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you realize youtube has a slow-down feature, right?@Kadano
What happens here with this up-air I do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhs2mJhNpgs&t=31s
Here it is slowed down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk0zuYh--PU
It looks like I get pushed off by Sheik then upair and land back on the platform some how
Thanks for any insight
Nope, where is it?
I think it's best not to DI the uthrow because getting hit by the lasers from the throw is better than being in pure stun.
DI is the act of changing your KB trajectory. After you tech and slide off, holding up or down would have no effect while holding in or away would have minimal effect (the same effect you see when you drift back towards the stage after surviving a KO move). The only ways you can make it easier to survive after ground techs is to:
It is dependent on the character's weight, but the lasers hitting is usually the only way Falco can true combo from uthrow. If you look at a character like Peach, you can never uthrow bair/uair her if she DIs behind. I think Marth might be the same way, but because he is so much worse at aerial trading than Peach, the direction you DI seems to matter more than whether you get hit by lasers or not. Falco can bair from below in most scenarios unless you get a read on his timing and counter, or if you're high enough to DJ away.
I was investigating this question myself and here is what I can definitively tell you:
Kadano
, at what percent does the Sakurai angle kick in for Fox and Falco? Is an fsmash before this threshold more effective due to the lower trajectory? Should Marths really be going for the highest % tipper they can attain?]
Yes, but it is hardly ever a good choice in my opinion. Like @ 1 1MachGO wrote, it is much weaker than tipper fsmash, and when their percentages are too high for that, you can go for either a second-hit-only nair instead (which has almost as much knockback, see the graph at the end of post #2, and considerably less lag for better followups or edgeguarding), or fair strings to dair, fsmash or up-B.
Strong Badam
: Concerning Sakurai angle, see http://www.ssbwiki.com/Sakurai_angle.https://www.youtube.com/html5
Not yet, but I’ll add it to my note of the 100 things I want to explain / explore for Marth.
They don’t. I said that nair has almost as much knockback as up-B – approximately 80%. Nair has 50 BKB, up-B 80. But of course, you can always find that information on ssbwiki.com or in Toomai’s hitbox collection.
Wait what? Tipper fsmash does like 20 doesn't it? That's 10 frames of shield stun. If you are hit on platform, the fsmash hits you early, on frame 10 or 11 at most probably. The IASA of fsmash is 48, so you have at least 26 frames to punish him before he can shield. I think that should be enough time for puff to drop low enough to be able to hit the rest. I don't know for sure though, it's probably hard to pull off.
Fsmash also has pushback which would create more distance
I've always thought tippers were impossible to punish with WD OoS -> grab when you were on the ground, so I guess I've been underestimating how much lag it has. I will say that I sort of just assumed it was impossible because I've never been able to do it in practice, but I probably have never been spaced directly above Marth so that it's possible to shield drop into his hurtbox. Most tips on shield tend to be spaced at least a little, and it can be hard to get enough drift to land the rest without DJing into them (which adds a significant amount of time).
Ohsm
I just practiced shielddrop resting marths tipper fsmashes, and I was surprised how easy it is. Every time I got the drop, I also hit the rest, and my opponent was buffering shield. I think you can even shielddrop rest utilt unless the marth buffers a shield.
Bones0
Fair enough, I didn't think it would be even possible before actually looking into the numbers. It's a bit surprising that the shieldstun difference is only 4 frames. It's quite small when you compare that to the 36-38 frames of end lag, and the reason why tippers fsmash is so much harder to punish is mostly because of spacing and increased shield pushback.nice to hear that, 20XX puff stuff@
thanks :D
Yes, like @ T tauKhan mentioned, this is quite easily possible. I counted as much as 13 frames leniency for a fresh tipper fsmash.
I went through the registration process. Y’know, like here on smashboards, or pretty much any other website on the internet for that matter.@
Interesting, does Paypal and/or Patreon take percentages out of people's donations?
Yes, see the FAQ on their site. Creators should receive ~90% of the money sent by the patrons. I didn’t receive any yet, though.
Does Paypal take anything out, you have it linked to a paypal right? Is your Paypal linked to a bank account/credit card?
If you use Chrome, I highly recommend downloading the GIF Scrubber extension. You can play GIFs at various speeds and frame by frame just by right clicking them. You can even explode the GIF to view each frame simultaneously.how long is the cooldown on marth's neutral B? it's not on SDM's frame data list
edit: nvm i have the 20XX hack pack it's 24 frames
It depends on spacing and percent. At low percents, you can't get a dropzone aerial out before they DJ aerial into you, especially not from dthrow which has more cooldown. You might be able to get it at higher percents, but I doubt you can get it before they go far enough to just DI away and avoid that anyway. Falco's DJ sweetspot is so hard that you should probably just try to dtilt him if he goes too low to DJ aerial back on. With Fox, I tend to just do a late fair so the hitbox goes below the ledge. The only thing dropzone fair covers is really shine stall or not-good-enough-DI into DJ back, both of which can be dealt with safer options that aren't at risk of getting you DJ daired.
i think i have the image sitting around on one of my comps, if he doesn't reupload, PM me and i'll find it
lololol. That’s what I uploaded. We were talking about Marth’s and Mario Bros’ angles.
ooooooooooooh. that one i don't have downloadedlololol. That’s what I uploaded. We were talking about Marth’s and Mario Bros’ angles.
