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http://strawpoll.me/5805865
A poll with a somewhat strange, but unique twist
A poll with a somewhat strange, but unique twist
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As you can see, the secret one are obviously Toadette, Jr, Dry B. and ... Sprixie. Really?
No Diddy either. Whatever, had no desire to get this anyway. I'll stick to Power Tennis.
It's seem that K.Rool (and even Diddy) won't be in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash....
Here is the picture of despair:
As you can see, the secret one are obviously Toadette, Jr, Dry B. and ... Sprixie. Really?
I have a hard time believing that there will be no Diddy. If true, then who will DK's default partner be? I'm starting to suspect that this isn't the full roster.
It's seem that K.Rool (and even Diddy) won't be in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash....
Here is the picture of despair:
As you can see, the secret one are obviously Toadette, Jr, Dry B. and ... Sprixie. Really?
Dixie was in both Baseball spinoffs as well as that basketball one for the DS. Not much, but she was there.K. Rool has a long way to go before he starts showing up in Mario spinoffs.
Remember, even Dixie hasn't made a single appearance that I know of and sometimes even Diddy misses out.
I have a hard time believing that there will be no Diddy. If true, then who will DK's default partner be? I'm starting to suspect that this isn't the full roster.
Diddy was even in Mario Golf World Tour and Mario Tennis Open, so it's baffling that he may miss out on Ultra Smash.
As for Sprixie, it just seems like Honey Queen (Mario Kart) and Spike (Mario Party), bottom of the barrel characters over established ones.
I hope that's not all the characters. Power tennis seemed to have tons more.
It's a Mario thing in general - it affected some of the costume choices in Super Mario Maker, as well. I've started referring to it as Mario Roster Syndrome (it was "Mario Kart Roster Syndrome" before Super Mario Maker showed up).Nintendo plays WAY too safe on character rosters for their sport/racing games. Lately.
It's seem that K.Rool (and even Diddy) won't be in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash....
Here is the picture of despair:
As you can see, the secret one are obviously Toadette, Jr, Dry B. and ... Sprixie. Really?
This is the very definition of the aforementioned Mario Roster Syndrome. Well-known characters are being cut in favour of unnecessary bottom-of-the-barrel choices (usually stage enemies or one-time characters that aren't very well-known yet and may never be), items that should be power-ups being made into characters on the roster, with selectable skins for some characters being given their own roster slot even though other skins do share roster slots with the character they're for.With how homogeneous the roster for Mario spinoffs have gotten, K. Rool hasn't got a prayer. If Diddy can't be in, there's no chance for Rool.
I don't, sadly. He's been cut from two Mario Kart games running, at this stage. It doesn't seem like a stretch to believe he'll be sponged out of Mario Tennis, too.I have a hard time believing that there will be no Diddy.
I completely agree. I actually had to look up what on Earth a Sprixie is, as I never played the game they're from (I simply wasn't interested in tethering to a home-console for a game that's similar to one I've already played on my 3DS, in this instance).As for Sprixie, it just seems like Honey Queen (Mario Kart) and Spike (Mario Party), bottom of the barrel characters over established ones.
Part of me wants to venture a guess that the oft-rumoured Miyamoto-bias may have something to do with it. Any recent Mario game that he has any control over seems to be quite pedestrian, and very locked into specific conventions. There is far less expansion of that universe allowed than there used to be.I swear since NEW Super Mario Bros. Wii, Nintendo has had a serious issue with mixing up their style with anything Mario. It's been the SAME old simple art style and little to no shadow depth. I hope now that Nintendo is comfy with Donkey Kong they don't put him down the same road. Looking at tropical freeze and returns, it feels that way.
That's probably the only positive to it.One silver lining to Diddy's absence: it comes off as even more desperate reaching when people dismiss DK as a Mario spin-off that "is fine with just DK and Diddy" in Smash because of trivial sports titles.
this is very obviously not the final roster. its less than both of the previous tennis games, and camelot always delivers good rosters.
It's seem that K.Rool (and even Diddy) won't be in Mario Tennis Ultra Smash....
Here is the picture of despair:
As you can see, the secret one are obviously Toadette, Jr, Dry B. and ... Sprixie. Really?
Yep I agree on thisthis is very obviously not the final roster. its less than both of the previous tennis games, and camelot always delivers good rosters.
and as for how the roster is "disappointing" because we have characters like sprixie: we'll never get more recurring characters if all we get is the core mario cast and some recurring side characters in every game. sprixie is an addition thats similar to petey piranha's after sunshine, only its taken longer for her to appear as playable.
theres also the fact that, if i remember correctly, mario kart 8 had roughly the same amount of development time, maybe a little bit more, and it still delivered a 30 character roster with only a handful of characters that had similar models to existing ones. their main focus was the courses, clearly, but with this game seemingly having the same court with a different floor (not necessarily something i like, but if it means what im going to say, then ill take it), it might be the opposite of mk8 with them having spent a ton of time on character models and we could be looking at a roster potentially nearing 30 characters. a little hopeful, but i still have no doubts we'll at least get more than 20.Yep I agree on this
ctually, since it's in official press footage I can post this image, however there is something curious to point out
almost all the icons for everyone(with Rosa as a newcomer being an exception) are placeholders from previous titles(that Waluigi one is 12 years old), that indicates that this likely is NOT the final build. now the other 2 things are it's clearly built for 2 more rows, an additional slot, and possibly even another column. While Nintendo's been making some crappy roster decisions lately, this could be pointing to a further character/content roll-out like Mario Golf Open Tour, Smash, and Splatoon as a result of the obviously rushed launch. Even with Camelot's HD hurdles, the fact that all the standard mook enemies already have HD models, and the fact the roster currently has 3 less characters than the full roster(including transfer characters) of the original game from what 15 years now?
I can say we hope and don't think this is over. So going by the layout, we have 7 character slots without adding a column, and it goes up to 15 with another Column which is easily doable. Honestly, this one seems likely since unlike say smash, while each character does have unique animations, balancing is extremely quick since it's merely a stat change rather than a new moveset.
Well, Wait see and hope I guess
this is very obviously not the final roster. its less than both of the previous tennis games, and camelot always delivers good rosters.
and as for how the roster is "disappointing" because we have characters like sprixie: we'll never get more recurring characters if all we get is the core mario cast and some recurring side characters in every game. sprixie is an addition thats similar to petey piranha's after sunshine, only its taken longer for her to appear as playable.
I hope you guys are right. The game has some features that could be potentially interesting, especially if the Amiibo support extends to learning-AI players like Smash 3DS/Wii U has, and it'd be good if it didn't become the next Mario Roster Syndrome victim.Yep I agree on this
ctually, since it's in official press footage I can post this image, however there is something curious to point out
almost all the icons for everyone(with Rosa as a newcomer being an exception) are placeholders from previous titles(that Waluigi one is 12 years old), that indicates that this likely is NOT the final build. now the other 2 things are it's clearly built for 2 more rows, an additional slot, and possibly even another column. While Nintendo's been making some crappy roster decisions lately, this could be pointing to a further character/content roll-out like Mario Golf Open Tour, Smash, and Splatoon as a result of the obviously rushed launch. Even with Camelot's HD hurdles, the fact that all the standard mook enemies already have HD models, and the fact the roster currently has 3 less characters than the full roster(including transfer characters) of the original game from what 15 years now?
I can say we hope and don't think this is over. So going by the layout, we have 7 character slots without adding a column, and it goes up to 15 with another Column which is easily doable. Honestly, this one seems likely since unlike say smash, while each character does have unique animations, balancing is extremely quick since it's merely a stat change rather than a new moveset.
Well, Wait see and hope I guess
i really dont get the whole "mario roster syndrome" thing. the only roster to really suffer from poor choices was mario kart 8's, and that was probably a combination of the courses and the koopalings (though that doesnt explain the awful dlc minus dry bowser). mario kart 7 i could see potentially being considered awful, but waluigi was planned and only got cut because of time restraints. it had some questionable roster choices (honey queen mostly, and also wiggler being in such a small roster (metal mario im assuming is the result of a cut waluigi)), but thats how games make a name for themselves among the ocean of mario sports titles. if they added characters like waluigi, diddy, and bowser jr over some of the newcomers, it wouldnt have really stood out among other games.I hope you guys are right. The game has some features that could be potentially interesting, especially if the Amiibo support extends to learning-AI players like Smash 3DS/Wii U has, and it'd be good if it didn't become the next Mario Roster Syndrome victim.
I'd personally love to see that happen, being a fan of the songs in the show.What if we get a DKC stage but it's based on the TV show and Klump and Krusha randomly break into song?
why are you assuming all those characters are replaced by one character? or that removing that one character would allow all of those characters as well as a bunch more to be added? both are pretty far-fetched ideas, seeing as both scenarios are either one original character, or several original characters. sprixie isnt that complex.Possibly cutting Shy Guy, Fly Guy, Petey, Wiggler, Koopa, and Paratroopa (AND DIDDY) in favor of Sprixie.... rly. Why not just keep them all (including DK.Jr from 64)... and add characters like King Boo, Koopalings, and Wart?
Heh, you're sure missing a lot. K. Rool's last appaerance (barring the trophy/Mii costume in Smash) was in Mario Super Sluggers. Dixie was also in several Mario spinoffs, more than Funky has been. She's been in at least 3, I believe Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Superstar Baseball, and Mario Super Sluggers as well.K. Rool has a long way to go before he starts showing up in Mario spinoffs.
Remember, even Dixie hasn't made a single appearance that I know of and sometimes even Diddy misses out.
I should point out that I'm actually very laid-back (it's a "Dedede's lounging on the battlefield in Smash" level of laid-back ) about roster choices in general, be it in Smash, Mario Kart, or whatever else, as long as they're mostly logical, and Mario Roster Syndrome as I define it is actually a half-joking thing.i really dont get the whole "mario roster syndrome" thing. the only roster to really suffer from poor choices was mario kart 8's, and that was probably a combination of the courses and the koopalings (though that doesnt explain the awful dlc minus dry bowser).
This doesn't sound like a positive for Mario Kart 7, honestly - having Honey Queen, Wiggler, and Metal Mario doesn't make that roster stand out and make a name for itself in a positive way. I do think that Lakitu was a good addition, though, since it was fun to see him get a shot on the track instead of being the flagman.mario kart 7 i could see potentially being considered awful, but waluigi was planned and only got cut because of time restraints. it had some questionable roster choices (honey queen mostly, and also wiggler being in such a small roster (metal mario im assuming is the result of a cut waluigi)), but thats how games make a name for themselves among the ocean of mario sports titles. if they added characters like waluigi, diddy, and bowser jr over some of the newcomers, it wouldnt have really stood out among other games.
I'm pretty sure that it's because they've done this in several other games over the course of the last few years - the same reason I joke about Mario Roster Syndrome.why are you assuming all those characters are replaced by one character?
You know, as long as it turns out that way and it doesn't end up just being the DK characters being blotted out of the Mario spin-offs, I'd be happy with that if it meant some new DK spin-offs.That is, UNLESS they're trying to distance DKC and Mario a lot more from one another, so DK will go back to having its own spinoffs instead, with the only crossover character being DK himself.
spike by himself is hardly an example of a mario roster being bad, and i really dont see that as a bad choice. spike has been around for a long time, has recently started to make a lot of appearances, and was a boss in mario party 9. hes on the same level as having dry bones playable in mario kart ds or mario party 7.Mario Party 10 added a new playable character - it was Spike, a random enemy.
Super Mario Maker has some bizarre costume choices that appear to be there for the sake of quantity over quality - perhaps it's just me, but Trampolines, Mahjong tiles, "?" Blocks, and similar, really don't strike me as something appealing that I'd want to throw into a level design and play as. The choices like this stand out purely because most of the rest were so good, though.
well the developers had no way of knowing the roster would be taken so horribly, and like i said, with them needing to stand out, you cant really blame them for trying. at least they didnt add honey queen in mario kart 8, despite that roster being worse.This doesn't sound like a positive for Mario Kart 7, honestly - having Honey Queen, Wiggler, and Metal Mario doesn't make that roster stand out and make a name for itself in a positive way. I do think that Lakitu was a good addition, though, since it was fun to see him get a shot on the track instead of being the flagman.
I'm not sure that removing popular characters who've been present for multiple games, and replacing them with strange choices that are widely perceived as odd or bottom-of-the-barrel choices really counts as trying to stand out, personally. I wouldn't blame them for trying, but I'm not entirely sure they did.well the developers had no way of knowing the roster would be taken so horribly, and like i said, with them needing to stand out, you cant really blame them for trying.
I completely agree. That would've been pretty terrible.at least they didnt add honey queen in mario kart 8, despite that roster being worse.
i disagree, i think adding those bottom of the barrel choices is what makes it stand out. wiggler and lakitu are undeniably widely-love characters, and while lakitu was a great addition, wiggler just didnt fit with a small roster, though he wasnt really a bad choice per se. metal mario i dont really count because im pretty sure he was the result of waluigi not being in due to time restraints (a 17 character roster would have looked odd with that organization, as well). honey queen is pretty much the only really bad choice (though...to be honest i personally liked her so im sad to see that shes probably not going to appear again because of the mk7 backlash ) that was in the game, but i think it was an attempt at trying to bring more characters out of the galaxy series than just rosalina, similary to how sunshine ended up adding bowser jr, petey, shadow mario, piantas, nokis, and shine sprites into the series as a whole. they just didnt think it would be taken that horribly.I'm not sure that removing popular characters who've been present for multiple games, and replacing them with strange choices that are widely perceived as odd or bottom-of-the-barrel choices really counts as trying to stand out, personally. I wouldn't blame them for trying, but I'm not entirely sure they did.
I completely agree. That would've been pretty terrible.
Dixie was in both Baseball spinoffs as well as that basketball one for the DS. Not much, but she was there.
Seems you guys are correct. I'm well aware about K. Rool in Slugggers, but I did miss Dixie's appearance in basketball.Heh, you're sure missing a lot. K. Rool's last appaerance (barring the trophy/Mii costume in Smash) was in Mario Super Sluggers. Dixie was also in several Mario spinoffs, more than Funky has been. She's been in at least 3, I believe Mario Hoops 3-on-3, Mario Superstar Baseball, and Mario Super Sluggers as well.
With DKC back in the spotlight, yeah, I could see DK characters in Mario spinoffs stop and DK spinoffs start again, probably with Diddy Kong Racing 2 being the headline for that. Mario & Sonic will likely be an exception to the norm, that's a special case anyway.I think we might stop seeing DK characters in Mario spinoffs. Instead, we should ask for DK spinoffs. Diddy Kong Racing 2 is still the best rumor of this generation. And something like a Donkey Kong Strikers would be awesome since Mario would rather insist on the tennis and golf instead of sports with more contact.
Not to mention that a DK spinoff is more likely give us things like Klump. Krusha and even Brash the Bear.
As much as I'd definitely buy a Donkey Kong Tennis myself, in the spirit of wanting to see Diddy Kong Racing 2, considering how that differentiated itself from Mario Kart, I think that I'd prefer to see some titles that aren't just "What Mario Does, But With DK Instead", myself.I'd buy a Donkey Kong Tennis or Donkey Kong Party game.
True. How about DK Wrestling or Boxing then, or is that too similiar to SSB?As much as I'd definitely buy a Donkey Kong Tennis myself, in the spirit of wanting to see Diddy Kong Racing 2, considering how that differentiated itself from Mario Kart, I think that I'd prefer to see some titles that aren't just "What Mario Does, But With DK Instead", myself.
I'd buy that.DK Island Hockey, take the gameplay rough and wild style, like Mutant league style, make the Kongs and Kremlings the primary warring leagues with KSF(Kong Skating Federation) vs the KRA(K.Rool's Rouge Alliance) with both having 2 primary teams with unlockable characters. At it's core it's Hockey, but characters also bring items and tend to battle on the rink. Also 2 bonus teams The SSP(Snowmad Survivor's Patrol) and The MKT(Mushroom Kingdom Travelers, is a hidden team with Mario and a couple other characters)
Bonus modes involve full out brawling on the rink, boss fights, and Booby-trapped Rinks. Oh and you can customize rinks with traps(created by K.Rool of course)
Oh, definitely not. We don't need "What Mario does with DK instead." We need DK spinoffs that work, but do their own thing. I'd like to see the pegboard games come back with an improved system, Diddy Kong Racing, and maybe a different DK spinoff that fits better in the context of DKC than just adding DK sports spinoffs. If we get DK sports spinoffs, let's get something unique the Kongs might do for fun on their own, rather than just use real-life sports.As much as I'd definitely buy a Donkey Kong Tennis myself, in the spirit of wanting to see Diddy Kong Racing 2, considering how that differentiated itself from Mario Kart, I think that I'd prefer to see some titles that aren't just "What Mario Does, But With DK Instead", myself.