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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

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You also need to think a bit more realistic aswell though, there are empty spots in there roster that other characters may deserve more to fit then K rool.
K. Rool fits perfectly, there's nothing standing in his way, and half of the new characters we've heard of so far weren't really "needed" either. Now, I do agree that people shouldn't expect K. Rool at every single update. But I think K. Rool does deserve to be playable in this game and I'd be sorely disappointed if he isn't.
 

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I can't link it right now cause I am on my phone but on the smash reddit there is a video showing DKs new crowd chant is the DK rap! Another thing to increase the kings chances.
 

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I can't link it right now cause I am on my phone but on the smash reddit there is a video showing DKs new crowd chant is the DK rap! Another thing to increase the kings chances.
Here's the link to the video:
"DK! Don-key Kong!~"

It's a very nice touch of detail, though I don't see how it pertains to K. Rool's chances though. It only seems to me that Sakurai may possibly love the DK Rap, Grant Kirkhope's greatest and proudest achievement in his musical career! (This claim, unfortunately, is not up for debate. It is irrefutable :yeahboi:)

EDIT: :4greninja:'d
 
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I support King K. Rool but to me he's not exactly the most likely. I feel characters like Ridley and Shulk are more likely. The lack of DK content is suspicious though. I would not be surprised if he or Dixie shows up.
 

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I support King K. Rool but to me he's not exactly the most likely. I feel characters like Ridley and Shulk are more likely. The lack of DK content is suspicious though. I would not be surprised if he or Dixie shows up.
Frankly, the sales numbers and Lucina makes me think we'll get both. Before Lucina I doubted Dixie, but now I think we'll get both.
 

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So, I see this thread has a decent DLC campaign set up, despite quite a bit of evidence in favor of the king.

I was just wondering; How would I set up these DLC campaigns? Because I have several other iconic Nintendo villains (Beast Ganon, Porky) that I fear will not be playable this time around, and I too wish to gain some momentum first.

Also, I personally believe K. Rool is playable 100%. But since he's not very controversial outside movesets, I'm not exactly an active supporter.
 

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So, I see this thread has a decent DLC campaign set up, despite quite a bit of evidence in favor of the king.

I was just wondering; How would I set up these DLC campaigns? Because I have several other iconic Nintendo villains (Beast Ganon, Porky) that I fear will not be playable this time around, and I too wish to gain some momentum first.

Also, I personally believe K. Rool is playable 100%. But since he's not very controversial outside movesets, I'm not exactly an active supporter.
It was initialized as a precaution, primarily during the time when everyone thought Gematsu was Gospel. As time went on we keep getting more and more hints towards K. Rool potentially already being playable, although nothing is definite. That said, I believe at this point K. Rool has about an 85% chance of being playable, right behind Ridley at 95%.
 

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Frankly, the sales numbers and Lucina makes me think we'll get both. Before Lucina I doubted Dixie, but now I think we'll get both.
I think whether both of them get in hinges on the size of the roster. Lucina was a late addition so Fire Emblem was intended to have three characters.
 

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I think whether both of them get in hinges on the size of the roster. Lucina was a late addition so Fire Emblem was intended to have three characters.
Yes, but the DK franchise is far bigger than Fire Emblem. I know Lucina was a late addition, but based on everything Sakurai has stated, she was probably made into a fully original character after they almost finalized most of the existing characters already. DK is a huge, huge franchise, and more than deserves four reps. Dixie is also capable of being a semiclone of Diddy (although she is more than capable of being a fully original character in her own right), so even if they didn't already have Dixie as an alt of Diddy, it wouldn't be particiularly hard to make her and make a few adjustments to her so she uses her hair instead of tail like Diddy does, and has a different up special.

Yes, it'd take longer than Lucina, but not all too much really.
 

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Agreed. That line was the stupidest thing I ever heard. There's literally no one more important to add to this game than King K. Rool of the established franchises, except for Ridley, but both are on the same level.
 

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Don't forget Dark Pit, he's an integral part of Nintendo's history and the roster would fall apart without him!
It would seriously sting like someone putting their cigarette out in the eye if Dark Pit got in over King K. Rool; I don't really want to be mean to those who want him, but he's seriously the worst addition they could possible think of. He's even worse than Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach to me, and they're the two worst additions to the Mario verse that have ever been conceived. I wouldn't even begin to be able to fathom how he could get in over Dark Samus or Dark Link, either.
 
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It would seriously sting like someone putting their cigarette out in the eye if Dark Pit got in over King K. Rool; I don't really want to be mean to those who want him, but he's seriously the worst addition they could possible think of. He's even worse than Baby Rosalina and Pink Gold Peach to me, and they're the two worst additions to the Mario verse that have ever been conceived. I wouldn't even begin to be able to fathom how he could get in over Dark Samus or Dark Link, either.
Don't be ridiculous. Dark Pit and Pink Gold Peach and Ghirahim are much more deserving characters over the likes of, say, Medusa, Paper Mario, Isaac, Pig Ganon, Porky, Ridley, K. Rool...

(I'm fairly confident in Ridley and K. Rool, though I'm incredibly nervous over the rest)
 

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Don't be ridiculous. Dark Pit and Pink Gold Peach and Ghirahim are much more deserving characters over the likes of, say, Medusa, Paper Mario, Isaac, Pig Ganon, Porky, Ridley, K. Rool...
I hope this is sarcasm. :p
 
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Don't be ridiculous. Dark Pit and Pink Gold Peach and Ghirahim are much more deserving characters over the likes of, say, Medusa, Paper Mario, Isaac, Pig Ganon, Porky, Ridley, K. Rool...

(I'm fairly confident in Ridley and K. Rool, though I'm incredibly nervous over the rest)
I know you're being sarcastic but those characters you mentined besides k. rool and ridley are actually way more better choices than most of the newcomers we've gotten. Is Sakurai high when making these decisions in newcomers or does he really not care if this game has a bad roster compared to the previous installments?
 

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Don't be ridiculous. Dark Pit and Pink Gold Peach and Ghirahim are much more deserving characters over the likes of, say, Medusa, Paper Mario, Isaac, Pig Ganon, Porky, Ridley, K. Rool...

(I'm fairly confident in Ridley and K. Rool, though I'm incredibly nervous over the rest)
Hey! Ghirahim is legit! And I've actually never heard anyone support porky until now, interesting... Seriously though k rool better be in
 

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Hey! Ghirahim is legit! And I've actually never heard anyone support porky until now, interesting... Seriously though k rool better be in
I'm sorry, but when I think "potential Zelda newcomer", I think this:

Rather than this:


You should understand my plight. K. Rool was a major reoccurring antagonist to the franchise for a number of games, and then suddenly he's displaced by some oneshot antagonists in the more recent games.

Also they're rather rotund, kings of monsters, and assume tons of disguises.
 
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Here's my mini-essay on why I feel King K. Rool's Crown Toss should be a Side Special:
King K. Rool's Crown Toss as a Side Smash Move.

King K. Rool's Crown Toss is one of his most well known moves and is remembered from Donkey Kong Country, a very important game in Nintendo's history. Many argue that the Crown Toss should be King K. Rool's Neutral B, but I feel as a Side Smash would be better.

When King K. Rool brings out his Crown Toss as a Side Smash, he charges depends on how long and how much damage he wants to do with another character. Once he is ready to throw, King K. Rool then throws his Crown Toss which reaches it's sweet spots anywhere from two to four seconds depending on how long King K. Rool charges his Crown Toss. The Crown Toss is thrown in a straight line just like in the game or it can be thrown diagonally.

The goal of this move depends on how long the Crown Toss is. If the Crown Toss is released immediately after the Side Smash button is used, the move can be used to trap the opponent while King K. Rool can come in and do extra damage. Releasing the Crown Toss at it's full potential, however, allows for good KOs potential and can be used for knocking opponents off the stage just when they are trying to recover.

It's not hard to see why Crown Toss should be a Side Smash, because it would allow for King K. Rool to have one Special move from another game such as the Blunderbuss as a Neutral and as such. With the Crown Toss being a Side Smash, King K. Rool's iconic move is still present and is being used to the best of its potential.
 

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I'm sorry, but when I think "potential Zelda newcomer", I think this:

Rather than this:


You should understand my plight. K. Rool was a major reoccurring antagonist to the franchise for a number of games, and then suddenly he's displaced by some oneshot antagonists in the more recent games.

Also they're rather rotund, kings of monsters, and assume tons of disguises.
You know until you posted that picture of Ganon I hadn't really thought of him as all that successful of a playable newcomer, but a big hulking beast somewhat similar to Bowser as a newcomer, count me in for that!

As for Ghirahim's potential inclusion, I don't exactly have a problem with it even though he is a one note character for the time being (And probably always will be honestly). If the trophy theory still holds then Fi would hint at a Skyward Sword character and really only Ghirahim feels that spot. He's not the best choice of newcomer and if he is in over other characters I'll be disappointed, but I'd at least like to believe that he would be a little more unique than just another generic sword user to the line-up.

And then on topic for King K. Rool I'm totally in support of his inclusion, Donkey Kong probably should get another rep seeing as the series is now as underrepresented as Metroid in comparison to several of the other franchises. I'm always in support of more villains on the roster as they tend to bring some more unique ways of play to the table. A big heavy King K. Rool that plays sluggishly but with a super powerful move set would be great. He's easily my second most desired newcomer (only behind Ridley) and I really hope to see his inclusion in the game.

Also I've been reading on here for the past couple of days trying to get myself increasingly hyped and finally decided to join the discussion because it always feels great to talk about Smash!
 

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I know you're being sarcastic but those characters you mentined besides k. rool and ridley are actually way more better choices than most of the newcomers we've gotten. Is Sakurai high when making these decisions in newcomers or does he really not care if this game has a bad roster compared to the previous installments?
Marketing: save the best for last.
It is simple stuff, but there is a strong reason for this.

String people along (the core fans) to wait until the end for the characters they wanted most, while introducing new fans (those of Little Mac, Megaman, the people revealed already) into Smash Bros.
It also makes the candidates stronger and stronger, rather than weaker and weaker.
Would it have been better to get the fan favorites- Mewtwo, Ridley, King K Rool, first-- and then end with Wii Fit Trainer, Mii, Rosalina, and Greninja?
No. That is resentment and poor planning.
Finish big. Start smaller.
 
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Marketing: save the best for last.
It is simple stuff, but there is a strong reason for this.

String people along (the core fans) to wait until the end for the characters they wanted most, while introducing new fans (those of Little Mac, Megaman, the people revealed already) into Smash Bros.
It also makes the candidates stronger and stronger, rather than weaker and weaker.
Would it have been better to get the fan favorites- Mewtwo, Ridley, King K Rool, first-- and then end with Wii Fit Trainer, Mii, Rosalina, and Greninja?
No. That is resentment and poor planning.
FInish big. Start smaller.
With some big names like Mega Man or Little Mac sprinkled here and there. You don't want people to abandon you early on.
 

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I support King K. Rool but to me he's not exactly the most likely. I feel characters like Ridley and Shulk are more likely. The lack of DK content is suspicious though. I would not be surprised if he or Dixie shows up.
I don't think a 4th generic anime newcomer is all too likely (and 4th newcomer who uses a sword). I'd find the main villain of Nintendo's 4th most successful and populer IP to be more likely than that.
 

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I'm sorry, but when I think "potential Zelda newcomer", I think this:

Rather than this:


You should understand my plight. K. Rool was a major reoccurring antagonist to the franchise for a number of games, and then suddenly he's displaced by some oneshot antagonists in the more recent games.

Also they're rather rotund, kings of monsters, and assume tons of disguises.
I don't think ghirahim would displace k rool, I think k rool ought to get in any way. No one should take the kings spot
Edit: what villains do you guys think should be in a villain trailer.
 
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Marketing: save the best for last.
It is simple stuff, but there is a strong reason for this.

String people along (the core fans) to wait until the end for the characters they wanted most, while introducing new fans (those of Little Mac, Megaman, the people revealed already) into Smash Bros.
It also makes the candidates stronger and stronger, rather than weaker and weaker.
Would it have been better to get the fan favorites- Mewtwo, Ridley, King K Rool, first-- and then end with Wii Fit Trainer, Mii, Rosalina, and Greninja?
No. That is resentment and poor planning.
FInish big. Start smaller.
That's true, I just hope what you say ends up being true and we don't end up getting one or two more reveal trailers with a bunch of unwanted characters.
 

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That's true, I just hope what you say ends up being true and we don't end up getting one or two more reveal trailers with a bunch of unwanted characters.
That's been a worry of mine for a long time. I just want some closure already. It's been over three years since the game was announced, and I've been agonizing about it since.
 
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Guys how about chunky Kong as a fighter instead of k rool. And k rool is an assist trophey?
 

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Hello my fellow Kremling fans. I, also known as NathanVS, come from the DK Vine forums to show my support for the Kremling King. My love for the DK series runs very deep, and I have hope that Sakurai will represent the franchise with as much love and care as the wonderful Fire Emblem franchise in Smash Bros. Please, add me to your list of kutthroats. Thank You.
 

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I don't think ghirahim would displace k rool, I think k rool ought to get in any way. No one should take the kings spot
Edit: what villains do you guys think should be in a villain trailer.
Easy!

Bowser, Ganondorf, Mewtwo from Melee
Wolf, Wario, Meta Knight, King Dedede from Brawl........I know they really aren't Villains, but they're antagonistic

SSB4's Villains should be:
Ridley, King K.Rool, Medusa
 
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