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Dude, I see you liking my optimistics posts about K.Rool, the Hype 3 and stuff and now you're gonna go all depressive again? No offense but you are being an hypocrite. You either feel optimistic or pessimistic about the situation.
Mood swings. We're all going through them my friend.
Well as they say it's good to expect the best but also the worst. The problem is I can actually see Sakurai doing something like that.
Yup, that too.
Its called sarcasm. The fact is, no one knows what's going to happen at this point. I personally do agree with @
pupNapoleon
, I believe the Big 3 are happening, but all of our speculation could be wrong and could be all for naught. We need to keep that into consideration.I agree with this as well. Personally, I think both Dixie and K. Rool is more likely than just getting Dixie Kong. But we'll see how things play out.I'm feeling a Chrom vibe when I think of Dixie, everyone expects Dixie due to a leak before the ninka. Even though there someone with more moveset potential and more popularity which is King K Rool. Sakurai knows what the people want, its obvious at this point. So after the Robin debacle, I believe Sakurai would add King K Rool.
Whatever the outcome I ain't abandon the gangplank galleon. I'am going down with my fellow kutthroats
I agree, but there are strong hints and facts that points towards them being playable. I personally have my doubts too, but I remain mostly optimistic about the situation. Stay strong fellow kutthroats! The day is near.
I expected Dixie over K. Rool long before that leak...I'm feeling a Chrom vibe when I think of Dixie, everyone expects Dixie due to a leak before the ninka. Even though there someone with more moveset potential and more popularity which is King K Rool. Sakurai knows what the people want, its obvious at this point. So after the Robin debacle, I believe Sakurai would add King K Rool.
Whatever the outcome I ain't abandon the gangplank galleon. I'am going down with my fellow kutthroats
I don't know about that, other than the hair twirl and what not, I just see her being more of a clone of Diddy but I'd be fine with her inclusion too. K. Rool on the other hand, he's got all kinds of moves that could easily be mixed in.
Well yeah Dixie was requested as well, but now I believe most of the neutral party is now banking on Dixie due to the leak.
Similarly, most people believed Chrom was a shoo-in long before the Gematsu leak happened. Hardly anyone questioned his inclusion, and the leak just cemented that belief.
I think people argue that the Kremlings are iconic enemies in the Donkey Kong series, so of course they'd be included.
I'm not seeing it. From what I recall, Dixie can fly with her ponytail (which she'd also presumably be able to use to attack), and she shoots bubble gum as projectiles in Tropical Freeze. By comparison, K. Rool has four unique boss fights in completely different identities, all of which bring a lot to the table in terms of moves. (Well, not so much with Baron K. Roolstein, but they'd at least be able to get his recovery move and a basic attack or two based on it)
Exactly. The point is so arbitrarily stupid. I've seen that several times before. "The Kremlings were just including for being DK's iconic enemies. That doesn't hint at K. Rool at all." Then they proceed to say "K. Rool is irrelevant, he was cut from the series."
Dixie as a whole has plenty of potential for a fully original moveset, but the thing is, she doesn't have a whole lot of attacks and moves she actually uses. Sakurai would have to create a moveset revolved around her attacking with her hair in different ways, and all the while she'll still have some similarities to Diddy probably. It'd even be quite easy to give her an original moveset 100% canon to her original appearances but she'd still be a cross clone of DK and Diddy.
I for one always pointed out at Chrom had no chance due to the inability to be unique, and said that Lucina would be more likely (due to being at least female). And I got flamed at HARD. Sakurai literally said the same thing as me lol.
I don't really get that. It's not as if she plays anything like Diddy in her native games. They're very different. And there's an entire moveset that can be built around her hair, a tool that no other character uses in Smash. Not to mention the possibility of her guitar, bubble gum, animal buddies and other such things that neither Diddy nor DK use.
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Personally, I don't put much stock in ideas for why certain characters can't be playable unless there is substantial evidence to back it up. Claims like "K. Rool can't get in because he's not relevant/recent" does not have much, if any, evidence backing it up; on the contrary, there are a number of examples that are contrary to this claim. Most of these, however, are labeled as exceptions to the rule by those who support that argument, even though there really isn't anything suggesting that such a rule exists to begin with.
Strange I can't remember 2 x 4 or wallrus face beeing in 5 DK games as the antagonist, do you? Seriously do people not know what criterias there are to being a series main antagonist?
Yeah, even though I want K. Rool more, I have to keep defending Dixie as well. Dixie is more than capable of becoming a very unique character. The main issue is... she's also capable of becoming a semiclone (she'd looked wretched as a direct clone), so I always try and keep an open mind about that. K. Rool would look wretched as a clone or semiclone.I for one always pointed out at Chrom had no chance due to the inability to be unique, and said that Lucina would be more likely (due to being at least female). And I got flamed at HARD. Sakurai literally said the same thing as me lol.
I don't really get that. It's not as if she plays anything like Diddy in her native games. They're very different. And there's an entire moveset that can be built around her hair, a tool that no other character uses in Smash. Not to mention the possibility of her guitar, bubble gum, animal buddies and other such things that neither Diddy nor DK use.
Of course K. Rool has the ability to be VERY unique too. It just irks me when people say that Dixie can't be unique.
IMO they both deserve to be in, and they should both be 100% unique characters. I don't like people bashing Dixie
She definitely doesn't have better, but the fact is that she's got an entirely unique gimmick/feature exclusive to her, and that's her ponytail whirl. That's her most iconic attribute, and is the thing that differentiates her from literally any other potential character except Bayoneta (well, I'm pretty sure she has a major gimmick where she can transform her hair and crap), who has literally no chance of being playable anyway.
I love how people fail to remember that Donkey Kong Land 1-3 are entirely different games from Donkey Kong Country 1-3. That's 6, then there's 64, 7, and if you count spinoffs you can also add in Barrel Blast, King of Swing, and Jungle Climber. That's 10 games where K. Rool appears as the main antagonist, and he's even in the Donkey Konga games as a rival. Or you could say 9 games where he's the main antagonist, since technically Barrel Blast doesn't have a story.
Exactly. It's just biased people who simply don't want K.Rool in Smash who claim that. To be fair though, we really haven't gotten that much evidence that K.Rool is in either, just little teases at best. I just wish that Sakurai would have a PoTD that at least confirms him either as a trophy, boss, or playable to put the whole thing to rest.
Just like the Super Mario Land games, the Donkey Kong Land games are completely different games. You "see" them as ports, but they've got completely different stories and completely different stages. Donkey Kong Land 2 is the only game that even shares the same stage names, but regardless the stages in Donkey Kong Land 2 are completely different.
We've got POSSIBLE evidence and teases for K. Rool. The only actual real evidence for K. Rool is the Kremlings, which is a HUGE boon in his favor. Nothing at all for Dixie whatsoever, though. That's the issue. Granted, I would not be surprised if Johnknight's speculation turns out accurate and we did get both, but there's more actual evidence and teasing at K. Rool than Dixie. K. Rool being playable would also explain lack of DK stages--they'd be a dead giveaway for K. Rool being playable.
I agree with you. Dixie doesn't deserve to be bashed. She is a well-deserving character too, but K. Rool is a little more deserving in my eyes. It would be sooo satisfying to get both of them in.I don't really get that. It's not as if she plays anything like Diddy in her native games. They're very different. And there's an entire moveset that can be built around her hair, a tool that no other character uses in Smash. Not to mention the possibility of her guitar, bubble gum, animal buddies and other such things that neither Diddy nor DK use.
Of course K. Rool has the ability to be VERY unique too. It just irks me when people say that Dixie can't be unique.
IMO they both deserve to be in, and they should both be 100% unique characters. I don't like people bashing Dixie
I don't support Dixie because she appeared on some random leak or whatever. I support her because she has good potential to have a unique moveset and plus she is deserving as well. I just want K. Rool in first or have both in as well.
Johnknight1
's theory. This was posted in the Krystal thread:Nevermind the pessimism in the comment itself, LOOK AT THE FIRST IMAGE.So among the new info from the latest Famitsu magazine was a list of every character officially revealed so far. And believe it or not...it's a problem.
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Notice how they're in the same order as the leaked CSS? If they're using that order elsewhere...it really hurts the odds of them being willing to rearrange the CSS, meaning that any unknown newcomers would have to fit within it.
That actually doesn't hurt our chances much...but there's something else to consider that I brought up a while back.
Let's assume Star Fox or Pokemon had one character yet to be revealed. R.O.B. would move down a spot, with just barely enough room to fit (since we can clearly see the second-lowest row has room for only one more character as-is). It'd be an unusual move, since it'd separate retro characters R.O.B. and DHD, but not out of the question considering how Mr. Game & Watch is way off in the middle of nowhere on the top right.
Let's say they did want to keep them together, though, or that we had two newcomers from Star Fox and Pokemon combined...or perhaps a character from one or the other and then Bandana Dee, forcing Little Mac to slide down a row. Regardless of the reason, R.O.B. and DHD would both move down a row...and overcrowd the second-lowest row. Someone would have to move down...which raises another question: would they be willing to separate the clones into two rows?
If not, they'd all go to the bottom row...which would present other problems. The bottom row has room for four more squares, so they'd fit...but it'd leave the bottom row with one more square than the row above it, an aesthetically awkward move they might not be willing to do.
There's also something else to take into account...where would the Mii Fighters' square go when customizations were on? The menu screenshot we saw was presumably for customizing--one option to create a Mii Fighter, the other to pick alternate specials and equipment for characters. Wouldn't there need to be a way to select the Mii Fighters from the CSS, at the very least for if you wanted to play against a computer-controlled one? Because if so...they'd make more sense to be right next to random, which would fill the bottom row and leave a gap on each side of the second-lowest row that'd look just as bad. They could add the Mii Fighters' square to the second-lowest row, next to the Wii Fit Trainer, but it wouldn't make quite as much sense to put the game's create-a-character anywhere but last.
So unless Nintendo throws another curveball at us and turns out to be willing to rearrange the CSS after all, or will at least rearrange more characters that are their franchise's sole reps than just G-Dub, or somehow adds another column...it'd be very hard for there to be more newcomers. The good news is, Krystal would plausibly work...but she'd be up against the likes of Wolf, Sceptile, and freaking Mewtwo.
If we were to get one new franchise trailer to promote the Japanese launch, a DK trailer with both K. Rool and Dixie would probably be the #1 choice. If it featured multiple franchises together I could see the Big 3 announced, but I can't see Ridley getting announced for the Japanese launch unless its a "Big 3" trailer.
Was this really an argument? Because Ganondorf is basically a god, and he was a disaster in Brawl.
Yes it was, I heard people saying Palutena would be too overpowered long before she was announced.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, if the clones are going to end up with their respective series, then why are they put together in a group like that to begin with? And what if Lucina was just grouped with the other Fire Emblem characters in that magazine due to no other clones being revealed yet, thus forcing them to group her with her series to keep her from just being all alone?Kutthroats, I have evidence corroborating @
Nevermind the pessimism in the comment itself, LOOK AT THE FIRST IMAGE.
Ok. Now look at the leaked image, very carefully.
Exact same order of characters, correct? Oh, wait, something's not quite right... In the image up top...
Lucina is next to Robin by the Fire Emblem characters.
This seals the deal for me, guys. I think the roster is going to expand into 10 columns to fit the clones by their respective franchises. This would also mean that the roster has to reorganize, but it hasn't reorganized YET, so there's probably several characters still missing, which also would shove all the Pokemon characters down because they can't fit on the same line anymore. We're looking at another Melee situation here, guys.
I don't think that necessarily means that the roster will split into ten columns, but I've been stating it is just as likely as unlikely anyway.Kutthroats, I have evidence corroborating @
Nevermind the pessimism in the comment itself, LOOK AT THE FIRST IMAGE.
Ok. Now look at the leaked image, very carefully.
Exact same order of characters, correct? Oh, wait, something's not quite right... In the image up top...
Lucina is next to Robin by the Fire Emblem characters.
This seals the deal for me, guys. I think the roster is going to expand into 10 columns to fit the clones by their respective franchises. This would also mean that the roster has to reorganize, but it hasn't reorganized YET, so there's probably several characters still missing, which also would shove all the Pokemon characters down because they can't fit on the same line anymore. We're looking at another Melee situation here, guys.
Because at the time Lucina doesn't fit up by the other characters. They're going to make the franchises stick together whenever possible. Remember Melee? Unlockable characters appeared at the bottom, but when certain characters unlocked, they shifted around. The other issue is, why is Lucina the only exception in this picture?
Agreed. I think the Pokemon will appear on the left side when the roster is complete.
Here's hoping! I mean, I can't think of anything else. (Maybe it also means a DK trailer :D).
A trailer after the game would already be out? At least in Japan, I mean.
Oh, when's the last week? I don't have a Wii U yet. I think a DK trailer is possible for a launch trailer, and if we did get one, there'd be no doubt in my mind Nintendo would cash in on it and announce Donkey Kong Land 1-3 for the west and perhaps even DKC1-3 GBA (they probably don't have the license to use Rare's name in the originals) for Virtual Console, which is also why they're waiting so late for the DK sale. They need more DK games before they can have a sale.
They already had a "character sale" for DK last year and the only games that were on sale were the NES versions of Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. In other words, don't get your hopes up.
>Greninja debuted 1 year ago.
