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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

BluePikmin11

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Welcome.



It's certainly a possibility. But there is more to the character than that. Several of his attacks directly revolve around him jumping, including his standard attack swing! Plus, due to the jumping in the puzzles in Golden Sun, he does jump more than any other RPG hero I think I've ever met, so he should be decently comfortable in the air. Also, levitation is a fairly common aspect of Psynergy. Spire, for example, uses floating rocks to crush the opponent. Lift will raise a stone in the air, etcetera.

While I acknowledge that being heavily ground-based could lead itself to a fairly ground-centered character, I would argue that it is more of a fit thematically than it is representative of Isaac from his series, which is what more of the characters in Smash 4 seem to be drawn from.

You are right in that it is certainly a possible direction for him to be taken in, and we should consider that. Personally, I don't really mind much however he plays, though. I just want him in the game.
If he were to have a good air game, then he should be a pretty slow character in general, assuming he has lots of useful tools for his special moves.

Also, levitation is a fairly common aspect of Psynergy. Spire, for example, uses floating rocks to crush the opponent. Lift will raise a stone in the air, etcetera.
He still would have raise the rocks from the ground to those kinds of moves though.
I'd personally just keep it the ground-adept base moves solely on ground. Just use Isaac's hand or sword for Aerials.
 

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Oh, finally. That Smashified logo is golden.

We really had to wait a long time since that hint in the video.

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If he were to have a good air game, then he should be a pretty slow character in general, assuming he has lots of useful tools for his special moves.
True. He can't be a perfect fighter, after all.

He still would have raise the rocks from the ground to those kinds of moves though.
I'd personally just keep it the ground-adept base moves solely on ground. Just use Isaac's hand or sword for Aerials.
I figure his sword would be his standard aerials, but that most of his Psynergy would work fine.

I actually had an idea for a moveset with Quake, Spire, Move, and Growth. Most of those work fine in the air, but if you used Quake (his down special) in midair, it actually cast Quake on the ground below Isaac, making it useless against foes directly around him, but allowed him to hit foes below him.
 

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The pink hair was definitely something to throw people off. There's no guarantee its Isaac, but Isaac fits EVERYTHING except for the pink hair. Felix would also fit much of it, though he doesn't have any blue at all on his outfit, and Matthew fits much of it, but he's ONLY a Silent Protagonist.
Well Felix's scarf/cape is blue in TLA (in GS1 it's actually green) but then again he doesn't really fit the Goku style hint though.
 

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I actually had an idea for a moveset with Quake, Spire, Move, and Growth.
How would they work in the air exactly.
I think I Spire could work well, but only if he uses it on the ground first. Then he'll be able move freely in air to throw the rocks as he pleases.
And which is the recovery move exactly?

Most of those work fine in the air, but if you used Quake (his down special) in midair, it actually cast Quake on the ground below Isaac, making it useless against foes directly around him, but allowed him to hit foes below him.[
I don't think that makes much sense at all. It doesn't seem natural for Isaac to summon quakes from the air.
 

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How would they work in the air exactly.
I think I Spire could work well, but only if he uses it on the ground first. Then he'll be able move freely in air to throw the rocks as he pleases.
And which is the recovery move exactly?
Spire just drops rocks on the foe. In game, we never see them hauled from the earth first, they just fall from the sky. Maybe Isaac summons/creates them. No clue.

Growth was the recovery move in that set, IIRC.

I don't think that makes much sense at all. It doesn't seem natural for Isaac to summon quakes from the air.
He summons quakes from a distance with a lot of his Psynergy already, so I don't see why doing it from the air is impossible.

It was just an idea, though.
 

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Honestly I feel like Ragnarok is a great aerial psynergy. Then again, its technically a "sword attack"...
 

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Honestly I feel like Ragnarok is a great aerial psynergy. Then again, its technically a "sword attack"...
So is Gaia Blade, Oddysey, Acheron's Grief, even Raiden's Wrath. You could build an entirely sword-based moveset, and it would STILL be unique! :awesome:
 

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So is Gaia Blade, Oddysey, Acheron's Grief, even Raiden's Wrath. You could build an entirely sword-based moveset, and it would STILL be unique! :awesome:
I still like the idea of Isaac's standard string being Odyssey without the shockwaves, and there's a way to upgrade it into the full Odyssey.
 

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I've come up with an idea for Isaac.
I still like the idea of Isaac's standard string being Odyssey without the shockwaves, and there's a way to upgrade it into the full Odyssey.
Like Jaidyn said, there would be a way to upgrade to the full Odyssey. Isaac's Smash attacks and jab combo would be initially weak and a lower version of the move but when you use Down B (a djinni), the attacks become more powerful and have the different powered up versions of the move from Golden Sun. The non-powered and powered version of the moves have slightly different animations. Any thoughts?
 

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Looks like I got booted off of that list for whatever reason, but yeah, these are good ideas for Isaac. They could work.
It was by mistake.
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I love the idea of having Move able to cancel into a grab. I think that's a really cool idea, my only fear is that it might be overpowered.

I also just thought of an awesome combo. Use Move to knock an opponent back, then use quake (Ground Pound) where they were pushed to knock them into the air. You can follow up with an aerial attack or perhaps another Move as you approach.
That would be sweet.
 

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That would be sweet.
Thanks. Sorry if I came off being rude.
 

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I've revised my moveset.

Final Smash: Judgment
Four Venus Djinn appear around Isaac on a plane parallel to the ground. They shoot up into the sky as balls of light, summoning Judgment. Isaac vanishes and Judgment fires down at the position the former was at when the FS was activated. Characters who were between the Djinn and Isaac are instantly KO'd, bearing the main blast of the attack, while everyone else must try to avoid the resultant shockwave, which causes higher damage and knockback the closer the character is to the main blast. Isaac then reappears at the position he vanished from.

Grab: Catch
A giant Psynergy hand grabs an enemy up to about the same distance as Link's hookshot extends and brings them to Isaac, where a second hand awaits.

Pummel: Slap
The waiting hand slaps the enemy while the Catch hand holds said enemy.

Throw Up: Lift
The two hands hold the enemy between them and violently toss the enemy upwards.

Throw Down: Pound
The Catch hand disappears, then the second hand makes a fist and slams itself down onto the enemy.

Throw Forward: Force
The Catch hand disappears, then the second hand makes a fist and quickly punches the enemy forwards.

Throw Backward: Carry
The two hands hold the enemy between them and violently toss the enemy behind Isaac.

Get-up Attack: Thorn
Large thorns jut out of the ground around Isaac, causing mostly horizontal, but some vertical, knockback.

Ledge Attack: Sol Blade's Purgatory
A cylinder of plasma erupts a short distance from the ledge, following which Isaac hops up onto the stage.

Dash Attack: Sol Blade's Radiant Fire
Isaac performs a running slash that causes crossing rings of plasma to erupt from the point of impact.

Standard Attack: Sword Slash
Just a slash of the Sol Blade.

Repeated Standard Attack: Sol Blade's Centurion
Nearly identical to Link's old repeated standard attack, Isaac stabs the enemy repeatedly. A sort of "wind" effect accompanies the stabs in the direction of the sword's motion.

Tilt Up: Punji
Bamboo stalks erupt from the ground right in front of Isaac, causing vertical knockback.

Tilt Down: Growth
Thorny vines appear right in front of Isaac and tear into his enemies. Has low vertical knockback.

Tilt Forward: Flint
Isaac jumps forward, pauses very briefly in the air while Flint appears near the Sol Blade, and comes back down, dealing a blow with high diagonal knockback.

Air Up: Gunpowder Bomb
Produces a small explosion on impact. Functions almost exactly like Link's bombs. Fairly weak.

Air Down: Trident of Ankohl
Isaac thrusts a trident downwards. Medium damage, miniscule knockback, but huge shield damage. Fairly significant startup lag.

Air Neutral: Oil Drop
A wall of flame moves from Isaac's front to his rear, then disappears.

Air Forward: Weasel's Claw
A low-knockback move that shoots several purple crescents in front of Isaac, harassing anyone in front of him.

Air Backward: Crystal Powder
A large ball of ice falls diagonally downward from above Isaac's head, crashing into whomever is directly behind him. Similar knockback to Ganondorf's back-air.

Special Neutral: Move/Grip
A large Psynergy hand appears at the end of Isaac's grab range and moves forward, pushing anyone it contacts. At any time, B may be pressed to use Grip, which holds the enemy and flings Isaac toward them, where he can use A to perform a slash of his sword before touching down. When used off-stage, this move acts like a tether recovery, but with no visible tether line, grabbing the ledge and pulling Isaac toward it.

Special Up: Sol Blade's Megiddo
Isaac leaps a considerable distance straight up, his sword glowing with heat. At the apex, he has the option to go into free fall, to tap the special button to swing his searing blade downward (causes steep knockback diagonally downwards), or to hold the special button for a moment to bat a "small" Megiddo projectile at a steep downward angle in front of him.

Special Down: Spire
On the ground, a stone spire materializes in the air in front of Isaac and drops straight down. In the air, the spire materializes beneath his feet. He can materialize 2-3 sequentially before needing to touch down on the stage again. He hops from spire to spire with the typical Golden Sun hop and sound effect.

Special Forward: Odyssey
With the first press of B, Isaac holds his hand in front of him, palm out. At this point, the player has a window in which to press B again, which would cause a small energy sword to pierce the air in front of him. If it hits an enemy, the enemy is caught, but can quickly escape in the manner of escaping from a grab. Another press of B manifests another small sword, and will either definitively trap the enemy or, if the first sword didn't connect, weakly trap the enemy in the manner of the first sword. With the enemy trapped, a final press of the button will manifest a giant horizontal energy blade that rams into the enemy. If the enemy managed to escape at any point, the final stage of the move will not be realized.

Smash Up: Gaia
Isaac sweeps a hand, at waist height, from in front of him to behind him, causing the ground to crack open and rocks to burst up from within. This happens as his hand moves, meaning the first hitbox is in front of Isaac and the last is behind him. It progresses in a wave-like motion.

Smash Down: Quake
Columns of earth jut up around Isaac. If uncharged, this does low damage, but can trip at its periphery. If charged, the columns cause signficant vertical knockback, being more intense the closer the enemy is to Isaac.

Smash Forward: Ragnarok
Isaac slashes downward in front of him simultaneously with a giant energy blade passing by and piercing the ground in front of him. If used judiciously near ledges, the tip of the sword can cause a spike in its direction of motion at its final position.

Shield: Psynergy shell
A dome of Psynergy envelopes Isaac. Looks nearly identical to normal Smash Bros. shields.

Dodge Spot: Normal spot dodge

Dodge Air: Normal air dodge

Roll Forward: Cloak
Isaac becomes invisible except for an outline and moves behind his opponent.

Roll Backward: Sand
Isaac becomes sand, relocates backwards a few feet, and reconstitutes.

Taunt Up: Item Get
Isaac does the Item Get animation from Golden Sun with the Mars Star, and the Item Get music plays.

Taunt Down: Smile
Isaac faces the screen as a smiling emoji appears above his head.

Taunt Side: Venus Power Increases
Isaac adopts the stance he would after a summon completes, and light emanates from beneath his feet as the appropriate sound effect plays.
 
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I've come up with an idea for Isaac.

Like Jaidyn said, there would be a way to upgrade to the full Odyssey. Isaac's Smash attacks and jab combo would be initially weak and a lower version of the move but when you use Down B (a djinni), the attacks become more powerful and have the different powered up versions of the move from Golden Sun. The non-powered and powered version of the moves have slightly different animations. Any thoughts?
I actually really like setting down-b or neutral to get a djinn, I didn't think about that!

Here's a quick moveset I think could be fun
I always liked Catch for grab (could also be a tether recovery for zair).
Djinn attacks for smashes (Flint for fsmash, a jupiter (Squall) for usmash, and a Mars (Scorch?) for dsmash) (I want something for Mercury, but I can't find a good place for it. Maybe move flint to the 1, 2, 3 jab and a Mercury for fsmash?)

Charged Gaia for nspecial (Kind of like Ike's neutral, but as you charge it it goes from Gaia, to Mother, to Grand)
Move for side special (pushes better than palutenas, used for spacing/gimping. Might do a tiny bit of damage if they're really close)
- Could also be Ragnarok (launches a horizontal blade a small distance in front of him; would push him forward a bit in the air)
Meggido for up B (jumps up on first press with a slash (think Shulk), launches a decently sized rock at a downward angle on the second press)
Spire for down B (spires comes up from the ground when you're on the ground; in the air Isaac would put his hand downward and a spire would fall below him)

Aerials could be pretty normal. I could see him having a good spike with dair (possibly one for down B if sweetspotted, kind of like WFT's volleyball).

Dash attack as his normal attack animation from GS.

Judgement for FS (not a whole stage killing move, but takes up about 3/4 of FD)

But really, I'd love to see Catastrophe haha

Extra notes:

If down B gets put to "Set Djinni", the jab combo could end with ragnarok without djinni set, and then with djinni set you could have each strike of the 1, 2, 3 be an Odyssey blade. This could put Move on the Side B.
 
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I'm still amazed by how different our points of view can be when it comes to Isaac's possible moveset.
The number of possibilities is just incredible.

I'd really like to know everything Sakurai & his team have said about him, when they talked about which characters they would include, back in Brawl and for Smash 4. They must have at least mentioned him. Sometimes I wonder if Sakurai just couldn't came up with a good enough moveset, because he'd have too much choices to make.

Anyway, Friday is going to be a busy day, with Isaac's Smashified finally being released! Lots of shares to do and comments to write!
 

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I'm still amazed by how different our points of view can be when it comes to Isaac's possible moveset.
The number of possibilities is just incredible.

I'd really like to know everything Sakurai & his team have said about him, when they talked about which characters they would include, back in Brawl and for Smash 4. They must have at least mentioned him. Sometimes I wonder if Sakurai just couldn't came up with a good enough moveset, because he'd have too much choices to make.

Anyway, Friday is going to be a busy day, with Isaac's Smashified finally being released! Lots of shares to do and comments to write!

So he really IS released on @Swampasaur 's as well as my birthday. Nice.
 
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Hmm... I figured once we got to 300 people signed up as fans of the group, something special would happen.

As for the idea of Isaac's Recovery... I'd be perfectly fine with Planet Diver. If you think too hard on it, you might wind up getting confused, and the thing about Smash is... sometimes they choose the easiest solution to a problem from a presentation standpoint.
 
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WE HAVE REACHED 300 SUPPORTERS AND BEYOND

To celebrate, have another comic:


I should mention that i take back most bad things i said about the Smashified group (key word:Most).
 

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This is my reaction to the bottom left pannel:
Garet really does want Mia to wear the China Dress huh.


WE HAVE REACHED 300 SUPPORTERS AND BEYOND

To celebrate, have another comic:


I should mention that i take back most bad things i said about the Smashified group (key word:Most).
China Dress: Use on enemy to decrease defence :p

Sorry guys I am horrible at making movesets so I have nothing to contribute here. Although I love the fact that Isaac has finally been confirmed for Smashified.

Only an Smash 4 confirmation left now :D
 

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I actually just recently started playing Golden Sun, (I'm still stuck in the Kolima Forest because I died) and already I'm a supporter of Isaac. He actually surpassed henry Fleming for me, which is saying something, because I love Code name STEAM. Go Isaac! Let out a howl! (BTW I'm really hoping he uses Flint's Venus power for his FS)

And can you add me to the supporter list?
 
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BTW I'm really hoping he uses Flint's Venus power for his FS
Flint is awesome. But he's the most basic Djinni. The Venus summon is the weakest, lowest level, and least impressive of them all. Just wait until you see what else is coming further down the line as you gather more Djinn.
 

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Bad things happened in China.
 
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There are times when I legitimately hate this world. Seeing life being taken away in the most cruelest of forms...:c

2015 just feels like it has to be one of the worst years in human history...

But this is no time to feel sad - Adepts: Thanks for the feedback on my moveset - and I might eventually update it in the future. And very soon we'll be seeing Isaac in Smashified form! Let's hope that on this glimmer that the Golden Sun that is his confirmation as DLC will soon follow!
 

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There are times when I legitimately hate this world. Seeing life being taken away in the most cruelest of forms...:c

2015 just feels like it has to be one of the worst years in human history...

But this is no time to feel sad - Adepts: Thanks for the feedback on my moveset - and I might eventually update it in the future. And very soon we'll be seeing Isaac in Smashified form! Let's hope that on this glimmer that the Golden Sun that is his confirmation as DLC will soon follow!
I don't think this was intentional. It was a shipping port. Something set off a warehouse loaded with explosives. Don't have much in terms of details. I've heard a gas station exploded, setting off the warehouse... Who knows? These things take time...
 
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There are times when I legitimately hate this world. Seeing life being taken away in the most cruelest of forms...:c

2015 just feels like it has to be one of the worst years in human history...

But this is no time to feel sad - Adepts: Thanks for the feedback on my moveset - and I might eventually update it in the future. And very soon we'll be seeing Isaac in Smashified form! Let's hope that on this glimmer that the Golden Sun that is his confirmation as DLC will soon follow!
Some cool Golden Sun music to lighten the mood.
Technically, I don't think it counts as a cruel death, since you would probably be dead pretty quickly considering its an explosion therefore wouldn't feel as much pain as say getting burned at the stake. I don't know, I'm not a scientist so I don't know if explosions would hurt that much besides the initial blast. I get where your coming from though. This is pretty morbid. Back to Isaac!
 
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Yeah, in this circumstance it doesn't look like it was intentional.
The explosions happened at 11:30 PM locally. I imagine that terrorist ******** would choose a different time of day than the middle of the night if they wanted to do something like this. Small comfort I know...

 
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I asked the guys on Smashified if they were going to use his assist trophy pose and they responded saying it would be a new pose! Now I'm super hyped!

I actually just recently started playing Golden Sun, (I'm still stuck in the Kolima Forest because I died) and already I'm a supporter of Isaac. He actually surpassed henry Fleming for me, which is saying something, because I love Code name STEAM. Go Isaac! Let out a howl! (BTW I'm really hoping he uses Flint's Venus power for his FS)

And can you add me to the supporter list?
Can't wait for you to get to TLA then, if you're loving it now, you're going to be obsessed by the time you're done. There's so much to do!

Some cool Golden Sun music to lighten the mood.
Technically, I don't think it counts as a cruel death, since you would probably be dead pretty quickly considering its an explosion therefore wouldn't feel as much pain as say getting burned at the stake. I don't know, I'm not a scientist so I don't know if explosions would hurt that much besides the initial blast. I get where your coming from though. This is pretty morbid. Back to Isaac!
This is fantastic!
 

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Yep it was a recolor. I mean we all already knew since the logo but just so you guys know lol.
 

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There are times when I legitimately hate this world. Seeing life being taken away in the most cruelest of forms...:c

2015 just feels like it has to be one of the worst years in human history...
At least gay marriage was legalized, anti-gay discrimination is going to be outlawed soon in the US and we are on the way to getting places like Uganda where gay people are excecuted daily to stop killing people for no good reason


that's one good thing about 2015


...IM TRYING TO BE POSITIVE OK?
 
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The most voted polls by far:



1. King K. Rool:
335 Yes
156 No
38 Indifferent

2. Wolf:
369 Yes
46 No
44 Indifferent

3. Shantae:
288 Yes
130 No
33 Indifferent

4. Krystal:
175 No
160 Yes
50 Indifferent

5. Bandanna Dee:
212 Yes
87 No
73 Indifferent

6. Balloon Fighter:
138 No
107 Indifferent
100 Yes

7. Daisy:
179 Yes
115 No
23 Indifferent

8. Isaac:
225 Yes
52 Indifferent
39 No

9. Pichu:
148 No
100 Yes
32 Indifferent

10. Shovel Knight:
133 No
93 Yes
53 Indifferent

If you want to change the circumstances for some characters you gotta vote here. ;)
http://smashboards.com/threads/dail...mon-lana-sylux-zael-top-10-most-voted.410404/
 

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The most voted polls by far:



1. King K. Rool:
335 Yes
156 No
38 Indifferent

2. Wolf:
369 Yes
46 No
44 Indifferent

3. Shantae:
288 Yes
130 No
33 Indifferent

4. Krystal:
175 No
160 Yes
50 Indifferent

5. Bandanna Dee:
212 Yes
87 No
73 Indifferent

6. Balloon Fighter:
138 No
107 Indifferent
100 Yes

7. Daisy:
179 Yes
115 No
23 Indifferent

8. Isaac:
225 Yes
52 Indifferent
39 No

9. Pichu:
148 No
100 Yes
32 Indifferent

10. Shovel Knight:
133 No
93 Yes
53 Indifferent

If you want to change the circumstances for some characters you gotta vote here. ;)
http://smashboards.com/threads/dail...mon-lana-sylux-zael-top-10-most-voted.410404/
Isaac may not have gotten the most votes... But he did have the second best Yes:No ratio.

Edit: Wolf's was better.
 
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Sorry to bring bad news but...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Ugh. Four more days to wait, maybe more.
 

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Hopefully they'll at least give us the final picture instead of waiting for both the Art and the Video.
 
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Sorry to bring bad news but...

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Ugh. Four more days to wait, maybe more.

At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to release Isaac given the BS they've pulled with him.
 
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By the time they release Isaac, i will look like this:


Oh well! time to post another comic:

I would also like to see Mia in that Dress to be honest......
 
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