Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[POKEMANSPIKA]

That site has a tendency to do that.



I think both Roy and Ryu are more likely than Banjo and Kazooie.

Even though Banjo and Kazooie are WAY BETTER CHARACTERS, sadly we will probably get Roy and Ryu. Then my friend and I will each have characters that we hate in Smash but not in their games.

Me -
My friend -

 

[MagiusNecros]

I sadly lack any care in Roy or Ryu.

Neither of those is named Hector. Or Isaac.

Roy is just a way to play Marth by spacing horribly.

Ryu could be interesting but I'd rather have more villain characters.

Or just Ridley.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Is it just me or has this entire forum had really slow traffic lately. I'm one of those people who are like constantly bored so I go to Smashboards to converse, since I literally know one person who would talk to me about this. For example, this thread doesn't seem to get much action lately. I'm sure it'll change by E3 though.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I've been playing Witcher 3. Quite a big release.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I've been playing Witcher 3. Quite a big release.

Wut.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Is it just me or has this entire forum had really slow traffic lately. I'm one of those people who are like constantly bored so I go to Smashboards to converse, since I literally know one person who would talk to me about this. For example, this thread doesn't seem to get much action lately. I'm sure it'll change by E3 though.

There's not much to talk about unless something big comes up like artworks are created or whatever. Right now, the only news we get is when a Smashified is made.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

There's not much to talk about unless something big comes up like artworks are created or whatever. Right now, the only news we get is when a Smashified is made.

Well like the entire forum, at least the ones I watch. I like talking about things.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Wut.

A video game.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

A video game.

Yes I know but like why did u post that. I mean if we're announcing what were playing I'm still technically playing Golden Sun Dark Dawn since I never beat the final boss since I have to grind for levels and I'm lazy.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Yes I know but like why did u post that. I mean if we're announcing what were playing I'm still technically playing Golden Sun Dark Dawn since I never beat the final boss since I have to grind for levels and I'm lazy.

Considering how easy Dark Dawn is you should feel ashamed. I don't even think Dark Dawn gives us a Hard Mode option.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Considering how easy Dark Dawn is you should feel ashamed.

Nah, I'm pretty lazy and procrastinating is just so fun.

 

[Falgor]

Yeah.... and I got stuck on it for another 2 hours. :D

I also got stuck for two hours.

Yes I know but like why did u post that. I mean if we're announcing what were playing I'm still technically playing Golden Sun Dark Dawn since I never beat the final boss since I have to grind for levels and I'm lazy.

The final grinding in Dark Dawn can be wrapped up in 2 to 3 hours. I mean, to level 99, in 2-3 hours.

And yeah, there's much less activity, now... Until E3 at least it's going to be like this I guess.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

The final grinding in Dark Dawn can be wrapped up in 2 to 3 hours. I mean, to level 99, in 2-3 hours.

That's basically what I want to do. And get like the best gear since I probably won't touch the game ever again after I finish it. I generally don't replay RPGs unless I do LPs then I'll probably play it again.

 

[Nintendokusou]

I've always thought that Smash Brothers was for Nintendo characters. That's why I'm so opposed to Ryu's inclusion. That's why I was leery with Sonic and Snake back in Brawl, and why I'm not all that hyped over Mega-Man and Pac-Man.

I have a far higher opinion of Cloud than I do Ryu, but I'd still be as opposed to Cloud's inclusion as I am Ryu's.

If people want Ryu, that's great. More power to them. If he gets included, then I'm happy for them, and I'm glad that they'll be able to enjoy the game with a new dynamic and level of fun because a character they really wanted got in. I'm not going to waste my money on him.

As for Kane, he's the recurring unkillable antagonist/anti-hero of the Command and Conquer Tiberium series and the leader of the Brotherhood of Nod.

I agree with your view on how Smash is for Nintendo characters because I definitely feel some Nintendo characters should have made the roster before we got any sort of 3rd party... but what can you do, right?

By the way, Ryu might not be too relevant for Nintendo right now, but we don't know anything... they could just announce a new Street Fighter this E3 and slam us with Ryu in Smash right there and then!
That could certainly be their excuse to put him in the game...

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

We can use this for all of the GS haters.

Golden Sun is even listed there.


As are tons of RPGs...

Nice find!
People just don't realize how good Golden Sun was at that time!
I could barely find other GBA RPG games I liked as much back then, except for maybe Pokémon and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

I'm surprised Ray from Custom Robo isn't in the game simply because they have that "custom moves" theme going on... I mean, he would be perfect for that, his game is based on customization!

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

I sadly lack any care in Roy or Ryu.

Neither of those is named Hector. Or Isaac.

Roy is just a way to play Marth by spacing horribly.

Ryu could be interesting but I'd rather have more villain characters.

Or just Ridley.

Finally, someone that would much rather have Hector than Roy in Smash. I mean, we don't need Marth v3 or Fiery Marth, but a new FE lord with another type of weapon (I'm inclined to either Hector or Ephraim) would be awesome and original.

The only think I hope for Ryu is that it means Nintendo's buyin' Megaman and Zero becomes a possibility to be a playable character as DLC or in Smash 5. As for Isaac, I can only wait and hope for the best (good thing Golden Sun make me an expert at waiting).

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Personally I'd rather have Anna than other Fire Emblem reps. She just seems like a fun character with a unique sort of personality. Plus she has a sort of iconic status that I think gets underrated in the Fire Emblem series. She's always there, game after game.

Although having said I don't feel like we really need another Fire Emblem rep. (even though we're getting one)

I'd guess this thread will perk up if Isaac's smashified art gets revealed. We'll have something to do what with changing the "Vote Isaac" banners at least.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Fanart isn't gonna spawn much discussion.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I personally never felt for playable Anna, unless she suddenly becomes a staple unit in all games. I still think that in terms of Awakening characters, Sakurai did well in choosing Robin and Lucina. Robin does more or less what Anna would've done anyway, foccusing more on magic than weapons, and he's the more important character overall.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Anna would end up using another sword. Even if I would prefer the weaponmaster version.

Until then I would want an FE villain or Hector.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Tbh I want nothing Fire Emblem related any more after Roy. Even if it was something awesome like Hector, or Ephraim.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I agree. Only because if Roy gets aded then you basically have Ike, Robin, and 3 Marth's.

And I can't stand Robin's playstyle. Slower then Dorf.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I am not so worried Roy becomes a full clone of Marth. If anything, he could be one of the more unique semi-clones, like Lucas and Wolf.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Very doubtful.

 

[Diddy Kong]

But if Roy would be added as a last minute clone, and he was so widely requested, how come they didn't add him in as a last minute clone instead of Lucina?

 

[Burruni]

But if Roy would be added as a last minute clone, and he was so widely requested, how come they didn't add him in as a last minute clone instead of Lucina?

Because he was not a priority to return, much like and who had more popularity.
were done more or less ALREADY before they were fighters, as costumes.

There was no Roy model hanging around with animations already rigged to a moveset. There was one for Lucina.

That's all there needs to be said.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Roy doesn't share all the same animations as Marth and Lucina do. And didn't meet a deadline. Probably as simple as that.

Expecting him to play differently other then his neutral special and spacing attacks horribly seems unlikely. Mewtwo plays mostly the same with a few alterations on his playstyle mechanics.

Plus Awakening is more popular and Roy is one of the worst Lords in Fire Emblem period. Most people that like him only knew about him from Melee and that he came from Fire Emblem and had a go boom sword.

 

[JaidynReiman]

But if Roy would be added as a last minute clone, and he was so widely requested, how come they didn't add him in as a last minute clone instead of Lucina?

Because Lucina was planned as an alt of Marth. The problem with Roy is his stats are significantly different. And Lucina was effectively almost identical to Marth anyway.

Roy doesn't share all the same animations as Marth and Lucina do. And didn't meet a deadline. Probably as simple as that.

Expecting him to play differently other then his neutral special and spacing attacks horribly seems unlikely. Mewtwo plays mostly the same with a few alterations on his playstyle mechanics.

Plus Awakening is more popular and Roy is one of the worst Lords in Fire Emblem period. Most people that like him only knew about him from Melee and that he came from Fire Emblem and had a go boom sword.

Roy's not -that- bad... he's certainly better than Leif in Thracia 776 (Leif is amazing in Geneology of the Holy War, though). The problem with Roy is he promotes AT THE START OF THE CHAPTER WHERE YOU FIGHT ZEPHIEL. Because of this, you haven't been able to use Roy for about half the game, and if you didn't collect all the Legendary Weapons, this is the end of the game. If you did collect the Legendary Weapons the game continues and Roy is useful the rest of the game.

The next chapter after Zephiel is decently difficult. Then anyone with a legendary weapon can solo the rest of the game.


Roy's certainly useful. The only issue is, by the point you get him, everyone else is already just as, if not more useful (since they'll have significantly higher levels).

 

[MagiusNecros]

Because Lucina was planned as an alt of Marth. The problem with Roy is his stats are significantly different. And Lucina was effectively almost identical to Marth anyway.

Still think Lucina should have been unique. She cosplayed as Marth but fought like Chrom and Chrom fights nothing like Ike regardless of whatever that Looney Tune Sakurai thinks.

 

[Burruni]

Because Lucina was planned as an alt of Marth. The problem with Roy is his stats are significantly different. And Lucina was effectively almost identical to Marth anyway.



Roy's not -that- bad... he's certainly better than Leif in Thracia 776 (Leif is amazing in Geneology of the Holy War, though). The problem with Roy is he promotes AT THE START OF THE CHAPTER WHERE YOU FIGHT ZEPHIEL. Because of this, you haven't been able to use Roy for about half the game, and if you didn't collect all the Legendary Weapons, this is the end of the game. If you did collect the Legendary Weapons the game continues and Roy is useful the rest of the game.

The next chapter after Zephiel is decently difficult. Then anyone with a legendary weapon can solo the rest of the game.


Roy's certainly useful. The only issue is, by the point you get him, everyone else is already just as, if not more useful (since they'll have significantly higher levels).

Roy's not truly /bad/ as a unit, but he's overall bland as a character and a unit who often gets held back in many peoples' eyes because of his extraordinarily late promotion.
His game, for being nothing but Rout The Enemy on each chapter, often gets marked for a lack of diversification that has been present in the games past FE...1, I believe. Gaiden had some diversity, iirc and just... kinda didn't age as well as 8 and particularly 7 for the GBA trio in a chunk of fans' eyes possibly due to the fact that it had to wait to get fan translations for anyone outside of Japan.
Simply put, his popularity by large happens because of him in Smash and not in Fire Emblem.

Edit: And his credentials POST his game coming out don't match the FE characters that were added as originals and got lucky with becoming a clone. Honestly... wouldn't match even

 

[Chapter Serf]

The only FE character I can see myself getting behind at any point is Kamui, however, I am currently opposed to their inclusion right now until AFTER their games are released. Which is not until some time next year for the western world.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Still think Lucina should have been unique. She cosplayed as Marth but fought like Chrom and Chrom fights nothing like Ike regardless of whatever that Looney Tune Sakurai thinks.

The problem is, in Fire Emblem games the characters have very few moves as is. The character's moves are mostly made up on the spot based on a concept. Ike in Smash doesn't fight that much like Ike in Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn, either. He uses Aether, he performs his killing critical attack (Quick Draw), and his Eruption (which was originally supposed to be his Ragnel shockwave) is based on the Bolganone animation.


Some of the animations are slightly different from game-to-game, and character's fighting styles are inconsistent, as well, because they're based on the class. When you can get actual Marth as a Spotpass or DLC character, he uses Lucina's model. Now from an appearance point of view, Lucina and Marth fight exactly the same.



The translation to Smash means absolutely nothing. Characters are based on a vague concept. Marth was based on a sword fighter, then later specifically with mostly thrusting attacks, which is the case with many Lords. Lucina, as she disguised herself as Marth, fit being a Marth alt perfectly.


Such was not the case with Chrom. Chrom could have been an alt for Ike. And Ike even does have Chrom's colors as a skin. That said, he didn't fight exactly like Ike in Awakening, and he certainly didn't disguise himself as Ike or anything. Ike is portrayed as a Hero when he's a spotpass character, as is his descendant Priam.



Of course Chrom -COULD- have been a separate original character. The issue is, he wasn't really all that interesting as a separate character. Frankly, I'd say the same thing about Shulk. They had to give Shulk a stat-changing gimmick to make him interesting.


There's a limited amount of things you can do to differentiate characters from the same franchise who wield the same weapon.

The only FE character I can see myself getting behind at any point is Kamui, however, I am currently opposed to their inclusion right now until AFTER their games are released. Which is not until some time next year for the western world.

I can't really see Kamui getting into Smash unless Kamui has the ability to use any weapon (Kamui's base weapon is a sword, but maybe Kamui can be customized to use different weapons). The problem is, the Dragon concept I can't see working in Smash Bros.


If we were to get an If character, I blatantly think it'd be Aqua. She'd be far easier to create and would represent another central weapon of the FE series, as well as have an original fighting style through dancing. Not even Kamui's fighting style really is all that interesting without the Dragon.

 

[MagiusNecros]

We know nothing about Kamui so it's a no go.

The thing is Jaid is that if Tecmo Koei made a FE Musou I can assure you every playable character played differently.

 

[Chapter Serf]

I can't really see Kamui getting into Smash unless Kamui has the ability to use any weapon (Kamui's base weapon is a sword, but maybe Kamui can be customized to use different weapons). The problem is, the Dragon concept I can't see working in Smash Bros.


If we were to get an If character, I blatantly think it'd be Aqua. She'd be far easier to create and would represent another central weapon of the FE series, as well as have an original fighting style through dancing. Not even Kamui's fighting style really is all that interesting without the Dragon.

You make good points. Although there are some pictures out of him/her only partially transformed. So perhaps that could be used as something, but again, I want to wait until the game actually comes out.

We know nothing about Kamui so it's a no go.

Like I said, I'm opposed to their inclusion until If is released.

 

[Nintendokusou]

The problem is, in Fire Emblem games the characters have very few moves as is. The character's moves are mostly made up on the spot based on a concept. Ike in Smash doesn't fight that much like Ike in Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn, either. He uses Aether, he performs his killing critical attack (Quick Draw), and his Eruption (which was originally supposed to be his Ragnel shockwave) is based on the Bolganone animation.


Some of the animations are slightly different from game-to-game, and character's fighting styles are inconsistent, as well, because they're based on the class. When you can get actual Marth as a Spotpass or DLC character, he uses Lucina's model. Now from an appearance point of view, Lucina and Marth fight exactly the same.



The translation to Smash means absolutely nothing. Characters are based on a vague concept. Marth was based on a sword fighter, then later specifically with mostly thrusting attacks, which is the case with many Lords. Lucina, as she disguised herself as Marth, fit being a Marth alt perfectly.


Such was not the case with Chrom. Chrom could have been an alt for Ike. And Ike even does have Chrom's colors as a skin. That said, he didn't fight exactly like Ike in Awakening, and he certainly didn't disguise himself as Ike or anything. Ike is portrayed as a Hero when he's a spotpass character, as is his descendant Priam.



Of course Chrom -COULD- have been a separate original character. The issue is, he wasn't really all that interesting as a separate character. Frankly, I'd say the same thing about Shulk. They had to give Shulk a stat-changing gimmick to make him interesting.


There's a limited amount of things you can do to differentiate characters from the same franchise who wield the same weapon.



I can't really see Kamui getting into Smash unless Kamui has the ability to use any weapon (Kamui's base weapon is a sword, but maybe Kamui can be customized to use different weapons). The problem is, the Dragon concept I can't see working in Smash Bros.


If we were to get an If character, I blatantly think it'd be Aqua. She'd be far easier to create and would represent another central weapon of the FE series, as well as have an original fighting style through dancing. Not even Kamui's fighting style really is all that interesting without the Dragon.

Kamui could work if they made a gimmick for him involving the Dragon Pulse abilities to morph terrain.
But I agree that Aqua with her apparent water manipulation abilities would be cooler!

 

[JaidynReiman]

Kamui could work if they made a gimmick for him involving the Dragon Pulse abilities to morph terrain.
But I agree that Aqua with her apparent water manipulation abilities would be cooler!

I wasn't aware that Aqua had water manipulation abilities. Plus, keep in mind; ALL royals have Dragon Pulse. Aqua could do it do, as well as any of the Nohr and Hoshido royalty on either side. Plus Aqua would also have the Lance to differentiate her as well.


Speaking of water manipulation, ideas about Alex as a secondary GS pick (assuming Isaac gets in first and Alex is the main antagonist of GS4?).

 

[Burruni]

I wasn't aware that Aqua had water manipulation abilities. Plus, keep in mind; ALL royals have Dragon Pulse. Aqua could do it do, as well as any of the Nohr and Hoshido royalty on either side. Plus Aqua would also have the Lance to differentiate her as well.


Speaking of water manipulation, ideas about Alex as a secondary GS pick (assuming Isaac gets in first and Alex is the main antagonist of GS4?).

If Isaac is in Smash 4 as DLC, Alex in Smash 5 is a possible idea if GS4's a stellar title.

 

[Chapter Serf]

Speaking of water manipulation, ideas about Alex as a secondary GS pick (assuming Isaac gets in first and Alex is the main antagonist of GS4?).

If Isaac is in Smash 4 as DLC, Alex in Smash 5 is a possible idea if GS4's a stellar title.

Indeed. And provided Alex is the Antagonist. The ending of DD left me wondering if he wasn't as evil as the GBA games made him out to be. I still can't decide if I should file him under Anti-Hero or Antagonist.

I do think though that if Isaac makes it in, they have no excuse when it comes to a GS4.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Indeed. And provided Alex is the Antagonist. The ending of DD left me wondering if he wasn't as evil as the GBA games made him out to be. I still can't decide if I should file him under Anti-Hero or Antagonist.

I do think though that if Isaac makes it in, they have no excuse when it comes to a GS4.

I think GS4 is happening at this point. I also think Isaac will probably be playable in some way, since the conflict between Isaac and Alex NEEDS to happen.


I dunno, I always just assumed that Alex is merely doing everything he's doing for power. I've read a lot about GS2, so even though I haven't played 2/3 yet, I do know a lot about it. I figured that the games were leading up Alex trying to become a God essentially, but I haven't played DD yet and I don't know -that- much about it, so its possible I missed something.

If Isaac is in Smash 4 as DLC, Alex in Smash 5 is a possible idea if GS4's a stellar title.

I just think that Alex is the most likely because he's the second-most recurring important character, and he's essentially Isaac's nemesis/arch-rival at this point. He hasn't been fought yet, but I really do think the games are leading up to the conflict between Isaac and Alex.


Granted, Garret so far as been in all three games as well and will probably appear in GS4.

 

[Nintendokusou]

I wasn't aware that Aqua had water manipulation abilities. Plus, keep in mind; ALL royals have Dragon Pulse. Aqua could do it do, as well as any of the Nohr and Hoshido royalty on either side. Plus Aqua would also have the Lance to differentiate her as well.


Speaking of water manipulation, ideas about Alex as a secondary GS pick (assuming Isaac gets in first and Alex is the main antagonist of GS4?).

When Renka's website opened, they uploaded a few images of the single CD with Fire Emblem If's songs and in those you can see Aqua manipulating water (probably with her pendant) while dancing. I uploaded them the other day, check the end of this news story.

Regarding Alex, I think if Isaac gets in they should consider him in the future too.
He could use water geysers as a Neutral B and his Teleport as an Up B.
We also know he can use Douse too because he used it on the tempest lizards of Suhalla Desert to get his group across. That could be a Side B for example.
More than that, I don't know. Has he shown any other abilities?

And yeah, he has been manipulating everyone to unlock more and more of Alchemy's power.
He wants power but we don't know quite exactly what his intentions are after he obtains said power!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Isaac vs Alex would be the ultimate show off.