JFox's Tri-State Player Tier List

[indianunit]

Why arent I on this list rofl.

I would probably be under jfox by like 10 levels lol

Edit: swiftbass I can't help but laugh at your sig lmao

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Eh i mean at this point I really do think Jman should be ahead of Eggm. Lol I put Jman over the top, haha he beat me at a LI tourny a lil over a month ago and he has been beasting ever since. He ***** all those NE tournies and did mad good this past weekend.

I think Pakman should def be in the high tier section, I just dnt know where.

Where the **** is Do!!!! Jiggs is too good. I wish he'd enter singles more often though.
And Jfox whats your AIM?

 

[SwiftBass]

INUI ur wrong HBK > spam right now.

spam would have to make a tourney appearence and out place him by a good margin and/or beat him for me to be convinced(not that it matters >_>). HBK's been doin mad good lately. I mean I think spam is better but I wish spam had some recent entries in tourney

God Tier
M2k

Upper Tier
Cactuar
Eggm/Jman


High Tier
HBK/Spamerer
Scar
Swift will soon not enter tourneys as swift, cuz he found a new handle
Reno
Vanz
DJ Nintendo

Mid Tier
Sensei
Pakman
Tec0
Alukard
Hazzard
G-money

????
?????

 

[teh_spamerer]

Spam lost to DJ Nintendo, and didn't do so hot vs Scar or Jman.

My tech skill was pretty garbage for most of the day except in a few sets .

But as for against Jman and Scar <_<

against Scar
r1 - I get ***** wtf .
r2 - I win with two SDs
r3 - I lost my first stock in the first twelve seconds and still ***** the balls off of Scar

against Jman
r1 - I got 2 stocked on stadium
r2 - Last stock on Floats with an SD
r3 - I won last stock on FoD, don't remember %
r4 - I lost last stock over 100% on stadium

personally tho, I don't think me, tec0, or Sensei should be on the list. We've each been to one tournament in like the past six months <_<.

 

[dmbrandon]

Peach vs GW is like 80-15. The other 5% goes to the ****ty stage you're gonna pick.

I'll do Falco vs peach with those odds. And I'll see you if you come to Rutgers tonight.

 

[CT Chia]

il take 5-1 odds samus v GaW best of 1 on stadium

 

[Cactuar]

Yo, I'll take your 5:1 odds Peach vs my GW.

And I'll take that best of 1 on stadium Samus vs GW too.

 

[Teczer0]

il take 5-1 odds samus v GaW best of 1 on stadium

I'll do it for best of 3 all on stadium .

 

[GOTM]

il take 5-1 odds samus v GaW best of 1 on stadium

thats the most ******** match ever, lol

 

[Teczer0]

I'm not even sure if it works but I'm pretty sure

credit card > missle

SSBM is a game about making sense

 

[pockyD]

it's a box

and like even most jabs in the game beat missiles -_-

 

[Mew2King]

God Tier
M2k

Upper Tier
Cactuar
Jman
Eggm

High Tier
Spamerer

I don't care anymore, but those 5 are in order and needed to be fixed so I fixed it

 

[Scar]

Yeah that's my exact list, Jman has beaten Eggm in like the past 3 of their sets together and has taken a set off M2K?? I think that's open and shut.

Spam is ALMOST on Eggm's level so I feel bad putting him any lower than top of high tier. I have most consistently placed immediately behind JMan/Eggm/Cactuar so I think I'm easily next on the list, but that should be decided by others I suppose. Also I just beat Eggm in tourney and almost beat Spam and I've gotten way better @ the spacie matchup since E52 so I don't see justifying HBK or Reno over me, my placements have been consistently higher.

I do however maintain that HBK/Reno should undoubtedly be next, so idk I think that everything you said is true on average but when you consider more recent results I think my list is better.

 

[Mew2King]

decided by others, scar? just decide yourself, you dont need others to tell you how good you are if you have an actual opinion on it

results aren't everything btw, although granted they are the biggest factor

 

[Scar]

Well I think it's obvi that I'm above everyone I have below me, I think JFox always overrates HBK but that's fine, he's an amazing player and we've been through this before.

My putting Reno high has nothing to do with how he did against me, he just, in the past 2 tournies, has ripped it up and has gotten above 5th and 5th/52 players. He has just stepped it up and I think that's obvious without having to see him do it 8 times in a row.

HBK is still that **** good but I just can see Reno doing well against him now, and consistently placing as well or better than him at this point. And I still see me outplacing both of them lololol.

edit: **** you spam you didn't **** me at all, next time you lose and that's a guarantee

 

[Teczer0]

My tech skill was pretty garbage for most of the day except in a few sets .

But as for against Jman and Scar <_<

against Scar
r1 - I get ***** wtf .
r2 - I win a 2v1, Me vs Scar and Goldeen
r3 - I lost my first stock in the first twelve seconds and still ***** the balls off of Scar

Get ***** by goldeen LOL

 

[Inui]

teh_spamerer is extremely underrated.

This reminds me of how Mew2King is so underrated outside of this region.

teh_spamerer is underrated by the people that don't play him a lot and really know him because he's lame and won't go anywhere.

 

[JFox]

Results mean a lot less than who you beat. If you have an easy bracket, you can easily make your way up to 5th. The simple fact that HBK can beat more people than Reno makes it very very clear in my mind that he deserves to be higher.

Also I just beat Eggm in tourney

This kinda bothered me. You beat Eggm's Fox in tourney. Thats noteable, but is certainly not the same. Plenty of people can beat Cactuar's Falco/Falcon, but you can't say "Oh I've beaten Cactuar in tourney."

HBK, my Aim is SoEuphoric87.

Oh and btw, I think I'm havin people over for smash on saturday. People should try and make it.

Edit: Inui I've played spamerer a whole lot, and I can def say that I feel that Eggm and Jman are def better than him. I do think he's better than Scar, and I don't know how I feel about him vs HBK. Its pretty close.

 

[CT Chia]

spammer v hbk is rly close, i can't think of whos better.

teczero - il do it without the odds
tuar - never. ur gaw ***** lol

 

[Cactuar]

Team CactusSpammerer is top tier.

Cactus: Yo spam, I'm gonna use my teams strategy next round.
Spam: Wait... what should I do?
Cactus: Whatever you want.

CactusSpam proceeds to **** Mew2King and Azen for the next two rounds.

Spam: What the ****.

 

[JFox]

It almost looks like you are fishing for a compliment...

Ditto.

10

 

[Scar]

Alright well w/e idk why you underrate ME so much, prob because you beat me in a MM, but like I have placed CONSISTENTLY above HBK and Reno and at the last tourney got 4th with Spam at 3rd, which is Spam's first tournament in the past forever.

So my only real argumentation about me lies right there, my consistent placement above both of them and tellingly dominant 1v1 record vs. both of them.

I just think that sometimes when lists like these are done people have been blindfolded to the past month. You really have to keep current, and a tourney 2 weeks ago is way more telling than a tourney a month ago.

Edit: LMFAO truthhh

Edit2: And results don't mean as much when you get like... 17th-9th all the time, but if it's between being able to place top 5 consistently that says A LOT. So no, I maintain that placement should be a deciding factor between the 4 of us.

 

[Inui]

Edit: Inui I've played spamerer a whole lot, and I can def say that I feel that Eggm and Jman are def better than him. I do think he's better than Scar, and I don't know how I feel about him vs HBK. Its pretty close.

Me too, and I never once thought Eggm was better than him in the entire time they both have been playing Melee. What strangely differing opinions...!

 

[Mew2King]

wow cactuar, we like 5 or 6 stocked you the first game, you won the 2nd cuz neither me nor azen had the tech skill to use fox at that time when you picked corneria to barely win, then you won last game from a 0% shinespike. We were both rusty as **** at that time as well.

 

[Cactuar]

Mew2King. *facepalm*

I was creating a fictional situation, loosely based on events that actually occured. Mostly to make fun of you with. For sucking. And losing with Azen on your team.

@Jfox: I was not fishing for a compliment. I was complimenting myself.


Spam has always been near Eggm's level. Spam is a much smarter player and Eggm has teh combos. Both are pretty lasercampy.

Jman has stepped up a ridiculous amount recently and is without a doubt more difficult to beat than Eggm. I feel like Eggm hasn't really been practicing, so it's not a surprise.

 

[JFox]

Alright well w/e idk why you underrate ME so much, prob because you beat me in a MM, but like I have placed CONSISTENTLY above HBK and Reno and at the last tourney got 4th with Spam at 3rd, which is Spam's first tournament in the past forever.

So my only real argumentation about me lies right there, my consistent placement above both of them and tellingly dominant 1v1 record vs. both of them.

I just think that sometimes when lists like these are done people have been blindfolded to the past month. You really have to keep current, and a tourney 2 weeks ago is way more telling than a tourney a month ago.

My beating you does not change anything. The simple fact that you have never beaten Cactuar, Jman, or Eggm in a real tourney set is what holds you back in my mind. As for spam being above you, you actually agreed with me there. The only person you put yourself higher than is HBK, which I strongly disagree with. You are totally ignoring all of his matches vs other people, and just basing that off how you do against him.

HBK has gotten first place, taking out both Eggm and Jman at a few tourneys. You've never gotten first at any tourney as far as I know. So i dunno why you think you outplace him. And even if you do, you only do it by beating people that aren't at that higher level. Its nice that you can place 5th, but if you're not beating good people to get there, its not that great in my mind. Other than Eggm's Fox, who did you beat to earn 4th last tourney?

Here's how I think of it- If you, Jman, Eggm, and HBK go to a tourney, who has the best chance at winning it? Eggm wins vs Jman 55% of the time. Eggm wins vs HBK 70% of the time. Eggm wins vs you 100% of the time.

Jman wins vs HBK 65% of the time. Jman wins vs Scar 100% of the time.

Scar wins vs HBK 65% of the time.

If these were the real percents, I would assume you would have absolutely no chance at 1st, little chance at 2nd, and a 50% chance at third (50% is because HBK could potentially knock Jman or Eggm out, making them take 3rd not you). HBK has maybe a small chance at first, a fair chance at 2nd, and very good chance at third.

Unless you can beat SOMEONE else besides HBK, how could you possibly be above HBK? Thats all I see.

Edit: I hope you can see this stuff objectively. I have no reason to be negatively biased towards you, nor do I have reason to have positive bias towards HBK. I like ya both, just gotta tell it like it is. I think Scar has a lot of room to move up, he just needs to do somethin about those two Falcon killers.

 

[Scar]

Yeah but honestly when's the last time we've seen HBK take a set off of Cactus (which even if he did probably would be as legit if not less than me beating Eggm) or JMan? Or Eggm for that matter?

I see what you're saying, he's capable, but I haven't seen him do it. And recently I've done a lot to make me at least capable at this point.

Again yeah it's just a discussion and I hate talking about myself and where I should be because it comes off as bragging but I know that if there is an actual rankings list and I'm below HBK I'll be pissed.

 

[Mew2King]

Jfox there's more to it than that. Who would do the best in a national tourney, think of it that way.

 

[pockyD]

it's not exactly fair to rate yourself on potential (what you've "done to make [you] at least capable"), because while you have access to this "information", at the same time, you can't make any real assumptions about whether HBK himself has done anything to make himself more or less "capable"

 

[Mew2King]

My beating you does not change anything. The simple fact that you have never beaten Cactuar, Jman, or Eggm in a real tourney set is what holds you back in my mind. As for spam being above you, you actually agreed with me there. The only person you put yourself higher than is HBK, which I strongly disagree with. You are totally ignoring all of his matches vs other people, and just basing that off how you do against him.

HBK has gotten first place, taking out both Eggm and Jman at a few tourneys. You've never gotten first at any tourney as far as I know. So i dunno why you think you outplace him. And even if you do, you only do it by beating people that aren't at that higher level. Its nice that you can place 5th, but if you're not beating good people to get there, its not that great in my mind. Other than Eggm's Fox, who did you beat to earn 4th last tourney?

Here's how I think of it- If you, Jman, Eggm, and HBK go to a tourney, who has the best chance at winning it? Eggm wins vs Jman 55% of the time. Eggm wins vs HBK 70% of the time. Eggm wins vs you 100% of the time.

Jman wins vs HBK 65% of the time. Jman wins vs Scar 100% of the time.

Scar wins vs HBK 65% of the time.

If these were the real percents, I would assume you would have absolutely no chance at 1st, little chance at 2nd, and a 50% chance at third (50% is because HBK could potentially knock Jman or Eggm out, making them take 3rd not you). HBK has maybe a small chance at first, a fair chance at 2nd, and very good chance at third.

Unless you can beat SOMEONE else besides HBK, how could you possibly be above HBK? Thats all I see.

Edit: I hope you can see this stuff objectively. I have no reason to be negatively biased towards you, nor do I have reason to have positive bias towards HBK. I like ya both, just gotta tell it like it is. I think Scar has a lot of room to move up, he just needs to do somethin about those two Falcon killers.

I feel HBK would beat Jman like 10% of the time if Jman is playing really good against him. I don't see Scar touching him either if he's playing like that. Marth does much better vs Fox than Falcon does vs Fox. Jman beats my marth like half the time when he is playing at his very best, but when he's not playing good I can 3-4 stock him often. So what are we basing off of? Averages, or bests? Eggm doesn't win vs Scar 100% Scar beat his Fox, it's Eggms fault for switching. I guess my loss to Mango doesn't count when I use Sheik then??? See, that's stupid. Eggm wins vs Jman 55% of the time? lol, Jman said this weekend he 4 stocked him in friendly, and he was much harder to fight than eggm was esp in teams. I seriously doubt that.

All I know for sure is that my top 5, me cactuar jman eggm spam, is in exact order.

Try not to think more of how they would all do against each other and think how they would do against everyone overall over the course of many national tourneys. That's a much better way to speculate.

 

[R3N0]

FELLAS FELLAS PLEASE!! This is like destroying friendships lol..

I think that.. I should like be placed lower... lol I had a semi-easy bracket... other people had to play the top 4.. Eggm, M2k, Jman, Spam. Scar and I are semi-same level, although the match up is in my favor I think he's done better in tournaments overall.

Btw jman has REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY stepped it up and is currently imo better than eggm.

M2k, Cactuar, Jman , Eggm. Now spam is really really good. but he hasn't come to tournametns and placed often.. now if it was just based on skill spam is definitely rounding out top 5. but tournament placings this is 1 out of like past like 3 months. So its iffy there.


Then theres Scar, Me, HBK, DJ, Vanz, Hazz, Sensei, Pakman

I think by character matchups.. HBK would be next on the list, just from his past tournaments. granted he hasn't showed up to too many.. and is pretty rusty.. he might not get right next up there..

it should really be two lists now that I think about it.. .. Overall performance and Recent performance?

Recent performance would put scar and I up there.
Scar
Reno
HBK/Vanz/DJ
Pakman


Overall?
HBK
Scar
Sensei
Vanz
Hazz
Reno
DJ/Pakman

-------------- thats imo.
don't kill me :-x

 

[Scar]

it's not exactly fair to rate yourself on potential (what you've "done to make [you] at least capable"), because while you have access to this "information", at the same time, you can't make any real assumptions about whether HBK himself has done anything to make himself more or less "capable"

I'm not rating myself on potential it's what we've seen last weekend, I was not as good vs spacies or vs Marth as I am now as evidenced by my beating Eggm's fox which is unprecedented, going toe-to-toe with Spam, that set could have gone either way obviously, and my set vs HBK where I just combo and move around and recover better vs Marth than I used to.

JFox IMO was rating HBK on his ability to beat Eggm/JMan/Cactuar but I remarked that while he may be cabable of this as demonstrated by few-and-far-between (albeit more than my) tournament wins over them, they have not been recent and therefore are not important in my opinion.

Anyways I'll do my best not to post in here anymore lol since I am just not comfortable talking about it but either way we've learned that Tri-State is beast as hell and all of us push eachother to get better biweekly-in and biweekly-out.

 

[R3N0]

I'm not rating myself on potential it's what we've seen last weekend, I was not as good vs spacies or vs Marth as I am now as evidenced by my beating Eggm's fox which is unprecedented, going toe-to-toe with Spam, that set could have gone either way obviously, and my set vs HBK where I just combo and move around and recover better vs Marth than I used to.

JFox IMO was rating HBK on his ability to beat Eggm/JMan/Cactuar but I remarked that while he may be cabable of this as demonstrated by few-and-far-between (albeit more than my) tournament wins over them, they have not been recent and therefore are not important in my opinion.

Anyways I'll do my best not to post in here anymore lol since I am just not comfortable talking about it but either way we've learned that Tri-State is beast as hell and all of us push eachother to get better biweekly-in and biweekly-out.

100% agreed scar!!!

this topic is too much controversy!

 

[SwiftBass]

I feel HBK would beat Jman like 10% of the time if Jman is playing really good against him. I don't see Scar touching him either if he's playing like that. Marth does much better vs Fox than Falcon does vs Fox. Jman beats my marth like half the time when he is playing at his very best, but when he's not playing good I can 3-4 stock him often. So what are we basing off of? Averages, or bests? Eggm doesn't win vs Scar 100% Scar beat his Fox, it's Eggms fault for switching. I guess my loss to Mango doesn't count when I use Sheik then??? See, that's stupid. Eggm wins vs Jman 55% of the time? lol, Jman said this weekend he 4 stocked him in friendly, and he was much harder to fight than eggm was esp in teams. I seriously doubt that.

All I know for sure is that my top 5, me cactuar jman eggm spam, is in exact order.

Try not to think more of how they would all do against each other and think how they would do against everyone overall over the course of many national tourneys. That's a much better way to speculate.

i agree with mew2king

 

[Razor]

This reminds me of how Mew2King is so underrated outside of this region.

ummmmm, no. ppl outside the atlantic north absolutely worship m2k. they don't cheer for him bc we all know he's going to win. if m2k even loses a stock, people go nuts bc he's that freaking good. you guys are lucky to have fatuar and m2k in that region.

 

[JFox]

Try not to think more of how they would all do against each other and think how they would do against everyone overall over the course of many national tourneys. That's a much better way to speculate.

LOLOL, what national tourneys?! Haha. Every tourney this area goes to, we rock the house. I mean HBK and Jman both beat Cort, and Jman beat Darc. Unfortunately HBK didn't get the chance to play darc, i wish i coulda seen that fight.

M2k, you're pretty bad at making arguments. Your example of me counting your set vs Mango with your sheik is bad logic. You picked sheik to try to win, not to go easy on him. Eggm purposely picked a character that he knew he was worse off using, just like Cactuar often does. To count that set is ridiculous. We all know scar was capable of beating Eggm's Fox. His fox is far from as good, but he is working on it. Same thing as when he fought Jman in dittos. He obviously wasn't picking fox to win, just to try and learn Fox.

One thing is for sure though, theres pretty much nobody that can handle this region. You would have to go all the way down to florida, or to West coast, just to get some decent competition. We are the new MD/VA.


Anyway, its hard to make a list just cuz with each tourney people get so good so fast. I wouldn't be surprised if someone knew started turning heads. And I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months Scar started beating eggm/jman, just cuz he has some much room to move up. I'm glad these are just hypothetical, but i do like discussing them.

 

[pockyD]

*waves pom poms*

and no one underrates m2k

 

[CT Chia]

LOLOL, what national tourneys?! Haha. Every tourney this area goes to, we rock the house. I mean HBK and Jman both beat Cort, and Jman beat Darc. Unfortunately HBK didn't get the chance to play darc, i wish i coulda seen that fight.

M2k, you're pretty bad at making arguments. Your example of me counting your set vs Mango with your sheik is bad logic. You picked sheik to try to win, not to go easy on him. Eggm purposely picked a character that he knew he was worse off using, just like Cactuar often does. To count that set is ridiculous. We all know scar was capable of beating Eggm's Fox. His fox is far from as good, but he is working on it. Same thing as when he fought Jman in dittos. He obviously wasn't picking fox to win, just to try and learn Fox.

One thing is for sure though, theres pretty much nobody that can handle this region. You would have to go all the way down to florida, or to West coast, just to get some decent competition. We are the new MD/VA.


Anyway, its hard to make a list just cuz with each tourney people get so good so fast. I wouldn't be surprised if someone knew started turning heads. And I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months Scar started beating eggm/jman, just cuz he has some much room to move up. I'm glad these are just hypothetical, but i do like discussing them.

just tryin to catch up on something i think i missed... so eggm went fox on scar and ur saying it shouldnt count as much as normal? if we are to the point where we can't count tourney sets, then what do we base judgement. and its a lil differ than from a small tourney or regular biweekly where like eggm might say, im going all fox this tourney for practice, this was an anmc event. stuff was on the line, and it was a big tourney. every match in this tourney should count regardless, and hold a tad more weight than a normal tourney.

 

[kirbstir]

Can't we all get along and agree that the Tri-State area is terrible in comparison to MD/VA?

[/flamewar]

 

[Mew2King]

*throws fireball*