will only get you so far. Once your opponent figures out your baits they can just be like "I'm not that dumb, not falling for it anymore.", which is why I need a pressure game so I can force my opponent to do what I want instead of baiting it and hope they fall for it. Thanks for the advice though MikeKirby and Falln, I will use those to better my Kirby game! :D

Speaking of baits....

If you haven't seen it yet, Kirby can bait MK into Up-Bing and Hammer MK out of it! I used to try to do Stone, but Stone starts up slow, so the Hammer is worth it since the trade won't kill you unless you're REALLY high in percent.

Chu did it to M2K and it was the most hype thing I saw last tourney. O.o And for me to say something being done to M2K (my all time favorite player) is hype says A LOT. It was a basic bait when you think about it, but sooooooooooooooooooooooo good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2UOoClpmg 12:25

 

[Vinylic.]

Edit: Vinyl you must have dyed your hair since last time I saw you lol. wtf.

Lolno, mom dyed my hair without me noticing.

I was on the computer watching anime and she came behind my and started putting that stuff on me after I told here that I didn't want my hair blonde. And hr reason is because she saw hair blonde when I was born.

That made me mad, but right now, I'm having some second thoughts. That happend like, in 2010 or last year.

 

[John2k4]

Wait, objection.

Do you have a computer? I thought you just had one of those iPad things.

If I had known you had a computer I'd have invited you to OMGPOP last night. =P

 

[Vinylic.]

That happend like, in 2010 or last year.

I had a computer.

Today, My sis has one and mom has one too, but no one doesn't even want me to use it. So iPad is the only thing I use as of this moment.

 

[MikeKirby]

Speaking of baits....

If you haven't seen it yet, Kirby can bait MK into Up-Bing and Hammer MK out of it! I used to try to do Stone, but Stone starts up slow, so the Hammer is worth it since the trade won't kill you unless you're REALLY high in percent.

Chu did it to M2K and it was the most hype thing I saw last tourney. O.o And for me to say something being done to M2K (my all time favorite player) is hype says A LOT. It was a basic bait when you think about it, but sooooooooooooooooooooooo good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2UOoClpmg 12:25

Hahaha! Best stall then fall I've seen yet! I wonder if Chu was intentionally going for that. He probably just wanted to do a b-reversal to mix-up his landing and well, that happend. Hey, you learn something new everyday!

Landing against MK is really annoying...
>____<

Also, Kawaii, you went IC's against Chu?? Son, I am disappoint.

 

[falln]

Chu did it to M2K and it was the most hype thing I saw last tourney. O.o And for me to say something being done to M2K (my all time favorite player) is hype says A LOT. It was a basic bait when you think about it, but sooooooooooooooooooooooo good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2UOoClpmg 12:25

that was a rough set to sit through :\

i think it was more of a read than a bait but regardless the hammer was definitely pretty sexy.

fd is an interesting choice for counterpicking mk. i prefer battlefield because it gives you more recovery options and more reliable kill power when mk sits on a high percent but i guess for chu's playstyle it's better to have more room to work with

 

[Kawaii Poyo]

I kinda feel like it was a bait cause I feel like Chu wanted M2K to do the Shuttle Loop, otherwise, he probably would've tried to take more time to land, since the stage was FD after all and FD has a lot of space to mix-up your landings with. I could ask Chu next time I see him though. XD

And yeah, MikeKirby, that was the dumbest thing I've ever probably done in tourney. Good news is PS (Logic) told me that me trying ICs vs Chu is the reason he tried his ICs vs Chu, so in a way, I gave Chu a free game vs PS. ;D

I'll probably go all MK next time I play Chu, I don't think I'll ever beat him in the ditto. Unless I get a loooooooooooooooooooooot of practice in the match-up.

 

[falln]

kirby ditto flow chart
shield attack -> punish oos with same attack

high level kirby dittos are a lot of fun sometimes. me and mogx had a pretty long kirby ditto session in the san diego room at genesis 2

 

[Kewkky]

Vinyl if I could infract any post I wanted and get away with it, I'd slam your picture post with inappropriate content. That kitty face... :I

 

[Vinylic.]

I know, it's that bad, lol.

What's good news is that you have the decision to put that pic on my Kirby profile from the op or not.....and when that's done, i'll just remove it.
It's killing the quality on this page, rofl.

 

[Wumbo105]

kirby ditto flow chart
shield attack -> punish oos with same attack.

Yeap. I agree they're fun, but I get annoyed/tired of it within an hour or so of somebody using the same character as me.

 

[Luco]

How you're going to pressure me into watching your videos is beyond me. Do you have a knife and a grip on my t-shirt which both go through computer monitors?

It's just a little weird for "hey here are my Character X videos" to pop up far away from Character X's forum. You get seen as a spammer, and it doesn't help if you aren't a staple of that board (I don't know if you are but it seems from prior discussion as though you aren't).

Edit: post-resolution post is post-resolution.

Ahh, do you mean me?

Yeah, I came here originally to post a question on kirby, but ended up staying because the discussion was nice. I post my videos for you guys to watch if you want to, I don't ask you to critique it, I guess that's what I mean by pressuring.

But yeah I don't mean to spam. ^^

Btw, on a completely off-topic note, I just noticed MikeKirby's signature and it reminded me of the kirby TV show. Did anyone see the last episode of that? I wanted to know what happened in it but I missed it in the end.

 

[t!MmY]

Chu did it to M2K and it was the most hype thing I saw last tourney. O.o And for me to say something being done to M2K (my all time favorite player) is hype says A LOT. It was a basic bait when you think about it, but sooooooooooooooooooooooo good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ2UOoClpmg 12:25

That didn't look like a bait or a read to me. The reason I say that is because one does not 'bait' Shuttle Loop when above Meta Knight: you either predict the Shuttle Loop or you're going to play safe. It looked like Chu was using Hammer for the aerial mobility; M2K just Shuttle Looped at the wrong time.

If you predict a Shuttle Loop, use Stone because Hammer only has a 2-frame duration on it's active HitBox making the timing very unlikely. Even at that, Stone is exceptionally risky vs Shuttle Loop because of it's huge start-up, so I only use it in Doubles (or against players that leave themselves exceptionally open to the attack).

I was experimenting with N-air against Shuttle Loop because it has a long duration (active for 24 frames), but only the sweetspot is any good and that only has a 1-frame duration. :\

 

[falln]

@t1mmy: i disagree
m2k had been SL at the same height pretty much every time throughout the set, and hammer doesnt save you from landing vs mk in a situation like that because the rco lag kirby gets from hammer is bonkers.

im pretty sure the hammer was intentional to hit the sl lol

 

[Vinylic.]

Yo.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6653553&postcount=2

We're gonna need more of this.

 

[falln]

LOL counterpick to port town

pretty sure kirby beats everyone except mk on that stage

 

[~automatic]

Yo.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6653553&postcount=2
We're gonna need more of this.

> Thread from '09.
For starters you might want to update the legal stages on that thread. Eeeyup; update those legal stages.

 

[Vinylic.]

Exactly. Gotta get back on this stuff, lol.

Idk when, Idk how, but we need to get this stuff back.
And possibly make new MU discussions.

 

[t!MmY]

Funny how those stages were still being used in 2009 when everyone knew how bogus they were. Wait, their bogusaucity was probably why people kept using them. XD

@Kewkky
Yeah, I can see how Chu could have predicted the Shuttle Loop because of Mew2King's patterns (he's a pretty pattern-based player). But like I was saying, the active hitbox is 2 frames which makes the timing against Shuttle Loop exceptionally difficult.

I think what makes Chu's use of Hammer against that Shuttle Loop so hype was all because of the difficulty of the timing and the huge risk factor behind it. Yes, it was risky because if Chu could reliably punish Shuttle Loop with Hammer, then he'd have been able to punish all those Tornadoes he got caught in as well. (Mach Tornado has more than twice the start-up of Shuttle Loop and travels much more slowly). Yes, Hammer's disjoint can hit through Tornado, it's just hard to space/time.

 

[Wumbo105]

We had a pretty lengthy discussion about the Diddy matchup (and a little bit about Wario, but whatever) and we actually ended up agreeing on it at the end surprisingly. The only aad part is that nothing has been updated to include that discussion.

 

[Vinylic.]

This brawl mod looks hella fun to try out, lol.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297669

But it's pretty dead, so blah.

 

[Kmatt]

This brawl mod looks hella fun to try out, lol.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297669

But it's pretty dead, so blah.

Such is the problem with using static .gif pictures with white color in them.

 

[Wumbo105]

Such is the problem with using static .gif pictures with white color in them.

It ain't even a .gif tho.

 

[~automatic]

PNG= transparency
GIF=animation

 

[Kmatt]

PNG= transparency
GIF=animation

Static .gifs (no animation) have transparency too (like the pedobear one I've used a few times).

Though clicking on the picture, it appears to actually be that color on purpose. More investigations needed.

Never mind, just a harmless .png, false alarm.

 

[MikeKirby]

I did it... I made a promise to beat Ch3 3s3 the next time we met in brackets and kept my word!! So proud of myself!

 

[Wumbo105]

Lol that dude is slowly reverting back to being a random.
Good job tho Mike, any ICs is a challenge.

 

[t!MmY]

This brawl mod looks hella fun to try out, lol.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297669

That looks like an awesome joke to pull on everyone for April Fools. XD
I would highly suggest using this stage hack along with it.

I did it... I made a promise to beat Ch33s3 the next time we met in brackets and kept my word!!

Congrats. Take that ICs.