Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[Z25]

#HBC | FrozeηFlame :
- Your defense of pythag in #304 feels off, considering you had him as a confusing town lean in #253. Why not wait a bit to further develop a read?
- Did you ever deliver the results of your read about Jungle Republic theory, offered at #394?
- What's your read on Z25?

#HBC | Red Ryu :
Why the urge to put that 2nd paragraph in your #300 ('granted if you had a gun to my head I think Lore’s reaction is less convincing if you made me pick between the two') when you already made it clear in your 1st paragraph that you read Mac vs Lore as TvsT?

KevinM :
In #274 you said: 'Mac complaining about newer players all scumreading him for being aggressive is biggg vibe.'. Big vibes of what? Town? Scum?

Pythag :
Your question directed at frozen at the end of your #255 was good, but why didn't you asked Tom the same?

Z25 :
Why didn't you vote in #270? Why no vote at all up to that point?

Why such a random question?

I presume you mean as in a normal vote on someone, not the extension?

I literally stated in the thread I hadn’t been on due to a concussion and had to catch up first. I wouldn’t jump on a wagon just to be on one that’s a terrible move

 

[Pythag]

Rajam
1. I prefaced that one argument with (this is wifom) because I want people to know that I'm aware when I'm extending beyond 'proof.'

2. I really wasn't concerned with Tom. I had a town read (or feel, if you prefer) and FF disagreeing with him completely, pinged me. Since FF had not been present at all, I wanted to see where his head was at. Maybe he had just slipped. Tom flipping scum, further proved to me that FF is probably town, as his post smelled more like a town post than a bus.

These are good questions, but I'm wondering why you didn't ask them...on the day of. Are you asking these with the knowledge of D2 yet?

 

[KevinM]

In #274 you said: 'Mac complaining about newer players all scumreading him for being aggressive is biggg vibe.'. Big vibes of what? Town? Scum?

Meant that as in the slang term of “I feel that” nothing pertaining to a particular lean.

 

[Rajam]

I'm open to reconsider my notes, specially the ones from the beginning of D1. But if I'm to believe all of them, then the possible scum teams are:

Mafia Team: Lore - Tom - ???

From my notes (#636), the 3rd mafioso can't be:
- Frozen
- KevinM
- Ryu
- Pythag?

So 3rd mafioso by PoE is either Maven, Raxxel or Z25

Werewolves Team: ??? - ???

Again, from my notes, the team can't be:
- Ryu / Raxxel
- KevinM / Pythag
- KevinM / Raxxel
- Maven / Frozen
- Z25 / Maven

So again by PoE, the WW team is one of this:
- Frozen / Ryu
- Frozen / KevinM
- Frozen / Pythag
- Frozen / Raxxel
- Frozen / Z25
- Ryu / KevinM
- Ryu / Maven
- Ryu / Pythag
- Ryu / Z25
- KevinM / Maven
- KevinM / Z25
- Maven / Pythag
- Maven / Raxxel
- Pythag / Raxxel
- Pythag / Z25
- Raxxel / Z25

Frozen is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
Ryu is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
KevinM is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Maven is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Pythag is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
Raxxel is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Z25 is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams

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VOTE: Z25

Not only is he the most likely scum in the possible scenarios I run above, but also:
- His case on Mac in #270 stinks. In the 1st part, accuses him of considering ppl expendable... so what's Mac gonna do, not make people feel pressured? it's like a case against pressure itself. But what bugs me the most of this post are the end of 2nd + 3rd + 4th paragraphs:

'Sure you could argue that scum wouldn’t do this, but if you were hypothetically scum, defending your post after making it could at least result of some people trusting you more as townie.

Scum could also make that list and used that excuse to try and reverse psychology people. Just because it may seem like the wrong move to make as scum, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be entertained as a little scummy.

People try different tactics all the time as scum, like that time nabe pretended to not be able to speak at all day one and then could magically talk the next day.'

This is the most ****tiest **** ever and I wonder how no one noticed it earlier. It's pure wifom: 'scum could do it, maybe not, but because scum could do it, ye shall be scum too!'. No. It doesn't correlate. scum can vote; would that make anyone who votes scum? It's trying to paint Mac scummy because he's doing stuff scum can do, but that doesn't actually mean Mac is scummy.

All this gets worse considering Z25 kept this reasoning to finally vote against Mac in his last D1 post

More stuff:
No vote against Mac in #270, votes on Mac were:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
So, why not voting? Fear of being too obvious joining his scummates? Fear of going against obv town? Fear of distancing from Lore/Tom (both with only 1 less vote than Mac at that point) at a pivotal moment, and being too obvious maybe in case Lore / Tom flipped that Day?

ok call that a reach, I still think it's legit stuff to think about though. If anything look at the 1st part of my case

Before finishing though: Z25's #393 is more indecisive crap which at the end says nothing and seems like an excuse to go against ayone, either those who went against Brindor, or those who didn't:

'Tbh I’m not sure. I’ll say this, I really dislike the fast dogpile on brinoor. I get why, but it was also really obvious they were noobish due to being new. Sure they could have been scum, but if they were, they could have been pushed aside for a more active and capable target.'

So, was Brindor noobscum or noobtown? This part reads like: 'If you read Brindor as noobscum you were wrong, if you thought he was noobtown you were wrong, because it could've been any, but ya'll wrong'

 

[Rajam]

Frozen bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Ryu bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Kevin bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Pythag bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Raxxel bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

 

[Rajam]

Maven bro you not scum with Z25. Vote him pls?

 

[KevinM]

I’ve BEEN on that Z25 ride baby, you already know my wagon.

Vote Z25

 

[KevinM]

Rajam, you gonna be sticking around now that you’re caught up?

Z25 flips today where is your first look tomorrow?

If reading your post is correct it’s one of

RR/Maven?

Obviously this changes on night kill but gut instinct who’s your next lynch toMorrow

 

[KevinM]

I think another important think to note about the Z25 slot in his extremely aggressive OMGUS on me after my vote is how fast he backed off when he realized Mac/FF were not looking to back him up. Hell in < 40 posts I go from his #1 lynch candidate with Lore behind me and then “either Raxxel or Maven” to

1. Maven
2. Rajam or Me

No mention of Lore (possible buddy? Don’t think so but it’s odd) and zero mention of Raxxel.

I’m all for changing of opinions but the way he quickly shifted opinions when it seemed he was getting pressured for how he reacted to my vote was another giant red flag.

He’s honestly starting to feel like another free bingo space.

 

[Z25]

I think another important think to note about the Z25 slot in his extremely aggressive OMGUS on me after my vote is how fast he backed off when he realized Mac/FF were not looking to back him up. Hell in < 40 posts I go from his #1 lynch candidate with Lore behind me and then “either Raxxel or Maven” to

1. Maven
2. Rajam or Me

No mention of Lore (possible buddy? Don’t think so but it’s odd) and zero mention of Raxxel.

I’m all for changing of opinions but the way he quickly shifted opinions when it seemed he was getting pressured for how he reacted to my vote was another giant red flag.

He’s honestly starting to feel like another free bingo space.

Except I never backed off of you. My vote was on you all day yesterday.

And just because your not at the top of the list, doesn’t mean I buy your town. Hell this further proves my point.


Your going with an inactive player who was playing like trash the past few days, and somehow they can magically form this super well informed opinion of the thread and game, despite being new and inactive?

Nah ngl your pretty dumb if you buy their act. That post is clearly made by a scum mate with way more experience then rajam. I’m even considering you to be that teammate.


Not only have you had a thirst for controlling the lynch but now your ready to go all in on an active when you made a series of rage based posts after the hammer yesterday exepressing your anger towards those slots.

That’s a big flop, and you honesty shouldn’t be allowed to get away with that.

And I don’t want to hear more of your “ my emotion reactions” bull****. Because honesty that’s one of the worst things in mafia imo. It makes no sense on a game or psychological level. Anyway that’s not important, I’m curious to see what the rest of the thread thinks now.

 

[KevinM]

I could go point by point on how contradictory that post is but it’s not worth the effort for the slot that should be lynched today.

 

[KevinM]

Also I’m not going all in on an inactive slot, I’m also not giving Rajam a pass.

You’re who I’m lynching today, point blank just like I’ve said for the last two full game days.

It’s not like Rajams post changed my mind on anything and you trying to insinuate that is laughable. Everything about your posts is a giant red flag and they have been since I called out your slot yesterDay.

 

[KevinM]

Feel free to misrepresent my posts and throw out some more ad hominem defenses though, I’m parking my vote here.

 

[Z25]

Also I’m not going all in on an inactive slot, I’m also not giving Rajam a pass.

You’re who I’m lynching today, point blank just like I’ve said for the last two full game days.

It’s not like Rajams post changed my mind on anything and you trying to insinuate that is laughable. Everything about your posts is a giant red flag and they have been since I called out your slot yesterDay.

Well if that’s the nonsense you believe have fun lynching a townie and letting rajam get away with **** like this and letting rax and maven go free another day.

Your clearly supporting all of them by letting it slide and then you try to make it seem like your right. Your letting the wrong people go free

 

[KevinM]

Bet sounds good.

 

[Pythag]

Z25 that all seems like a lot of heat with no light accompanying it.

Rajam was inactive yes, so was FF. When FF showed up to speak, his scumminess dropped.


You still haven’t addressed a single thing that Rajam said other than “you can’t trust this guy, he’s inactive!”

Or you even saying that his case is SO good, he must be being coached by scum.

Which is it?

 

[Z25]

Z25 that all seems like a lot of heat with no light accompanying it.

Rajam was inactive yes, so was FF. When FF showed up to speak, his scumminess dropped.


You still haven’t addressed a single thing that Rajam said other than “you can’t trust this guy, he’s inactive!”

Or you even saying that his case is SO good, he must be being coached by scum.

Which is it?

A bit of both, (they demonstrated the past few days they barely read shot. Kevin even made a jab at this because it was so ****ing true. But the later is the bigger problem imo.

Answer me this, how does one as a new player go from this:

KevinM would you agree this is scum reaction?

Raxxel - Z25 scum
Lore - Pythag - Tom scummers

there, game solved gg wp
Now help me lynch Raxxel pretty pls
i mean why is day phase still goin

Bolded is just distancing garbage. Text could've ended without it

Kev scum -> Maven scum

One paragraph or so posts with no good content, to:

Finished reading D1. Currently at page 11. Sharing some of my notes:

Frozenflame
His 1st post came in #253. Voted against Lore. Before that, the votecount was:
Tom (3): Maven, Lore, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Mac (2): Brindor, Tom
Ryu (1): pythag
Lore (1): Mac
pythag (1): KevinM
With the day extension happening at that point, I think the push on Lore is hardly a bus. Case looks solid, and the vote had all the time and potential to trigger a real lynch. Frozen not scum with Lore. This idea is fueled in #303
#303: Keeps fueling Lore's lynch. Definitely not scum with Tom/Lore

Red Ryu
Up to #57, then up to #65: Seems like not scum with Raxxel

KevinM
#24: Same question for both Z25 and Brindor, seems like an attempt to ‘hide’ a scummate
#82: Doesn’t seem like a bus against Pythag
#82: The read on Raxxel as newb town seems legit
#272: Votes up to this point, before Kevin moves onto Lore:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Ryu (1): Pythag
Pythag (1): KevinM
Jumping on Lore might mean KevinM not scum with them (Tom/Lore), considering Mac had more votes, the vote on Lore brought back the momentum on Lore again, and considering Z25 was expressing issues against Mac in #270
#325: Town points for Kevin just for being around during deadline
#336: More town points for still being around and deciding to keep the vote on Lore

Lore (Mafia Goon)
#168: Could’ve left #167 alone and had enough reasons to either vote Mac or let it growth, instead in the next post shifts to Ryu. Not scum with him
#186 to #188: Not scum with KevinM. #186 goes hard; #187 leaves him aside a bit, #188 goes back to Kevin
#283: Why the need to make the clarification of Pythag being null?

Maven
#182: Where’s Maven head anyways? Doesn’t pressure Brindor, doesn’t vote Tom (even if he is Tom’s scummate, it would’ve been easy to vote him, since no one was on Tom)
#182: Not scum with Frozen: considering his reputation, don’t think he’d ask him to be replaced
#339: Decides to keep vote on Brindor despite expressing concerns about Lore and the wagon fueling again (Mac voted Lore back in #337)

Pythag
#30 + #31: Small vibes not aligned with Tom
#255: Good question, but why not ask Tom the same?
#284: The Lore read smells, the parenthesis ‘(this is wifom)’ comes as selfdefense in case of Lore’s flip

Raxxel
#92: Town vibes and the shift on Mac seems legit

Z25
#39: Looks like not scum with Maven. More in #41
#270: Case on Mac stinks. Pressure is the tool town has to scumhunt
#270: Votes up to this point:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Ryu (1): Pythag
Pythag (1): KevinM
Why not vote Mac? Why not vote at all? Fear of joining Tom and Lore? Looks like scummate (vote came later in #291)
#393: wishy-washy on Brindor, looks like an excuse to vote on ppl regardless of whether they voted Brindor or not

#HBC | FrozeηFlame :
- Your defense of pythag in #304 feels off, considering you had him as a confusing town lean in #253. Why not wait a bit to further develop a read?
- Did you ever deliver the results of your read about Jungle Republic theory, offered at #394?
- What's your read on Z25?

#HBC | Red Ryu :
Why the urge to put that 2nd paragraph in your #300 ('granted if you had a gun to my head I think Lore’s reaction is less convincing if you made me pick between the two') when you already made it clear in your 1st paragraph that you read Mac vs Lore as TvsT?

KevinM :
In #274 you said: 'Mac complaining about newer players all scumreading him for being aggressive is biggg vibe.'. Big vibes of what? Town? Scum?

Pythag :
Your question directed at frozen at the end of your #255 was good, but why didn't you asked Tom the same?

Z25 :
Why didn't you vote in #270? Why no vote at all up to that point?

To highly in depth analysis of the game. On top of the fact they coincidentally just happened to catch up and post all this after lore the second mafia goon was lynched, leaving one alive.

We know Tom was on that Team as well. Both of them are very experienced players.

No new player could pull this type of content out of thin air on their own.

Their whole wall reads exactly like something I’d expect lore to be doing when breaking down posts. Its not something you would ever see with a newbie.

And I’ve played a lot of games with new players. Their post was definitely formatted by someone else.

I’d bet my own slot in the game on it.

 

[KevinM]

You’re also playing from a false perspective lol... Rajam isn’t new.

 

[KevinM]

Pretty big problem with your theory

 

[Z25]

You’re also playing from a false perspective lol... Rajam isn’t new.

Fine maybe not new but definitely not as experienced as most people here. I’ve missed out on maybe 10 games tops in the past two or so years here, and I have no recollection of them playing.

New or not, your content shouldn’t skyrocket like that

 

[KevinM]

And I’ve played a lot of games with new players. Their post was definitely formatted by someone else.

I’d bet my own slot in the game on it

Posts that are about to age like fine wine for 1000 Alex.

 

[Pythag]

Fine maybe not new but definitely not as experienced as most people here. I’ve missed out on maybe 10 games tops in the past two or so years here, and I have no recollection of them playing.

New or not, your content shouldn’t skyrocket like that

So his formatting and the amount.

still not a single point on why he’s voting you?
His case is airtight? You just have a problem with his activity and how much he’s posted?

 

[KevinM]

#HBC | Red Ryu

Hey man let’s call a truce on your slot for today and you join this ULTRA smooth deluxe wagon. This thing is lean, this thing is mean and in it we will be looking supreme.

 

[Pythag]

Also, if he is the scum, he’s the last one left. The dead mafia can’t communicate with him can they? I might need that to be clarified

 

[Z25]

Wtf Raxxel.....

Why, why are we ending the day early, why do we let Rajam get away with only being caught up to page 5-6, why do we let Maven get away with only making ~4 posts toDay and then getting to lurk.

I’m legitimately ****ing mad

It’s that or Z25 and Raxxel.

I legitimately want this Raxxel slot out of the game after that hammer. It’s so antitown and I’m doing the same **** I did in newbie mafia where I just keep giving the slot pass afternoon pass

I’m mad about it because we have two major question mark slots that are now hitting D3

Rajam being the main offender.
Maven at least put some current viewpoints out there.

Now here’s Kevin’s last string of posts yesterday. Notice how Rax and Rajam we’re putting output ahead of him, and in multiple posts kevin is against their content this game.

Yet he decides to immediately jump onto the wagon of his biggest offender and change gears to me.


Now I don’t know about you guys, but that’s pretty damn contradictory and scummy in my book. If I was such a desired lynch then he should have stuck to it, instead he’s been flip flopping and playing the field.

When one of those slots does something not town looking, he speaks out but doesn’t put his money where his mouth is.

When I speak, I’m pretty much always responded to him by him right away and he’ll state how I should be lynched, but chooses to make a bigger deal of other players.

That sounds like a deliberate setup for future buses if you ask me.

 

[KevinM]

No talking about the game with players who are dead or those who are not playing.

I’m going to assume this means anti town members are not allowed to communicate after being lynched/killed and they are sent to the green room.

 

[Z25]

Also, if he is the scum, he’s the last one left. The dead mafia can’t communicate with him can they? I might need that to be clarified

It’s quite possible they can. I know in past games has been allowed to post in their chat with advice to other members. It doesn’t matter if they are dead, they already know who’s town.

Not to mention lore could has setup something before dying officially.

 

[KevinM]

Once again you’re misrepresenting how this day is being played, I’ve said since the beginning of the day your slot was being lynched. You or RR. You’ve made it clear you’re the correct lynch today. Rajam post has nothing to do with my outlook on your slot.

You can fidget all you want, my outlook of the game hasn’t changed while you’ve jumped around every time you’re in the spotlight. Your slot needs to go

 

[Pythag]

Now here’s Kevin’s last string of posts yesterday. Notice how Rax and Rajam we’re putting output ahead of him, and in multiple posts kevin is against their content this game.

Yet he decides to immediately jump onto the wagon of his biggest offender and change gears to me.


Now I don’t know about you guys, but that’s pretty damn contradictory and scummy in my book. If I was such a desired lynch then he should have stuck to it, instead he’s been flip flopping and playing the field.

When one of those slots does something not town looking, he speaks out but doesn’t put his money where his mouth is.

When I speak, I’m pretty much always responded to him by him right away and he’ll state how I should be lynched, but chooses to make a bigger deal of other players.

That sounds like a deliberate setup for future buses if you ask me.

Did you forget about yesterDay when kevin was all over you? Mac said he wasn’t even convinced, but he would be willing to sheep Kevin on you.

 

[Maven89]

I stopped reading Z25's posts. I'm going to vote for him after Raxxel comes in to explain his quick lynch

 

[KevinM]

Now I don’t know about you guys, but that’s pretty damn contradictory and scummy in my book. If I was such a desired lynch then he should have stuck to it, instead he’s been flip flopping and playing the field.

My vote has literally been on you for two full game Days, I’m convinced you’re just throwing anything out there in the hopes it sticks.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Give me a bit to read up on stuff

 

[Pythag]

KevinM

Ok, Z25 is scum, I’m good with that, especially considering his early posts toDay.
“Dang MAC was my town read”
“Lemme throw shade on maven Rajam and Rax”
“Rajam is inactive lol”

Rajam then comes out of the woodwork, and we see Z25 go all

“Rajam WAS inactive”
“Rajam is being coached”
“Rajam is a new player”
“Kevin is inconsistent”

Yeah I’m good.
Plus Mac’s trust of you. I think all of this puts me over the edge.

What’s he at right now? I don’t want to vote and have Rax quick hammer again.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Fire emblem with roommate working out birthday plans with a friend give me a bit.

 

[Z25]

Finished reading D1. Currently at page 11. Sharing some of my notes:

Frozenflame
His 1st post came in #253. Voted against Lore. Before that, the votecount was:
Tom (3): Maven, Lore, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Mac (2): Brindor, Tom
Ryu (1): pythag
Lore (1): Mac
pythag (1): KevinM
With the day extension happening at that point, I think the push on Lore is hardly a bus. Case looks solid, and the vote had all the time and potential to trigger a real lynch. Frozen not scum with Lore. This idea is fueled in #303
#303: Keeps fueling Lore's lynch. Definitely not scum with Tom/Lore

Red Ryu
Up to #57, then up to #65: Seems like not scum with Raxxel

KevinM
#24: Same question for both Z25 and Brindor, seems like an attempt to ‘hide’ a scummate
#82: Doesn’t seem like a bus against Pythag
#82: The read on Raxxel as newb town seems legit
#272: Votes up to this point, before Kevin moves onto Lore:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Ryu (1): Pythag
Pythag (1): KevinM
Jumping on Lore might mean KevinM not scum with them (Tom/Lore), considering Mac had more votes, the vote on Lore brought back the momentum on Lore again, and considering Z25 was expressing issues against Mac in #270
#325: Town points for Kevin just for being around during deadline
#336: More town points for still being around and deciding to keep the vote on Lore

Lore (Mafia Goon)
#168: Could’ve left #167 alone and had enough reasons to either vote Mac or let it growth, instead in the next post shifts to Ryu. Not scum with him
#186 to #188: Not scum with KevinM. #186 goes hard; #187 leaves him aside a bit, #188 goes back to Kevin
#283: Why the need to make the clarification of Pythag being null?

Maven
#182: Where’s Maven head anyways? Doesn’t pressure Brindor, doesn’t vote Tom (even if he is Tom’s scummate, it would’ve been easy to vote him, since no one was on Tom)
#182: Not scum with Frozen: considering his reputation, don’t think he’d ask him to be replaced
#339: Decides to keep vote on Brindor despite expressing concerns about Lore and the wagon fueling again (Mac voted Lore back in #337)

Pythag
#30 + #31: Small vibes not aligned with Tom
#255: Good question, but why not ask Tom the same?
#284: The Lore read smells, the parenthesis ‘(this is wifom)’ comes as selfdefense in case of Lore’s flip

Raxxel
#92: Town vibes and the shift on Mac seems legit

Z25
#39: Looks like not scum with Maven. More in #41
#270: Case on Mac stinks. Pressure is the tool town has to scumhunt
#270: Votes up to this point:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
Raxxel (2): Rajam, Ryu
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Ryu (1): Pythag
Pythag (1): KevinM
Why not vote Mac? Why not vote at all? Fear of joining Tom and Lore? Looks like scummate (vote came later in #291)
#393: wishy-washy on Brindor, looks like an excuse to vote on ppl regardless of whether they voted Brindor or not

I'm open to reconsider my notes, specially the ones from the beginning of D1. But if I'm to believe all of them, then the possible scum teams are:

Mafia Team: Lore - Tom - ???

From my notes (#636), the 3rd mafioso can't be:
- Frozen
- KevinM
- Ryu
- Pythag?

So 3rd mafioso by PoE is either Maven, Raxxel or Z25

Werewolves Team: ??? - ???

Again, from my notes, the team can't be:
- Ryu / Raxxel
- KevinM / Pythag
- KevinM / Raxxel
- Maven / Frozen
- Z25 / Maven

So again by PoE, the WW team is one of this:
- Frozen / Ryu
- Frozen / KevinM
- Frozen / Pythag
- Frozen / Raxxel
- Frozen / Z25
- Ryu / KevinM
- Ryu / Maven
- Ryu / Pythag
- Ryu / Z25
- KevinM / Maven
- KevinM / Z25
- Maven / Pythag
- Maven / Raxxel
- Pythag / Raxxel
- Pythag / Z25
- Raxxel / Z25

Frozen is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
Ryu is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
KevinM is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Maven is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Pythag is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams
Raxxel is WW in 4 out of 16 possible teams
Z25 is WW in 5 out of 16 possible teams

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VOTE: Z25

Not only is he the most likely scum in the possible scenarios I run above, but also:
- His case on Mac in #270 stinks. In the 1st part, accuses him of considering ppl expendable... so what's Mac gonna do, not make people feel pressured? it's like a case against pressure itself. But what bugs me the most of this post are the end of 2nd + 3rd + 4th paragraphs:

'Sure you could argue that scum wouldn’t do this, but if you were hypothetically scum, defending your post after making it could at least result of some people trusting you more as townie.

Scum could also make that list and used that excuse to try and reverse psychology people. Just because it may seem like the wrong move to make as scum, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be entertained as a little scummy.

People try different tactics all the time as scum, like that time nabe pretended to not be able to speak at all day one and then could magically talk the next day.'

This is the most ****tiest **** ever and I wonder how no one noticed it earlier. It's pure wifom: 'scum could do it, maybe not, but because scum could do it, ye shall be scum too!'. No. It doesn't correlate. scum can vote; would that make anyone who votes scum? It's trying to paint Mac scummy because he's doing stuff scum can do, but that doesn't actually mean Mac is scummy.

All this gets worse considering Z25 kept this reasoning to finally vote against Mac in his last D1 post

More stuff:
No vote against Mac in #270, votes on Mac were:
Mac (3): Brindor, Tom, Lore
Lore (2): Mac, Frozen
Tom (2): Maven, Raxxel
So, why not voting? Fear of being too obvious joining his scummates? Fear of going against obv town? Fear of distancing from Lore/Tom (both with only 1 less vote than Mac at that point) at a pivotal moment, and being too obvious maybe in case Lore / Tom flipped that Day?

ok call that a reach, I still think it's legit stuff to think about though. If anything look at the 1st part of my case

Before finishing though: Z25's #393 is more indecisive crap which at the end says nothing and seems like an excuse to go against ayone, either those who went against Brindor, or those who didn't:

'Tbh I’m not sure. I’ll say this, I really dislike the fast dogpile on brinoor. I get why, but it was also really obvious they were noobish due to being new. Sure they could have been scum, but if they were, they could have been pushed aside for a more active and capable target.'

So, was Brindor noobscum or noobtown? This part reads like: 'If you read Brindor as noobscum you were wrong, if you thought he was noobtown you were wrong, because it could've been any, but ya'll wrong'

Frozen bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Ryu bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Kevin bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Pythag bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Raxxel bro, tell me y're with me. Lynch Z25?

Maven bro you not scum with Z25. Vote him pls?

So his formatting and the amount.

still not a single point on why he’s voting you?
His case is airtight? You just have a problem with his activity and how much he’s posted?

These posts your referring too?

Honestly most of it is statistical trash that shouldn’t be considered valid. You could argue hard math all day, that’s not gonna change the outcome or matter when anything is statistically possible. All it does is create an infinite number of possibilities. So their poe post honestly doesn’t matter to me.

As for reasons, I can at least respect kevin’s And understand them even if I don’t agree.

Here though, I don’t get why one would take them seriously.

First of all they were saying my lack of a vote day one was strange, despite me repeating the same thing that I had just been diagnosed with a concussion. Now maybe rajam doesn’t know what that is or maybe they didn’t read/wanted to ignore it. But I wasn’t getting on here when I needed to stay away from electronics. I really shouldn’t have been here until Saturday but I wasn’t going to sit everything out I wanted to contribute even if it was brief.

Their two biggest actual points against are my lack of voting day one and who I did vote for, and my reaction to brin.

Again they clearly haven’t read the god damn thread. I voted for Mac day one because of the aggressiveness of the plays they had which honestly were not something I thought looked good.

I watched lore and nabe use the same tactic as scum day one, and even swamp and I’m sure a few others. Those are most notable off the top of my head though. That time of play wasn’t something I trusted or agreed with as a town play, so I voted. I liked mac’s content a lot more by the next day and I’ve pointed that out. How funny that it was seemingly ignored by rajam.

Moving on to Brindor. I stated several times I saw them as a noob town. Yet rajam is trying to argue I was indecisive. When no I was far from it. Again I wasn’t able to be there when the lynch went down but I made my thoughts clear on them regardless. They may have wound up trolling, but that doesn’t change the fact when they weren’t they were very noob town. So I don’t agree on that part. I could sort of see the Mac points, but that’s a stretch in my book.
They have taken my posts very out of context and are using only what’s oppertunisic to them right now.

Not to mention, the plead for a wagon is not going to look good on someone who spent this long catching up only to start a dogpile on the one slot everyone’s been after this whole game rather then contributing actually thoughts or concerns over other players on the same they level they did here.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I’m going to assume this means anti town members are not allowed to communicate after being lynched/killed and they are sent to the green room.

Affirmative.

 

[Z25]

Did you forget about yesterDay when kevin was all over you? Mac said he wasn’t even convinced, but he would be willing to sheep Kevin on you.

My vote has literally been on you for two full game Days, I’m convinced you’re just throwing anything out there in the hopes it sticks.

I don’t think you understand my point here.

If Kevin wanted me dead so badly he could have easily gotten everyone to agree with him. Most people were on board to lynch me since day one. I’m use to that by now but I don’t really care.

Yet every time he starts with a vote on me he goes in a different direction and votes towards whatever the wagon is to help hammer. Which if he thought I was so scummy, he should have stuck to his guts and vote always.

Yet on the brin wagon he first stuck a vote on pythag, then he jumped on the brin wagon to help hammer. Which we heard the reasons over and over, and I’m not saying they are bad.

But Kevin keeping a vote on me just for one out of two days, does not constitute him voting me the whole game or having eyes on me for it, when he put his vote day one on two other people. If I was such a strong scum read I should have been gone sooner based on this logic yet I was ignored so that other players could be pushed towards that direction until it was convienent that someone else wanted to start the wagon on me

 

[Z25]

Affirmative.

Fine still doesn’t change my point that Lore could have setup stuff beforehand during the day explaining why it took so long for rajam to post all that, despite such strong reads. Lore is pretty calculated in this, having an insurance policy wouldn’t surprise me

 

[Z25]

Also a final question from me for now.

How will you all react when I’m town?

What will you think rax, Kevin, rajam and maven?

 

[KevinM]

considering my already worst possible scenario of town lynch/town dies

Raxxel becomes a slot that’s way harder to lynch just because you need to play scum or dumb.

RR stays right up near the top of my lynch pile most likely paired with Maven.

Rajam would be the third lynch candidate of those three.

I’m not advocating you get hammered tonight because we need actual input from

Raxxel
#HBC | FrozeηFlame
#HBC | Red Ryu

About current events.

If we go into MYLO without letting those slots make stances we are setting ourselves up for a loss.

When you flip anti-town, I re-evaluate the game from there.