Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[Skyblade12]

The fun thing is that Sakurai goes back on his word a lot

and the fact that he himself set up certain criteria. Popularity is only one factor. Imagine if Takamaru was the most popular character there was. And he got in....as a clone of Marth or Link, with the reason cited to be "only because people wanted him". Wouldn't make you happy would it?

Which of Sakurai's criteria do you feel Isaac fails to meet? On the OP, I think we've proven very successfully that he fulfills them all.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Sakurai saying that he was staying true to form with Ridley is BS anyways. The fact that he's been the highest requested Newcomer since Melee just cements the fact that Sakurai does whatever the hell he wants. It sucks really. Sakurai chose to do a ballot where he KNEW people would choose certain characters. He knows that the ballot is ALL about popularity, but in the end he does what he wants to.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sakurai saying that he was staying true to form with Ridley is BS anyways. The fact that he's been the highest requested Newcomer since Melee just cements the fact that Sakurai does whatever the hell he wants. It sucks really. Sakurai chose to do a ballot where he KNEW people would choose certain characters. He knows that the ballot is ALL about popularity, but in the end he does what he wants to.

"I'm going to make this character an absolute wimp! Fans will love it!"

 

[Deleted member]

....you do realize I never said Isaac wouldn't get in. I personally don't think he has as high of a chance as others seem to think, and I was right about a certain purple space dragon

My point was that popularity isn't the only factor, like some people believe.

I also think that popularity is not the ONLY reason to add Isaac into the roster, the moveset potential and potential revival and recognotition that the GS series could get thanks to his inclusion are the reason why Isaac is popular in question. Look at K.Rool, sure he is popular, but have you ever questioned the reason why he is popular/highly requested in the first place?

Actually both characters are requested for fairly similar reasons (wich is why the Isaac and K.Rool fanbases get along so well).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

If Sakurai feels like he can't do Isaac justice, then it's just him not caring. Ryu proves that

Your statement implied Isaac only had popularity going for him, that's where this got wrong. Good to have a civil debate with you for once

Who said that's all Isaac-san has going for him? He's got the skills . I just see popularity as his strongest card on the table.

 

[Skyblade12]

Who said that's all Isaac-san has going for him? He's got the skills . I just see popularity as his strongest card on the table.

You did.

Gives me a Xenoblade feel. Neat.

So....Isaac. I still don't think he's likely at all, but I would certainly glad to see him. I think Sakurai's looking at more than popularity.

And then this:

The fun thing is that Sakurai goes back on his word a lot and the fact that he himself set up certain criteria. Popularity is only one factor. Imagine if Takamaru was the most popular character there was. And he got in....as a clone of Marth or Link, with the reason cited to be "only because people wanted him". Wouldn't make you happy would it?

In both posts, you directly address that Isaac won't get in, because Sakurai is not looking solely at popularity. Thus directly implying that popularity is all Isaac has to look at.


Also, please answer this question, since you just ignored it:

As you said yourself, Sakurai has his criteria for characters. Which criteria do you feel that Isaac fails to fulfill?

 

[LasermasterA]

As you said yourself, Sakurai has his criteria for characters. Which criteria do you feel that Isaac fails to fulfill?

He's not from Fire Waifu Emblem

(I still love you FE!)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He's not from Fire Waifu Emblem

(I still love you FE!)

Welp, better give up, Anna is truly the shoe-in DLC character and Isaac has no chance

 

[Deleted member]

He's not from Fire Waifu Emblem

(I still love you FE!)

It's funny because Isaac can have the "Lord" class.

Also new page, new comic:

Spoiler

 

[Capybara Gaming]

You did.



And then this:



In both posts, you directly address that Isaac won't get in, because Sakurai is not looking solely at popularity. Thus directly implying that popularity is all Isaac has to look at.


Also, please answer this question, since you just ignored it:

As you said yourself, Sakurai has his criteria for characters. Which criteria do you feel that Isaac fails to fulfill?

None of those posts said he wouldn't get in. Don't pull stuff out of your ass to try and argue with me.


I said I didn't think he was likely. I never said he wouldn't get in.

In the second post, I was referring to popularity in general as opposed to one character's in particular. People make me upset when they say a character will get in simply because they are popular, which I see an alarming amount of Isaac supporters say both online and in person.

I also never said he doesn't fit the criteria. I don't think he's as good of a fit as others, but he gets the job done.
Worse fitting of criteria = less likely

 

[Cutie Gwen]

None of those posts said he wouldn't get in. Don't pull stuff out of your *** to try and argue with me.


I said I didn't think he was likely. I never said he wouldn't get in.

In the second post, I was referring to popularity in general as opposed to one character's in particular. People make me upset when they say a character will get in simply because they are popular, which I see an alarming amount of Isaac supporters say both online and in person.

I also never said he doesn't fit the criteria. I don't think he's as good of a fit as others, but he gets the job done.
Worse fitting of criteria = less likely

You IMPLIED it. Whether or not it was your intention, I don't know. Considering you claim you never said moveset potential was something Isaac lacked, it seems to be an unfortunate implication

 

[Skyblade12]

None of those posts said he wouldn't get in. Don't pull stuff out of your *** to try and argue with me.


I said I didn't think he was likely. I never said he wouldn't get in.

You said you didn't think Isaac was likely BECAUSE SAKURAI LOOKS AT MORE THAN JUST POPULARITY.

Again, implying that popularity is all, or the majority, of what Isaac has going for him.

I don't "pull stuff out of my ass", I'm using your own words. I've been nothing but civil to you, and I would request you do the same, or you WILL be reported.

In the second post, I was referring to popularity in general as opposed to one character's in particular. People make me upset when they say a character will get in simply because they are popular, which I see an alarming amount of Isaac supporters say both online and in person.

That is a very valid point. No character is guaranteed, even if he's popular.

However, I see very few people (except for you, oddly enough) who say that popularity is ALL Isaac has going for him.

I also never said he doesn't fit the criteria. I don't think he's as good of a fit as others, but he gets the job done.
Worse fitting of criteria = less likely

Okay. Our arguments for how well he fits the criteria are listed in great detail in the OP. Please list the characters you think fit the criteria better, and explain why.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

You said you didn't think Isaac was likely BECAUSE SAKURAI LOOKS AT MORE THAN JUST POPULARITY.

Again, implying that popularity is all, or the majority, of what Isaac has going for him.

I don't "pull stuff out of my ***", I'm using your own words. I've been nothing but civil to you, and I would request you do the same, or you WILL be reported.



That is a very valid point. No character is guaranteed, even if he's popular.

However, I see very few people (except for you, oddly enough) who say that popularity is ALL Isaac has going for him.



Okay. Our arguments for how well he fits the criteria are listed in great detail in the OP. Please list the characters you think fit the criteria better, and explain why.

I feel that K. Rool and Inkling are the only two characters (newcomers, that is) that legitimately fit the criteria to the t. I am leaving shortly, so I'm not going to explain why at the moment because I have important things to do.

Also, talking about being civil. I do hope you realize that unless it gets to an obnoxiously hurtful point, It won't have very much of an effect.

I never said that was the reason I don't see him as likely. The two phrases are completely independent of one another. I do think that popularity is his strongest factor, however.

All I'm saying is that he looks at more than popularity, and to me, popularity is currently his strongest factor towards earning a spot. It in no way guarantees a spot.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I always thought Isaac's moveset was always his strongest factor.

 

[Skyblade12]

I feel that K. Rool and Inkling are the only two characters (newcomers, that is) that legitimately fit the criteria to the t. I am leaving shortly, so I'm not going to explain why at the moment because I have important things to do.

I think that Isaac has a better chance than the Inklings simply because the Inklings are too new, and too untested. Isaac has a greater legacy. However, if you think that Isaac DOESN'T "fit the criteria to the 'T'", I would love to hear why.

Also, talking about being civil. I do hope you realize that unless it gets to an obnoxiously hurtful point, It won't have very much of an effect.

I think cursing at someone who is attempting to hold a reasoned and calm discussion with you is fairly obnoxious. Perhaps not hurtful in itself, but when you do so instead of arguing, it falls under "spam/flaming", which is a violation of the rules.

I never said that was the reason I don't see him as likely. The two phrases are completely independent of one another. I do think that popularity is his strongest factor, however.

I don't think popularity is his greatest asset, I think move set potential is. I honestly never imagined he had a chance before coming to Smashboards because I didn't realize that he had much popularity at all (I'm so glad that I was wrong).

However, if you wish to make two separate and unrelated points in the future, it may benefit you to put them in different paragraphs, or have some sort of transition between them. It helps clarify your post and makes it easier to understand your true intent.

All I'm saying is that he looks at more than popularity, and to me, popularity is currently his strongest factor towards earning a spot. It in no way guarantees a spot.

Nothing guarantees a spot. What's your point here?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

He's not from Fire Waifu Emblem

(I still love you FE!)

Tsubasa Oribe (aka the Busty J-Pop Pegasus Knight) confirmed!

 

[Deleted member]

I think that Isaac has a better chance than the Inklings simply because the Inklings are too new, and too untested.

Don't forget the Mii gunner costumes (and no, don't even try to bring Link's Mii costume as a counterargment, they are in different situations).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I think that Isaac has a better chance than the Inklings simply because the Inklings are too new, and too untested. Isaac has a greater legacy. However, if you think that Isaac DOESN'T "fit the criteria to the 'T'", I would love to hear why.



I think cursing at someone who is attempting to hold a reasoned and calm discussion with you is fairly obnoxious. Perhaps not hurtful in itself, but when you do so instead of arguing, it falls under "spam/flaming", which is a violation of the rules.



I don't think popularity is his greatest asset, I think move set potential is. I honestly never imagined he had a chance before coming to Smashboards because I didn't realize that he had much popularity at all (I'm so glad that I was wrong).

However, if you wish to make two separate and unrelated points in the future, it may benefit you to put them in different paragraphs, or have some sort of transition between them. It helps clarify your post and makes it easier to understand your true intent.



Nothing guarantees a spot. What's your point here?

My point is that people claim characters have large chances due to popularity. I don't understand what you don't get about that.

 

[Skyblade12]

My point is that people claim characters have large chances due to popularity. I don't understand what you don't get about that.

Well, first, the point is accurate. Popular characters DO have a better chance than unpopular characters. If we have two characters who are completely identical, but one is popular and one is not, the popular one will get in before the unpopular one. Especially since the entire purpose of the ballot is to judge popularity.

Second, I fail to see what, if anything, this has to do with our discussion. There are very few people, if any, in here that are saying "OMG, ISAAC IS THE MOST POPULAR, HE'S A LOCK FOR SURE". We've discussed move potential, series representation, and legacy every bit as much as his popularity. So I don't really think that this thread needed your statement. It's repeating something we already know. I'm pretty sure everyone on Smashboards knows that popularity isn't everything (again, look at all the most popular characters who have been overlooked thus far).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Well, first, the point is accurate. Popular characters DO have a better chance than unpopular characters. If we have two characters who are completely identical, but one is popular and one is not, the popular one will get in before the unpopular one. Especially since the entire purpose of the ballot is to judge popularity.

Sakurai does as he pleases. If a character is unique and he likes them or are big enough, then he gives them a role. Popularity will not be the sole factor in deciding the character. Secondly, Isaac is popular...in the Smash fanbase. I don't see a very large or active Golden Sun fanbase. If more people would play the game and want a new one, I'd be sure that he'd be much more likely.

Second, I fail to see what, if anything, this has to do with our discussion. There are very few people, if any, in here that are saying "OMG, ISAAC IS THE MOST POPULAR, HE'S A LOCK FOR SURE". We've discussed move potential, series representation, and legacy every bit as much as his popularity. So I don't really think that this thread needed your statement. It's repeating something we already know. I'm pretty sure everyone on Smashboards knows that popularity isn't everything (again, look at all the most popular characters who have been overlooked thus far).

You'd be surprised how many people say that popularity is the only factor that matters.

 

[Skyblade12]

Sakurai does as he pleases. If a character is unique and he likes them or are big enough, then he gives them a role. Popularity will not be the sole factor in deciding the character. Secondly, Isaac is popular...in the Smash fanbase. I don't see a very large or active Golden Sun fanbase. If more people would play the game and want a new one, I'd be sure that he'd be much more likely.

NO ONE HERE HAS SAID THAT POPULARITY IS THE SOLE FACTOR. STOP USING A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT.
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent."

No one has made this claim except you. It is not our argument, it is not relevant to our discussion. If you want to argue, address the actual points we have made.

We have said, and we continue to say, that popularity is an important factor. And it is. Not that it is the only factor, or even the most important factor.

Also, if you see Isaac popular among the Smash Bros. fans, but you don't see many Golden Sun fans... Maybe you should go to a Golden Sun fansite instead of a Smashbros. fansite? You'd probably have better luck.

You'd be surprised how many people say that popularity is the only factor that matters.

Yes, I would be surprised. Because no one has said it here except you. It's irrelevant to this discussion. Contribute, or please leave.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

NO ONE HERE HAS SAID THAT POPULARITY IS THE SOLE FACTOR. STOP USING A STRAW MAN ARGUMENT.
"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent."

No one has made this claim except you. It is not our argument, it is not relevant to our discussion. If you want to argue, address the actual points we have made.

We have said, and we continue to say, that popularity is an important factor. And it is. Not that it is the only factor, or even the most important factor.

Also, if you see Isaac popular among the Smash Bros. fans, but you don't see many Golden Sun fans... Maybe you should go to a Golden Sun fansite instead of a Smashbros. fansite? You'd probably have better luck.



Yes, I would be surprised. Because no one has said it here except you. It's irrelevant to this discussion. Contribute, or please leave.

Wow, you're getting butthurt.

You know what? There ARE no Golden Sun fansites. Go figure.

But I have seen people both online and in person saying popularity is the sole factor. Also saying no on here said it isn't necessarily true. Unless you've read every post on 403 pages.

 

[Moydow]

There ARE no Golden Sun fansites.

http://forum.templeofkraden.com/site/
http://www.gs-adeptsrefuge.com
http://thelostwaters.com/

Three Golden Sun fansites (and probably more if I dug deeper around the internet). Your move.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

http://forum.templeofkraden.com/site/
http://www.gs-adeptsrefuge.com
http://thelostwaters.com/

Three Golden Sun fansites (and probably more if I dug deeper around the internet). Your move.

I like how you use the Phoenix Wright thing on the person with a Phoenix Wright avatar.

 

[Skyblade12]

Wow, you're getting butthurt.

Because I found out that you've been argumentative and hostile for the past page and a half just to explain a point that we all ALREADY KNOW.

Maybe you could go spend your time extolling this point to people who actually need to hear it. Like, say, the Shovel Knight fan base. Or the Banjo and Kazooie fan base. Or the Snake fan base. Or the Inkling fan base. Or the K. Rool fan base. Or the Ridley fan base.

All more popular than Isaac, and no one disputes that. So if popularity WAS all that mattered, we'd pretty much have given up at this point.

You know what? There ARE no Golden Sun fansites. Go figure.

There's this awesome thing called a "search engine". You plug in "Golden Sun fan site", and it links you to them!

Or you can just take Moydow's links.

But I have seen people both online and in person saying popularity is the sole factor. Also saying no on here said it isn't necessarily true. Unless you've read every post on 403 pages.

Sure they have. And they've been swiftly corrected.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

Yeah, let me fix that objection for you. (Credit to the artist, 'cause I couldn't find the source).

 

[_Sheik]

http://forum.templeofkraden.com/site/
http://www.gs-adeptsrefuge.com
http://thelostwaters.com/

Three Golden Sun fansites (and probably more if I dug deeper around the internet). Your move.

As a member of two of the three fansites listed above, I can't help but object as well.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Because I found out that you've been argumentative and hostile for the past page and a half just to explain a point that we all ALREADY KNOW.

Maybe you could go spend your time extolling this point to people who actually need to hear it. Like, say, the Shovel Knight fan base. Or the Banjo and Kazooie fan base. Or the Snake fan base. Or the Inkling fan base. Or the K. Rool fan base. Or the Ridley fan base.

All more popular than Isaac, and no one disputes that. So if popularity WAS all that mattered, we'd pretty much have given up at this point.



There's this awesome thing called a "search engine". You plug in "Golden Sun fan site", and it links you to them!

Or you can just take Moydow's links.



Sure they have. And they've been swiftly corrected.

Not once have I been hostile, aside from the admittedly mean 'pulling stuff out of your ass' line, for which I apologize.

However, I came in merely to say one thing. If people ask me or say something I feel I should respond to. I say something. That's how I roll.

 

[Skyblade12]

Gives me a Xenoblade feel. Neat.

So....Isaac. I still don't think he's likely at all, but I would certainly glad to see him. I think Sakurai's looking at more than popularity.

So, what exactly was this in response to? Because the post you quoted only contained a link to some fan art.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

So, what exactly was this in response to? Because the post you quoted only contained a link to some fan art.

I was making a comment. That's it. I post my thoughts when I get them.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

I love how this thread is always peaceful, but sometimes, a huge not-so-friendly discussion appears.

 

[Skyblade12]

I was making a comment. That's it. I post my thoughts when I get them.

In the future, please try to keep your thoughts relevant to the discussion. Since, as I have already discussed, popularity is not all Isaac has going for him, nor is it even his strongest point, your comment was irrelevant, off topic, and did nothing except draw the entire thread off topic for more than a page.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

In the future, please try to keep your thoughts relevant to the discussion. Since, as I have already discussed, popularity is not all Isaac has going for him, nor is it even his strongest point, your comment was irrelevant, off topic, and did nothing except draw the entire thread off topic for more than a page.

I have the right to make a comment.

 

[ThirdDay]

Submitted! Isaac would be a great addition to the smash series. I hope he gets in!

 

[Chapter Serf]

I invoke the Dark Rituals of Damned Summoning.

I summon @Raziek to this thread! May He grace us with His Godhead and and formally support our cause with His support!

When He finishes with Evo.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I invoke the Dark Rituals of Damned Summoning.

I summon @Raziek to this thread! May He grace us with His Godhead and and formally support our cause with His support!

When He finishes with Evo.

Does Raziek actually post in this thread? Oh, nvm, you're trying to see if he will support us lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Im sorry for asking, but who's Raziek?

 

[Chapter Serf]

Im sorry for asking, but who's Raziek?

One of the best Robin players around. He's also a Mod and he has stated on several occasions that he supports and wants to see Isaac in Smash4.

A Merciless Deity who demands a daily Sacrifice of 10,000 Souls to stave off a Divine Wrath which has been known to reshape the very Fabric of Creation.

 

[BluePikmin11]

New Update:

* Bayonetta:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll365537x783448c5-14

*Isaac:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll365533xde0EBD9a-14

* Reckless Safety Man:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll365532x7449427d-14

* Ridley:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll364786x21e62808-14

Go Vote! Vote for the others too! (Yes I am curious how much results RSM gets)

 

[Liverpool19]

Geez, things got a bit heated. I honestly think that Isaac is the third most likely character for DLC. Behind Wolf and K. Rool