The up-b starts forward, then 1 or 2 frames into the move it sees if I have my control stick pointed to the left and reverses it?
That’s the idea, yes. For Falcon, the control stick is read at frame 13, though, not as early as 1 or 2.
Same for B-turnaround Falcon kick? Does Side-b work like nB or can in theory you do a forward side-b then the 1 frame later thing register the other direction and have it be reversed?
Down-B can’t be reversed in Melee, except if the subaction itself provides a turnaround (shine for example). Side-B direction depends only on whether you hit the left or the right red area in the IO maps.
kadano, do you know the input windows for getting SH double fairs?
and anyone have any general advice on how to do them while retreating (and in general)?
it's pretty much the only tech in the game left that I can't do for the life of me (SHDL, shine grab, hell double shine grab with falco when I'm confident, near perfect ledge dashes, super low/flat ledge hop lasers with falco, shield drops easy). I been asking about this since I joined the forum.
still can't do it at all :x
Short hop total air time for instant gravity (fair done on the first possible frame): 36
Short hop total air time for
Jump 0 included (fair done at least one frame later than possible): 38
Amount of frames left starting after
AttackAirF 29 (all frames beyond this one are interruptible):
Instant gravity: 7 (= 36−29)
1 frame delay on first fair: 8 (= −1+38−29)
Fair’s hitbubbles are active on frames 4 to 7. Thus:
1. If you do an instant gravity fair, your second fair has to be input within a 5 frame window; on frames 29-33 of your first fair. (
Not 3 because fair slightly moves Marth’s ECB upwards; enough to delay his landing by one frame.)
2. If you go through
Jump 0 (during which gravity is not applied), your second fair has to be input within a 5 frame window as well; on frames 29-33 of your first fair. For every frame your first fair is delayed, the closing of this input window decreases by 1.
Thus, you have a combined leniency of 4 frames for both fair inputs. (Frame perfect execution is counted as 0 leniency.)
I realize @
harMoNiC
ninja’d me an hour ago, but I’ve been busy all the time creating a large gfycat that hopefully illustrates the input window perfectly and gives you an easy understanding and visualization of the timing. It’s 60fps, so you’ll probably have to pause it and frame advance with the gfycat viewing options.
If you’d like to have a slower / different version, just request it (be as specific as possible). The frame dumping and input recreating is the most tedious part; changing playing speed and re-uploading only takes 2 minutes.
Direct link:
http://gfycat.com/DistantWhiteGrosbeak
Even though this video uses ← + A (I had to do so because the C-stick tilts the camera in develop mode), I recommend always going for C-stick instead. For a real match, thenar grip is the way to go imho. For shdf to the right, I use → + A for the first fair and C-stick for the second.
Not a problem if it's too much work.
I look forward to all the future content.
