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Data Kadano's perfect Marth class -- advanced frame data application

Discussion in 'Marth' started by Kadano, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Decipio-Carmen

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    Smash Apprentice

    Apr 2, 2010
    Are the Marth u-throw u-tilt percents on Sheik (linked in the OP) done with Marth as P1 and Sheik P2? If so, does that mean if Marth is P4 Sheik can't escape at 13% and 21%?
  2. Anagarm

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    Smash Rookie

    Dec 5, 2012
    I am sorry if this has been answered before but I cant seem to find an answer anywhere.

    Here is Marth's Nair frame data:

    Total: 49
    Hit: 6-7, 15-21
    Auto cancel: <5 25>
    Landlag: 15
    Lcanceled: 7

    Here is Marth's short hop frame data:

    SH air time: 38
    Earliest FF: 20
    SH FF air time: 26

    From this you can see that if Marth short hops but begins is nair on the first airborne frame, he can fast fall on the first possible frame and still be able to auto cancel the nair because he will have been airborne for 26 frames, which is the minimum number of frames needed to reach the autocancel window.

    My question is, how is this possible considering instant gravity? Wouldn't performing the nair on the first available frame after jumping cause Marth to not short hop as high and thus not be able to reach the necessary 26 frames needed to autocancel the aerial? Is it even possible to perform a true sh rising autocancel nair?
  3. ridemyboat

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    Smash Apprentice

    Aug 13, 2015
    He's in the air less one frame less if he starts his nair immediately, but the auto cancel is 25 or more inclusive.

    Edit: The first number is also inclusive. 5 or less autocancels.

    These are also easy things to check in 20XX 4.06. You can turn on an autocancel overlay.

    And yes, it's a two frame window for starting the nair if you fastfall on the earliest frame, and extremely possible to do a rising autocancel nair.
    #1763 ridemyboat, May 24, 2017 at 12:30 AM
    Last edited: May 24, 2017 at 12:34 AM

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