Blade Knight
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I am a Fire Emblem fan (at least through Ike's games, lol 11-14 all bite ass) and I mean that's a lot of misleading information. Firstly that's ignoring that FE4, to this day, is the best selling Fire Emblem game in terms of profit and that 4 and 5 take place in the same world featuring many of the same characters. My point more was Marth is only the face of the FE series because Melee made him that way. Marth in every way is a wholely unimpressive character and is only noteworthy for his appearances in Smash. Even if Ike's games didn't sell well, and I won't argue they did (though they sold poorly in part due to having no advertising budget), critically they are two of the most well recieved unlike Marth's games. If you wanna talk about poor sales talk to me about FE 11 and 12, which were DS remakes of Marth's games and sold so poorly they didn't even make their budget back and is what caused the FE series to nearly be put on ice. Ike's duo at least made a profit. I honestly don't think Marth is that popular among FE fans, he's popular among Smash fans who later got into FE. Given that the only taste of any of his games that has been seen overseas is Shadow Dragon, a poorly selling game with poor mechanics by series standard I'd question how ever he could be popular among FE fans outside of Japan.
A character being good or bad doesn't equate to if they will stay or leave, I never once claimed that and reducto ad absurdum isn't exactly a convincing point you two. My claim was the notion could be extended to certain characters. Jigglypuff is the only playable pokemon with no significance to the overall series outside of a few appearances in the orginal season or two of the anime. The rest are all poster boys (Pikachu, Lucario), starters or legendaries. Jigglypuff, by and large, is popular because of Smash and in no small part due to her strength in Melee's meta. Marth is the same way, his appearances outside of Japan are minimal and none of his games outside FE3 were particularly critically acclaimed nor sold very well. He is the face of Fire Emblem because thanks to melee he is most of the world's first exposure to the series. His strength in Melee and Brawl helped cement his status as being beloved amongst Smash fans, but to fans who only play the FE series and aren't in Japan? He's barely worthy of a footnote since he is not a prestigious character from well beloved entries. Anecdotal points like 'Well I played them casually as a kid' don't really change any of this because literally anybody with a gamecube did, melee was a huge game in that regard. Their staying power is thanks to Smash, not thanks to popularity stemming from their own games.
It would be foolish to extend this logic to characters like Olimar, Diddy, or Meta Knight who are genuinely beloved from over a decades worth of appearances each in every region which is why I never made such a claim.
A character being good or bad doesn't equate to if they will stay or leave, I never once claimed that and reducto ad absurdum isn't exactly a convincing point you two. My claim was the notion could be extended to certain characters. Jigglypuff is the only playable pokemon with no significance to the overall series outside of a few appearances in the orginal season or two of the anime. The rest are all poster boys (Pikachu, Lucario), starters or legendaries. Jigglypuff, by and large, is popular because of Smash and in no small part due to her strength in Melee's meta. Marth is the same way, his appearances outside of Japan are minimal and none of his games outside FE3 were particularly critically acclaimed nor sold very well. He is the face of Fire Emblem because thanks to melee he is most of the world's first exposure to the series. His strength in Melee and Brawl helped cement his status as being beloved amongst Smash fans, but to fans who only play the FE series and aren't in Japan? He's barely worthy of a footnote since he is not a prestigious character from well beloved entries. Anecdotal points like 'Well I played them casually as a kid' don't really change any of this because literally anybody with a gamecube did, melee was a huge game in that regard. Their staying power is thanks to Smash, not thanks to popularity stemming from their own games.
It would be foolish to extend this logic to characters like Olimar, Diddy, or Meta Knight who are genuinely beloved from over a decades worth of appearances each in every region which is why I never made such a claim.
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