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Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

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Seems pretty similar to how you went after Rexxal randomly yesterDay for not tagging you when specifically asking your slot to contribute.
Geez your points get way more worse in terms of actual content.

I told them that if they wanted my opinion directly, tag me, I’m not going to always see things and witrg the walls of texts being posted, it was pretty easy to miss something.

Your really scraping the barrel here trying to come up with stuff on the fly. If anything your slipping after two other users questioned your actions. Your clearly concerned by their views on your posts against me.

Which going by your logic, makes you defensive, emotions and thus scum. You’ve been doing nothing but try to setup me up and I’m not going sit here and let your pretty scummy looking actions go on without comment from me.
 

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imma withhold my opinion on this back and forth until others chime in

but in the meantime, question for z25
Your really scraping the barrel here trying to come up with stuff on the fly. If anything your slipping after two other users questioned your actions. Your clearly concerned by their views on your posts against me.

Which going by your logic, makes you defensive, emotions and thus scum. You’ve been doing nothing but try to setup me up and I’m not going sit here and let your pretty scummy looking actions go on without comment from me.
so given that Lore pretty much did this exact thing you criticize Kevin for, how do you feel about Lore's slot? i dont remember if you given your opinion on that yet
 

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Seems pretty similar to how you went after Rexxal randomly yesterDay for not tagging you when specifically asking your slot to contribute.
This post is pretty much enough to sell me on you being suspicious, if not outright scum. You're inaccurately presenting a situation. He didn't "randomly" go after me, I voted on him specifically. Going after me is also a huge stretch, he asked me politely to tag him. Going after me would be him trying to label me scum.

This adds to a larger point of mine though, throughout this entire game, you've made a blatantly obvious effort to control the narrative and scumhunt conversation. You've presented yourself as this leader of sorts who will undoubtedly bring us a town win as long as we do exactly as you say, but after a whole D1, you did nothing to lead us to killing a scum. In fact, it's worth mentioning you began the wagon for lynching Brindor, who turned out to be a town seer. While I still believe a town would have ample reason to lynch Brindor given his behavior, the result is still the same, and you've done nothing for me to believe that you're indeed acting in the interest of the town aside from empty wagons that you hop around in.

Vote KevinM

I don't know if you're like this every game, but it's done me no favors in trusting you.
 

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imma withhold my opinion on this back and forth until others chime in

but in the meantime, question for z25


so given that Lore pretty much did this exact thing you criticize Kevin for, how do you feel about Lore's slot? i dont remember if you given your opinion on that yet
Yesterday I was thinking lore could be town, but as the argument dragged on, points from both sides were getting kinda weak. Right now I think lore is a potential candidate for scum, but I need to re read that whole argument yesterday and compare to the brinoor stuff. Right now I’m conflicted as lore does play pretty aggressively from time to time and can get into pretty heated debates while still town(one of which was between me and them in a previous game). However I can see the points for them being scum here. I’ve got to really reevaluate my opinion on them.

Right now potential scum I have my eyes on would be

Kevin,
Lore still 50/50 on this tbh.
And I’m really not sure. I could see rax but I don’t like that maven hasn’t been active. They are a prettty skilled player and I don’t trust that they’d be inactive with how much they enjoy the game.

That’s some quick thoughts that I’ll elaborate on tomorrow.
 

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I wanted to not post anymore tn, but i can't help it

wait FF I’m sorry walk me through this numbers wise. I’m pretty positive Lore is a free bingo space, why don’t we take it?
given you said this, why is z25 such a strong lynch option that you won't consider lynching Lore, a "free bingo space" or even RR, over z25? was z25's post that strong of a scum tell?

My guess right now would be that by taking Tom out they hope to get lore or someone else to be the focus of today. It’s really odd to take tom out otherwise imo, unless you want to setup for someone to take the fall.
i don't get this, why would killing Tom make Lore (or someone else) more of a focus today? and how does that help the WWs?
 

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given you said this, why is z25 such a strong lynch option that you won't consider lynching Lore, a "free bingo space" or even RR, over z25? was z25's post that strong of a scum tell?
Lore still the free bingo space.
Z25 leaped over RR with how he's reacted to this even slight amount of pressure.
 

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Obviously if we want to take a free space at EoD I'd be right there with you, but this is the current play I'm most interested.

Raxxel chainsaw defense is also noted as well as the misrepresentation that Brindor got lynched solely because of my slot.
 

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I wanted to not post anymore tn, but i can't help it


given you said this, why is z25 such a strong lynch option that you won't consider lynching Lore, a "free bingo space" or even RR, over z25? was z25's post that strong of a scum tell?



i don't get this, why would killing Tom make Lore (or someone else) more of a focus today? and how does that help the WWs?
With Tom a big focus of attention by the town day 1, there were three others with a lot of discussion in them, that could easy have been taken by the town as targets for the lynch today.

Those 3 are lore, you, and then I would even say pythag. Day one you three and Tom received a lot of discussion. My theory would be that by choosing Tom, someone who I personally think would be the smaller target out of those 4, you leave 3 big members of the game left. Two of which are very active.

I could see the other 3 being targets, because they would be easy picks for lunches based on everyone’s thoughts yesterday.

With that logic in mind, if the WW focused on these 3 as targets mixed in with another person or two they thought were town, they could pick off targets, scum are less likely to choose because they would also push those lynches. This way town narrows down quickly, but that would also give a ww a decent Chance imo to blend in more and bait out the other scum in the game.

At least that’s my personal idea. I’ve never played a game using this exact setup, so I was trying to think of potential perspectives a ww would have as Tom was a surprising choice. I hope I explained my thoughts well here, as I said I’ve never been in this exact setup and was trying to explain my process the best I could.
 

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Pythag Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?
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I feel like a colossal ******.
I’m kinda rethinking everything right now.

Z25 Z25 is lore only 50/50 in your mind because you know him to be aggressive? Kevin looks to be a sure thing in your mind because of his aggression. What gives there?
 

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I'm going to take a break today and just kinda chill. We are having more content from people, and since I flooded the thread with anti-Mac last day phase, I'd rather let the thread breathe a bit and see where Z25 V Kevin goes. I have some thoughts on Z25 specifically, but I want to see a bit more from him.

This break is also because I intend my next post to be pretty anti Mac again, along with anti RR. For once we have a discussion going that doesn't involve me or Mac, and I want to see where it goes.
 

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Pythag Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?
I feel like a colossal ******.
I’m kinda rethinking everything right now.

Z25 Z25 is lore only 50/50 in your mind because you know him to be aggressive? Kevin looks to be a sure thing in your mind because of his aggression. What gives there?[/QUOTE]
That’s not my reason for suspecting him.

It’s his actions this phase. He started out trying to put out his theory on yesterday’s events and jumped on the first person that responded and tried to bring up ideas. Which happened to be me but even if it wasn’t I wouldn’t like that.


On top of that he refused to give any reason to accuse me until more people spoke out against him. When he finally did post reasons, he was taking things from the thread in a wrong context trying to make me look worse than what the reality was. It’s pretty clear to me, he saw me as an easy target to push given that he seems to consider me as a new player.

And taking advantage of people like that doesn’t sit right with me.
 

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Pythag Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?

I feel like a colossal ******.
I’m kinda rethinking everything right now.

Z25 Z25 is lore only 50/50 in your mind because you know him to be aggressive? Kevin looks to be a sure thing in your mind because of his aggression. What gives there?
Quoting since the last post didn’t have the quote right
 

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With Tom a big focus of attention by the town day 1, there were three others with a lot of discussion in them, that could easy have been taken by the town as targets for the lynch today.

Those 3 are lore, you, and then I would even say pythag. Day one you three and Tom received a lot of discussion. My theory would be that by choosing Tom, someone who I personally think would be the smaller target out of those 4, you leave 3 big members of the game left. Two of which are very active.

I could see the other 3 being targets, because they would be easy picks for lunches based on everyone’s thoughts yesterday.

With that logic in mind, if the WW focused on these 3 as targets mixed in with another person or two they thought were town, they could pick off targets, scum are less likely to choose because they would also push those lynches. This way town narrows down quickly, but that would also give a ww a decent Chance imo to blend in more and bait out the other scum in the game.

At least that’s my personal idea. I’ve never played a game using this exact setup, so I was trying to think of potential perspectives a ww would have as Tom was a surprising choice. I hope I explained my thoughts well here, as I said I’ve never been in this exact setup and was trying to explain my process the best I could.
i've reread this post like 5 times, and i still can't for the life of me understand the logic here. you're saying that since there were 4 or so slots that received a lot of attn yesterday (tom, me, lore and maybe pythag), WW might have killed tom to focus the attention of Town on the remaining 3 slots? but why would they do that? I would assume that as WW you'd prefer there to be 4 non-WW lynch considerations vs just 3 so you wouldn't want to kill Tom

also does that mean you think that the people who were the focus yesterday (Lore, Me, and pythag) are not WW because WW might be trying to focus Town's attn on them?

and from what I understand, Kevin's initial point against you was that you brought up 3rd parties saying "you don't think there are any in this setup". And that that's weird to do when it's an open setup and confirmed there are no 3rd parties. Do you think this initial point can be valid from a townie's POV?

not throwing shade at you here, just curious about your responses
 

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Pythag Pythag : I think you were fine with Tom middle of Day yesterday, how does his flip change your perspective on the game?
I feel like a colossal ******.
I’m kinda rethinking everything right now.

Z25 Z25 is lore only 50/50 in your mind because you know him to be aggressive? Kevin looks to be a sure thing in your mind because of his aggression. What gives there?[/QUOTE]
this is really all you got for us pythag? you said early game that you were gonna be less wishy washy and take harder stances, I'd love to see more of that.
 

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I said I’d be less wishy washy, I didn’t think what I said was wishy washy.

I’m also still phone posting and I have read stuff wrong routinely while on a phone, so that is me trying to be a bit more cautious I suppose

i feel more confident mac is town,
Today’s Kevin looks a LOT more familiar, I think I’m writing off day one as him being with a bunch of new players.


Kevin has caught Z25 in what looks like someone who didn’t read the setup.

Mac caught Lore in what looks like a situation where Lore didn’t read before he posted.

Off the cuff:
I don’t like z25’s defense, i would like to read it on a computer though where it’s easier to cross reference with other things being said.

Need to reread Lore, I was pretty convinced that he was town, but I also was fine with Tom. I’m waning on my support of him staying alive.

Rajam hammered brindol, which is odd, because of like the three posts that Rajam had, one of them was in reference to how he was only 3 pages in. If he is going chronically slow, his did he manage to know that we needed a hammer? Seems kinda scummy?
I wasn’t happy with his slot before, but I’m less happy now.

FoS on whoever hasn’t been talking about the hammer
vote Rajam
 

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I'm going to take a break today and just kinda chill. We are having more content from people, and since I flooded the thread with anti-Mac last day phase, I'd rather let the thread breathe a bit and see where Z25 V Kevin goes. I have some thoughts on Z25 specifically, but I want to see a bit more from him.

This break is also because I intend my next post to be pretty anti Mac again, along with anti RR. For once we have a discussion going that doesn't involve me or Mac, and I want to see where it goes.
i hope chill doesn't mean you're not gonna comment on other stuff that's going on. I'm fine with you waiting a day on the antiMac stuff, but not fine if you're gonna use that as an excuse to withhold opinions about current happenings.

i'm withholding my own opinions cuz i think for the most part people think im town and so i think it'd be better to have others on record with their own stances about stuff (like regarding ZvKev) without having it be tainted by where i stand on things or being able to just bandwagon others opinions. so its a lil whack that both you and pythag didn't give your own thoughts on ZvKev. and i've been giving my gut reactions to basically everything that happens as it occurs so I think it's ok for me to withhold a bit now.

whereas Lore your posts so far toDay have been very light on details or actual like fresh thought processes that show you're really considering things. your first post was mostly just rehashing stuff from yesterDay and stuff that other people have said, and you've also said a lot of stuff like 'I have thoughts on X player' or 'I didn't like Y thing happening' but have yet to go into the details of these thoughts and opinions of yours. so it would be nice to see some fresh thoughts from you.

and pls don't find some reason to AtE this post. I acknowledge that there are worse offenders as RR, Rajam and Maven haven't even posted toDay. really really need to hear from RR soon

___

also i'm gonna bring up this next thing cuz i don't want it to get forgotten, but your response to it can wait until you want to go into w/e antiMac stuff you have

It sure would if you didn't decide to make posts like those toDay.

I'm heading to bed. You aren't worth the stress I put on myself D1.
I really dislike this response. firstly I don't see how town!Lore reads my posts toDay and goes like "Oh ok Tom's flips makes it less likely for mac to be scum, but man those d2 posts of his are really scummy, so back to the top of my lynch pool!". what was so scummy bout my posts? cuz im still pushing you (my #1 scum candidate) like I said i would?

secondly, you didn't address my question on whether you think I was bussing Tom or if you think i'm WW. that was the meatier part of the question I asked you so I'd like a direct response. Reminds me of how you didn't directly answer my question on whether you skimmed Tom's post and I had to ask you again (and then you got mad at me for doing so)
 

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Fam, chill means that I flooded the thread yesterDay and want to take an irl day to post lightly, especially since it's still the weekend. We have an extra day now for the deadline. I'm only replying now since I got pinged.

I also want to see more from this Kev VS Z25 since this is the longest string of posts we've seen from Z25 yet.

I don't really give a **** if you want to brag about commenting on it while calling out others for letting the situation develop.
 

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idk why i bother trying to engage you in good faith, all im asking is for some real content from you that isn't just the same antiMac omgus stuff you've had thus far. Pythag didn't seem to have a problem with me requesting that of him

anyway, imma go back to ignoring your slot. and making sure you get lynched today
 

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I said I’d be less wishy washy, I didn’t think what I said was wishy washy.

I’m also still phone posting and I have read stuff wrong routinely while on a phone, so that is me trying to be a bit more cautious I suppose

i feel more confident mac is town,
Today’s Kevin looks a LOT more familiar, I think I’m writing off day one as him being with a bunch of new players.


Kevin has caught Z25 in what looks like someone who didn’t read the setup.

Mac caught Lore in what looks like a situation where Lore didn’t read before he posted.

Off the cuff:
I don’t like z25’s defense, i would like to read it on a computer though where it’s easier to cross reference with other things being said.

Need to reread Lore, I was pretty convinced that he was town, but I also was fine with Tom. I’m waning on my support of him staying alive.

Rajam hammered brindol, which is odd, because of like the three posts that Rajam had, one of them was in reference to how he was only 3 pages in. If he is going chronically slow, his did he manage to know that we needed a hammer? Seems kinda scummy?
I wasn’t happy with his slot before, but I’m less happy now.

FoS on whoever hasn’t been talking about the hammer
vote Rajam
Rajam is an insanely mixed slot for me. There's just so little to read. I want to pressure him but I've tried a couple of times now and it doesn't feel worth it when he posts so little. I feel like you either just ignore him altogether or you wagon him. It's a bit frustrating. Kinda done with the slot altogether. I'll join a wagon against him if we get a real one going but otherwise I'd rather focus on much more active slots.

Regarding Lore vs. Mac. While Lore has more going against him, I overall feel like it's TvT.

I would suggest to Lore to try and stop tunneling Mac at the moment though, because the majority of the thread is definitely reading Mac like town at the moment and this continued back and forth is only going to end with Lore dying if it doesn't stop.
 

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idk why i bother trying to engage you in good faith, all im asking is for some real content from you that isn't just the same antiMac omgus stuff you've had thus far. Pythag didn't seem to have a problem with me requesting that of him

anyway, imma go back to ignoring your slot. and making sure you get lynched today
Dude. It's Sunday. We have until the 28th. This is my last reply to you today. At least I'm bothering to actually pop in and say that I'm out for today, unlike other slots.
 

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i've reread this post like 5 times, and i still can't for the life of me understand the logic here. you're saying that since there were 4 or so slots that received a lot of attn yesterday (tom, me, lore and maybe pythag), WW might have killed tom to focus the attention of Town on the remaining 3 slots? but why would they do that? I would assume that as WW you'd prefer there to be 4 non-WW lynch considerations vs just 3 so you wouldn't want to kill Tom

also does that mean you think that the people who were the focus yesterday (Lore, Me, and pythag) are not WW because WW might be trying to focus Town's attn on them?

and from what I understand, Kevin's initial point against you was that you brought up 3rd parties saying "you don't think there are any in this setup". And that that's weird to do when it's an open setup and confirmed there are no 3rd parties. Do you think this initial point can be valid from a townie's POV?

not throwing shade at you here, just curious about your responses
I wouldn’t rule out any of the big three mentioned being ww, but I’d wager more that one of them is a mafia goon. They are all people would a lot of experience so anyone of them as scum would be able to play as a townie perspective well imo. However given that there’s 5 power roles left on the scum side, statistical, all of them stand good chances to be one as there are only 6 vanilla townies. I don’t fully play by just statistics though and prefer to analysis behavior rather then numbers.

As for the third party thing. My sentence structure was not the best. The point I was aiming to make, was I’ve seen third parties follow similar ideas, so an experienced ww could be playing similar. Again though, it depends on who the ww are. There’s several people inactive so we don’t even have a good gauge on their own thoughts this game or even posts to go off of to scum hunt.

I’ll admit that I hadn’t realized the setup was actually posted beforehand. When the game started I had a concussion still, and didn’t think the op changed from the last thread we had. When I was able to go back and read through again last night I saw he op was different. So I’m sorry for incompetence there.

As for this being Kevin’s main point against me. From a townie pov I wouldn’t even take issue with someone not reading a full setup. I did it in he past a few times, and I’ve seen others make the same issue in previous games. I don’t think so that relates to overall lore or setup should be a valid reason to scum hunt someone. It should be on their actual actions and statements about the content of the game itself
 

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given you said this, why is z25 such a strong lynch option that you won't consider lynching Lore, a "free bingo space" or even RR, over z25? was z25's post that strong of a scum tell?
seconding this, KevinM KevinM sell me on what distinguishes Z25 as WW as opposed to just general scum?

Lore still the free bingo space.
Z25 leaped over RR with how he's reacted to this even slight amount of pressure.
ok I get this for sure re: general scumminess rankings but still would like to hear some detail on the WW specific read. Def ****in agreed tho that Z25s big ****ing OMGUS is suss af

Obviously if we want to take a free space at EoD I'd be right there with you, but this is the current play I'm most interested.

Raxxel chainsaw defense is also noted as well as the misrepresentation that Brindor got lynched solely because of my slot.
The chainsaw defense from rexx is def pinging for me, I've had this feeling that there was some light buddying going on between these two slots but haven't really been able to put my finger on it. Do you think noobscum playing together would be this obvious?

i feel more confident mac is town,
Today’s Kevin looks a LOT more familiar, I think I’m writing off day one as him being with a bunch of new players.
this pretty accurately reflects my read on these slots and why I'm feeling this HBC coalition


Kevin has caught Z25 in what looks like someone who didn’t read the setup.

Mac caught Lore in what looks like a situation where Lore didn’t read before he posted.

Off the cuff:
I don’t like z25’s defense, i would like to read it on a computer though where it’s easier to cross reference with other things being said.

Need to reread Lore, I was pretty convinced that he was town, but I also was fine with Tom. I’m waning on my support of him staying alive.

Rajam hammered brindol, which is odd, because of like the three posts that Rajam had, one of them was in reference to how he was only 3 pages in. If he is going chronically slow, his did he manage to know that we needed a hammer? Seems kinda scummy?
I wasn’t happy with his slot before, but I’m less happy now.
These are actually all really reasonable takes, I think this is a legitimately townie af post
 

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Regarding the chainsaw defense, it can be read as such, and it's my fault for not having done more to convey my suspicion of KevinM earlier before putting it all in one big post that happens to defend Z25, but my defense of Z25 is secondary to my main point. I legitimately believe Kevin was deliberately misrepresenting a situation, and it adds up to the ongoing behavior that I mentioned where he is forcefully dominant in the scumhunt conversation. I felt it was appropriate to bring it up then because I was involved in said situation he misrepresented. In a game like this, I can't trust someone who is this persistent with trying to take control the conversation.

If I wind up dying from a lynch due to the "chainsaw defense" bringing a scum read upon me, so be it. I stand by my suspicions of Kevin's behavior however. I especially feel it has not been under enough scrutiny this game and I would want it to continually be held accountable afterwards if I die. My only regret is if Z25 flips scum, which is admittedly a possibility since I still know little about him. My interactions with him make me feel like he's town, but we will see.
 

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Looking back at Brin, that situation doesn't make me think highly of maven.

Admist the Mac vs Lore, he just popped in after being missing, and votes for Brin, despite there not being a big push for them ( just a consideration that if not lore, then brin).

After this, Pythag shows up to vote brin, Mac votes Lore.

Mac a little bit later changes to brin, likely given up on the lore when the wagon wasn't going that way.
The full list and order for the votes are:

Brindol: 5 (Maven89, Pythag, Lore, KevinM, Mac)

Given the discussion that was going on, I'm not fond of Maven appearing, voting and then swaying others to vote right away for brin. Maven a slightly inactive came in and voted to take out another inactive as Brin hadn't said much at the time.

Pythag immediately joins this wagon to out of nowhere. Maven then disappears and no one has really questioned that. There wasn't even much of a reason on his part, he was just allowed to sway everyone.

I definitely don't like the way it all played out. Pythag also has my attention, but Maven is a more pressing one imo based on his actions this game and how he generally plays.
 

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seconding this, KevinM KevinM KevinM KevinM sell me on what distinguishes Z25 as WW as opposed to just general scum?
Tom going specifically out of his way in like his only relevant post of the game to call something out from Z25 wrt his post about “what game was I scum” puts me under the impression they weren’t the same alignment.


Do you think noobscum playing together would be this obvious?
Wouldn’t know I’ve never been new, I came out the womb this good. I do think though if your newer or out of your element you tend to play closer to your scummates.


Also Raxxel’s last post is exactly why i dislike that slot. He leaves himself every open avenue of “what do i know I’m new” when making any post. It’s an impressive ability of using 400 words to say nothing.

They aren’t a play though Z25 helps us solve that slot a lot faster.

I’m still of the impression Z25 can be the play given our current situation, and his latest posts.

Lore/Z25
RedRyu
Rajam
Maven/Raxxel
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Mac

That’s where I’m sitting on the game. At current I can’t see me voting for anyone but the first two but we DESPERATELY need Maven and Rajam to start playing.
 

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Pythags much larger post and his suspicion of the Brindor wagon / Rajam push making me feel a lot better about the slot or at least feeling like it’s not currently a priority after the last two pages of activity
 

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Vote: brindor

I am down for that, my first pick is still Ryu, though I would LOVE to hear what kev thinks about Red and I being against one another. Do you think we are werewolf v mafia? No town between the two of us?

I really really don’t wanna vote lore. His responses and such really kinda look like peak lore. I don’t buy the AtE argument, with how upset he and everyone got at Soup, I think he believes faking AtE to be incredibly bad gameplay. I have a hard time pulling the trigger on him at this point.

Right now I’m reading Mac and lore as TvT.

Still phone posting
I said I’d be less wishy washy, I didn’t think what I said was wishy washy.

I’m also still phone posting and I have read stuff wrong routinely while on a phone, so that is me trying to be a bit more cautious I suppose

i feel more confident mac is town,
Today’s Kevin looks a LOT more familiar, I think I’m writing off day one as him being with a bunch of new players.


Kevin has caught Z25 in what looks like someone who didn’t read the setup.

Mac caught Lore in what looks like a situation where Lore didn’t read before he posted.

Off the cuff:
I don’t like z25’s defense, i would like to read it on a computer though where it’s easier to cross reference with other things being said.

Need to reread Lore, I was pretty convinced that he was town, but I also was fine with Tom. I’m waning on my support of him staying alive.

Rajam hammered brindol, which is odd, because of like the three posts that Rajam had, one of them was in reference to how he was only 3 pages in. If he is going chronically slow, his did he manage to know that we needed a hammer? Seems kinda scummy?
I wasn’t happy with his slot before, but I’m less happy now.

FoS on whoever hasn’t been talking about the hammer
vote Rajam

Pythags much larger post and his suspicion of the Brindor wagon / Rajam push making me feel a lot better about the slot or at least feeling like it’s not currently a priority after the last two pages of activity
I'm sorry but what?

Here's their two quotes on the matter. Pythag got the train going after maven. There were several posts after maven's that ignored his attempt to start the wagon on brin. Then Pythag came and helped him out, making everyone else who voted follow suit. If there was no pythag vote so quickly, then the brin train would have either not gotten off the ground or would have started much later. This would depend on what brin would have posted if it was just maven voting for them however.

Regardless, the bolded in the second pythag quote shows that they didn't have any suspicion of the wagon, just rax. Who they picked out from the wagon. This feels pretty forced given there was already some heat on rax. Not to mention, they didn't "take issue" with the wagon until way later today, after we had some discussion on the wagon and how fast it went down.

That feels like Py trying to just contribute and skate by, while also not really demonstrating they found anything off about it. After all they were pretty key in starting the wagon. If they felt it was suspicious, they would have spoken up then.

It's too convenient that this comes after the flip of brin, and screams as someone trying to seem town. I really don't see how your view on the slot can change when they were a big factor in said push of brin, and retracted their actions after the flip occurred.
 

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I was grouping them together but it doesn’t read well. Either way I stand by liking how he’s looking at the hammer/wagon.

Mainly because Rajam is a slot I’d like to deal with as well and haven’t liked their sparse contributions when they’ve shown up.
 

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I was grouping them together but it doesn’t read well. Either way I stand by liking how he’s looking at the hammer/wagon.

Mainly because Rajam is a slot I’d like to deal with as well and haven’t liked their sparse contributions when they’ve shown up.
Alright fair enough, I can agree on the Rajam stuff. I was reading through their posts when I looked at other stuff in the thread, and it really is sparse. We really need more activity
 

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Someone refresh me, with 13 players at the beginning, how many werewolves and mafia did we start with? We're down 1 mafia with Tom dead, but how many are left?
 

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Someone refresh me, with 13 players at the beginning, how many werewolves and mafia did we start with? We're down 1 mafia with Tom dead, but how many are left?
... 2 mafia, 2 wolves.

It’s an open setup with the first thing you see on the first page being the set up.
 

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... 2 mafia, 2 wolves.

It’s an open setup with the first thing you see on the first page being the set up.
Thank you, had not checked.
 

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I'm sorry but what?

Here's their two quotes on the matter. Pythag got the train going after maven. There were several posts after maven's that ignored his attempt to start the wagon on brin. Then Pythag came and helped him out, making everyone else who voted follow suit. If there was no pythag vote so quickly, then the brin train would have either not gotten off the ground or would have started much later. This would depend on what brin would have posted if it was just maven voting for them however.

Regardless, the bolded in the second pythag quote shows that they didn't have any suspicion of the wagon, just rax. Who they picked out from the wagon. This feels pretty forced given there was already some heat on rax. Not to mention, they didn't "take issue" with the wagon until way later today, after we had some discussion on the wagon and how fast it went down.

That feels like Py trying to just contribute and skate by, while also not really demonstrating they found anything off about it. After all they were pretty key in starting the wagon. If they felt it was suspicious, they would have spoken up then.

It's too convenient that this comes after the flip of brin, and screams as someone trying to seem town. I really don't see how your view on the slot can change when they were a big factor in said push of brin, and retracted their actions after the flip occurred.
1. I’m suspicious of Rajam, not Rax, I believe.

2. The wagon is tragic, but not scummy. Brindor was trolling. Would you truly defend a player who offered “I-I-‘m a good guy” as his maximum defense?

3. Rajam was already on my radar for being behind (and Kevin was on my radar for being ok with him being behind) Rajam was super behind, the only way he’d be ok slamming it down like this, IMO is because he knew it was someone not on his scum team. FF I’m ok with because he voiced earlier I believed that brindor was a good policy lynch, and FF was caught up and active.

4. It’s ironic you’re talking about the convenience or weirdness of my timing while I am V/LA, yet you seem to disregard Rajam, who again has sporadic at best timing, but manages to show up to hammer. What gives?

5. you say that after my vote the wagon picked up speed. Did my call to action of “Brindor can go” really rally the troops in your mind? The end of the day was coming, that seems to speed up a lot of wagons.

If you can explain to me why Rajam is not scummier than me I would like to hear it
 

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1. I’m suspicious of Rajam, not Rax, I believe.

2. The wagon is tragic, but not scummy. Brindor was trolling. Would you truly defend a player who offered “I-I-‘m a good guy” as his maximum defense?

3. Rajam was already on my radar for being behind (and Kevin was on my radar for being ok with him being behind) Rajam was super behind, the only way he’d be ok slamming it down like this, IMO is because he knew it was someone not on his scum team. FF I’m ok with because he voiced earlier I believed that brindor was a good policy lynch, and FF was caught up and active.

4. It’s ironic you’re talking about the convenience or weirdness of my timing while I am V/LA, yet you seem to disregard Rajam, who again has sporadic at best timing, but manages to show up to hammer. What gives?

5. you say that after my vote the wagon picked up speed. Did my call to action of “Brindor can go” really rally the troops in your mind? The end of the day was coming, that seems to speed up a lot of wagons.

If you can explain to me why Rajam is not scummier than me I would like to hear it
1) Sorry, was typing the wrong user there, but that was less of my point, it was more in regards to Kevin's post.

2) Interesting you say that, when the post I quoted from Kevin implies that he seems to think it was scummy and you were suspicious of it. There was definitely scum intent with it. Weather or not scum started it, or someone on the bus joined to look good/ get rid of them. I never said I cared for brin. In fact yesterday I bought up how I would have sacrificed them later in the game, because that would have been more beneficial to the town. We got rid of a free lynch day one. Their behavior and actions throughout the whole game weren't good, but under the assumption they were scum or just too nooobish, if town was in a tight spot down the line, brin would have been a better play then. There's 6 townies this game, 6 scum( I'm including WW in this number obviously)

Why sac off a slot like that day one, when we could have had other picks that were contributing but gave off more of a scum vibe? In the long term I would wager it be better for town as brin would have been a nice cushion for town down the road should things go south for town.

3) I see your point here, but honestly I don't fully agree with it. You presented a possibility, but rajam and several others were tagged twice in the final hours between one and a half pages. It would take anyone in that tag only a few minutes to read what happened and vote brin. Especially if they read posts from the slot earlier in the game. So weather or not rajam had scum intent here and knew it wasn't their team member, or just saw the tag and read is very debatable. We can't make a good guess on which it is, because both were super easy reasons to validate the vote on their part. That doesn't mean they are innocent, but I don't believe your point here is as solid as it could be.

4) I touched upon this in 3. However I've said that I haven't been a fan of their posts already. I never said I thought they were more or less scummy then anyone, just that I dislike the content they put out.

5) End of the day or not, there was still quite a good discussion and want for a lore lynch, and up until then, mac still had quite a few votes on them. The lynch could have easily gone to either of those two slots, but after your vote, the discussion on lore came to a stop and everyone just went in on brin. Which as I said is an intriguing observation, and could go either way. Regardless of weather or not you are scum, I believe scum had motivations to join the later end of the wagon, which in turned caused any townies or ww's who voted for brin, to join said wagon. My main point was there was very likely scum intent with the wagon as I pointed out with my previous post in response to Kevin's.
 
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