Jigglypuff Discussion

[asianaussie]

Seems the original definition of 'mindgame' has been marked as deceased. Can we hold a funeral?

 

[The Star King]

As for Star King, maybe his mom's been done so many times by so many men that it doesn't bother him, but to those of us whose progenitors' pudenda can't be used as tractor storage facilities, it's a little upsetting when people talk about our mothers in sexual ways.

Or many I've heard so many men CLAIM they've done my mom that it doesn't bother me. It's not like it's rare for guys to say such things as a joke/insult.

Seems the original definition of 'mindgame' has been marked as deceased. Can we hold a funeral?

The death of the definition of "mindgame" was years ago, as was the funeral.

 

[Battlecow]

My point is that even if it's in jest, this is your mom we're talking about. Come on. You don't let guys imply sexual things about your mother! It's just wrong!

 

[StretchNutz]

quit your *****ing, jesus christ. I was really just secretly calling him out for being a low-level player.

Now on topic: Jiggs sucks. Don't play her.

 

[Battlecow]

That was a mean thing to say, brah.

And yeah, no one plays Jiggs, do they? Bad idea if so.

On Malva's stream today, I saw his Jiggs start a combo on Nova's Doug with fthrow-Usmash-Usmash. Anyone else see that?

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

quit your *****ing, jesus christ. I was really just secretly calling him out for being a low-level player.

Now on topic: Jiggs sucks. Don't play her.

What a weird way to do so... >__>
But lets leave that in the past.

Back on topic...
I was trying to do the teleport in the "run -> back -> jump" way, and I don't know if it's that I'm too use to do it in the 270 degrees way, but I feel it the same, (speaking about difficulty)

 

[ciaza]

Platdrop>rest on a mine allows you to avoid the explosion of the mine thanks to invincibility frames. Pre sure it works on bob-ombs and other explosives too.

Spoiler

Important discovery

 

[The Star King]

The platform drop isn't necessary.

 

[ciaza]

Yeah you're right. It had to be platdrop in (A) though as the rest hitbox is positioned weirdly (on mines, at least).

 

[The Star King]

(A)? Don't tell me there's an Australian version? Did Link's boomerang get a huge buff to rep the country?

 

[ciaza]

Unfortunately not. 60 fps is pretty cool though. Only thing that has changed is that the rest hitbox is like 4 pixels large from what I can tell.

 

[dch111]

Uses for descending pound? Or combos using it?

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

Meh. I think I may have used it once by accident in a stupid Hyrule combo and it may or may not have worked. Don't remember, and I don't think it matters much.

 

[tyhiggz]

Are there uses for d-tilt (mid-combo or otherwise)?

 

[The Star King]

It can combo at high-ish %s on fastfallers, that's pretty much it AFAIK

 

[asianaussie]

it can force techchases at mid-percent

it can probably link to pound > rest, but i dunno

 

[cheeseball341]

Im a solid 60% sure you can dtilt > teleport rest where you full jump after the teleport on some characters.

 

[SSBPete]

^^yeah you can, prince does it

 

[Sephirothxxx]

/bump

Yo guys. Just changed my main to jiggz a few days ago. I have to say I enjoy using her, or it, or whatever!

 

[TalosSSB]

Talos says Jigglypuff can be very dangerous if used correctly.

 

[Sempiternity]

Talos says Jigglypuff can be very dangerous if used correctly.

As can Ness.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Thats so true. I've seen some super great Ness players that make him look useful.

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

Aaaannddd bringing it back to Jiggly, at what position does jiggly have to be on another character in the air when pounding to make them fly forward instead? I've seen a double pound into rest done that way.

 

[The Star King]

Slightly behind her, it's a normal reverse hitbox I'm pretty sure

 

[M!nt]

Reversals are hard, you guys are too good.

 

[SSBPete]

i find reverse pound combos much easier

all my jiggs combos on yt or at least a good 90% of them only use reverse pound

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

Aha, got it!
...I'm guessing practice will allow for me to develop a better eye of when to use it. At the moment, only heavier characters seem like I'll be able to reverse pound them in competitive play for combos.

 

[xxbroken-gloryxx]

I really love Puff in 64, he can really deadly if you learn how to use him. Mainly because rest is super easy to pull off in this game.

Totally agree. I main Jiggs and Falcon and Jiggs is super deadly if you use a simple DAIR into Up-tilts (up to about 90%) into an Up-Smash or rest.

 

[Sangoku]

I heard of this thing called DI... JK, but at a higher level of play it gets more difficult to initiate a combo. And at higher level of play, almost any combo with any character is supposed to be deadly/dealing a lot of damage. Also, "she" please.

 

[The Star King]

Hey man Puff can really deadly if you know how to use him

 

[TranqJim]

Players who don't expect a deadly a puff suffer but on the other hand those who have seen puff at her finest already know what to expect

 

[Yobolight]

As a Jigglypuff vs Kirby and Pikachu what is your preferred stage?

I typically bring them both to dreamland, but I am not sure if this is because it is optimal for matchup or because of personal preference.
I am more confident that Jiggs is better versus Kirby on Dreamland because Kirby can't really poke under the platforms the same way Pikachu can.

I am thinking mostly DL vs Hyrule, but I would love to hear a case for Congo.

 

[mixa]

Does anyone know how many frames of delay her Dair has when not z-canceled?

 

[XKCP]

As a Jigglypuff vs Kirby and Pikachu what is your preferred stage?

I typically bring them both to dreamland, but I am not sure if this is because it is optimal for matchup or because of personal preference.
I am more confident that Jiggs is better versus Kirby on Dreamland because Kirby can't really poke under the platforms the same way Pikachu can.

I am thinking mostly DL vs Hyrule, but I would love to hear a case for Congo.

Congo has a neat trick where you can shield break on a rising platform and survive because you collide with the platform instantaneously on shieldbreak, so it can save you at times (biggest shield in the game and you break it? GTFO).

Since Puff is light and has a nice dair, I usually like playing on DL. Although, Rest makes it easy for her to KO on pretty much every stage so that's not such a problem. I would just want to avoid the **** tent on Hyrule. Wall bounces are deadly in this game and Puff will die to a Fox or Pika in that tent pretty quick. DL lets you fly off to either side of the stage whenever hit and recover high so you're not trapped at least. Tornado play against Jiggz can also be annoying so I prefer to avoid that; you shouldn't really be in such bad positions that you have to take a KO from them, but comparatively the wind won't kill you from DL.

As far as specifics go in Jiggly vs Kirby, I just play it as a crappier Kirby vs Kirby (except the former has Rest). Both have nice utilts and dair use, and fsmash can be handy.

 

[Cobrevolution]

(biggest shield in the game and you break it? GTFO).

just to clear up, it still lasts just as long as every other shield, it is merely more protective (ie you cannot stab her like you can the monkey). right?

 

[XKCP]

just to clear up, it still lasts just as long as every other shield, it is merely more protective (ie you cannot stab her like you can the monkey). right?

Yeah, that is correct.

Reference: http://www.smashboards.com/threads/shields-everything-you-need-to-know-about-them.302259/

 

[Sangoku]

just to clear up, it still lasts just as long as every other shield, it is merely more protective (ie you cannot stab her like you can the monkey). right?

Yeah, it's even a disadvantage as she can't get hit while shielding which makes her more susceptible to have a shieldbreak.

Lame advertising, but here's the video of Jigglypuff surviving

 

[meowmeowrainbowkitty]

As a Jigglypuff vs Kirby and Pikachu what is your preferred stage?

I typically bring them both to dreamland, but I am not sure if this is because it is optimal for matchup or because of personal preference.
I am more confident that Jiggs is better versus Kirby on Dreamland because Kirby can't really poke under the platforms the same way Pikachu can.

I am thinking mostly DL vs Hyrule, but I would love to hear a case for Congo.

I think I like hyrule better. I can kill with rest at around 80, but still get the survivability of the big stage. Yes, tornadoes suck, but I still like it. Plus, big flat stage = teleports like it's my business.

 

[LBJ]

2 puffs, 1 team, Champions?

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

2 puffs, 1 team, Champions?

nah, you get hit away once and you can't help your partner

Jiggs jab is also slow (which makes it so rest combos might be a bit more problematic and Jiggs has issues helping his/her partner due to somewhat bad aerial mobility.

Though it all works out in a 2v1, singfinite.