K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[JaidynReiman]

The other difference that came to my mind was that DK Jr. was flat-out replaced by a new character in Diddy when Rare's redesign for the character was deemed too far from the original, and only got used later on in Tennis when Camelot wasn't sure who owned Diddy. Since K. Rool, there's never been a new villain or enemy group to usurp his role, allowing him to keep the title by default. That's something that I don't think will change anytime soon, especially not if he makes even just one more appearance.

The other thing is precisely how long DK Jr. appeared in comparison to K. Rool. DK Jr. was in, what, DK Jr. and DK Jr. Math? Was there anything else? Yeah, he appeared in a few spinoffs here and there, but that was it.


K. Rool appeared consistently for 14 years. That's a much, much bigger track record than DK Jr. got.


Seriously, its ridiculous about all these contrived comparisons people keep trying to make to discredit how important K. Rool is to the DK franchise and how "unlikely" he is to come back. Another one I've seen is that stupid pic comparing K. Rool, the MAIN antagonist of the DK franchise for 14 years, to Wart, a one-time Mario villain.

 

[Dre89]

I think Dixie and K. Rool are major characters but they're not super important. DKCR demonstrated that DK can sell without either of them. If both of them were cut from the series it would still sell well as long as they kept Diddy and stayed true to the Country formula.

Diddy is like Luigi in that his individual character is probably more popular than the main protagonist. Diddy could probably go off on his own and make titles that sell, eg. Diddy Kong Racing.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I think Dixie and K. Rool are major characters but they're not super important. DKCR demonstrated that DK can sell without either of them. If both of them were cut from the series it would still sell well as long as they kept Diddy and stayed true to the Country formula.

Diddy is like Luigi in that his individual character is probably more popular than the main protagonist. Diddy could probably go off on his own and make titles that sell, eg. Diddy Kong Racing.

Men, they could cut Diddy and the game would still sell well. But sales and relevancy don't make a good character, personality does and Diddy's got plenty but K. Rool has more in my opinion.

Platformers are rarely known for their interesting antagonists, K. Rool is a great exception to that formula.

 

[Dre89]

Men, they could cut Diddy and the game would still sell well. But sales and relevancy don't make a good character, personality does and Diddy's got plenty but K. Rool has more in my opinion.

Platformers are rarely known for their interesting antagonists, K. Rool is a great exception to that formula.

The original question was which character was more important. The truth is neither character is really that important because the series would still do well if neither of them ever showed up again anyway.

Diddy is on a different level. If the next title didn't include Diddy sales would probably take a hit, unless it's a solo DK experience. Although Jungle Beat didn't do that great anyway so even then it'd still probably suffer.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think Dixie and K. Rool are major characters but they're not super important. DKCR demonstrated that DK can sell without either of them. If both of them were cut from the series it would still sell well as long as they kept Diddy and stayed true to the Country formula.

Diddy is like Luigi in that his individual character is probably more popular than the main protagonist. Diddy could probably go off on his own and make titles that sell, eg. Diddy Kong Racing.

My problem is however: When will they indeed give Diddy his spin-off title? I've been waiting for it forever.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My problem is however: When will they indeed give Diddy his spin-off title? I've been waiting for it forever.

They did, it's called Diddy Kong Racing

 

[Diddy Kong]

They did, it's called Diddy Kong Racing

Made by Rare, 1997.

I want a propper spin-off made by Retro Studios. A la New Super Luigi U.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Made by Rare, 1997.

I want a propper spin-off made by Retro Studios. A la New Super Luigi U.

That's not really a spinoff I'd say, but wouldn't Diddy's Kong Quest count for that?

 

[Diddy Kong]

That's not really a spinoff I'd say, but wouldn't Diddy's Kong Quest count for that?

Technically yes it should of course. But it was Rare's creation, and my point being that Nintendo nor Retro really has done anything with Diddy himself. Outside of him being Donkey's "power up", which is an extreme downgraded role from what was before. Sure, Rare didn't put as much focus on himself as Nintendo and Retro do, but more the world around him. And in order to do so, he needed a strong supporting cast. was as important to the 'Golden Days Of Rare's Donkey Kong Country' as , if not more important.

Anyway, if @ Dre89 is right and Dixie Kong and King K.Rool are indeed lesser namesakes than Diddy in the franchise, I want them to make a Diddy Kong spin-off as soon as possible, so that the King can return as well. Ideally I'd like a DKCR-styled game starring Diddy and Dixie as a classic tag team.

DKC has Returned, but am still awaiting of the return of something even grander; Donkey Kong Country 2.

 

[Wintropy]

I think Dixie and K. Rool are major characters but they're not super important. DKCR demonstrated that DK can sell without either of them. If both of them were cut from the series it would still sell well as long as they kept Diddy and stayed true to the Country formula.

Diddy is like Luigi in that his individual character is probably more popular than the main protagonist. Diddy could probably go off on his own and make titles that sell, eg. Diddy Kong Racing.

In terms of marketing value, sure.

In terms of narrative role, it's kind of difficult to outright replace the main antagonist, at least without significant fan backlash demanding his imminent return.

My problem is however: When will they indeed give Diddy his spin-off title? I've been waiting for it forever.

Kinda surprised they haven't already, seeing as how Luigi and even Yoshi got their own spin-off series.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Honestly I don't think Diddy needs a spinoff, unless it's another Diddy Kong Racing. Donkey Kong Country 2 sits in my mind as one of the greatest games of all time, that's Diddy's game and I know that no spinoff platformer will ever live up to that game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Honestly I don't think Diddy needs a spinoff, unless it's another Diddy Kong Racing. Donkey Kong Country 2 sits in my mind as one of the greatest games of all time, that's Diddy's game and I know that no spinoff platformer will ever live up to that game.

True dat though. DKC2 will never be topped, it's literally the peak of gaming. At least, in my humble, modest opinion.

Still, wouldn't mind seeing Diddy Kong spin-offs that at least tried to step into DKC2's glorious footsteps.

 

[Thelimomon]

Thoughts?

 

[BKupa666]

The original question was which character was more important. The truth is neither character is really that important because the series would still do well if neither of them ever showed up again anyway.

Diddy is on a different level. If the next title didn't include Diddy sales would probably take a hit, unless it's a solo DK experience. Although Jungle Beat didn't do that great anyway so even then it'd still probably suffer.

This is actually an interesting discussion topic, since there are multiple ways to look at it. If we measure importance in terms of "who is needed to sell a game?" neither K. Rool nor Dixie qualify, since Returns' barebones approach to DKC still sold millions (and TF sold less, albeit due to other factors). But can this really be attributed to DK and Diddy being present? Maybe, since Jungle Beat sure didn't come anywhere close to Returns, but how much of that was due to its overall package vs. its characters?

After the "experimental" approaches to DK during the GameCube era, people were calling for DKC's gameplay en masse. The general public seems to view Retro as a "golden dumpster" into which to place all of Nintendo's inactive franchises, and DKC easily fit the bill in 2010 (hence the b****ing in reponse to TF, a non-revival DKC). But back to characters, I think gameplay trumps characters for the most part in terms of sales. . .example, would the presence of Mario really have saved Captain Toad from mediocrity? Would the Mario cast have prevented Wonderful 101 from flopping? Heck, depending on how you look at this game's newcomer roster, this Smash title sold well despite the absence of any noteworthy first party additions.

An alternate interpretation to character importance could be "if you take this character out of a new game, what's the reaction?" Very few people are out there requesting that Wart return to Mario (his name does come up, but often in the context of "We need someone other than Bowser" to relieve Mario's creative bankruptcy with boss fights). But if you followed that suggestion and sat Bowser out for a game, a lot of people would go absolutely nuts, because he's that intertwined with his franchise. K. Rool and Dixie aren't to the same extent, since the DKC universe only existed from 1994- vs. DK's existence from 1981-, and Diddy was the bigger breakout star. But people were still upset when neither were in Returns and wanted both back (albeit phrased sometimes as "a more unique villain like K. Rool" or "More Kongs"). That sets them above a sizable chunk of characters, including a handful already in Smash.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Speaking of Spinoff's, would you guys like to see K. Rool have one of his own? if Bowser and Ganondorf can go on their own adventures from time to time (Bowser's Inside Story and Hyrule Warriors) then what's to stop our King?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Speaking of Spinoff's, would you guys like to see K. Rool have one of his own? if Bowser and Ganondorf can go on their own adventures from time to time (Bowser's Inside Story and Hyrule Warriors) then what's to stop our King?

Yes and HYESSSSS

 

[CannonStreak]

Add me to the list. K. Rool for the freaking win!

 

[Xzsmmc]

Add me to the list. K. Rool for the freaking win!

Boy, it's been awhile since we've done this:

 

[CannonStreak]

Boy, it's been awhile since we've done this:

Adding someone to the list, you mean?

And yes, I am definitely one of you guys.

 

[Xzsmmc]

Adding someone to the list, you mean?

And yes, I am definitely one of you guys.

That's our initiation ritual. We used to post it for every new member back during the speculation days. Welcome to the group.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Boy, it's been awhile since we've done this:

...

I kind of want to record myself singing that.

 

[BKupa666]

...

I kind of want to record myself singing that.

Either a cover or a dramatic reading (or both) would be a great bonus to come out of this thread, since it's by far the most-posted video in here.

 

[CannonStreak]

That's our initiation ritual. We used to post it for every new member back during the speculation days. Welcome to the group.

I figured. I am glad to be a part of this group.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Either a cover or a dramatic reading (or both) would be a great bonus to come out of this thread, since it's by far the most-posted video in here.

If someone gets me the lyrics, I might just read it somewhat dramatically.

 

[CannonStreak]

Oh, one more thing: The Donkey Kong Country TV show rocks!

 

[JaidynReiman]

Oh, one more thing: The Donkey Kong Country TV show rocks!

I thought this as a kid, then I realized that it really does suck. But its kinda charming in its own way.

 

[Xzsmmc]

If someone gets me the lyrics, I might just read it somewhat dramatically.

Weeeeeeeeeellllll! Listen here, while I make it clear!
I can't believe you can't see what we see here!
A crocodile the superior species,
You're Donkey Croc, initials D.C!
Looking at your claws,
you could be one of my in-laws!
Because you're one of us! One of us!
Your mean and green, scaly sheen
Can't you see you're one of us?
You walk the line, my brother Croc.
Arm in arm, together we rock!

Well, if what you say is true...
Then I guess we're brothers, same color and a similar view.
With these fangs and this scaly skin...
There's no question that we're family, next of kin!

Cause I'm one of you! One of you!
Same crew, nothing I can do. I can see I'm one of you.
One of you, one of you! The same crew,
I'm really one of you!
Get to it.
I remember all this because ages ago, I made a Smash Bros. themed version. Wish I could find it.

 

[CannonStreak]

I thought this as a kid, then I realized that it really does suck. But its kinda charming in its own way.

Oh come on. It's not that bad. Well, this may just be me speaking, but I think that even if it has some bad parts, it is still good. I especially like the songs, personally.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Weeeeeeeeeellllll! Listen here, while I make it clear!
I can't believe you can't see what we see here!
A crocodile the superior species,
You're Donkey Croc, initials D.C!
Looking at your claws,
you could be one of my in-laws!
Because you're one of us! One of us!
Your mean and green, scaly sheen
Can't you see you're one of us?
You walk the line, my brother Croc.
Arm in arm, together we rock!

Well, if what you say is true...
Then I guess we're brothers, same color and a similar view.
With these fangs and this scaly skin...
There's no question that we're family, next of kin!

Cause I'm one of you! One of you!
Same crew, nothing I can do. I can see I'm one of you.
One of you, one of you! The same crew,
I'm really one of you!
Get to it.
I remember all this because ages ago, I made a Smash Bros. themed version. Wish I could find it.

Do you people want me to simply record it seriously or silly?

 

[CannonStreak]

Say, the topic says something about taking a survey in Club Nintendo. So, is that still available?

 

[toadster101]

Say, the topic says something about taking a survey in Club Nintendo. So, is that still available?

You have until March 31st to register your products and fill out your surveys, and until June 30th to redeem your coins. Speaking of which, the final rewards have been announced, and Donkey Kong Country 3D is available for a mere 600 coins. Though I can't say I'm a fan of that version. The framerate ruins it for me. Unless they can magically fix that in an update, I'll always prefer the Wii original.

https://club.nintendo.com/rewards.do (the site is VERY slow right now)

 

[Megadoomer]

If possible, go through your Wii games and look for codes. Even if the paper that comes with them says to register the games to MyNintendo, they'll still work (Wii Fit got me 100 coins and Kirby's Return to Dreamland got me 50, though those were the only unusually high ones). The same might go for DS and Gamecube games; I've found codes in some of those boxes, but the site hasn't been stable enough for me to confirm that they work.

 

[BKupa666]

Weeeeeelllll, Listen here, while we make it clear!
We're so glad you're finally here!
A crocodile, a banana stealer,
You're K. Rool, a real death dealer
Looking at your jawwwwws,
You could be one of our big draws!
Cause you're one of us! One of us!
Your A-moves and final smash!
Can't you see you're one of us?
A newcomer! To our clash!
Arm to arm, together we smash!

Weeellll, since what you said is trueeee....
Then I'm a smash brother, with alt colors and a similar view...
With these B moooovess...and this HD skiiinnnn...
There's no question that I'm no longer a haaas-beeeeen...

Cause I'm one of you! One of you!
Same crew, nothing you () can do. I'm finally one of you.
One of you, one of you! The same crew,
I'm finally one of youuuuuuuuuuuuu!

@ Xzsmmc

 

[Xzsmmc]

@ Xzsmmc

Thanks! I had a lot of fun making that. The speculation in this thead was always a great time.

Do you people want me to simply record it seriously or silly?

Up to you, man.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Do you people want me to simply record it seriously or silly?

This will be the greatest song ever.

Record it however you like.

 

[CannonStreak]

This will be the greatest song ever.

Record it however you like.

Wait...Swampasaur is making some kind of song? May I ask what kind of song?

 

[JaidynReiman]

@ Xzsmmc

I was wondering where that was. :D That's exactly what I was thinking of referencing the other day.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Wait...Swampasaur is making some kind of song? May I ask what kind of song?

...

I kind of want to record myself singing that.

Boy, it's been awhile since we've done this:

 

[Starcutter]

Hey guys, it's been a while.


Anyways, did you guys know that one of the tags you can randomly get is KROOL?

I'm not sure if it means anything, but the only other character other than KROOL with a tag that didn't make an appearance was Isaac.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Hey guys, it's been a while.


Anyways, did you guys know that one of the tags you can randomly get is KROOL?

I'm not sure if it means anything, but the only other character other than KROOL with a tag that didn't make an appearance was Isaac.

That was in Brawl as well. It means nothing at all.