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Data from recent strawpoll on Reddit (and other places). It was discussed here a little bit ago. Waited until responses started dying off. Posting image here because twitter quality is poor.

SOURCE: http://redd.it/3b5k1j

Nice picture, but I would advise trying to put up veterans and third-party characters as well to reflect how well King K. Rool is doing. But I will say this, why are people voting for Reckless Wiimote Safety Man?
The only one actually competing with him is Isaac, and even then King K. is a little less than 200 votes ahead
With demand like this, I'll be damned if Sakurai hasn't atleast noticed yet. :4pacman:
Isaac is not competition for King K. Rool, that much I am sure of. For Isaac to stand any shot of being added, King K. Rool HAS to be added first. If Sakurai is too apathetic about DK to add the most wanted character in the Smash Ballot, there is no way he is going to add a less popular character who's franchise has currently no future, is a franchise that Sakurai is likely apathetic about, and whom's popularity is probably less than in pre-Brawl.

It's either both, King K. Rool only, or neither of them. I will eat my hat if Isaac somehow gets in over King K. Rool (not that I'd be upset about Isaac by any means, I just don't see Isaac happening without K. Rool also coming in).
While we're on the subject, another strawpoll!

What are K. Rool's chances? I doubt anyone here will say he's unlikely, but I'm curious on how likely people say he is. Feel free to share this with whoever you want.
I'll have to put this on GameFAQs.
 

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Nice picture, but I would advise trying to put up veterans and third-party characters as well to reflect how well King K. Rool is doing. But I will say this, why are people voting for Reckless Wiimote Safety Man?
Isaac is not competition for King K. Rool, that much I am sure of. For Isaac to stand any shot of being added, King K. Rool HAS to be added first. If Sakurai is too apathetic about DK to add the most wanted character in the Smash Ballot, there is no way he is going to add a less popular character who's franchise has currently no future, is a franchise that Sakurai is likely apathetic about, and whom's popularity is probably less than in pre-Brawl.

It's either both, King K. Rool only, or neither of them. I will eat my hat if Isaac somehow gets in over King K. Rool (not that I'd be upset about Isaac by any means, I just don't see Isaac happening without K. Rool also coming in).
I'll have to put this on GameFAQs.
Agreed. Isaac isn't competition for K. Rool, its the other way already. Isaac doesn't get in if K. Rool doesn't get in first. That said, right now it looks really good for both, and I'm happy because they're my most wanted since the game was announced.
 

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So I was away when this article went online, has this thread talked about it?

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/06/21/the-end-of-smash-dlc/

Basically makes the (fairly reasonable) case that there will only be two more DLC characters.
Indeed. It's backed by facts rather assumptions, and is very 'safe', so to speak.

Though Sakurai's statements as of late don't exactly match up if we get just two more characters. Saying that it's going to be fanservice from now on and adding just two characters feels anti-climactic. If the next update doesn't bring additional slots, I think it would be safe to assume that PushDustin is right, and that the characters would be almost guaranteed to be Wolf and K. Rool.

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So I was away when this article went online, has this thread talked about it?

http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/06/21/the-end-of-smash-dlc/

Basically makes the (fairly reasonable) case that there will only be two more DLC characters.
Seemed kind of scary after first reading. I hope his first scenario is correct, while I wouldn't mind seeing wolf return all I truly want is for King K. Rool to make it in. He is pulling away in most polls. Dixie would be cool too, however I would just love to see King K. Rool again. What really put me over the edge again though was reading through the part in the article where Sakurai was cited saying "Issues like copyright, over-representation of a series and lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." This is like when you check something off a list and find a perfect match. Let's study this quote a bit more, ""Issues like copyright" I wouldn't think this would be an issue considering his appearance in Mario super sluggers, as well as appearing as a trophy. Next point of the quote: "over-representation of a series" We are talking about the fifth best selling Nintendo video game series, behind Mario, Zelda, Meroid, and Kirby. There is a clear reason why DK is always there to join Mario in sports games or to race him around the track in Mario Kart. It's because he's popular. This series is 100% UNDER-represented. Lastly looking at: "lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." I don't even want to get started on this last one. Everyone that is on the forum knows damn well that King K. Rool would have one of the craziest, unique awesome move-sets. Overall thought that jumped out at me in the article. Great post though, seems that just about everyone feels that King K. Rool believe it or not is a shoe-in at this point.
 
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What really put me over the edge again though was reading through the part in the article where Sakurai was cites saying "Issues like copyright, over-representation of a series and lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle."
Sakurai doesn't say that (as far as I'm aware), just the writer of the article.
 

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I'm keeping my expectations low on future DLC character count. Sakurai in a way used the word "several" on remaining characters. The definition of "several" is at least 3 but, to me, more than 4 in this case is definitely too much (even with the Fighter Ballot).

But let's see how things turn out. *grabs popcorn*
 

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Although I think Pushdustin makes a good case, I'll reiterate what I said in the Wolf thread:

To me, the ballot would be a huge misfire on Nintendo's part if they only add 1-2 characters from its early life and then go "btw the rest of the votes are just consideration for 5mash." The ballot clearly states at the top "Do you want your favorite video-game character to join the battle in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U?" Not "Do you want your favorite video game character to be in a future Smash game?" If they weren't going to have payoff for the whole six months, why run it that long?
 

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Indeed. It's backed by facts rather assumptions, and is very 'safe', so to speak.

Though Sakurai's statements as of late don't exactly match up if we get just two more characters. Saying that it's going to be fanservice from now on and adding just two characters feels anti-climactic. If the next update doesn't bring additional slots, I think it would be safe to assume that PushDustin is right, and that the characters would be almost guaranteed to be Wolf and K. Rool.

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I don't see this really. Again, "additional slots" can be added whenever. Right now they're probably well aware of the fact that people are hacking the game's code to find dummy data. Which is why we haven't seen anything else with the previous update. Its a fault assumption.


What will prove there's only two left is if Sakurai releases two more characters then says "That's all, folks." In other words, we can't possibly know until it happens.
 

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I don't see this really. Again, "additional slots" can be added whenever. Right now they're probably well aware of the fact that people are hacking the game's code to find dummy data. Which is why we haven't seen anything else with the previous update. Its a fault assumption.


What will prove there's only two left is if Sakurai releases two more characters then says "That's all, folks." In other words, we can't possibly know until it happens.
Fair point, but considering there isn't a lot of evidence that Nintendo is learning, that possibility remains. But it's a little boring to just sit back and watch. :p

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Seemed kind of scary after first reading. I hope his first scenario is correct, while I wouldn't mind seeing wolf return all I truly want is for King K. Rool to make it in. He is pulling away in most polls. Dixie would be cool too, however I would just love to see King K. Rool again. What really put me over the edge again though was reading through the part in the article where Sakurai was cited saying "Issues like copyright, over-representation of a series and lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." This is like when you check something off a list and find a perfect match. Let's study this quote a bit more, ""Issues like copyright" I wouldn't think this would be an issue considering his appearance in Mario super sluggers, as well as appearing as a trophy. Next point of the quote: "over-representation of a series" We are talking about the fifth best selling Nintendo video game series, behind Mario, Zelda, Meroid, and Kirby. There is a clear reason why DK is always there to join Mario in sports games or to race him around the track in Mario Kart. It's because he's popular. This series is 100% UNDER-represented. Lastly looking at: "lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." I don't even want to get started on this last one. Everyone that is on the forum knows damn well that King K. Rool would have one of the craziest, unique awesome move-sets. Overall thought that jumped out at me in the article. Great post though, seems that just about everyone feels that King K. Rool believe it or not is a shoe-in at this point.
DK is the fourth best selling Nintendo franchise...
Its Mario first, then Pokemon, then the Wii series, then DK. Zelda, Metroid and Kirby are not in the top 4.
 

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I have a feeling/theory that over the years K. Rool got too fat to even fit the armour on himself, so he got rid of it, revealing his belly's actual colour.

If you look at the Rare design and the new one, you can definitely see a width difference on the belly.
It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened to a Nintendo character - Dedede's put on so much weight since he debuted that you can easily see how much bigger his haramaki (belly-warmer) has gotten, even before taking note of the proportional differences. :laugh:

A minor revelation if I do say so myself, but still one. I thought for the whole time it was a golden belly, so saying it was an armor surprised me.
I thought this too, because when I was a kid I thought that the shared colour with his crown was a result of the colour limits on the sprites!

We are talking about the fifth best selling Nintendo video game series, behind Mario, Zelda, Meroid, and Kirby.
I'm pretty sure DK is ahead of Kirby in sales, as a series (just speaking as a Kirby fan here, as folks often think the series is much smaller than it really is, which the fact it's just behind DK goes against). ;) (And Metroid is way, way lower on the scale, too.)

Lastly looking at: "lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." I don't even want to get started on this last one. Everyone that is on the forum knows damn well that King K. Rool would have one of the craziest, unique awesome move-sets.
The fact that he's had multiple final boss appearances helps him a lot in that regard, too!
 
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I feel like once sakurai considers *for all I know he already has* King K. Rool he'll see how far K. Rool has gone through in the DK series, each individual boss fight will trigger why we want K. Rool in Smash in Sakurai's head. It's just,... what it is. We love K. rool, we want him in smash, and he'd work in smash, make it happen.
 

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DK is the fourth best selling Nintendo franchise...
Its Mario first, then Pokemon, then the Wii series, then DK. Zelda, Metroid and Kirby are not in the top 4.
Er, no, Zelda is definitely ahead of DK. Where do you get that number? DK is ahead of Kirby and Kirby is ahead of Metroid, though.


Seemed kind of scary after first reading. I hope his first scenario is correct, while I wouldn't mind seeing wolf return all I truly want is for King K. Rool to make it in. He is pulling away in most polls. Dixie would be cool too, however I would just love to see King K. Rool again. What really put me over the edge again though was reading through the part in the article where Sakurai was cited saying "Issues like copyright, over-representation of a series and lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." This is like when you check something off a list and find a perfect match. Let's study this quote a bit more, ""Issues like copyright" I wouldn't think this would be an issue considering his appearance in Mario super sluggers, as well as appearing as a trophy. Next point of the quote: "over-representation of a series" We are talking about the fifth best selling Nintendo video game series, behind Mario, Zelda, Meroid, and Kirby. There is a clear reason why DK is always there to join Mario in sports games or to race him around the track in Mario Kart. It's because he's popular. This series is 100% UNDER-represented. Lastly looking at: "lack of a viable move-set can hinder a character’s ability to join the battle." I don't even want to get started on this last one. Everyone that is on the forum knows damn well that King K. Rool would have one of the craziest, unique awesome move-sets. Overall thought that jumped out at me in the article. Great post though, seems that just about everyone feels that King K. Rool believe it or not is a shoe-in at this point.
DK is behind Metroid? Lol where do you get that? Metroid is FAR lower sales-wise than both DK and Kirby. Its surprising just how many people think the Metroid series sells so much better compared to the likes of DK and Kirby, which simply isn't the case. You also completely missed the Pokemon series and the Wii series (Pokemon is second, Wii third). That said, if you only include character-based franchises, then you can skip the Wii series.
 

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Er, no, Zelda is definitely ahead of DK. Where do you get that number? DK is ahead of Kirby and Kirby is ahead of Metroid, though.



DK is behind Metroid? Lol where do you get that? Metroid is FAR lower sales-wise than both DK and Kirby. Its surprising just how many people think the Metroid series sells so much better compared to the likes of DK and Kirby, which simply isn't the case. You also completely missed the Pokemon series and the Wii series (Pokemon is second, Wii third). That said, if you only include character-based franchises, then you can skip the Wii series.
POKEMANSPIKA got it from Wikipedia
 

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Er, no, Zelda is definitely ahead of DK. Where do you get that number? DK is ahead of Kirby and Kirby is ahead of Metroid, though.



DK is behind Metroid? Lol where do you get that? Metroid is FAR lower sales-wise than both DK and Kirby. Its surprising just how many people think the Metroid series sells so much better compared to the likes of DK and Kirby, which simply isn't the case. You also completely missed the Pokemon series and the Wii series (Pokemon is second, Wii third). That said, if you only include character-based franchises, then you can skip the Wii series.
Oops made a mistake with the Zelda one. Zelda is ahead of DK but DK is still ahead of Kirby and Metroid (seriously, how would Metroid be in the top 5 best selling Nintendo franchises, Smash is ahead of it in sales).

@ Cutie Gwen Cutie Gwen No I didn't...
 
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Er, no, Zelda is definitely ahead of DK. Where do you get that number? DK is ahead of Kirby and Kirby is ahead of Metroid, though.



DK is behind Metroid? Lol where do you get that? Metroid is FAR lower sales-wise than both DK and Kirby. Its surprising just how many people think the Metroid series sells so much better compared to the likes of DK and Kirby, which simply isn't the case. You also completely missed the Pokemon series and the Wii series (Pokemon is second, Wii third). That said, if you only include character-based franchises, then you can skip the Wii series.
This sounds like a massive generalization but from what I've seen the metroid community thinks metroid should take priority over EVERY nintendo game because it's "elitely the best series Nintendo has to offer". I can see where these imaginative figures of Metroid being a better-selling series than DK come from lol! As a massive DK fan I'd never go to an extent to say Donkey Kong is the best series Nintendo has to offer. If we look at DK's lifeline it's been VERY choppy and sloppy at best sadly. Kind of comparable to Fire Emblem for the North American audience pre-2013 with the addition of the rare buy-out. But I love DK and always believe it will return...with kremlings. Maybe.
 
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I have been saying 2 more characters left for a while now. People like getting hung up on "several" but as the author of the translation repeatedly states it's an imperfect translation and all you can really take from it is "more than 1".
 

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Seriously though, when was Brain Age so high up? Put Kawashima in Smash, Sakurai.

I have been saying 2 more characters left for a while now. People like getting hung up on "several" but as the author of the translation repeatedly states it's an imperfect translation and all you can really take from it is "more than 1".
If it's true that there are only two left and they're already being worked on, it was wrong of Sakurai and/or Nintendo to keep a ballot going for half a year and only use samples from it from the first month or so.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

Mario/Pokemon/Wii/Zelda/Donkey Kong/Kirby/Brain Age/Smash/Animal Crossing/Nintendogs/Metroid/Star Fox/Tomodachi.

Clearly not.
I tend to cite that listing on Wikipedia as its accurate to other sources and I knew Zelda was higher than DK on there.



I have been saying 2 more characters left for a while now. People like getting hung up on "several" but as the author of the translation repeatedly states it's an imperfect translation and all you can really take from it is "more than 1".
That article was actually posted up before Sakurai's statements on the matter. Regardless, I don't think "2" characters fits even regardless of his comment. With Sakurai's track record recently and the timing of the ballot and everything, only 2 more makes zero sense at all.
 

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I'm not ruling out just two characters being left, but I'm personally guessing 4...Wolf, and three ballot characters for a nice, clean eight (they can promote the chosen eight in one 8-player match that way). The Marios would seem to be evidence toward two slots remaining, but the existence of three empty All-Star Mode rounds points to room being left for at least two dozen more characters (not that that'd ever happen, but yeah).

I won't rule out two slots for the same reason I voted K. Rool as "more likely than not" instead of "definite"...I've learned since pre-SSB4 not to take Sakurai at face value. I did, back when he said things like "we listen to what characters fans want" and "character uniqueness is the most important thing," as well as that "a balance between series is important," and look how that ended up. "Fan-service" is a more overt nod in our direction than any of those, but I'm still taking it with a big spoonful of grains of salt.
 
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I'm not ruling out just two characters being left, but I'm personally guessing 4...Wolf, and three ballot characters for a nice, clean eight (they can promote the chosen eight in one 8-player match that way). The Marios would seem to be evidence toward two slots remaining, but the existence of three empty All-Star Mode rounds points to room being left for at least two dozen more characters (not that that'd ever happen, but yeah).
The article does mention 4 more could still feasibly fit on the Wii U CSS. That'd be pretty perfect. Here's hoping.

Even if K. Rool and Wolf are in my top three wants and they're both likely... I'm not gonna say no to more characters. :p
 

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I'm not ruling out just two characters being left, but I'm personally guessing 4...Wolf, and three ballot characters for a nice, clean eight (they can promote the chosen eight in one 8-player match that way). The Marios would seem to be evidence toward two slots remaining, but the existence of three empty All-Star Mode rounds points to room being left for at least two dozen more characters (not that that'd ever happen, but yeah).

I won't rule out two slots for the same reason I voted K. Rool as "more likely than not" instead of "definite"...I've learned since pre-SSB4 not to take Sakurai at face value. I did, back when he said things like "we listen to what characters fans want" and "character uniqueness is the most important thing," as well as that "a balance between series is important," and look how that ended up. "Fan-service" is a more overt nod in our direction than any of those, but I'm still taking it with a big spoonful of grains of salt.
I agree on all accounts. I for some reason find it hard to believe they'd put empty slots in for ballot characters they may not've decided on or all the numbers of. It seems like pre-ballot placeholders to me. It could NOT be, but it seems super weird if Sakurai is 100% focused on fanservice to only allow one or two ballot characters and potentially no Wolf. ESPECIALLY since we got such a wildcard like Ryu.

I'm going to say 4, with two ballots, maybe three if I'm wrong about the two slots being pre-ballot. Plus I like your 8-player promotion idea. I could certainly see 2 being it and wouldn't be surprised, but Nintendo would be fools to stop this e-shop crashing gravy train now.

Quick question cuz I can't access it at the moment, but how many characters are on a row on the 3DS CSS?
 

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I agree on all accounts. I for some reason find it hard to believe they'd put empty slots in for ballot characters they may not've decided on or all the numbers of. It seems like pre-ballot placeholders to me. It could NOT be, but it seems super weird if Sakurai is 100% focused on fanservice to only allow one or two ballot characters and potentially no Wolf. ESPECIALLY since we got such a wildcard like Ryu.

I'm going to say 4, with two ballots, maybe three if I'm wrong about the two slots being pre-ballot. Plus I like your 8-player promotion idea. I could certainly see 2 being it and wouldn't be surprised, but Nintendo would be fools to stop this e-shop crashing gravy train now.

Quick question cuz I can't access it at the moment, but how many characters are on a row on the 3DS CSS?
9 or 10 I think. 2 more perfectly fills the 3DS screen.
 

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DK is the fourth best selling Nintendo franchise...
Its Mario first, then Pokemon, then the Wii series, then DK. Zelda, Metroid and Kirby are not in the top 4.
DK is indeed ahead of Kirby in sales. Sakurai would like us to think otherwise seeing as how Kirby is always shown off with Mario, Link, and Pikachu in almost every debut Smash trailer.... I always (to this day) have wondered why its Kirby there and not DK...0.- Like I get it..its your game Sakurai....but...I would say, personally, that DK is more recognizable to the world anyway.
 
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