Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[Oracle_Summon]

Hey guys. According to the Character type list I put out earlier, what type of character would give Isaac the most trouble on the battlefield?

 

[Cobalsh]

Hey guys. According to the Character type list I put out earlier, what type of character would give Isaac the most trouble on the battlefield?

I imagine Isaac being a mixed Zoner-whateverthelastclasswas-Tricky, so probably none. I can see him being a very balanced character, always have.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

In my personal opinion, Isaac is currently the fourth-mostlikely character to be playable, based on my own observations and thoughts, just ahead of a Rhythm Heaven rep and just behind Shulk. (K. Rool and Ridley being the second and first, respectively).

I think Isaac might be a Juggler/Speedster, based on his Psynergy capabilities he'd mostlikely use. I thought about saying Zoner, but I'm not sure, I'm iffy a bit on Isaac.

EDIT: On that note, I'm starting up Golden Sun tonight! Finally! Maybe by the time I finish the game Isaac will be announced. :D

I think a Rhythm Heaven rep is more likely than Isaac right now, considering they have an enemy in smash run.

In terms of likelihood I feel like it's:

Shulk
Rhythm Heaven rep
King K Rool/Dixie Kong
Ridley
Isaac

In that order. It worries me that I feel like we'd need another 6 newcomers to make sure Isaac is in......

 

[BSTCloud]

What's the logic behind a third DK rep?
I can't help but feel that a series with no reps has more urgency than one that already has two (and got one last game), but that's me and I'm probably being subjective.

 

[JaidynReiman]

What's the logic behind a third DK rep?
I can't help but feel that a series with no reps has more urgency than one that already has two (and got one last game), but that's me and I'm probably being subjective.

Because DK is Nintendo's fourth (or fifth, if you count all the "Wii" games) best selling franchise and had a HUGE revival with DKC Returns. Hell, DKCR sold better than Skyward Sword, believe it or not. I love Golden Sun as well, just started my playthrough again, but... the DK franchise is massive. It was a travesty it took until Brawl just for Diddy Kong to make it into the roster, really.

Personally, if anything, I think Golden Sun should get representation before Xenoblade, because Golden Sun has been around longer, has more games, and sold far more copies. The only reason people don't think its all that likely is because Dark Dawn didn't sell that well. It probably helps that Golden Sun wasn't planned to be a full-fledged franchise but only one game. It only became a franchise because they couldn't fit the first game on one cartridge.

As for Rhythm Heaven... yeah, it has sold far more than Golden Sun did, so it should definitely get some recognition.

EDIT: In fact, Isaac might've been skipped over for Brawl because Sakurai wasn't sure if the franchise would stick around longer.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

What's the logic behind a third DK rep?
I can't help but feel that a series with no reps has more urgency than one that already has two (and got one last game), but that's me and I'm probably being subjective.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Donkey Kong is one of Nintendo's most popular series, and considering Fire Emblem now has 4 reps I think Donkey Kong will get at least one more rep.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Donkey Kong is one of Nintendo's most popular series, and considering Fire Emblem now has 4 reps I think Donkey Kong will get at least one more rep.

(Frankly I think its very likely DK will get two: both K. Rool and Dixie Kong, which will round out the DK roster nicely. At least ONE is practically guaranteed at this point, though.)

Either way, I still think Isaac has great chances, its just really annoying that Isaac isn't considered to have as good of chances as a franchise which has one game to date, and one coming out, and the first game sold half as well as both the first two Golden Sun games.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

(Frankly I think its very likely DK will get two: both K. Rool and Dixie Kong, which will round out the DK roster nicely. At least ONE is practically guaranteed at this point, though.)

Either way, I still think Isaac has great chances, its just really annoying that Isaac isn't considered to have as good of chances as a franchise which has one game to date, and one coming out, and the first game sold half as well as both the first two Golden Sun games.

I think Golden Sun is just in an awkward position as a franchise.

To be fair, Xenoblade Chronicles was critically acclaimed. It's not just some random game getting a rep in smash Bros. Plus it's a HUGE game, bigger than any single Golden Sun game.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think Golden Sun is just in an awkward position as a franchise.

To be fair, Xenoblade Chronicles was critically acclaimed. It's not just some random game getting a rep in smash Bros.

Oh, I know. But Golden Sun was just as critically acclaimed.

 

[Staarih]

I'm just glad we still got Dark Dawn after Brawl (even if it wasn't as successful as the first two) to give us some ground to build from and counter any recency-arguments. If GS had stopped with the first two GBA-games, we might be in a tougher spot now. Those two games still helped Isaac in as an AT, and I'm wishing the third game helps him upgrade to playable status this time. In my opinion, the Golden Sun-series, along with maybe Rhythm Heaven-series (and Xenoblade Chronicles which seems to have become a series now due to X) are in need of playable representation.

 

[Your Hero]

I really do think Isaac's status as a brawl AT means good things for Sm4sh. It means that Sakurai recognizes Golden Sun and believed that it deserved some sort of representation in the game, at which time maybe it was just too late to add him in as a character (similar with Little Mac).

I know I'm being over optimistic, and if Isaac ends up being an assist trophy again I can really only blame myself for hyping up his chances. But I feel as fans we are the reason Isaac became an Assist Trophy in the first place. I remember the brawl thread for Isaac and I remember how passionate everyone was for Isaac's inclusion. With 96 pages now in a two year old topic (and a LOT more if we count the old thread), I think Sakurai is in tune enough with the online community to understand that Golden Sun is a franchise that deserves a chance to fight alongside the other Nintendo series.

All we can do is sit around and wait. If Isaac is still an assist trophy then so be it, I'll get giddy every time I summon him and watch him knock out enemies with his giant hand. But as someone who grew up with Golden Sun I really hope to see him in that final roster, kicking ass. A lot of people were excited for Megaman, Little Mac, Robin, etc as dream characters, and for me that character is Isaac hands down.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I really do think Isaac's status as a brawl AT means good things for Sm4sh. It means that Sakurai recognizes Golden Sun and believed that it deserved some sort of representation in the game, at which time maybe it was just too late to add him in as a character (similar with Little Mac).

I know I'm being over optimistic, and if Isaac ends up being an assist trophy again I can really only blame myself for hyping up his chances. But I feel as fans we are the reason Isaac became an Assist Trophy in the first place. I remember the brawl thread for Isaac and I remember how passionate everyone was for Isaac's inclusion. With 96 pages now in a two year old topic (and a LOT more if we count the old thread), I think Sakurai is in tune enough with the online community to understand that Golden Sun is a franchise that deserves a chance to fight alongside the other Nintendo series.

All we can do is sit around and wait. If Isaac is still an assist trophy then so be it, I'll get giddy every time I summon him and watch him knock out enemies with his giant hand. But as someone who grew up with Golden Sun I really hope to see him in that final roster, kicking ***. A lot of people were excited for Megaman, Little Mac, Robin, etc as dream characters, and for me that character is Isaac hands down.

I was excited for Robin and Mega Man. I was excited for Little Mac but didn't care as much for his inclusion as others. Isaac is my #2 most wanted character right now, though, he'd bring me far more excitement than Robin (and I'm ECSTATIC about Robin's inclusion). The only character that could bring more hype for me is K. Rool. At the same time, I'd probably enjoy Isaac's trailer more because Isaac is the underdog. I'm fully confident K. Rool is in. I'm quite confident in Isaac, but there's far less of a guarantee. That said, I do think things look good for Isaac.

 

[BSTCloud]

Because DK is Nintendo's fourth (or fifth, if you count all the "Wii" games) best selling franchise and had a HUGE revival with DKC Returns. Hell, DKCR sold better than Skyward Sword, believe it or not. I love Golden Sun as well, just started my playthrough again, but... the DK franchise is massive. It was a travesty it took until Brawl just for Diddy Kong to make it into the roster, really.

Personally, if anything, I think Golden Sun should get representation before Xenoblade, because Golden Sun has been around longer, has more games, and sold far more copies. The only reason people don't think its all that likely is because Dark Dawn didn't sell that well. It probably helps that Golden Sun wasn't planned to be a full-fledged franchise but only one game. It only became a franchise because they couldn't fit the first game on one cartridge.

As for Rhythm Heaven... yeah, it has sold far more than Golden Sun did, so it should definitely get some recognition.

EDIT: In fact, Isaac might've been skipped over for Brawl because Sakurai wasn't sure if the franchise would stick around longer.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Donkey Kong is one of Nintendo's most popular series, and considering Fire Emblem now has 4 reps I think Donkey Kong will get at least one more rep.

Well... I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the information, you both
At least whichever makes in I'm sure it'll be the hypest thing ever, it's Sakurai's superpower after all.

And it's not hard to believe that DCKR sold better than Skyward Sword.

Spoiler

Skyward was pretty bad imho

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well... I guess that makes sense. Thanks for the information, you both
At least whichever makes in I'm sure it'll be the hypest thing ever, it's Sakurai's superpower after all.

And it's not hard to believe that DCKR sold better than Skyward Sword.

Spoiler

Skyward was pretty bad imho

Zelda games sell just for being Zelda. The fact that it sold better than a Zelda game says a lot.

IMO, a third DK rep should be in before any other new franchise reps, but Shulk and Isaac should both be in before a fourth DK or Kirby rep (although DK is big enough to get four and Dixie has just as much going for her as K. Rool does as far as a new and original moveset goes). Lucina isn't a big deal, she is justified in being a clone of Marth and she was basically a skin promoted to full character.

 

[BSTCloud]

Well, TLOZ games have been selling "poorly" lately as far as I know (considering it IS Zelda after all), the franchise is less popular in Japan than before (for example TWW HD for WiiU sold there way less than it did on the west), so It's not crazy that another popular franchise had an installment with better global sales than TLOZ.

This is not a sales thread though, but we could discuss it somewhere else if you want :D

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I imagine Isaac being a mixed Zoner-whateverthelastclasswas-Tricky, so probably none. I can see him being a very balanced character, always have.

How would Isaac deal with characters that are of the Ranger/Speedster variety like ?

 

[Bassoonist]

Zelda games sell just for being Zelda. The fact that it sold better than a Zelda game says a lot.

IMO, a third DK rep should be in before any other new franchise reps, but Shulk and Isaac should both be in before a fourth DK or Kirby rep (although DK is big enough to get four and Dixie has just as much going for her as K. Rool does as far as a new and original moveset goes). Lucina isn't a big deal, she is justified in being a clone of Marth and she was basically a skin promoted to full character.

Yeah, I just heard of that leak that claims that there is a fourth Kirby character. I do not believe that leak (for different reasons from "I don't like it" lol), but I think it's a bit outrageous to add a fourth Kirby character. I feel like the series is one that is best represented with what we have currently.

To think that we'd really get a fourth Kirby character over Isaac? =(

 

[JaidynReiman]

Yeah, I just heard of that leak that claims that there is a fourth Kirby character. I do not believe that leak (for different reasons from "I don't like it" lol), but I think it's a bit outrageous to add a fourth Kirby character. I feel like the series is one that is best represented with what we have currently.

To think that we'd really get a fourth Kirby character over Isaac? =(

See, I think a fourth Kirby character at this point IS possible. But Bandana Dee isn't all that iconic compared to characters from other franchises. I think Bandana Dee fans are vastly overrating his chance of being playable. I definitely think DK is far more likely to get a fourth character than Kirby, because the series is much bigger, has better sales, and both K. Rool and Dixie Kong are far more iconic than Bandana Dee, with both K. Rool and Dixie Kong having central roles since the start of the series and having a very consistent presence until the recent DKC revival.


And I definitely think Isaac will get in before another franchise getting a fourth original character (Lucina is just a clone of Marth).

 

[Arteen]

What's the logic behind a third DK rep?
I can't help but feel that a series with no reps has more urgency than one that already has two (and got one last game), but that's me and I'm probably being subjective.

Donkey Kong is a huge, culturally significant franchise way above every other franchise in Smash outside of Mario, Pac-Man and Pokemon. Nothing against Kirby, Star Fox or Fire Emblem, but it's crazy that they've got more fighters than Donkey Kong. Everyone knows who Donkey Kong is.

If I had designed the roster, I would've prioritized new series like Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Custom Robo, Sin and Punishment, Starfy and Xenoblade above expanding existing franchises, but that's clearly not how Sakurai is handling it.

 

[DMurr]

What chances does everyone think Isaac has now?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

What chances does everyone think Isaac has now?

I would say around 60%, it is pretty good that he has not appeared yet, but his chances would be higher if Sakurai trolled him like Ridley and Shulk, it would show that Isaac is on Sakurai's radar.

 

[N3ON]

I would say around 60%, it is pretty good that he has not appeared yet, but his chances would be higher if Sakurai trolled him like Ridley and Shulk, it would show that Isaac is on Sakurai's radar.

I think Isaac being an AT last time demonstrated that he did register on Sakurai's radar, and I don't imagine him and all GS content will just disappear from the radar after that~

Though so far to my knowledge there haven't been any references to Shulk or any Xenoblade content either in Smash...

Yeah, I just heard of that leak that claims that there is a fourth Kirby character. I do not believe that leak (for different reasons from "I don't like it" lol), but I think it's a bit outrageous to add a fourth Kirby character. I feel like the series is one that is best represented with what we have currently.

To think that we'd really get a fourth Kirby character over Isaac? =(

Well there are lots of "leaks", and next to none of them wind up being true... so I wouldn't worry too much.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I think Isaac being an AT last time demonstrated that he did register on Sakurai's radar, and I don't imagine him and all GS content will just disappear from the radar after that~

Though so far to my knowledge there haven't been any references to Shulk or any Xenoblade content either in Smash...


Well there are lots of "leaks", and next to none of them wind up being true... so I wouldn't worry too much.

Yes. It also doesn't help that anything related to Golden Sun has yet to appear.

 

[JaidynReiman]

What chances does everyone think Isaac has now?

I'm banking on about 75% personally. I think he's quite likely, on the level of Shulk really.

Yeah, I just heard of that leak that claims that there is a fourth Kirby character. I do not believe that leak (for different reasons from "I don't like it" lol), but I think it's a bit outrageous to add a fourth Kirby character. I feel like the series is one that is best represented with what we have currently.

To think that we'd really get a fourth Kirby character over Isaac? =(

I missed the comment about leaks, but, Robin and Lucina's trailer DESTROYED the credibility of EVERY single leak known to man. Don't bank on leaks AT ALL.

Yes. It also doesn't help that anything related to Golden Sun has yet to appear.

All Golden Sun got last time was one song and Isaac's Assist Trophy, so keep that in mind. That said, I think the fact that not all remaining returning AT's has shown is a sign that we'll get at least one more AT promoted to playable, and Isaac is by far the mostlikely. Now, its also highly likely Advance Wars may get a playable character, but just to for Snake's likely demise.

 

[N3ON]

Yes. It also doesn't help that anything related to Golden Sun has yet to appear.

Doesn't necessarily hurt either, for example if we had received a GS AT in the Direct, even if it wasn't Isaac, and it had retained the Smash icon like Saki did, that would be it for hopes of Isaac as part of the initial roster.

We might not have a confirmation, but, unlike all the other feasible ATs minus Little Mac (and Ray I suppose - though he's not going to be playable), at least we don't have a deconfirmation.

Plus honestly if we were to receive some GS content apart from Isaac revealed... it could be too obvious a hint. Why do you think we haven't seen any Xenoblade content yet?

Now, its also highly likely Advance Wars may get a playable character, but just to for Snake's likely demise.

If anything it looks like Snake's moveset got broken up and divided between characters.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Doesn't necessarily hurt either, if we had received a GS AT in the Direct, even if it wasn't Isaac, and it had retained the Smash icon like Saki did, that would be it for hopes of Isaac as part of the initial roster.

We might not have a confirmation, but, unlike all the other feasible ATs minus Little Mac (and Ray I suppose - though he's not going to be playable), at least we don't have a deconfirmation.

Plus honestly if we were to receive some GS content apart from Isaac revealed... it could be too obvious a hint. Why do you think we haven't seen any Xenoblade content yet?


If anything it looks like Snake's moveset got broken up and divided between characters.

Still quite likely most of it ended up on an Advance Wars rep. Heck, the only thing notable is one item that's similar to a Snake attack (doesn't mean much, many items are similar to character attacks) and Sheik got a grenade (which doesn't work much like Snake's grenade anyway).


And yeah, Golden Sun content without would be too much of a hint towards Isaac being playable.

 

[N3ON]

Still quite likely most of it ended up on an Advance Wars rep. Heck, the only thing notable is one item that's similar to a Snake attack (doesn't mean much, many items are similar to character attacks) and Sheik got a grenade (which doesn't work much like Snake's grenade anyway).

I think it's fairly unlikely it ended up on an AW rep. Not because that would be a stretch, because it wouldn't be, it could make a good fit, but because I very much doubt we'll get an AW rep. Though the series does merit inclusion, it hasn't seen a new iteration in a long while, with the last few releases only being in NA, and with none of the characters having an amount of popularity that could make up for all the other shortcomings of the series. That's how I see it in any case.

Plus ZSS's new FS is very similar to Snake's.


Though this isn't really related to Isaac any longer~

 

[FalKoopa]

What chances does everyone think Isaac has now?

I'd say above 50%. He has a good chance.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I'm banking on about 75% personally. I think he's quite likely, on the level of Shulk really.



I missed the comment about leaks, but, Robin and Lucina's trailer DESTROYED the credibility of EVERY single leak known to man. Don't bank on leaks AT ALL.



All Golden Sun got last time was one song and Isaac's Assist Trophy, so keep that in mind. That said, I think the fact that not all remaining returning AT's has shown is a sign that we'll get at least one more AT promoted to playable, and Isaac is by far the mostlikely. Now, its also highly likely Advance Wars may get a playable character, but just to for Snake's likely demise.

In terms of possible promoted Assist Trophies we have:

Barbara the Bat
Kat & Ana
Isaac
Advance Wars Rep
Custom Robo Ray

Isaac being the most requested one from me.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I really, really, really want Isaac or Felix (heck even Matthew would do) to be playable in SSB4 but realistically, it's never going to happen, especially with Robin's recent announcement - imo, he fulfils the 'guy with a swrd but also uses magic' quota and has the advantage of having a female alt as well.

I imagine, like Waluigi, Isaac will feature as an Assist Trophy again - at best, maybe an alt costume for Male Robin coloured to look like Isaac may feature. The Golden Sun franchise seems to have faded away and doesn't appear to be using Quartz or Dew any time soon (after all, it is in Nintendo's interest to 'advertise' it's more relevant titles).

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I really, really, really want Isaac or Felix (heck even Matthew would do) to be playable in SSB4 but realistically, it's never going to happen, especially with Robin's recent announcement - imo, he fulfils the 'guy with a swrd but also uses magic' quota and has the advantage of having a female alt as well.

I imagine, like Waluigi, Isaac will feature as an Assist Trophy again - at best, maybe an alt costume for Male Robin coloured to look like Isaac may feature. The Golden Sun franchise seems to have faded away and doesn't appear to be using Quartz or Dew any time soon (after all, it is in Nintendo's interest to 'advertise' it's more relevant titles).

Except Isaac and Robin have completely ways they fight. Isaac uses Earth Based magic, something that Robin doesn't even do in his own game.

 

[FalKoopa]

I really, really, really want Isaac or Felix (heck even Matthew would do) to be playable in SSB4 but realistically, it's never going to happen, especially with Robin's recent announcement - imo, he fulfils the 'guy with a swrd but also uses magic' quota and has the advantage of having a female alt as well.

Again, being conceptually similar doesn't really affect a character's chances that much. If Lucina and Ike can get in despite being sword-wielders- we already had a good number of them, mind you - why should just one character who only bears slight similarities with Isaac kill his chances?

Robin does not use Plants and Earth magic, nor does he use giant telekinetic hands. Isaac similarly doesn't use electric swords, nor does his magic wear out after a certain number of uses.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Again, being conceptually similar doesn't really affect a character's chances that much. If Lucina and Ike can get in despite being sword-wielders- we already had a good number of them, mind you - why should just one character who only bears slight similarities with Isaac kill his chances?

Robin does not use Plants and Earth magic, nor does he use giant telekinetic hands. Isaac similarly doesn't use electric swords, nor does his magic wear out after a certain number of uses.

Plus the djinni, don't forget the djinni. Robin should give more hope here, not take it away.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Except Isaac and Robin have completely ways they fight. Isaac uses Earth Based magic, something that Robin doesn't even do in his own game.

Again, being conceptually similar doesn't really affect a character's chances that much. If Lucina and Ike can get in despite being sword-wielders- we already had a good number of them, mind you - why should just one character who only bears slight similarities with Isaac kill his chances?

Robin does not use Plants and Earth magic, nor does he use giant telekinetic hands. Isaac similarly doesn't use electric swords, nor does his magic wear out after a certain number of uses.

It's still 'magic' so to speak - don't get me wrong, I fully agree that it's different and that the Psyenergy in the GS games could lead to way more inventive and unique things than 'Thunder, Big Thunder, Bigger Thunder' etc. but if the development team are going to go to all that effort of introducing a brand new Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use, why spoil the novelty of the character by adding another Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use (technically speaking you have to walk around/use stones or items to recharge Psyenergy in the games) from a franchise that isn't really alive and kicking anymore?

I'd argue Lucina's situation is different - she's essentially a glorified costume of an existing character that spawned during development, rather than another full fledged newcomer. Quick and easy to implement, and a nice addition for the many fans of FE Awakening as well


There are so many things that Isaac could bring to the table (Catch Psyenergy for Grab/Tether? Hover or Whirlwind for Recovery? Walking around recharges your Psyenergy? Earth, Fire, Wind AND Water Psyenergy? Djinns? Summons? It would all be so perfect...) but imo, it is very unlikely.

I will be very pleased (but also very surprised) if a Golden Sun rep makes it in as a newcomer, simply because of lack of franchise activity and the rather abundant number of swordsmen in the game. There are other characters/franchises that will probably take priority over the GS series...which makes me very very sad Camelot need to release a sequel to Dark Dawn already


Sorry to be so pessimistic

 

[Oracle_Summon]

It's still 'magic' so to speak - don't get me wrong, I fully agree that it's different and that the Psyenergy in the GS games could lead to way more inventive and unique things than 'Thunder, Big Thunder, Bigger Thunder' etc. but if the development team are going to go to all that effort of introducing a brand new Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use, why spoil the novelty of the character by adding another Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use (technically speaking you have to walk around/use stones or items to recharge Psyenergy in the games) from a franchise that isn't really alive and kicking anymore?

I'd argue Lucina's situation is different - she's essentially a glorified costume of an existing character that spawned during development, rather than another full fledged newcomer. Quick and easy to implement, and a nice addition for the many fans of FE Awakening as well


There are so many things that Isaac could bring to the table (Catch Psyenergy for Grab/Tether? Hover or Whirlwind for Recovery? Walking around recharges your Psyenergy? Earth, Fire, Wind AND Water Psyenergy? Djinns? Summons? It would all be so perfect...) but imo, it is very unlikely.

I will be very pleased (but also very surprised) if a Golden Sun rep makes it in as a newcomer, simply because of lack of franchise activity and the rather abundant number of swordsmen in the game. There are other characters/franchises that will probably take priority over the GS series...which makes me very very sad Camelot need to release a sequel to Dark Dawn already


Sorry to be so pessimistic

? This really doesn't make much sense. Because they don't anything a like? This the same case of and . They both use a sword, but in different ways to make them play differently. The difference here being that Robin and Isaac would play nothing alike.

Here is a hint, all Threads have pessimism in them, because it is nothing but hoping. Do you know why they post so many funny posts? To take their minds off of their wanted character, because the more you think about your character the more pessimistic it will seem to be when you question why they have not been revealed yet or hinted at.

 

[ToothiestAura]

It's still 'magic' so to speak - don't get me wrong, I fully agree that it's different and that the Psyenergy in the GS games could lead to way more inventive and unique things than 'Thunder, Big Thunder, Bigger Thunder' etc. but if the development team are going to go to all that effort of introducing a brand new Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use, why spoil the novelty of the character by adding another Mystic Knight style character with swords and magic of limited use (technically speaking you have to walk around/use stones or items to recharge Psyenergy in the games) from a franchise that isn't really alive and kicking anymore?

I'd argue Lucina's situation is different - she's essentially a glorified costume of an existing character that spawned during development, rather than another full fledged newcomer. Quick and easy to implement, and a nice addition for the many fans of FE Awakening as well


There are so many things that Isaac could bring to the table (Catch Psyenergy for Grab/Tether? Hover or Whirlwind for Recovery? Walking around recharges your Psyenergy? Earth, Fire, Wind AND Water Psyenergy? Djinns? Summons? It would all be so perfect...) but imo, it is very unlikely.

I will be very pleased (but also very surprised) if a Golden Sun rep makes it in as a newcomer, simply because of lack of franchise activity and the rather abundant number of swordsmen in the game. There are other characters/franchises that will probably take priority over the GS series...which makes me very very sad Camelot need to release a sequel to Dark Dawn already


Sorry to be so pessimistic

I think it rather depends on whether Sakurai see a unique mechanic or gimmick in Isaac (as he seems to be looking for). I see potential in setting/unleashing Djinn, so it really depends if Sakurai is looking at Isaac all. As, to me, the potential seems easy to see.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I think it rather depends on whether Sakurai see a unique mechanic or gimmick in Isaac (as he seems to be looking for). I see potential in setting/unleashing Djinn, so it really depends if Sakurai is looking at Isaac all. As, to me, the potential seems easy to see.

I certainly hope so The Djinn/summoning system could work fantastically if implemented correctly, not to mention the vast array of Psyenergy from the series. Sakurai has shown he isn't against giving characters moves they don't use in their games - even if Isaac's Earth based moves weren't satisfactory, there's still an absolute ton of other Psyenergy that could be implemented instead

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I've said it before but if Sakurai wanted to he could make it so Isaac doesn't even wield a sword. Sure Isaac uses a sword, but I wouldn't say the sword is particularly important to his character or his capabilities. He isn't lost without it and he doesn't suddenly become "not Isaac" if he doesn't use it. He can just as easily wield axes, it's not like in Fire Emblem where Chrom would have to change classes to wield a spear/axe. I'm not saying Isaac should use an axe, I'm just saying his weapon isn't strictly tied to him.

I'd still like Isaac to use his sword for a couple of attacks but the main point I'm trying to make is that it wouldn't be necessary for Isaac to rely on the "Magic Swordsman" archetype. He can still do his own thing.

It's why he created a big glowing hand in brawl rather than just swing his sword around.

 

[Cobalsh]

How would Isaac deal with characters that are of the Ranger/Speedster variety like ?

Good pacing coupled with long reach, I guess.

 

[Your Hero]

@ Rickerdy-doo-da-day just an FYI, the most recent Punch Out game came out a year before Dark Dawn. So "relevancy" is sort of irrelevant if the character is popular enough, both of which Little Mac and Isaac are.

Sakurai seems to focus on the classic games from each series anyways, like he did with Megaman. Also keep in mind he revived Kid Icarus in Brawl, a character in which maybe 5% of the Smash Bros fanbase knew even existed before his reveal.