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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

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K. Rool doesn't really seem sensible as a boss when you think about it, I mean, it's not impossible, but yeah - He's not on the same size or level of what we's seen so far, or heck, assuming the Shark from Animal Crossing, irrelevant.

(Yes, I know Ridley's relevant, quiet you.)
A better description would be characters expected to be playable. Only Ridley could really fit that description and he does make sense as a massive boss, as much as we all hate to admit it. K. Rool doesn't and unless he's a mid-level boss in Smash Run/SSE, I can't really see him working (and it'd be weird to even see a mid-level boss).
 

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The size argument is awful and subjective and always will be. Years of sitting through TooBigotry has taught me this. That being said, I think having a giant K. Rool boss towering over Bowser would be worse than just about anything that could happen with Ridley. He's not -that- girthy.
 

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I agree with most of your points except this one. You couldn't have DKC3 without Dixie, she was the main character of the game. If you mean, she could have just been replaced (like she was in 64), you could say the same thing about K. Rool (as he was in Returns and Tropical Freeze). And comparing Dixie to Sheik is unfair. Dixie is way more important to the DK franchise than Sheik is to Zelda. Sheik was in ONE game.

Dixie is important to not only the DK franchise, but to Nintendo as well. Rare took a big risk by benching the star of its first and second game to feature Dixie in DKC3. She had her own game before Princess Peach! The DKC trilogy is the major benchmark when it comes to DK, and Dixie is a main part of that, being more playable than DK himself. The games could not have been easily done without her.
Exactly! I think some K. Rool supporters are sometimes too hard on Dixie. She would be a great newcomer and has an important legacy in the DK series. I would be happy to see her. But K. Rool takes priority for me because he "needs" it more than she does. She's actually in one of the new games!
 

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Exactly! I think some K. Rool supporters are sometimes too hard on Dixie. She would be a great newcomer and has an important legacy in the DK series. I would be happy to see her. But K. Rool takes priority for me because he "needs" it more than she does. She's actually in one of the new games!
Love the one with Dixie and the King. Who says there can't be 4 DK reps?
 

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The same people who impart their, err, wisdom unto us that there cannot be six Pokemon "reps" in the game, therefore Mewtwo is screwed.
Honestly, I think more than six Pokemon - especially if Pokken Fighter is a real thing - is over-saturation for a franchise. In fact, I think more than six reps for ANY franchise is over-saturation for that franchise. Just my opinion, of course, but I don't see Mewtwo being screwed just 'cause there's an over-saturation there in the Pokemon corner. Though, I won't be surprised if Mewtwo gets left out again.

Anyway, long live the King!
 

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Just posted this comment on YouTube. Since I'm a huge K. Rool supporter, thought I'd share.

At this current point DKC is extremely underrepresented in Smash. In Brawl, sure, two reps was okay, but the series has been rebooted, with both games being huge successes. There are only two logical choices for a new character from the series (which it is definitely deserving of).

1. Dixie: I'll give people this, she was brought back in TF, which gives her new found relevancy, something K. Rool doesn't really have...sorta. But we'll get to that soon enough. But other than that, and being female (which Sakurai loves this time around) that"s it. Because the main thing he is looking for, is uniqueness. Dixie could potentially have a moveset revolving her hair (not doubting the genius of Sakurai after he made a WFT moveset), but when compared to K. Rool, who is both a villain (something Smash is extremely lacking) and has extreme moveset potential, she doesn't really compare.

2. King K. Rool: Lets see what K Rool has going for him:
-Being a villain, something Smash is lacking even moreso than females.
-Being important to the series, sure Dixie was important to the past games, but they could have very easily done well without her. K Rool is the main villain. Use this as an analogy, if you had to pick one character to be in Smash 4 (not based on if you use them or not, but based on their importantness to the LoZ franchise) who would it be? Ganondorf or Sheik? Most would answer Ganondorf, because he's the main villain, as opposed to Sheik, who Smash (and TLoZ) could easily do without.
-Moveset potential, real quick, look up all K Rool. boss battles in DK games. Then look up Dixie in playable form in DK games. Which looks to easily have more moveset potential?....exactly.
-Being somewhat referenced in Smash 4, everyone by now knows that the Kritters are enemies in Smash Run. What does this do for K. Rool? Lots actually. Now if the Kremlings were an enemy that commonly appeared in modern DK games, then this wouldn't be a huge deal (probably wouldnt be bringing this up right now). But this is an enemy...no no...race that hasn't been referenced since 2008 in Mario Super Sluggers. (And I don't even know how long since they've appeared in a DK game..) That was brought back suddenly, for "no good reason." Now I don't know if this directly affects KKR's chances, but it definitely helps that his race was magically revived for the occasion..
-Sakurai KNOWS, Sakurai knows about most characters being requested for Smash...if he knows about Waluigi and Ridely, then he knows about K. Rool. Kind of tying in to what I said above, why would he bring them back, if there's no major importance to K. Rool in the game? He revived the race, so why not their heavily requested, unique, villainous, iconic, and hype-building leader?
-And just to add one more point, Sakurai NEEDS hyped characters to announce at E3. Other than Ridley (who's incredibly debatable at this point), Mewtwo (if we're getting 6 Pokemon reps, because Jiggs ain't getting cut), Shulk (which there are mixed opinions about), or mabye Pac-man (see previous), The one major (first party) rep to get many people incredibly hyped would be K Rool.

Welp...on to Smashboards..
A tear is falling down my face, akin to if I witnessed am Eagle dance with a Swan.
 
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The size argument is awful and subjective and always will be. Years of sitting through TooBigotry has taught me this. That being said, I think having a giant K. Rool boss towering over Bowser would be worse than just about anything that could happen with Ridley. He's not -that- girthy.
I should have explained it better. What I was trying to say is that the reason why Ridley was able to work as a boss was because every end boss we've seen so far in SSE and now stage bosses like Yellow Devil and (probably) Ridley has had giant, sweeping hitboxes and because we have seen Ridley as big and massive before, he is able to work as a massive boss, despite it being far from the ideal position he should be in (which is playable). K. Rool on the other hand, while bigger than DK, has never really been put into a position where he could feasibly work as a SSE-like boss with massive, sweeping hitboxes and from what we've seen of stage bosses, that remains the case (although that's not to say it can't change). I'm not saying that the size argument should or would be a reason for making Ridley a stage boss and not K. Rool; which was not my intention.

Also, that Miiverse picture with K. Rool and Dixie as playable was amazing. DK, Diddy, K. Rool, and Dixie, the perfect Donkey Kong character cast for Smash.
 

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I should have explained it better. What I was trying to say is that the reason why Ridley was able to work as a boss was because every end boss we've seen so far in SSE and now stage bosses like Yellow Devil and (probably) Ridley has had giant, sweeping hitboxes and because we have seen Ridley as big and massive before, he is able to work as a massive boss, despite it being far from the ideal position he should be in (which is playable). K. Rool on the other hand, while bigger than DK, has never really been put into a position where he could feasibly work as a SSE-like boss with massive, sweeping hitboxes and from what we've seen of stage bosses, that remains the case (although that's not to say it can't change). I'm not saying that the size argument should or would be a reason for making Ridley a stage boss and not K. Rool; which was not my intention.

Also, that Miiverse picture with K. Rool and Dixie as playable was amazing. DK, Diddy, K. Rool, and Dixie, the perfect Donkey Kong character cast for Smash.
Firstly, he is huge in DK64
Secondly, if he were in his Big Ol' Boat, it would serve him well as an end boss.

Not that I want to see that happen.
 

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This is the key point right here. It's all dependent on how important you think Ridley's size actually is. Some people see him as a giant mother****ing space dragon, others see him as a mother****ing space dragon who yeah I guess is kind of big I never really cared much. Honestly I'm more of the former, but a lot of people would disagree with that point and want him in anyway, which is why it baffles me that he isn't in the game.
 

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This is the key point right here. It's all dependent on how important you think Ridley's size actually is. Some people see him as a giant mother****ing space dragon, others see him as a mother****ing space dragon who yeah I guess is kind of big I never really cared much. Honestly I'm more of the former, but a lot of people would disagree with that point and want him in anyway, which is why it baffles me that he isn't in the game.
I mean, preferences are preferences, but character-wise, no one on this forum can definitively say that anything can or cannot "work," which was what I'm getting at. Ridley can "work" as a character, a boss, a stage even, it all depends on the director's vision. Ditto with K. Rool...it's just my opinion that the liberties that would be taken to shoehorn him in as a gargantuan boss would be a disservice to the character and his fans.
 

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I forget, did K. Rool have a tail in Sluggers? Actually scratch that, what is his overall tail to tailess ratio in all the games he's been in?
 

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I forget, did K. Rool have a tail in Sluggers? Actually scratch that, what is his overall tail to tailess ratio in all the games he's been in?
I think he has had his tail in all the original DKC and D64. I'de imagine he would have his tail if he got in, if not simply to add possibilities to his A moves.
 

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He had a tail in the entire DKC trilogy in addition to DK64. It was noticeably shorter in DKC3 but it was definitely there.

 

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He had a tail in the entire DKC trilogy in addition to DK64. It was noticeably shorter in DKC3 but it was definitely there.

K.Rool has such an awkward body build in some ways. It's a little hard to imagine him running around in smash bros. Probably just because the angle he was always shown in the old DKC games mad him look look very much like an egg shape. It makes me wonder if we would see and update version of him like from Sluggers, but with his cape and crown. It will be a little weird to see DK being the same height as K.Rool and I just hope Sakurai doesn't let that size issue stop him from making K.Rool a character. I don't see a huge issue with it, but you never know with Sakurai.
 

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K.Rool has such an awkward body build in some ways. It's a little hard to imagine him running around in smash bros. Probably just because the angle he was always shown in the old DKC games mad him look look very much like an egg shape. It makes me wonder if we would see and update version of him like from Sluggers, but with his cape and crown. It will be a little weird to see DK being the same height as K.Rool and I just hope Sakurai doesn't let that size issue stop him from making K.Rool a character. I don't see a huge issue with it, but you never know with Sakurai.
I could see them turning to Retro for assistance in this matter, or at least for ideas. There's an old rumor floating around about that, but not sure what ever came out of that.
 

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I could see them turning to Retro for assistance in this matter, or at least for ideas. There's an old rumor floating around about that, but not sure what ever came out of that.
What was that rumor? Please go into greater detail here.
 

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What was that rumor? Please go into greater detail here.
The very, very first GameFAQs leak that came out about Smash 4 said that K. Rool was one of the first four characters added, sporting a new design made by Retro Studios. The leak also said that Animal Crossing characters were off-the-table, and that there would be a "fat new dinosaur named Debu" from the new Yoshi's Island game included.
 
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The very, very first GameFAQs leak that came out about Smash 4 said that K. Rool was one of the first four characters added, sporting a new design made by Retro Studios. The leak also said that Animal Crossing characters were off-the-table, and that there would be a "fat new dinosaur named Debu" from the new Yoshi's Island game included.
Well, I guess the fact that it is immediately debunked by villager makes it sad; but what would Retro have done, any more word on it or not?
Also on that note, I thought that Yoshi Character was allegedly in Yarn Yoshi
 
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Well, I guess the fact that it is immediately debunked by villager makes it sad; but what would Retro have done, any more word on it or not?
Also on that note, I thought that Yoshi Character was allegedly in Yarn Yoshi
Yeah, here is a short summary of the leak on SmashWiki:
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Rumor#Namco_worker_rumor

The fact that we are talking about leaks in the King K. Rool support thread shows that K. Rool just leaks of potential. :p
 

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The very, very first GameFAQs leak that came out about Smash 4 said that K. Rool was one of the first four characters added, sporting a new design made by Retro Studios. The leak also said that Animal Crossing characters were off-the-table, and that there would be a "fat new dinosaur named Debu" from the new Yoshi's Island game included.
Debu actually ended up appearing Super Mario 3D World. Though the name was changed to "Plessie." :troll:
 

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I wonder if the reasoning for K.Rool wasn't in Brawl was because of the falling out with Rare? I understand him not being in Melee as with all the clones added in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt have time to add him in (Doctor Mario could of been an alt costume, but was probably made to be a character to make the roster larger.). In Brawl, Sakurai might of felt it would be bad timing to put K.Rool in, worrying that nintendo might not want to use the character anymore (when did Rare break off from nintendo anyways, am I talking out of my ass again?).

This time around, some time has passed and K.Rool was put in Mario Sluggers, so maybe Sakurai would feel a little better about trying to include K.Rool this time around to hopefully bring him back up to his main Nintendo villain status.
 

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I wonder if the reasoning for K.Rool wasn't in Brawl was because of the falling out with Rare? I understand him not being in Melee as with all the clones added in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if they didnt have time to add him in (Doctor Mario could of been an alt costume, but was probably made to be a character to make the roster larger.). In Brawl, Sakurai might of felt it would be bad timing to put K.Rool in, worrying that nintendo might not want to use the character anymore (when did Rare break off from nintendo anyways, am I talking out of my *** again?).

This time around, some time has passed and K.Rool was put in Mario Sluggers, so maybe Sakurai would feel a little better about trying to include K.Rool this time around to hopefully bring him back up to his main Nintendo villain status.
We'd not have gotten Diddy in Brawl if that were the case.
 

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Very true. Though I thought Diddy was used in Double Dash and other Mario Sport games, so I always assumed nintendo never had an issue using him. Every since Rare left, K.Rool hasn't seen much light so I was sort of starting to think Nintendo wanted to avoid using him for awhile (until I found out he was in sluggers for a cameo anyways).
 

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Very true. Though I thought Diddy was used in Double Dash and other Mario Sport games, so I always assumed nintendo never had an issue using him. Every since Rare left, K.Rool hasn't seen much light so I was sort of starting to think Nintendo wanted to avoid using him for awhile (until I found out he was in sluggers for a cameo anyways).
What you consider a "cameo," I consider "playable." :p
 

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What you consider a "cameo," I consider "playable." :p
Haha yes yes, sorry, bad use of terms on my part. Still, is a crime that K.Rool became so ignored. I played so many Donkey Kong games as a child he became one of my favorite villains.

The only cameo appearance I remember Rool having was in Donkey Konga, where he appeared in a minigame.
Wasn't he also playable in that DK racing game? Was that made by Rare?
 

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Ah I see. I didnt play many DK games after DK64 so I am not sure which games were made by Rare afterwards. It's sad to think that had Rare stayed with nintendo things could of been vastly different. Probably could of seen Banjo in smash as well as K.Rool by the time of Brawl.
 

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He had a tail in the entire DKC trilogy in addition to DK64. It was noticeably shorter in DKC3 but it was definitely there.

The whole reason he lost his tail in the Paon games was most likely due to technical difficulties and the low-budget developers not wanting clipping issues. While a low-effort trophy K. Rool probably wouldn't have a tail, a high-quality playable K. Rool probably would, since inspiration would be taken from the Rare titles for his attacks anyhow.
 

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Well, his tail certainly would not be needed for attacks, he has a huge arsenal there. Visually, I would want it. Just one more tailed bunny-tanooki.
 

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I agree with most of your points except this one. You couldn't have DKC3 without Dixie, she was the main character of the game. If you mean, she could have just been replaced (like she was in 64), you could say the same thing about K. Rool (as he was in Returns and Tropical Freeze). And comparing Dixie to Sheik is unfair. Dixie is way more important to the DK franchise than Sheik is to Zelda. Sheik was in ONE game.

Dixie is important to not only the DK franchise, but to Nintendo as well. Rare took a big risk by benching the star of its first and second game to feature Dixie in DKC3. She had her own game before Princess Peach! The DKC trilogy is the major benchmark when it comes to DK, and Dixie is a main part of that, being more playable than DK himself. The games could not have been easily done without her.
Sheik was in more than one game: OoT, OoT MQ, OoT 3D, and Collector's Addition
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Well, his tail certainly would not be needed for attacks, he has a huge arsenal there. Visually, I would want it. Just one more tailed bunny-tanooki.
It certainly could be used, however, if developers saw potential in it. Tail whips are cliche in Smash by now, but then again, so are sex kick N-Airs and punching jabs.
 

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It certainly could be used, however, if developers saw potential in it. Tail whips are cliche in Smash by now, but then again, so are sex kick N-Airs and punching jabs.
You know what would be interesting? If King K. Rool had a jab like Captain Falcon's, instead of punching, he throws two punches with alternating hands and then snaps his jaws in different directions, then his finishing attack is a belly slam.
 

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Tell me this. Does bringing back long forgotten enemies, but neglecting to bring their leader (literally) into play make sense? I don't think so.
King Kihunter Konfirmed.

Seriously though, I'd like to be added to the supporter list. K. Rool does have a very good chance of being in.
 

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I mean, we havnt gotten any of the most requested characters yet, except Megaman. I cannot believe NONE would be fan service.
 

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Little Mac is like a B or C of how wanted characters were.
Are we seriously gonna put Little Mac against Ridley, K Rool, Mewtwo, etc? The heavy hitters of popularity?

To answer the above, most people wanted an AC character not villager. And Rosalina definitely catered to a very specific crowd, not at all even the top Mario character people wanted.
 
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