Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[#HBC | Mac]

EBWOP: top 3 plays for toDay

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Woah this opened again let me read up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

#HBC | Mac Me living? Who knows if I get lynched so be it. I'm just gonna be chill about it either way.

Gonna think about Pythag with recent posts and those flips.

Z25 v KevinM is a thing now, not a fan of Z25's reaction but I want to read into how this started when I have more time.

I need to reread the few interactions Tom had earlier to get an idea where his alignment would be and who is likely or less likely to be with him. Need to sleep sorry I will go into a deeper list tomorrow.

 

[Z25]

Z25 can you list your top 3 for toDay

Right now after re reading this thread throughout the day:

1) maven

2/3 I’m torn between Rajam, and Kevin now having read others thoughts and formatted my own in my personal read throughs.

I’ve given explanations on these 3, so I don’t think I’ll add too much more to it. I’m open for listening to other ideas, but honestly

I really don’t like maven’s sly plays this game, he’s trying to coast by, and I know they play pretty smart each game. So I can’t trust them Atm. That’s why they’ve taken the top of the list over the other two.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Votecount:

Lore: 2 (Mac, FrozenFlame)
KevinM: 2 (Z25, Raxxel)
Z25: 1 (KevinM)
Mac: 1 (Lore)
Rajam: 1 (Pythag)

Not Voting: 3 (Rajam, Maven89, Red Ryu)

Day 2 ends on August 28th at 5 PM EST

In the case where the deadline is reached without ever reaching the hammer to end the phase early, the player with the most votes is lynched. If there is a tie for the most, then a no lynch occurs #HBC | FrozeηFlame . It never came up on Day 1 as you all reached hammer with 5 minutes to go, but that effort was not necessary.

Rajam and Maven89 have been officially prodded. Red Ryu posted before this post.

Thank you GLG for posting the flip and taking care while I was gone.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Votecount:

KevinM: 2 (Z25, Raxxel)
Lore: 1 (FrozenFlame)
Z25: 1 (KevinM)
Mac: 1 (Lore)
Rajam: 1 (Pythag)

Day 2 ends on August 28th at 5 PM EST

In the case where the deadline is reached without ever reaching the hammer to end the phase early, the player with the most votes is lynched. If there is a tie for the most, then a no lynch occurs #HBC | FrozeηFlame . It never came up on Day 1 as you all reached hammer with 5 minutes to go, but that effort was not necessary.

#HBC | Red Ryu , Rajam , and Maven89 have been officially prodded.

im voting lore

also re: lynch rule clarifications, ok. that kinda sucks though cuz now ppl have even less incentive to vote or do anything at all. ideally we wouldn't wait till deadline to be making lynches but since we haven't heard from Rajam and Maven (and RR basically).. we need to get comments from them before moving forward with anything major

i've basically been in a holding pattern until we hear from everyone

Lore's still scum, but RR and Rajam are slots we're gonna have to deal with one way or another. I def support policy lynching here. hopefully RR starts contributing again but inactivity is scummy and his slot looks bad to me because of it. And he was already not on the best footing beforehand.

 

[Lore]

Will be more active today, thanks for letting me chill for a day.

Lore's still scum, but RR and Rajam are slots we're gonna have to deal with one way or another. I def support policy lynching here. hopefully RR starts contributing again but inactivity is scummy and his slot looks bad to me because of it. And he was already not on the best footing beforehand.

In all seriousness, I have multiple points prepared against you that make me feel that you are scum. This has zero to do with OMGUS, and it is a collection of points that I find to be extremely valid.

However, you are right on those slots (+Maven if he doesn't come back). Inactivity and coasting has been a plague in DGames lately. I'm all for calling a temporary truce and punishing this behavior from these slots toDay to prove that we as a playerbase don't tolerate this anymore.

I'm just so tired of this happening in every f***ing game.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

maven in my mind is carried by a solid d1, but still need to hear from him

and Lore, ill try again. can you actually make your points on players (me if need be) instead of just saying you have them

 

[#HBC | Mac]

and hell nah im not trucing lmfao

 

[Lore]

and hell nah im not trucing lmfao

"Mind if we do a temporary truce to help DGames instead of yet another 1v1 that clogs the thread?" "Nah."

I figured as much. Copy pasting my post in a moment.

 

[Lore]

Why Mac is WW Scum, thanks to D2 posts

YesterDay, he said that he found Tom scummy due to OMGUS. This is a common trend with Mac this game; he finds people who disagree with him scummy.

ToDay, Tom has been killed and Mac IMMEDIATELY dives into the wifom of why Tom was killed. He also uses the kill to immediately try to downplay Tom's read on him. This latter bit shows that Mac is a player more focused on his image than anything else, and imo both bits show that he is not aligned with Tom.

When I then point out that I still find Mac scummy, he screeches this post:

the fact that you still think i'm scum after my BLATANT towniness is just another reason you deserve to die

Because town players have to scream that they're town and that anyone who disagrees should die. Right?

He then makes this post that, imo, confirms him as WW:

like Lore, does Tom's flip not change your impression on me at all? you think I was bussing him or that I'm WW?

Considering how he had Tom as scum from OMGUS, I had no reason to believe that he was bussing. I like to think that scum!Mac would be a better Busser than that. If Mac had not done the other posts today, I would have just figured that at minimum he and Tom weren't aligned. Activity today would soften or harden my view.

But instead, he uses Tom's death as an excuse to earn more town cred and brag about how he was "right" about Tom. Combined with his IMMEDIATE dive into the wifom of Tom's death, I feel that he is likely a WW who killed Tom to discredit Tom's argument then earn town points. Please remember that we have two scum factions, and we have no clue why Tom made his post. He could very well have said something too on-the-nose to Mac, leading to Mac's insane heat towards Tom then the kill that Night.


Mac is obsessed with his image above all else, and he is leveraging Tom's death to make himself look better. When pressured even lightly, he screeches that he's "blatant" town and that I should die. For this, I find him to be pretty clear scum.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

yep. you're not escaping your reckoning

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Why Mac is WW Scum, thanks to D2 posts

YesterDay, he said that he found Tom scummy due to OMGUS. This is a common trend with Mac this game; he finds people who disagree with him scummy.

Nope, found Tom scummy cuz of his reasons for thinking im the most scummy were bad. literally every single post of mine talking about Tom mentions the fact that his reasons don't make sense and i don't see a veteran player doing that. imagine, Tom's the only player (aside from z25 who's since changed his tune) who looked at my back and forth with you and thought i was the most likely scum player in the game. dude was clearly acting in bad faith and his flip shows that

ToDay, Tom has been killed and Mac IMMEDIATELY dives into the wifom of why Tom was killed. He also uses the kill to immediately try to downplay Tom's read on him. This latter bit shows that Mac is a player more focused on his image than anything else, and imo both bits show that he is not aligned with Tom.

right because trying to push conversation is scummy.

When I then point out that I still find Mac scummy, he screeches this post:


Because town players have to scream that they're town and that anyone who disagrees should die. Right?

but i am blatantly town

He then makes this post that, imo, confirms him as WW:


Considering how he had Tom as scum from OMGUS, I had no reason to believe that he was bussing. I like to think that scum!Mac would be a better Busser than that. If Mac had not done the other posts today, I would have just figured that at minimum he and Tom weren't aligned. Activity today would soften or harden my view.

But instead, he uses Tom's death as an excuse to earn more town cred and brag about how he was "right" about Tom. Combined with his IMMEDIATE dive into the wifom of Tom's death, I feel that he is likely a WW who killed Tom to discredit Tom's argument then earn town points. Please remember that we have two scum factions, and we have no clue why Tom made his post. He could very well have said something too on-the-nose to Mac, leading to Mac's insane heat towards Tom then the kill that Night.[/qoute]

aiight well this is mostly WIFOM so irrelevent but at least it's not a completely garbage point. ill just refer you to a previous post i made about how I think it's unlikely WW would kill Tom knowing that a lot of scum support is going his way.

Mac is obsessed with his image above all else, and he is leveraging Tom's death to make himself look better. When pressured even lightly, he screeches that he's "blatant" town and that I should die. For this, I find him to be pretty clear scum.

so completely different reason for voting me than yesterday. nice

anyway, now your points have been addressed. would you like to go into your thoughts about other players this game?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

ebwop bottom part to fix quoting:

He then makes this post that, imo, confirms him as WW:


Considering how he had Tom as scum from OMGUS, I had no reason to believe that he was bussing. I like to think that scum!Mac would be a better Busser than that. If Mac had not done the other posts today, I would have just figured that at minimum he and Tom weren't aligned. Activity today would soften or harden my view.

But instead, he uses Tom's death as an excuse to earn more town cred and brag about how he was "right" about Tom. Combined with his IMMEDIATE dive into the wifom of Tom's death, I feel that he is likely a WW who killed Tom to discredit Tom's argument then earn town points. Please remember that we have two scum factions, and we have no clue why Tom made his post. He could very well have said something too on-the-nose to Mac, leading to Mac's insane heat towards Tom then the kill that Night.

aiight well this is mostly WIFOM so irrelevent but at least it's not a completely garbage point. ill just refer you to a previous post i made about how I think it's unlikely WW would kill Tom knowing that a lot of scum support is going his way.

Mac is obsessed with his image above all else, and he is leveraging Tom's death to make himself look better. When pressured even lightly, he screeches that he's "blatant" town and that I should die. For this, I find him to be pretty clear scum.

so completely different reason for voting me than yesterday. nice

anyway, now your points have been addressed. would you like to go into your thoughts about other players this game?

 

[Lore]

Nope, found Tom scummy cuz of his reasons for thinking im the most scummy were bad. literally every single post of mine talking about Tom mentions the fact that his reasons don't make sense and i don't see a veteran player doing that. imagine, Tom's the only player (aside from z25 who's since changed his tune) who looked at my back and forth with you and thought i was the most likely scum player in the game. dude was clearly acting in bad faith and his flip shows that

And on some omgus ****, I'm leaning scum on Tom just cuz I can't imagine him not being able to see where I'm coming from at all.

I'm heading out to get some lunch, see you guys later.

 

[Pythag]

Why Mac is WW Scum, thanks to D2 posts

YesterDay, he said that he found Tom scummy due to OMGUS. This is a common trend with Mac this game; he finds people who disagree with him scummy.

Except that I disagreed with Mac on Tom and You, and he certainly hasn’t been throwing down on me. His conviction and activity in this game has led me to think he is town.

Mac is obsessed with his image above all else

Excuse me what?

These are really strange ways to word your arguments, and most of them include as hominem, and it looks like you’re misrepresenting mac’s arguments, which I really don’t like.
Sorry lore, I’m not buying what your selling anymore.

Vote: Lore

 

[Pythag]

Ok, I am so freaking done with mobile posting.

Vote lore

If you want my reasoning it’s up in that quote.
I’ll expand if asked more, but I’m more convinced of Mac being town, and lore is using unnecessarily charged language, as hominem and misrepresenting the arguments. At least as I see it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

thank you pythag

 

[Lore]

If you want my reasoning it’s up in that quote.
I’ll expand if asked more, but I’m more convinced of Mac being town, and lore is using unnecessarily charged language, as hominem and misrepresenting the arguments. At least as I see it.

?

The guy is literally screaming that he's "blatant town" and targeting people who disagree with him or find him scummy. It's not ad hominem to point that out.

 

[Pythag]

?

The guy is literally screaming that he's "blatant town" and targeting people who disagree with him or find him scummy. It's not ad hominem to point that out.

“Literally screaming”
Mac’s “screeching” “bragging” “obsessed with his image above all else”

And you seem to have no refutation for my complete disagreement with Mac on Tom and you, and seriously, Mac may not have town read me, but according to you I should be expecting an apocalyptic tunnel on myself with Mac on the other end. I haven’t seen that.

In summer Mafia Kevin jokingly uttered “Mac is scum when he is unsure or asks questions”
I know it’s a generalization but that’s what I’m taking to the bank right now. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Brindol lynch was the slot not offering anything of value, that much is obvious and he was the, “let’s deal with the slot now” kind of lynch. Which I am A-Ok with as a day 1 lynch.

What I want to look at is how people voted the slot with their own reads.

Not sure what to make of Tom’s coming back in post and voting Mac. I could see that trying to set up Lore for a fall after but did Tom guess he would die? Doubt it. Could also be distancing from Mac but I currently doubt this. Tom flipping with the defense makes me look at Lore with some eyes.

I don’t think FF is with Tom given he offered Tom as a strong lynch candidate.

Brindol lynch gives me little on the connection front on a glance. KevinM flipping on the slot when he wanted connections doesn’t give good vibes with me. I need to dig into why Z25 was offered up outside of it just happened.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lore outside of Mac where are ya looking right now?

How does KevinM v Z25 look to ya?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tom flips makes Mac unlikely to be Mafia Goon, Lore suggests WW and tbh, I only see broomers making a kill on Tom given how day 1 played out.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Tom flips makes Mac unlikely to be Mafia Goon, Lore suggests WW and tbh, I only see broomers making a kill on Tom given how day 1 played out.

my gut is to think this is a reasonable take, but can you expand on why you feel this way

 

[KevinM]

also re: lynch rule clarifications, ok. that kinda sucks though cuz now ppl have even less incentive to vote or do anything at all. ideally we wouldn't wait till deadline to be making lynches but since we haven't heard from Rajam and Maven (and RR basically).. we need to get comments from them before moving forward with anything major

I see this as an overall HBC positive tbh, inactives can’t stop us from ending days with a lynch.

 

[KevinM]

Lore’s case solidifies the fact he’s a free bingo space by the way.

 

[KevinM]

Mac slot is the easiest thing to read in the game, he’s decisive so he’s not scum. I’ve said that for an actual decade now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

my gut is to think this is a reasonable take, but can you expand on why you feel this way

The way d1 played out makes me think Tom’s actions more likely line up with getting pressure of Lore. His vote and play on you definitely makes me think you aren’t aligned.

Idk how Tom plays scum but I do not think he plays like other OG dgamers will bus you into the ground to save their own face.

I don’t see what he was doing as a bus on you. The reason he gave with his flip in mind points more so to getting heat of Lore and pushing back.

If this is the case, this points to Lore being aligned but as Mafia not a WW.

Tom kill I only see old school players making that call on a player like Tom.

You and him makes little sense to me with how day 1, played out.

FF wanted Tom right out of the gate. So I am left thinking this is more likely one of Lore or KevinM. Playing meta on this but I do not see players like Z25 and such going for Tom.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gonna reread z vs Kevin before I vote.

I need to also reread Pythag but at work atm need my lunch break for this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Need to also if Pythag would make that call.

Dislike early Pythag a lot but not on my radar much at this point with that flip.

 

[Raxxel]

UtopianPoyzin Vote count real quick?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i know i should abstain from dunking on lore over and over but he just keeps doing obvscum **** so i can't help but call it out. also i want to make it really clear how scummy this slot is so that players who don't wanna support Lore 's lynch (looking at you Raxxle and z25) have to reconcile with that once Lore inevitably flips scum

Nope, found Tom scummy cuz of his reasons for thinking im the most scummy were bad. literally every single post of mine talking about Tom mentions the fact that his reasons don't make sense and i don't see a veteran player doing that. imagine, Tom's the only player (aside from z25 who's since changed his tune) who looked at my back and forth with you and thought i was the most likely scum player in the game. dude was clearly acting in bad faith and his flip shows that

And on some omgus ****, I'm leaning scum on Tom just cuz I can't imagine him not being able to see where I'm coming from at all.

I'm heading out to get some lunch, see you guys later.

I liked this post because it was funny and at a cursory, surface level glance it looks like a gotcha, but really it just continues a trend of Lore constantly misrepresenting my points.

I wrote this in the very same post he quoted me from:

Also seems like you didn't even address the substance regarding my issue with More and everything you said about your issues with me was on the periphery of that. What do you think of the substance? And I'll repeat it again because Lore keeps misrepresenting me. It's not _just_ that Lore didn't realize it was copy pasta it was because he drew attention to the fact that the post is something he'd be suspicious about and worth spending more time on, while clearly not even fully reading the post. Why would he say some **** like that if he literally hadn't given much time of day to the post in the first place? You really can't see how a townie would have issues with that?

Honestly I differ from FF in thinking that your perspective here could be townie, the fact that you can't see where I'm coming from to the point that you think I'm most likely to be scum is unbelievable to me (I have the same feeling about Lore, but at least with him I can see how an emotional town Lore would refuse to see where I'm coming from) and the fact that you didn't really address the substance of what I brought up is also a bad look. Can you address the substance and explain why you think a normal townie wouldn't behave the way I did

maybe I could have worded it better, but I think I was pretty clear in calling out Tom for the fact that he was scumspecting me because of a silly reason of "stooping to Lore's level" while not actually commenting on the substance of the back and forth between Lore and I. why does Lore ignore this (main content describing of my issue w/ Tom) just to post something to make it look like he caught me in a lie.

This is just like how earlier in the game Lore kept saying my issue with him is that he simply didn't read Tom's post. This completely neglects or misses the fact that it wasn't just that that was a problem, it was that combined with the fact that he drew so much attn to the post and pretended like he was giving it consideration while clearly not having read it.

You can see a pattern of Lore misrepresenting my posts throughout the game (and now both FF and pythag called Lore out on it), the fact that this keeps happening shows Lore is engaging with me in bad faith. and he's not truly considering the points he's pushing

 

[#HBC | Mac]

:/

All I'm going to say toDay about the bolded section.

I'll save thoughts on the rest until tomorrow, major bad vibes on this post but not conscious enough to dive in.

would you like to go into detail on this now?

I'm going to take a break today and just kinda chill. We are having more content from people, and since I flooded the thread with anti-Mac last day phase, I'd rather let the thread breathe a bit and see where Z25 V Kevin goes. I have some thoughts on Z25 specifically, but I want to see a bit more from him.

This break is also because I intend my next post to be pretty anti Mac again, along with anti RR. For once we have a discussion going that doesn't involve me or Mac, and I want to see where it goes.

would you like to explain your thoughts on z25 now?

would you like to explain your anti-RR stuff now?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

anyway, bigger post incoming after work today detailing my thoughts on everything non-Lore related

 

[Lore]

“Literally screaming”
Mac’s “screeching” “bragging” “obsessed with his image above all else”

And you seem to have no refutation for my complete disagreement with Mac on Tom and you, and seriously, Mac may not have town read me, but according to you I should be expecting an apocalyptic tunnel on myself with Mac on the other end. I haven’t seen that.

In summer Mafia Kevin jokingly uttered “Mac is scum when he is unsure or asks questions”
I know it’s a generalization but that’s what I’m taking to the bank right now. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.

I'll be real with you and say that I'm being a bit lazy, since I haven't reread Mac's content on you. It has been a long day. But I'm like 90% certain you only said that Mac was focusing on something irrelevant. You didn't straight up call him scum or anything. I'd have to reread and be sure though.

I am still just kinda confused how someone yelling "I'm blatantly town" doesn't throw up red flags. Call my language what you will, but his stuff had been intensely worded to begin with. Town players don't have to say they're town, brag about why they're town, and point fingers at people who question them being town.

Anyway, falling into that meta generalization as a hard rule sounds like a recipe for potential failure, no offense.

Mac slot is the easiest thing to read in the game, he’s decisive so he’s not scum. I’ve said that for an actual decade now.

Not sure I understand how it's impossible for him to intentionally go against him meta. Kinda a weird point.

Lore outside of Mac where are ya looking right now?

How does KevinM v Z25 look to ya?

Mostly you, to be honest. You kinda pop in, comment on some things, then pop back out. This is in addition to your earlier kinda weird content, especially re: Pythag. I'm not seeing substantial content that would stave off a vote; Tom was coasting as well and rightfully called out on it (especially after it was pointed out that he was online and Liking things), but at least he made a pretty huge post of content after being called out.

More content from you would either push you above Mac for me or drop you below, and I want to see more. If I see continued coasting, that will certainly push you above Mac for me.

I'm chewing on FF as well a bit; most of his posts are "damn I agree with this view from you" with a bunch of extra fluff added, and I can't tell if it's coasting or just him agreeing. I say there's fluff, but he does have actual content mixed in so I'm 50/50 on his agreement being simply genuine agreement.

Currently Pythag and Raxxel are my strongest town picks, with the anti-Pythag stuff still not making sense to me and Raxxel reeking of being newer town.

I'm pretty ugh on Maven and Rajam as well for activity reasons. Maven's takes also felt hastily made in his posts, like his weird point about me "hopping on every bandwagon." If they don't post, I'm 100% fine with purging them and making a point that DGames doesn't tolerate inactivity/coasting anymore.


Kev/Z25 is an interesting argument. Kev started it with saying that Z25 looked weird after Tom's big post then flip, Z25 posted at the same time, and Kev saw Z25's post and "confirmed" his own thoughts.

After that, Z25 was immediately emotional. With my frustration over my misread, it came after being repeatedly asked the same question. It was annoyance at the repetition and tunneling. Here, Z25 sounds emotionally charged at the fact that he got asked anything in the first place. He then has a back and forth with Kev, where imo out of the two Kev looks the best.

By itself, I'd lean toward Z25 messing up and not having read the setup. But the immediate reaction (rather than the delayed from my situation) makes me wary. I'd be open to a potential lynch of this slot, but he's not near the top of my priority. He'd be more valuable game-wise than Maven or Rajam though, but at the same time I'm really tired of inactivity.

Out of the exchange Kev came out ok imo, but he would immediately look suspicious to me again upon a Mac WW flip. He's very strong and firm in his Mac defense, over something that could be faked.

 

[Lore]

would you like to go into detail on this now?

"Everyone who pushed Tom D1 looks better toDay post flip."

*leaves out how you were the main person pushing Tom post-inactivity*

You dove into the WIFOM of the night kill to off-handedly give yourself another pat on the back.

You also say that we should look at Tom's post to guess who would feel threatened by him, which feels like textbook Scum Projection to me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It’s almost as if RR has been extremely non-committed, hops on easy wagons, posts fluffy walls, and should have been a primary lynch candidate for D1

Real talk, how is calling Mac v Lore tvt yesterday and not liking Pythag well after a lot of people jumped off him non committed?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

KevinM is right, I misread his post on Pythag. I will have to reread Pythag to see what I see but on first impression I saw him as null. I still like the Red Ryu lynch with his push on the newbie and his blatant role fishing.

Vote: Tom

No lurking kitty

I dunno if I wanna give Maven credit for this early vote.

I forget though Maven, did you call out Tom for liking but no replies? I thought you did but I cannot find it.

 

[KevinM]

Real talk, how is calling Mac v Lore tvt yesterday and not liking Pythag well after a lot of people jumped off him non committed?

The first part is personal bias because I literally can’t see a world where it’s TvT and I also think TvT is an extremely safe answer when everyone else was beginning to take a stance on the issue.

Your second part is easy because both anti town factions can also scumhunt in this game. You also just saying you don’t like a slot while being borderline inactive isn’t exactly the picture of committed.

This is the first time you’ve actively played the game and formulated useful opinions, some of which I disagree with but you’re at least attempting to give us something.

 

[KevinM]

Still have you at third fwiw