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Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

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so my night ended wayy earlier than expected so im back. (tho if any of yall mofos live in NYC, hit up meadowsweet in brooklyn, that place is fire)

wow so not only did we get ****ing trolled by brindor, he was our ****ing seer

oh mafia with newbies how I've missed you :rolleyes:

atleast the WWs did some work for us knocking off scum!Tom. Probably would have been down for him as a play today anyway but def glad he wasn't given a chance to passively slip into lategame and pull a lurker scum win or some ****. not the most helpful kill for us connection wise considering he didn't really say much D1


Can you point me to what you think the best evidence of a lore/Tom connection is? Toms take on y'alls play didn't stick out during my read thru so I wanna take hard look at what caught your eye

Agreed that Lore can still be top play

Vote: Lore

all about the mutha ****in HBC train choo choooooooo (unless you're scum!Kev then gtfo :hulk:)

It's been awhile since I've played JR but at this point with one non-WW scum down I think we need to focus more on killing WW. Keeping WWs around while there are still 3 non-WW scum can be useful because as townies die their chances of hitting non-WW scum with the NK go way up and it can be useful to have that that pro-town NK go thru. But since we already got one early I think eliminating WW asap will be better for town. Once WW are gone, iirc the game goes nightless which is insanely pro town because we had so much more padding before a lylo situation. Given this, if you really think Lore is non-WW scum with Tom we may want to consider possible alternatives that we think are strong WW candidates, tho I am a bit reluctant to let Lore live as non WW scum anyway. Even if he is non WW scum and WW kill a townie tonight we're still at 5-1-2 tomorrow which is actually a pretty solid position for town as long as we can nail a WW the next phase. Gonna go read on some JR meta strat from mafiascum later today though to make sure I'm applying the wincon appropriately for endgame resolution because I remember this setup has some quirks that deviate from your standard lylo/mylo depending on exactly how many non WW scum are still alive
word your answer to town strategy for this game is exactly what i wanted to hear. it basically lines up with what i was thinking

also the plurality lynch thing is something i was wondering about yesterday and I also checked the rules and didn't see anything, so just assumed it was either we get a majority or it's no lynch.

man FF if you're scum your buddying Mac game is on point cuz i really don't see myself supporting your lynch this game at all

re Lore - Tom connections, i brought it up near the end of my ISO a bit but ill rehash it here:

from Tom's actions it was basically cuz i didn't see how any veteran player would look at my interaction with Lore and think im the most scummy player in the game cuz of it. Tom didn't even talk about the substance of my point against Lore and his main issue was that I stooped to Lore's level by having a back and forth with him. That seemed like a BS reason to scumspect me so i started to look at their connections. Also iirc, Tom's not the kind of player that busses teammates, and bussing is way harder when you can't communicate with scum during the day so it seemed like he was just tryna push town towards lynching me over Lore since it looked like the lynch was gonna be between us 2

but most of the connections come from what Lore did:

firstly, my issue with him contribution signaling re Tom's first post could possibly be explained by light bussing, i.e: he's scum trying to show that he's considering his scummates posts early on

the meat of it however was how Lore made a post discussing his scum pool and Tom was nowhere to be found despite the fact that he included you (iirc) due to your inactivity. but then because someone said that Tom's also inactive and had been liking posts, Lore switches to voting Tom and having him at the top of his lynch pool (i was 6th in the pool). Then as soon as Tom posts and votes me, Lore moves off Tom and also votes me. If you were thinking Lore was scum, like i was, then Lore voting Tom briefly just looked like Lore trying to show a disconnection with Tom while seemingly not ever having the intention of going through with his vote on Tom
 

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#HBC | Mac #HBC | Mac Just caught this post. So, given I didn't post yesterday, have I become more of a scum read to you?
honestly no.

so my thought process was that both you and RR had been relatively active all D1 so it looked suspect that yall would disappear at the end of day without helping town make a lynch. especially since No Lynching is generally bad for town.

and specifically with you, I had considered you noob town and had completely removed you from my radar. but at the end of the Day I got nervous that you might be coasting off the fact basically everyone considered you noobtown, so you as scum might have felt like you had leeway to just disappear from the thread for the last 2 days of D1.

but even then you weren't a major scum consideration of mine as you can see from the lynch pools I posted after I made that post. RR on the other hand does look way worse to me now.

and im immediately back to thinking you're very likely town. the first 2 posts you made toDay just reminded me of how all your posts give off a real genuine vibe like you're legitimately tryna consider who's scum in this game, from a new players POV.
 

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wait FF I’m sorry walk me through this numbers wise. I’m pretty positive Lore is a free bingo space, why don’t we take it?
 

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We really need to hear from Rajam/Maven today. They need to flesh out their views and be actually current with the game.
 

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Can someone give me a synopsis as to why we're suspecting Lore so much this game? Just summarize the main points, I'm a bit confused as to what Lore's done to be read as scum.
so ill try to make this concise cuz my posts somehow end up being way longer than I expect

I've pushing Lore all D1 so you can go back and read those posts (though i dont blame you if you dont cuz they're long af) basically:
  1. Lore saying that Tom's first post merited more attn and that he was gonna look into seems like BS given that it was clear he didn't actually read/grok Tom's post. seems to me that he was just pretending to be scumhunting. (but to be fair most of the players in this game don't think this point is that much of a gotcha as I do)
  2. Lore's reaction when I spent a few posts questioning him and laying out my thought process was excessively defensive. He immediately started accusing me of being detrimental to town and started trying to throw shade at me simply because I pushed him. This over the top reaction is insane. Remember when people were pushing you and giving you **** for your first post? your reaction wasn't to immediately start painting everyone who came at you as scum. Lore did do that and it seems overly defensive
  3. The way he continues to misrepresent my point on him reads as though he's trying to dismiss my push on him to town and make me look like the insane one.
  4. Despite me being 5-6th in his scumpool, right after he saw that Brindor, Z25 and Tom all voted me, he immediately votes me which to me just seems super opportunistic
There's a ton more to this but it's hard to encapsulate it concisely, and if you're more curious i urge you to reread the thread and make your own conclusions

also i feel like you have a good impression of Lore because he gave you some mafia advice earlier in the game. I'll just say that that's super easy to do as either scum or town and should have no bearing on his alignment
 

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We really need to hear from Rajam/Maven today. They need to flesh out their views and be actually current with the game.
agree

i gut read both of them as town but i def dont have much to back it up. Maven though I've generally liked all his contributions even though they've been kinda sparse. it's possible he's been kinda taking a backseat to the game to see which way the winds are blowing and going along with that. him pushing Tom is a big plus for me
 

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Maven is null/lean town
Rajam is null/lean scum
Z25 same as Rajam.

That’s where I sit on this game for the most part.

We are in a good spot
 

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noone gave good analysis on Tom's nkill yet so ill just throw in my own thoughts

I feel like the people who pushed Tom yesterday, (i guess just me and maven) look solidly not-WW to me. I doubt WWs would start pushing Tom and then after seeing how more ppl are starting to consider him as a play, still decide to nkill him. Like if you're WW and you pushed Tom, you probably would think that town would be likely to go ahead with lynching him anyway so he wouldn't be a priority night kill.

also I think it's worth taking a look at Tom's only real post yesterday to see who mighta felt threatened by him. but im too lazy to do that atm

i have a conspiracy theory that Lore killed Tom thinking that he could paint me as scum when Tom flips town (like he was trying to at the end of D1) but that literally just completely goes against my earlier post about Tom / Lore's connections. so i don't give this much credence, it just tells me that my tunnel on Lore is serious. though 100% merited

all in all the Tom nkill has me confused
 

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noone gave good analysis on Tom's nkill yet so ill just throw in my own thoughts

I feel like the people who pushed Tom yesterday, (i guess just me and maven) look solidly not-WW to me. I doubt WWs would start pushing Tom and then after seeing how more ppl are starting to consider him as a play, still decide to nkill him. Like if you're WW and you pushed Tom, you probably would think that town would be likely to go ahead with lynching him anyway so he wouldn't be a priority night kill.

also I think it's worth taking a look at Tom's only real post yesterday to see who mighta felt threatened by him. but im too lazy to do that atm

i have a conspiracy theory that Lore killed Tom thinking that he could paint me as scum when Tom flips town (like he was trying to at the end of D1) but that literally just completely goes against my earlier post about Tom / Lore's connections. so i don't give this much credence, it just tells me that my tunnel on Lore is serious. though 100% merited

all in all the Tom nkill has me confused
This is a fair point. I’ve seen a few plays where people with night kills still target the person that had a lot of eyes of them. Usually that’s a third party move though. I don’t think that’s the case here though as I doubt we have one in this setup.

My guess right now would be that by taking Tom out they hope to get lore or someone else to be the focus of today. It’s really odd to take tom out otherwise imo, unless you want to setup for someone to take the fall.
 

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Mac is bad for all previously stated reasons, including his most recent post that continues the same stuff I criticized him for.

Vote: Mac

RR is second priority for me, and he seriously needs some pressure on his slot. He hasn't done a single thing to improve my view of him. I say he's second priority, but I'm happy to swap to him if needed.

I also want to see more from Rajam and Maven, as others have said. Definitely having trouble reading their slot.

I still disagree with the case against Pythag and find it to be weird, especially with RR. Kev has some weird stuff with that case too, but he hasn't done much questionable stuff (imo) since the bits I've already stated about him. RR is the opposite.

Raxx feels like a new player trying to find his footing. It's very frustrating to see him work so hard yet Brindor decided to troll. What a s***show from our f***ing PR.

Diving into the TomKill motivation is already bringing up some hella WIFOM, be careful diving too deep into that hole. I have some thoughts on it but will wait until tomorrow to chew on them and share.

I'm very tired tonight and may be forgetting a player or two. If so, I apologize. Long (but fun) day.
 

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the fact that you still think i'm scum after my BLATANT towniness is just another reason you deserve to die
 

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i have a conspiracy theory that Lore killed Tom thinking that he could paint me as scum when Tom flips town (like he was trying to at the end of D1) but that literally just completely goes against my earlier post about Tom / Lore's connections. so i don't give this much credence, it just tells me that my tunnel on Lore is serious. though 100% merited
:/

All I'm going to say toDay about the bolded section.

I'll save thoughts on the rest until tomorrow, major bad vibes on this post but not conscious enough to dive in.
 

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Not trying to spark another 1v1 spiel here, but town players don't have to scream that they're "blatant" town. Nor do they say someone should die for questioning their towniness.
 

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like Lore, does Tom's flip not change your impression on me at all? you think I was bussing him or that I'm WW?
 

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You seem perturbed :)
No you seem opportunistic

Notice how I was the first person to respond to you and you want to immediately pass the blame to me.

Yet when I’m Inactive that’s also a problem for you and mac

And no I ask you a simple question and you want to refuse?

Yeah nice try busy. I ain’t perturbed. You want to see that read the other games or he’ll ask Lore Lore about that time we got in a huge debate in mafia.

Anyway not letting you slide on this one:

Vote: Kevin
 

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Very interesting post, totally a townie reaction.

Also why would I bother reading other games when you're not even trying to play this one:

Usually that’s a third party move though. I don’t think that’s the case here though as I doubt we have one in this setup.
Glad you doubt we have a third party in an open set-up though.

My vote isn't moving today.
 

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Very interesting post, totally a townie reaction.

Also why would I bother reading other games when you're not even trying to play this one:



Glad you doubt we have a third party in an open set-up though.

My vote isn't moving today.
Ah yes I’m totally not playing this game. What a valid excuse, when I’ve been active and unlike you I can’t sit here all day and talk to myself.

I already told you all I had a concusion and would be back in full force tomorrow.

Or did you choose to ignore that to try and tunnel me.

Since you dodged my first question, maybe you will answer this, how is my response not of a townies?

Are you trying to say townies can’t ask questions and should just sit here twiddling their thumbs and not speak up for themselves? Because that’s a pretty ****ing stupid philosophy tbh.

So please don’t tell me how to play the game if you can’t listen to anyone’s opinions.
I could care less about your vote, but if your going to accuse anyone in this game, you should have reason.
Which you clearly lack due your choice to not comment any further
 

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woah keep my name outcha mouth



mmmmm questionable
It’s nothing personally against you, just an example I used based on this game’s events. Looking back on things, I don’t have as much reason to prioritize you today over certain others. I’ll post a full thought list on the brinoor stuff tomorrow
 

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I have to admit, I'm rather hesitant on the Lore wagon. There is bias involved, I trust him in particular since he gave me serious help with setting me on the right path with scumhunting.

I will acknowledge however that there is evidence against him. His interactions with Tom now have new light shed on them due to Tom's recent flip. It's strong enough that I will say it makes him a good candidate for lynching. However, a free space? I disagree. Which is why I'm holding off for now.

You seem perturbed :)
I kinda am taking Z25's side on this, you haven't really specified why he comes off as WW to you.
 

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The concussion defense doesn't continually excuse you from basic slipping that would show you're not interested in the game mechanics, which is a pretty common scum tell.

It's an open set-up and you're setting up this weird hypothetical about a third party being the potential reason for a Tom NK.

Everything else in that post is useless.

To borrow a Mac term, it's contribution signaling on top of a pretty blatant disregard for the set up.

I call you out on it and you've become extremely emotional and just OMGUS voted immediately, started going into AtE and Ad Hominem defense s

I already told you all I had a concusion and would be back in full force tomorrow.

Or did you choose to ignore that to try and tunnel me.
- AtE

Ah yes I’m totally not playing this game. What a valid excuse, when I’ve been active and unlike you I can’t sit here all day and talk to myself.
- Ad Hominem

Pretty blatant switch in tone from how you've played this game thus far.
 

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Seems pretty similar to how you went after Rexxal randomly yesterDay for not tagging you when specifically asking your slot to contribute.
 

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The concussion defense doesn't continually excuse you from basic slipping that would show you're not interested in the game mechanics, which is a pretty common scum tell.

It's an open set-up and you're setting up this weird hypothetical about a third party being the potential reason for a Tom NK.

Everything else in that post is useless.

To borrow a Mac term, it's contribution signaling on top of a pretty blatant disregard for the set up.

I call you out on it and you've become extremely emotional and just OMGUS voted immediately, started going into AtE and Ad Hominem defense s



- AtE


- Ad Hominem

Pretty blatant switch in tone from how you've played this game thus far.
Did I say there’s a third party definitely?

No I said I’ve seen third parties use similar strats and whoever the WW is could take inspiration from those types of playa

Not to mention now your just nitpicking.

Your problem before was my inactivity now your saying it’s me slipping. Your literally pulling terms out of your ass to try and make me look bad, and that’s sad.

My reaction was far from emotional. That’s a hell of a stretch you put out there. I asked what made you think that, and you chose to not answer and sayid I was emotional.

Your logic is lacking.
 
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