Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[JaidynReiman]

Doh' I missed

You didn't miss anything. I found that post on a different forum (I'm pretty sure it was a couple of hours old) and I scrolled through the thread and it was debunked later.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

So guys, found this on another forum (apparently from 4chan), take with a grain of salt:

Spoiler

I'm open to the prospect of him being an AT exclusive to Wii U, but it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Nothing he does can't be done on 3DS.


Mallow is probably actually "Mallo" from Pushmo World. No idea who Smicks is. Helirin is a useless AT, and I honestly don't see the point in bringing back Jill without Barbara. Same with Ray, why's he gone?


I have no idea what Silver Stream is.

Mallow would NEVER be an assist trophy because of issues with Square

 

[Retroend]

You didn't miss anything. I found that post on a different forum (I'm pretty sure it was a couple of hours old) and I scrolled through the thread and it was debunked later.

thank God. i was gonna rage big time. if isaac isn't in the game, then maybe DLC will become available to him, but i have no faith in sakurai on that.

 

[Aguki90]

Is just a 4chan post... Is just a 4chan post.... Is just a 4chan post....

Mallo from pushmo don't make any sense, Is have more handheld history than console and is Jill is a Wii U exclusive that really not make any sense at all, like ZERO NOPE.
Isaac would be Jill case, they don't make sense to make in the Wii U version when those tree characters were born in handheld and those two should appear in handheld smash!

 

[JaidynReiman]

Is just a 4chan post... Is just a 4chan post.... Is just a 4chan post....

Mallo from pushmo don't make any sense, Is have more handheld history than console and is Jill is a Wii U exclusive that really not make any sense at all, like ZERO NOPE.
Isaac would be Jill case, they don't make sense to make in the Wii U version when those tree characters were born in handheld and those two should appear in handheld smash!

Did you miss my response? Its already been disconfirmed because a stage has been confirmed for Smash Wii U:

Spoiler

Flat Zone 2

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

Freakin 4chan, getting us worried for nothing.

Still, there's no sign of Isaac, so our best weapon is patience and a grain of salt to any leak.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Freakin 4chan, getting us worried for nothing.

Still, there's no sign of Isaac, so our best weapon is patience and a grain of salt to any leak.

Didn't someone say there was an Isaac trophy on the previous page? I could've sworn some guy said that... *checks*

This might be one of the most horrifying concepts, or one of the greatest ideas possible.

Anyway, I do see a regular Isaac trophy on the Wii U version, with maybe a hint at playability as a DLC character. Remember... trophies don't discredit people from playability, so I still have hope for Medusa, Rayman, and

Spoiler

Mecha-Fiora

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Maybe he just meant he could see a regular Isaac trophy happening, my mistake. The way its worded I thought it actually meant a trophy was found of him.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Off topic, but Baten Kaitos music was unlocked on Gaur Plains, so that stage finally has some guest music.

I'm thinking that any DLC stages on the Wii U version of the game will likely reuse tracks already found in the game while mixing in two or three new ones. I only think this because Sakurai probably doesn't have all those composers on retainer and music takes up a lot of space and would therefore be a pain to add via download. Remember, any 3DS stage DLC would only have 2 songs (as is the 3DS standard) so those would probably be the only new songs on the Wii U equivalent. I could very easily be wrong, but that's my current guess on how it will be done.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Off topic, but Baten Kaitos music was unlocked on Gaur Plains, so that stage finally has some guest music.

I'm thinking that any DLC stages on the Wii U version of the game will likely reuse tracks already found in the game while mixing in two or three new ones. I only think this because Sakurai probably doesn't have all those composers on retainer and music takes up a lot of space and would therefore be a pain to add via download. Remember, any 3DS stage DLC would only have 2 songs (as is the 3DS standard) so those would probably be the only new songs on the Wii U equivalent. I could very easily be wrong, but that's my current guess on how it will be done.

Agreed, although notably, they don't have to make all-new songs at all. In fact, the grand majority of the music in the game right now are from Brawl or ripped straight out of games. There aren't THAT many remixes.


If GS were to get a DLC stage, I think it would probably have maybe one new track, but it'd likely be a track that was made for GS4. And in Smash Wii U, the rest of the music would be taken straight from the existing games, along with the one GS track already in the game.


Baten Kaitos is odd, though, as its the only third-party music track not from a franchise with a playable character in it.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Agreed, although notably, they don't have to make all-new songs at all. In fact, the grand majority of the music in the game right now are from Brawl or ripped straight out of games. There aren't THAT many remixes.


If GS were to get a DLC stage, I think it would probably have maybe one new track, but it'd likely be a track that was made for GS4. And in Smash Wii U, the rest of the music would be taken straight from the existing games, along with the one GS track already in the game.


Baten Kaitos is odd, though, as its the only third-party music track not from a franchise with a playable character in it.

Baten Kaitos is a special case. Baten Kaitos Origins was published by Namco (who are making Smash 4, so the rights were not an issue), the series was a Nintendo exclusive, and most importantly, it was the last major game worked on by Monolith Soft before they were acquired by Nintendo. It makes sense to include a music track from one of Monolith Soft's biggest franchises in a stage for a different Monolith Soft game.

I would think we get would two new tracks for each DLC stage (since the 3DS version of the stage will have 2 tracks,) which would mean a total of 3 Golden Sun tracks unless we find more already in the game as unlockables.

By the way, I could see the Baten Kaitos track (Valedictory Elegy) being one of the songs moved to a possible Golden Sun stage. I think it would fit really well, honestly.

 

[CheckmateChuck]

Thing is, Isaac is a really special case since he is the only character one could think of when discussing which Golden Sun rep might be likely. If there was any trace of new (!) Golden Sun content in the games, we'd all know what's up. Sakurai might very well be aware of that.
Now this surely isn't a fact by any means, but it still holds some truth. Any kind of Golden Sun content in the game other than the remix from Brawl would be more than a clear hint.

Edit: Also, that music just screams Sakuraba. Could be ripped out of Star Ocean or even Valkyrie Profile - you name it.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Thing is, Isaac is a really special case since he is the only character one could think of when discussing which Golden Sun rep might be likely. If there was any trace of new (!) Golden Sun content in the games, we'd all know what's up. Sakurai might very well be aware of that.
Now this surely isn't a fact by any means, but it still holds some truth. Any kind of Golden Sun content in the game other than the remix from Brawl would be more than a clear hint.

I do think we'll get an Isaac trophy on Wii U at this point. Having the GS track makes it even WEIRDER than Isaac doesn't have a trophy on Smash 3DS. That definitely makes things very suspicious for me.

Baten Kaitos is a special case. Baten Kaitos Origins was published by Namco (who are making Smash 4, so the rights were not an issue), the series was a Nintendo exclusive, and most importantly, it was the last major game worked on by Monolith Soft before they were acquired by Nintendo. It makes sense to include a music track from one of Monolith Soft's biggest franchises in a stage for a different Monolith Soft game.

I would think we get would two new tracks for each DLC stage (since the 3DS version of the stage will have 2 tracks,) which would mean a total of 3 Golden Sun tracks unless we find more already in the game as unlockables.

By the way, I could see the Baten Kaitos track (Valedictory Elegy) being one of the songs moved to a possible Golden Sun stage. I think it would fit really well, honestly.

Baten Kaitos is not a big Namco franchise by any means. Not even close. Its a very small franchise with a cult following. The games did not sell that well, and no further game was made past Origins. It being the last game Monolith developed before being acquired by Nintendo is interesting, I did not know they were Monolith games. I did know they were Nintendo exclusive, though.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I do think we'll get an Isaac trophy on Wii U at this point. Having the GS track makes it even WEIRDER than Isaac doesn't have a trophy on Smash 3DS. That definitely makes things very suspicious for me.



Baten Kaitos is not a big Namco franchise by any means. Not even close. Its a very small franchise with a cult following. The games did not sell that well, and no further game was made past Origins. It being the last game Monolith developed before being acquired by Nintendo is interesting, I did not know they were Monolith games. I did know they were Nintendo exclusive, though.

I guess I worded that wrong. By biggest, I meant a prominent Monolith Soft (not Namco) franchise.. especially for Nintendo fans who would probably be more familiar with Baten Kaitos then with Xeno Saga unless they were multi-console gamers (which most of us are, but still.) It's just a nice nod to Monolith Soft's past.

I agree about the Wii U having an Isaac Trophy, and I wouldn't doubt seeing another GS song as well. The only question is whether or not he is an Assist Trophy. I would laugh SO hard if Mathew is a new Assist Trophy in his place. That might be a bit too obvious, lol.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I guess I worded that wrong. By biggest, I meant a prominent Monolith Soft (not Namco) franchise.. especially for Nintendo fans who would probably be more familiar with Baten Kaitos then with Xeno Saga unless they were multi-console gamers (which most of us are, but still.) It's just a nice nod to Monolith Soft's past.

I agree about the Wii U having an Isaac Trophy, and I wouldn't doubt seeing another GS song as well. The only question is whether or not he is an Assist Trophy. I would laugh SO hard if Mathew is a new Assist Trophy in his place. That might be a bit too obvious, lol.

I don't think Matthew would replace Isaac as an AT, that would make it all too blatantly obvious that they're planning Isaac as DLC. Besides, I think they'd make Matthew an alt of Isaac, anyway. As for as second GS song, I don't see it happening until/unless an actual GS stage is added as DLC.


I guess I can see that. I didn't even know Baten Kaitos was a Monolith game. Yeah, to western audiences, its probably the biggest thing Monolith did on a Nintendo console prior to Xenoblade.

 

[Bassoonist]

Still, we should all be prepared for the event that Isaac is a Wii U exclusive Assist Trophy.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense to us. As I said before they showed off the Mewtwo/Mega Mewtwo trophy on the Wii U at the very same time they were saying that the Wii U is going to have console-specific trophies. That does not make sense, either. And I'm not sure why it would all of the sudden change when it comes to being an Assist Trophy.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Still, we should all be prepared for the event that Isaac is a Wii U exclusive Assist Trophy.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense to us. As I said before they showed off the Mewtwo/Mega Mewtwo trophy on the Wii U at the very same time they were saying that the Wii U is going to have console-specific trophies. That does not make sense, either. And I'm not sure why it would all of the sudden change when it comes to being an Assist Trophy.

I've never said it wasn't a possibility. I highly doubt its the case, its incredibly odd and we'd have probably heard about it by now, but I'm prepared for the possibility (despite thinking its incredibly unlikely).

 

[Bassoonist]

I've never said it wasn't a possibility. I highly doubt its the case, its incredibly odd and we'd have probably heard about it by now, but I'm prepared for the possibility (despite thinking its incredibly unlikely).

Have the Wii U-specific ATs been leaked yet?

 

[JaidynReiman]

Have the Wii U-specific ATs been leaked yet?

We've gotten leaks from Smash Bros. Wii U despite the embargo. There has been NO information at all about Wii U exclusive AT's. If they existed, I'm positive we'd have found out about them by now.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I'm surprised the embargo is being broken so casually.

Did gamexplain break the embargo when they posted the songs and the palutena's guidance conversations or were they allowed to do that?

 

[LasermasterA]

I don't think Matthew would replace Isaac as an AT, that would make it all too blatantly obvious that they're planning Isaac as DLC. Besides, I think they'd make Matthew an alt of Isaac, anyway. As for as second GS song, I don't see it happening until/unless an actual GS stage is added as DLC.


I guess I can see that. I didn't even know Baten Kaitos was a Monolith game. Yeah, to western audiences, its probably the biggest thing Monolith did on a Nintendo console prior to Xenoblade.

Although I would be fine with Matthew being the Isaac AT. That would be blatantly obvious BUT it would still keep GS as an AT and a playable character representation. Also, Isaac can hog all the glory then mwuahahaha!

Hmm yea, Baiten Katos was by tri-Crescendo and Monolith. The first game was published by Namco itself with Nintendo as distributor but the prequel was published by Nintendo. I still have to try them somehow, apparently the games are really good but the dubbing is horrible...

On a side note, if the embargo is being broken so easily I doubt that the exclusive ATs have been seen but not revealed. Plus maybe the Mewtwo/Mega Mewtwo trophy is a placeholder for Mewtwo? Cause having Mega Mewtwo as the final smash for Mewtwo seems possible. And there have been console Pokemon games (spin-offs obviously) while there has been no game of GS on console yet. Except the VC now.

Unless in the future we get GS on Wii U

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm surprised the embargo is being broken so casually.

Did gamexplain break the embargo when they posted the songs and the palutena's guidance conversations or were they allowed to do that?

Anything that is default is allowed, so the default 322 songs are allowed to be shown. Also anything that has been confirmed before release of the game is also allowed so the Palutena's Guidance conversations are also allowed.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

Anything that is default is allowed, so the default 322 songs are allowed to be shown. Also anything that has been confirmed before release of the game is also allowed so the Palutena's Guidance conversations are also allowed.

This got me thinking, if anything that is default by this time is allowed, than there should be no problem with revealing all the characters that are also on the 3DS, however, what if there are still more characters to be shown and they can do it just yet? It is highly unlikely.

Also, I've see the Palutena's Guidance conversations and they are awesome, so I thought of one to Isaac's:

Viridi: Who's that handsome guy?
Palutena: No wonder the Goddess of Nature is interested in Isaac.
Pit: Isaac? Isn't that the leader of the Warriors of Vale?
Palutena: That's right Pit, Isaac, alongside Felix, was the leader of the group of eight warriors that saved Weyard.
Pit: That mere swordsman saved the world?
Palutena: You shouldn't understimate Isaac, after all, he is both a master at sword and Psyenergy.
Pit: Psyenergy?
Palutena: That's right, Psyenergy is the force of the elements. Earth, Fire, Wind and Water. In Isaac's case he is a Venus Adept.
Pit: Venus Adept?
Viridi: Could you be more ignorant Pit? Venus Adepts' Psyenergy is based on the Earth Element, which means Isaac can control both plants and boulders, such an awesome power...
Palutena: Not only that, he can also form a powerful sword out of his Psyenergy called Ragnarok, or cast a Psyenergy hand known as Move, that can push you and block projectiles.
Pit: So, any tips on beating this guy?
Viridi: Treat Isaac with respect, anyway, he might be to much for such a puny angel to defeat.
Palutena: Don't listen to Viridi Pit, however, defeating Isaac won't be easy, he excels at both sword and psyenergy, so try to look for an opening after an attack and strike him back.
Viridi: Good luck at finding that opening little Pit.

I hope you liked my idea of a guidance conversation and I would also like to see yours

 

[BluePikmin11]

Viridi and Isaac would make for a good KI codec and interesting chemistry.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

For those asking about Wii U Assist Trophies, Gamexplain (a video game reviewing company) was given a review copy of SSB4 Wii U by Nintendo and is known for showing as much content as they can find.

Here is a link to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplain/videos

They do not have a video of all the Wii U Assist Trophies yet, but they eventually will.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

For those asking about Wii U Assist Trophies, Gamexplain (a video game reviewing company) was given a review copy of SSB4 Wii U by Nintendo and is known for showing as much content as they can find.

Here is a link to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplain/videos

They do not have a video of all the Wii U Assist Trophies yet, but they eventually will.

If Isaac is an unlockable assist he won't be shown by gamexplain though.

 

[Spazzy_D]

If Isaac is an unlockable assist he won't be shown by gamexplain though.

This is the guy you want to follow for leaks, as he has been showing unlockable stages and events and doesn't seem to care.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Beanman25Jr/videos

 

[Sabrewulf238]

This is the guy you want to follow for leaks, as he has been showing unlockable stages and events and doesn't seem to care.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Beanman25Jr/videos

I've watched a few videos and haven't noticed anything new.

Well maybe the events but I'm not really concerned about those, secret or not secret.

You'd think if he's unlocked all the characters and done so many events he would have unlocked all the assist trophies.......

 

[Spazzy_D]

I've watched a few videos and haven't noticed anything new.

Well maybe the events but I'm not really concerned about those, secret or not secret.

You'd think if he's unlocked all the characters and done so many events he would have unlocked all the assist trophies.......

You can see Pokemon Stadium 2, Kongo Jungle, and Flatzone 2 on his vids. Flatzone 2 wasn't hinted at all previously.

 

[JaidynReiman]

You can see Pokemon Stadium 2, Kongo Jungle, and Flatzone 2 on his vids. Flatzone 2 wasn't hinted at all previously.

Yeah, Flatzone 2 is the only known stage that was not previously announced. According to what I've heard, no reviewers have unlocked Pac-Land yet.

 

[Retroend]

Yeah, Flatzone 2 is the only known stage that was not previously announced. According to what I've heard, no reviewers have unlocked Pac-Land yet.

gamexplain already unlocked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-QiDtmYk0

 

[JaidynReiman]

gamexplain already unlocked it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9-QiDtmYk0

At the time I posted it. They FINALLY unlocked it. I posted that a good hour before they finally unlocked it.

 

[IceAnt573]

Still, we should all be prepared for the event that Isaac is a Wii U exclusive Assist Trophy.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense to us. As I said before they showed off the Mewtwo/Mega Mewtwo trophy on the Wii U at the very same time they were saying that the Wii U is going to have console-specific trophies. That does not make sense, either. And I'm not sure why it would all of the sudden change when it comes to being an Assist Trophy.

I thought the whole idea of console specific stuff was thrown out the window when Kalos League is a Wii U stage.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I thought the whole idea of console specific stuff was thrown out the window when Kalos League is a Wii U stage.

For the most part, stages on each specific console is based on handhelds (3DS) and home console (Wii U), but that's not always the case. In the case of Pokemon, 90% of the games are all on handhelds, with very few actual console releases. Kalos League being a console stage is fine, because if it wasn't there wouldn't be a new Pokemon stage on Wii U. The grand majority of the stages on each version is from handhelds and consoles, respectively, but not 100%. This primarily just applies to stages, though.

 

[IceAnt573]

For the most part, stages on each specific console is based on handhelds (3DS) and home console (Wii U), but that's not always the case. In the case of Pokemon, 90% of the games are all on handhelds, with very few actual console releases. Kalos League being a console stage is fine, because if it wasn't there wouldn't be a new Pokemon stage on Wii U. The grand majority of the stages on each version is from handhelds and consoles, respectively, but not 100%. This primarily just applies to stages, though.

I wouldn't say there wouldn't be one if Kalos wasn't chosen. It could have been something from Pokemon Battle Revolution or the PokePark games. They might seem too obscure, but Pac-Man's Wii U stage is based off Pac-Land rather than say...Pac-Man World. However, Kalos was chosen and the thought process could have been anything. So I guess to tie it back to Isaac and if he does end up as an assist trophy, maybe it's just because Sakurai thinks Isaac deserves to be seen in HD using Psynergy at 60 FPS.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

I wouldn't say there wouldn't be one if Kalos wasn't chosen. It could have been something from Pokemon Battle Revolution or the PokePark games. They might seem too obscure, but Pac-Man's Wii U stage is based off Pac-Land rather than say...Pac-Man World. However, Kalos was chosen and the thought process could have been anything. So I guess to tie it back to Isaac and if he does end up as an assist trophy, maybe it's just because Sakurai thinks Isaac deserves to be seen in HD using Psynergy at 60 FPS.

Then they could just make him playable, so that he can be in HD and run at 60 FPS in both versions. Also, Golden Sun still has no representation, it's about time it got some love.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Then they could just make him playable, so that he can be in HD and run at 60 FPS in both versions. Also, Golden Sun still has no representation, it's about time it got some love.

Speaking of Golden Sun, I heard on a different forum that The Lost Age is releasing on VC this week in Europe. I'll probably try and get it next month (assuming its out by then in the US). By the end of this month I should have a Wii U and Smash. Hopefully. By next week I'm hoping to get a new car... hopefully...

 

[Storm Eagle]

Lost Age comes out this week in Europe on the VC! If you haven't played it yet, get this game!

 

[Staarih]

Lost Age comes out this week in Europe on the VC! If you haven't played it yet, get this game!

Yes! Definitely a must-have for me after purchasing the first one on the Wii U! And I'll count it as a way of contributing to support Golden Sun haha!

 

[LasermasterA]

Then they could just make him playable, so that he can be in HD and run at 60 FPS in both versions. Also, Golden Sun still has no representation, it's about time it got some love.

So true! And it makes too much sense! Plus don't forget that he can then be in 3D as well

Speaking of Golden Sun, I heard on a different forum that The Lost Age is releasing on VC this week in Europe.

W00T! Finally the game getting some love! Now onto the next step Nintendo, Isaac in Smash and GS4 to be released in 2016!

I'll probably try and get it next month (assuming its out by then in the US).

Have fun! Although you probably know tons of spoilers by now, but still enjoy the game! Don't forget to do the transfer though.

By the end of this month I should have a Wii U and Smash. Hopefully.

Same here!

 

[JaidynReiman]

So true! And it makes too much sense! Plus don't forget that he can then be in 3D as well



W00T! Finally the game getting some love! Now onto the next step Nintendo, Isaac in Smash and GS4 to be released in 2016!


Have fun! Although you probably know tons of spoilers by now, but still enjoy the game! Don't forget to do the transfer though.


Same here!

I dunno. I'm legitimately considering buying GS1 and replaying the game and maybe even livestreaming it, but its iffy. Anything to spread the word of GS I think would help, though. Of course I'm planning on buying a crap load of stuff soon... My wallet hurts...