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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

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Wow, this isnt even salty, it is bitter!
What leaps you make in those illogical clone assertions.

I want Isaac badly, but I still never understood why people bash one character when they are upset over their own.
Those were all clone assertions I heard from the Smashboards members here. I don't pretend to be nearly as good at spotting that sort of thing.

My personal opinion is that Bowser Jr. is actually a heavily modified Jigglypuff clone. The clown car warps, flexes, and spins way too much to be a solid vehicle. It was given Diddy Kong's Up-B recovery, and a missile that would probably equate to Samus's, but we don't really get to see it in detail.

I bash the leak because it looks bad. True or not, the models and animations are very sub-par for what we've gotten so far. The Shulk victory screen was almost painful to look at, he was rendered so poorly.
 

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Those were all clone assertions I heard from the Smashboards members here. I don't pretend to be nearly as good at spotting that sort of thing.

My personal opinion is that Bowser Jr. is actually a heavily modified Jigglypuff clone. The clown car warps, flexes, and spins way too much to be a solid vehicle. It was given Diddy Kong's Up-B recovery, and a missile that would probably equate to Samus's, but we don't really get to see it in detail.

I bash the leak because it looks bad. True or not, the models and animations are very sub-par for what we've gotten so far. The Shulk victory screen was almost painful to look at, he was rendered so poorly.
Uh-uh. Plus I agreed with your bitter sarcasm a fair bit. The end of the line looks very disappointing compared to how it all started with the epic Megaman reveal (The villager DOES NOT count!). Seriously Nintendo can't be thinking about finishing its character line up full of clones! Even the Shulk leak showed similarities between his moves and Marth and Link's moves!

Did Nintendo screw up their timing again? Cause that would be a grim way to explain it. They ran out of time, couldn't delay the game once more so they literally made the end of the line roster to be mediocre-ish.

Although I seriously hope that is not the case since as you said the leak is BAD news!
 

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Uh-uh. Plus I agreed with your bitter sarcasm a fair bit. The end of the line looks very disappointing compared to how it all started with the epic Megaman reveal (The villager DOES NOT count!). Seriously Nintendo can't be thinking about finishing its character line up full of clones! Even the Shulk leak showed similarities between his moves and Marth and Link's moves!

Did Nintendo screw up their timing again? Cause that would be a grim way to explain it. They ran out of time, couldn't delay the game once more so they literally made the end of the line roster to be mediocre-ish.

Although I seriously hope that is not the case since as you said the leak is BAD news!
No. If it's true, they were meant to be hidden characters, and the final reveals are going to be the true gems: Isaac, Mewtwo, Impa, and Ridley. The clones were meant to be hidden/unannounced, and would not receive highlight trailers.

This makes sense for most of them, but it still seems weird for Shulk. Why even have a representative for Xenoblade Chronicles if he's going to look so generic and unpolished, and be hidden to boot?
 

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No. If it's true, they were meant to be hidden characters, and the final reveals are going to be the true gems: Isaac, Mewtwo, Impa, and Ridley. The clones were meant to be hidden/unannounced, and would not receive highlight trailers.

This makes sense for most of them, but it still seems weird for Shulk. Why even have a representative for Xenoblade Chronicles if he's going to look so generic and unpolished, and be hidden to boot?
I mean, what makes most sense is that they would have characters ready to download, so that they could not be leaked in the first place.

Either way, they would certainly be ready for more hype, ready to get sales for the Wii U
 

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No. If it's true, they were meant to be hidden characters, and the final reveals are going to be the true gems: Isaac, Mewtwo, Impa, and Ridley. The clones were meant to be hidden/unannounced, and would not receive highlight trailers.

This makes sense for most of them, but it still seems weird for Shulk. Why even have a representative for Xenoblade Chronicles if he's going to look so generic and unpolished, and be hidden to boot?
Well I guess I can agree with that but what you say for Shulk also makes the leak seem off. Why is Shulk appearing to be so generic is a question to be asked since if they are going to represent a sole member of a franchise, atleast represent him properly!? He appears to have Marth's counter, but just operates in a Shulk-y way that's all. Marth can't have yet another clone can he?

And what you say about true gems, I believe that to be the case! The hype train has not yet reached its final destination :)

Isaac, Mewtwo, Impa and Ridley. Now that will definitely be epic!! And it would certainly be enough to wipe the leak clean from most people's minds! Now we just need a reveal trailer to announce this news!

Plus it will convince me to get Smash 4 as soon as it comes out!
 
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Well I guess I can agree with that but what you say for Shulk also makes the leak seem off. Why is Shulk appearing to be so generic is a question to be asked since if they are going to represent a sole member of a franchise, atleast represent him properly!? He appears to have Marth's counter, but just operates in a Shulk-y way that's all. Marth can't have yet another clone can he?

And what you say about true gems, I believe that to be the case! The hype train has not yet reached its final destination :)

Isaac, Mewtwo, Impa and Ridley. Now that will definitely be epic!! And it would certainly be enough to wipe the leak clean from most people's minds! Now we just need a reveal trailer to announce this news!

Plus it will convince me to get Smash 4 as soon as it comes out!
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Guys we all want issac in but bashing characters isn't going to help.The only marth thing i saw shulk have was his recovery other than that he seemed unique.Same goes for bowser jr all he had was diddy's recover and a completely unique moveset.Besides this is a issac thread not a leak thread.LEts keep it on issac
 

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Hmm. K. Rool? Add him in those 4 if you want :p

Guys we all want issac in but bashing characters isn't going to help.The only marth thing i saw shulk have was his recovery other than that he seemed unique.Same goes for bowser jr all he had was diddy's recover and a completely unique moveset.Besides this is a issac thread not a leak thread.LEts keep it on issac
Not bashing just discussing it in context of the Isaac reveal. After all the leak does matter a bit since Isaac has not been mentioned so just keeping talks about the leak to a minimum. Not bashing anyone just question some of it though.

And obviously we all want Isaac, that is what the thread is for! We don't have to say it every post (although I am guilty of often doing that)!
 
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The way I see it.. Either that extended leak is correct where Ridley / Mewtwo / Dixie / etc is in, in which case the roster is pretty good, or that part of the leak is wrong which means Isaac still has a chance. It's practically win-win! Well, worst case scenario is that the extended leak is wrong AND Isaac isn't in it. But I think it's too soon to call it quits.
 

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It seems the DLC leak was conclusively debunked.

Bottom line is:

There is room on the CSS for 5 more characters.
We don't know who they are or if they even exist. (although the whole locked All Stars thing seems to suggest they do)
According to the leak, Mii Fighters have their own separate menu.

Knowing that I don't see why we should give up on Isaac just yet. I know I haven't supported Isaac this long just to give up when things start looking a bit iffy.
 
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It seems the DLC leak was conclusively debunked.

Bottom line is:

There is room on the CSS for 5 more characters.
We don't know who they are or if they even exist. (although the whole locked All Stars thing seems to suggest they do)
According to the leak, Mii Fighters have their own separate menu.

Knowing that I don't see why we should give up on Isaac just yet. I know I haven't supported Isaac this long just to give up when things start looking a bit iffy.
That is good news right :) He can be main roster as a character not yet seen (most likely)!!

Yea supporting Isaac since so many years, now is not the time to give up at all! He can still make it in and I still think he is too good a chance for Nintendo to pass! Plus Nintendo is listening to fans a BIT more nowadays so why not?

Isaac for SSB4!
 
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The way I see it.. Either that extended leak is correct where Ridley / Mewtwo / Dixie / etc is in, in which case the roster is pretty good, or that part of the leak is wrong which means Isaac still has a chance. It's practically win-win! Well, worst case scenario is that the extended leak is wrong AND Isaac isn't in it. But I think it's too soon to call it quits.
We won't know for sure. After all, Nintendo will put a stop to any other leaks of this nature.

Still disappointed by Isaac's lack of involvement, but now that time has passed, I think we should realize that the list might not be finalized and the leaker either A) didn't unlock EVERYTHING or B) threw a few red herrings because he knew he'd get into trouble.

So, I think Isaac still has a fighting chance.

(And, the "shocking announcement" was Pokken... I love Pokemon, I love Tekken, but this isn't a "peanut butter and chocolate" type of deal... lame.)
 

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We won't know for sure. After all, Nintendo will put a stop to any other leaks of this nature.

Still disappointed by Isaac's lack of involvement, but now that time has passed, I think we should realize that the list might not be finalized and the leaker either A) didn't unlock EVERYTHING or B) threw a few red herrings because he knew he'd get into trouble.

So, I think Isaac still has a fighting chance.

(And, the "shocking announcement" was Pokken... I love Pokemon, I love Tekken, but this isn't a "peanut butter and chocolate" type of deal... lame.)
Yea! And some of the rumours/leaks have included Isaac just not half as frequently as Shulk and othe rpeople. I doubt Nintendo did not realize Isaac's potential! He has to be there!

Well yea well Pokken was very very expected. Because they had coined that trademark quite some time ago read it on a website and an image was also seen!

Although I am surprised it wasn't announced for the Wii U! Wii U could use some Pokemon love, will definitely increase its sales. Plus now this is happening...

Could we get Tekken 7 on Wii U? That'd be awesome!
 
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I might give you guys one thing to do if Isaac is still an Assist Trophy.

Do not bother supporting him or any other characters being Assists before in next games. They're staying locks for rest of the series to come, and I'm quite sure more deconfirmations for "wanted" characters follow. And from the reactions to their fans, I'm baffled why Sakurai bothers implementing this concept to Smash at all. He never is praised for adding Assists unless it's someone people knew didn't have much chance in general and is a fan-favourite (Prince Sable). I personally think these kind of characters don't deserve this sort of Pokeball-treatment, and ever should have. It's a poor way to cater to the ´fanbases of these characters just by the salt Assists are known for. (Waluigi is even their unofficial mascot, and he is an epitome of "saltiness" from a human being. What should that tell us about Assists and their fans?)

I always wish the Assists were actually summonable characters akin to other fighting games, as they give them more seamless and fun integration to the gameplay, and most of all, gives them the dedication they deserve without having to waste as much resources on as playable characters.

Also, I know we had Little Mac but at the end, Golden Sun doesn't have as much impact or respect to Nintendo as Punch-Out! has. Also, Sakurai's mindset goes all over the place, so you're gonna just get toyed with him if you ever gonna support any character in Smash, or even have any wishes regarding the games in general during future.


IMO, Nintendo needs to make more crossovers with as much dedication put on as Smash Bros. Hyrule Warriors comes quite as it looks damn gorgeous and has great character cast - and loads of those throwbacks integrated to the gameplay.
It had me quite hyped to it more than SSB4 was.

If Golden Sun received something similar, I bet Isaac being in Smash doesn't have to be our only (and currently quite likely to be shooting to a moon) chance to see Golden Sun resurging in interest. And we won't with it anymore.
 
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I've been playing the first Golden Sun game on the Wii U's GBA virtual console. I'm really liking it and now I hope he makes it in. Or any Golden Sun character, really.
 

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I might give you guys one thing to do if Isaac is still an Assist Trophy.

Do not bother supporting him or any other characters being Assists before in next games. They're staying locks for rest of the series to come, and I'm quite sure more deconfirmations for "wanted" characters follow. And from the reactions to their fans, I'm baffled why Sakurai bothers implementing this concept to Smash at all. He never is praised for adding Assists unless it's someone people knew didn't have much chance in general and is a fan-favourite (Prince Sable). I personally think these kind of characters don't deserve this sort of Pokeball-treatment, and ever should have. It's a poor way to cater to the ´fanbases of these characters just by the salt Assists are known for. (Waluigi is even their unofficial character, and he is an epitome of "saltiness" from a human being.)

I always wish the Assists were actually summonable characters akin to other fighting games, as they give them more seamless and fun integration to the gameplay, and most of all, gives them the dedication they deserve without having to waste as much resources on as playable characters.

Also, I know we had Little Mac but at the end, Golden Sun doesn't have as much impact or respect to Nintendo as Punch-Out! has. Also, Sakurai's mindset goes all over the place, so you're gonna just get toyed with him if you ever gonna support any character in Smash, or even have any wishes regarding the games in general during future.


IMO, Nintendo needs to make more crossovers with as much dedication put on as Smash Bros. Hyrule Warriors comes quite as it looks damn gorgeous and has great character cast - and loads of those throwbacks integrated to the gameplay.
It had me quite hyped to it more than SSB4 was.

If Golden Sun received something similar, I bet Isaac being in Smash doesn't have to be our only (and currently quite likely to be shooting to a moon) chance to see Golden Sun resurging in interest. And we won't with it anymore.
Wow, that's a lot of cynicism. Although, given the roster itself, I can't blame you.
 

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I might give you guys one thing to do if Isaac is still an Assist Trophy.

Do not bother supporting him or any other characters being Assists before in next games. They're staying locks for rest of the series to come, and I'm quite sure more deconfirmations for "wanted" characters follow. And from the reactions to their fans, I'm baffled why Sakurai bothers implementing this concept to Smash at all. He never is praised for adding Assists unless it's someone people knew didn't have much chance in general and is a fan-favourite (Prince Sable). I personally think these kind of characters don't deserve this sort of Pokeball-treatment, and ever should have. It's a poor way to cater to the ´fanbases of these characters just by the salt Assists are known for. (Waluigi is even their unofficial character, and he is an epitome of "saltiness" from a human being.)

I always wish the Assists were actually summonable characters akin to other fighting games, as they give them more seamless and fun integration to the gameplay, and most of all, gives them the dedication they deserve without having to waste as much resources on as playable characters.

Also, I know we had Little Mac but at the end, Golden Sun doesn't have as much

impact or respect to Nintendo as Punch-Out! has. Also, Sakurai's mindset goes all over the place, so you're gonna just get toyed with him if you ever gonna support any character in Smash, or even have any wishes regarding the games in general during future.


IMO, Nintendo needs to make more crossovers with as much dedication put on as Smash Bros. Hyrule Warriors comes quite as it looks damn gorgeous and has great character cast - and loads of those throwbacks integrated to the gameplay.
It had me quite hyped to it more than SSB4 was.

If Golden Sun received something similar, I bet Isaac being in Smash doesn't have to be our only (and currently quite likely to be shooting to a moon) chance to see Golden Sun resurging in interest. And we won't with it anymore.
Yea but the series that got a crossover was Zelda! I repeat ZELDA! One of the trinity of Nintendo. Do you think Nintendo will create a crossover like game with Golden Sun series as a basis? I seriously doubt it and Smash is best best for a resurgence in popularity UNLESS Nintendo has other plans for the series, which they MIGHT have considering they did launch Golden Sun 1 and 2 for VC (2 in Japan not in Western markets yet). I understand your mood and why you might think that as obviously seen, Sakurai's bias does play a large role in SSB4's development.

I've been playing the first Golden Sun game on the Wii U's GBA virtual console. I'm really liking it and now I hope he makes it in. Or any Golden Sun character, really.
Yea that is what I am talking about! Many people are learning about Golden Sun now that it is on the VC.

Seriously the easiest and best plan to revive the series is ride this new surge of interest (no matter how small) and reveal Isaac as a playable character to make this surge much much bigger. That is Golden Sun's best chance at the moment , unless, as I said Nintendo has other plans for it. But the other plans should include a Smash appearance as well anyway!

By the way, @ LEGOfan12 LEGOfan12 , thanks for joining us! Welcome to the Isaac support thread! Great to hear that you like the game so far! It gets even better further out :)
 

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Wow, that's a lot of cynicism. Although, given the roster itself, I can't blame you.
Yeah. I'm afraid I've seen all the series has to offer, aside from some new "thing" they add in each game (Brawl had Final Smashes, Melee expanded moves, like charged Smashes, more throws, Side Special), and here it's clearly "customization". Also new modes to shake things up.

Aside from that, the only things that change or get expanded is the roster, the stages, the Assists, trophies, etc. I only see this as a circle that never ends for the fans waiting for certain characters to be in Smash, especially considering the periods between each game (8 years at best). I think it's most unfortunate and sad for so many C-List Nintendo-series to survive on this series just be picked up again, which is why I advise against supporting your character for that cause. Lastly, Smash can only throw salt on fans hyping for the game through the characters they want to see (Assists Trophies, million other ways of doing deconfirmations).

Yea but the series that got a crossover was Zelda! I repeat ZELDA! One of the trinity of Nintendo. Do you think Nintendo will create a crossover like game with Golden Sun series as a basis? I seriously doubt it and Smash is best best for a resurgence in popularity UNLESS Nintendo has other plans for the series, which they MIGHT have considering they did launch Golden Sun 1 and 2 for VC (2 in Japan not in Western markets yet). I understand your mood and why you might think that as obviously seen, Sakurai's bias does play a large role in SSB4's development.
Well, we had Samurai Warriors 3 with the Murasame-mode, lol. Also Captain Rainbow, which has to be yet digged in, but I found interesting points of sorts.

But you have a point. For that, it drives even more of my point home that if a series needs Smash Bros to be even resurge interest, it might as well be put in a hiatus due the development for a new game not being worth the critical reception and sales. Especially sales.

At the moment, Golden Sun is quite in dire straits. The only good ways to support it is by buying those VC-releases in order to show the interest to the series worldwide.
 

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Yeah. I'm afraid I've seen all the series has to offer, aside from some new "thing" they add in each game (Brawl had Final Smashes, Melee expanded moves, like charged Smashes, more throws, Side Special), and here it's clearly "customization". Also new modes to shake things up.

Aside from that, the only things that change or get expanded is the roster, the stages, the Assists, trophies, etc. I only see this as a circle that never ends for the fans waiting for certain characters to be in Smash, especially considering the periods between each game (8 years at best). I think it's most unfortunate and sad for so many C-List Nintendo-series to survive on this series just be picked up again, which is why I advise against supporting your character for that cause. Lastly, Smash can only throw salt on fans hyping for the game through the characters they want to see (Assists Trophies, million other ways of doing deconfirmations).



Well, we had Samurai Warriors 3 with the Murasame-mode, lol. Also Captain Rainbow, which has to be yet digged in, but I found interesting points of sorts.

But you have a point. For that, it drives even more of my point home that if a series needs Smash Bros to be even resurge interest, it might as well be put in a hiatus due the development for a new game not being worth the critical reception and sales. Especially sales.

At the moment, Golden Sun is quite in dire straits. The only good ways to support it is by buying those VC-releases in order to show the interest to the series worldwide.
Well Golden Sun is not that much in dire straits as Nintendo made it to be. Dark Dawn might have had less sales but that is because Dark Dawn was hinging on a sequel but was made as standalone, they had wanted a sequel but it was not in the works AT ALL. Plus they waited a bit too long for the next game. If they publish a 4th game now, much better than DD it will still sell cause a large part of the Golden Sun fanbase still exists. But again they are delaying it, not all fans are persistent as the ones on the thread, and it won't sell if they release it 3-4 years from now! Plus they will have to make it all newbie friendly, again!

BUT if they want to propel it to fame that Final Fantasy often garners (even though recent games were mediocre) then they need a inclusion in Smash. Plus that inclusion would absolutely guarantee a sequel. Kid Icarus for example. Pit was introduced in Brawl and then he got a new game, that too by Sakurai, hence the huge amount of bias towards Kid Icarus characters! Heck Kid Icarus now has more content than Donkey Kong and Metroid in the game!

That inclusion would be a really nice way to help the series, propel it new fame as well as tell us fans that GS still matters to Nintendo and it has not been forgotten. Plus it would fulfill our wishes that we have had about Isaac's inclusion since so long!
 

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Well Golden Sun is not that much in dire straits as Nintendo made it to be. Dark Dawn might have had less sales but that is because Dark Dawn was hinging on a sequel but was made as standalone, they had wanted a sequel but it was not in the works AT ALL. Plus they waited a bit too long for the next game. If they publish a 4th game now, much better than DD it will still sell cause a large part of the Golden Sun fanbase still exists. But again they are delaying it, not all fans are persistent as the ones on the thread, and it won't sell if they release it 3-4 years from now! Plus they will have to make it all newbie friendly, again!

BUT if they want to propel it to fame that Final Fantasy often garners (even though recent games were mediocre) then they need a inclusion in Smash. Plus that inclusion would absolutely guarantee a sequel. Kid Icarus for example. Pit was introduced in Brawl and then he got a new game, that too by Sakurai, hence the huge amount of bias towards Kid Icarus characters! Heck Kid Icarus now has more content than Donkey Kong and Metroid in the game!

That inclusion would be a really nice way to help the series, propel it new fame as well as tell us fans that GS still matters to Nintendo and it has not been forgotten. Plus it would fulfill our wishes that we have had about Isaac's inclusion since so long!


Kid Icarus only got lucky due being fit to Sakurai's Sora-project back in 2010: And now are giving biasment on because well, it's apparently the director's pet series.
Project Sora had no franchise put to it when it was still a developing , and there were even ideas for a Star Fox to be in place of Kid Icarus, but it was soon shafted due Pit fitting better for "Air Battle -> Land Battle".
If things were different though, I bet we would have seen loads of biasment towards Star Fox in similar fashion that Uprising had, through items, enemies (definitely original from the development team for Star Fox-series), etc.

This is why I believe people claiming Smash Bros would pull off a franchise revival akin to Kid Icarus Uprising to any series it features, is very misleaded fact. What happened was all due chances and opportunity, not promotion and wish to revive Kid Icarus right when Sakurai would go do a new project after Brawl.

I think what people might be more referring to is what happened to Fire Emblem after Melee: but even that struggled after Brawl before Awakening rolled in (with Mystery of Emblem-remake for DS staying in Japan) - and Awakening was even meant to be the final game in the series before the critically reception it got via sales and reviews. It kinda shows me that while Smash might give you longer lasting time, it won't affect the series' quality of games, for that isn't how it correlates to the games being made, and how well. I also think it'll be a foolish move for Nintendo to rely on Smash's represented franchises when promoting themselves, especially if the games after come out quite bad (FE: Shadow Dragon DS comes to mind).

This is why I think it's best to stop relying on Smash for promotion, if solely depending on it saving a franchise from going to hiatus. It's pretty unlikely to happen if going for series without new and well-received games. Heck, I think Mac got boost in being considered due the fact that Punch-Out Wii! was a thing before SSB4, and was planned since Wii's starting development.

Also, Smash isn't gonna magically revive every series it features with playable characters, despite resurging interest to those new to them. Look at F-Zero despite how much Captain Falcon is basically Smash's poster boy: there's been a new game demanded for years, but there's still difficulties for the team to consider what to bring with a new game. And even then, if the games suck, it's gonna lower the interest instead of keeping it growing.

Shortly, Golden Sun needs to do better than need Smash to revive it. It's quite hap-hazard and gonna more likely damage the franchise itself than do it good, as it shows the developers don't seem to care enough despite GS's initial and large fanbase. Camelot needs to make a move now the best - especially because it has even help with series' recognition and popularity if worked well on enough. Though I wonder if Nintendo itself will help with the promoting.
 
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Kid Icarus only got lucky due being fit to Sakurai's Sora-project back in 2010: And now are giving biasment on because well, it's apparently the director's pet series.
Project Sora had no franchise put to it when it was still a developing , and there were even ideas for a Star Fox to be in place of Kid Icarus, but it was soon shafted due Pit fitting better for "Air Battle -> Land Battle".
If things were different though, I bet we would have seen loads of biasment towards Star Fox in similar fashion that Uprising had, through items, enemies (definitely original from the development team for Star Fox-series), etc.

This is why I believe people claiming Smash Bros would pull off a franchise revival akin to Kid Icarus Uprising to any series it features, is very misleaded fact. What happened was all due chances and opportunity, not promotion and wish to revive Kid Icarus right when Sakurai would go do a new project after Brawl.

I think what people might be more referring to is what happened to Fire Emblem after Melee: but even that struggled after Brawl before Awakening rolled in (with Mystery of Emblem-remake for DS staying in Japan) - and Awakening was even meant to be the final game in the series before the critically reception it got via sales and reviews. It kinda shows me that while Smash might give you longer lasting time, it won't affect the series' quality of games, for that isn't how it correlates to the games being made, and how well. I also think it'll be a foolish move for Nintendo to rely on Smash's represented franchises when promoting themselves, especially if the games after come out quite bad (FE: Shadow Dragon DS comes to mind).

This is why I think it's best to stop relying on Smash for promotion, if solely depending on it saving a franchise from going to hiatus. It's pretty unlikely to happen if going for series without new and well-received games. Heck, I think Mac got boost in being considered due the fact that Punch-Out Wii! was a thing before SSB4, and was planned since Wii's starting development.

Also, Smash isn't gonna magically revive every series it features with playable characters, despite resurging interest to those new to them. Look at F-Zero despite how much Captain Falcon is basically Smash's poster boy: there's been a new game demanded for years, but there's still difficulties for the team to consider what to bring with a new game. And even then, if the games suck, it's gonna lower the interest instead of keeping it growing.

Shortly, Golden Sun needs to do better than need Smash to revive it. It's quite hap-hazard and gonna more likely damage the franchise itself than do it good, as it shows the developers don't seem to care enough despite GS's initial and large fanbase. Camelot needs to make a move now the best - especially because it has even help with series' recognition and popularity if worked well on enough. Though I wonder if Nintendo itself will help with the promoting.
Yea you can probably say that I am referring to the Fire Emblem resurgence rather than Kid Icarus. I meant that Kid Icarus got lucky and came in Project Sora which Sakurai was a leader due to which the bias is being shown. Now its clearly apparent that Sakurai is trying to put as much Kid Icarus as possible in Smash.

I am not referring to Smash as a magic pill that will suddenly make Golden Sun rise to the top again but it will definitely help since Golden Sun needs exposure. Plus Camelot needs to get their act together. They haven't been the same since the GBA era and their recent games haven't been much hits either. And it is not that Isaac's rights are owned by Camelot so thus he has not been included. Although Camelot is 2nd party, the rights for Golden Sun are owned by Nintendo! Thus Nintendo can put the character in the game if they want but whether Camelot wants to make a 4th game is still up in the air! If some other Nintendo subsidiary wants to work on it then great but otherwise Golden Sun might be suffering due to its developer being 2nd party and its declining interest in the franchise. How many Mario Golfs and Mario Tennis do they want to make? Although the recent most Mario Golf was great, the same can't be said for the last few Mario Tennis since Mario Tennis: Power Tour on GBA which I absolutely loved due to its fusion of Mario Tennis and Golden Sun :p

It's not just Camelot's fault though obviously. Nintendo is also to blame since it owns the franchise and has been unable to add it to its hit franchises, letting it stagnate. Golden Sun: TBS and TLA were amazing, then the sequel came out too late and apparently Camelot was able to retain some of the charm, it was not as amazing as the 1st two. That is the main thing about Isaac, the GBA is not too old to be called "retro" retro if you get what I am saying and the latest game Dark Dawn remained behind the scenes and was not that popular due to which it can't be much of a current franchise either!


Heck Smash made people want Fire Emblem abroad which then happened and now its one of Nintendo's signature franchise outside Japan as well. Golden Sun even didn't need that and it was extremely popular on its own. It was in Japan as well as the Western market. And it was popular. It had become more popular than Fire Emblem at that point. It is just that FE had a old history on Nintendo's consoles whereas Golden Sun was the new kid on the block. Why is that Nintendo missed his inclusion in the 1st place?

Still Isaac's inclusion would be great, even if a Golden Sun 4 is not guaranteed because that would establish that Golden Sun was a great and iconic Nintendo game and deserves a playable character. Atleast the franchise would be remembered properly! But best scenario would be new game with Isaac and older party (+Matthew if people want) and Isaac's inclusion in Smash.

We can still dream can't we? Especially since nothing too disheartening has happened regarding Isaac's reveal.

I still Isaac should be and will be in the game due to his iconic game and status as the protagonist of one of the best games to grace Nintendo consoles and one of the only RPGs that Nintendo has made, plus a really really good one at that. I liked it more than any other Final Fantasy even if it is a bit simpler in many regards!

Isaac for Smash Bros. 4!

P.S. We are really throwing walls of texts at each other :p
 

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You can say that to pretty much every "C-List" Nintendo series @ LasermasterA LasermasterA . Sakurai isn't going to look at how the development process with GS worked and understand the situation from there to include him as playable. He's most likely looking for series that have been consistently popular and/or have great strong points (such as story and gameplay) in franchises. Right now GS is already shafted down thanks to Dark Dawn, and that installment pretty much killed the chance of GS being one of the (playable) represented series for Smash IMO.
 

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Yea but the series that got a crossover was Zelda! I repeat ZELDA! One of the trinity of Nintendo. Do you think Nintendo will create a crossover like game with Golden Sun series as a basis? I seriously doubt it and Smash is best best for a resurgence in popularity UNLESS Nintendo has other plans for the series, which they MIGHT have considering they did launch Golden Sun 1 and 2 for VC (2 in Japan not in Western markets yet). I understand your mood and why you might think that as obviously seen, Sakurai's bias does play a large role in SSB4's development.



Yea that is what I am talking about! Many people are learning about Golden Sun now that it is on the VC.

Seriously the easiest and best plan to revive the series is ride this new surge of interest (no matter how small) and reveal Isaac as a playable character to make this surge much much bigger. That is Golden Sun's best chance at the moment , unless, as I said Nintendo has other plans for it. But the other plans should include a Smash appearance as well anyway!

By the way, @ LEGOfan12 LEGOfan12 , thanks for joining us! Welcome to the Isaac support thread! Great to hear that you like the game so far! It gets even better further out :)
Yeah! Glad to support Isaac for SSB4!
 

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You can say that to pretty much every "C-List" Nintendo series @ LasermasterA LasermasterA . Sakurai isn't going to look at how the development process with GS worked and understand the situation from there to include him as playable. He's most likely looking for series that have been consistently popular and/or have great strong points (such as story and gameplay) in franchises. Right now GS is already shafted down thanks to Dark Dawn, and that installment pretty much killed the chance of GS being one of the (playable) represented series for Smash IMO.
Well Golden Sun might not have the popularity it once did but it is still fairly popular with Isaac being one of the most demanded newcomers! And Golden Sun has the story and gameplay. It is one of the only JRPGs Nintendo has made and this was on the GBA! And it was a revolutionary RPG. Not in terms of innovation maybe but it had a good mix of this and that which made GS a must play for any JRPG fan.

And Golden Sun has gameplay. Yea sure later the attacks become spam unleash, psynergy or summon but the intricacies in class are still present. You can even make Isaac a healer if you want and make Garet the main damage dealer :p My first playthrough I didn't even know about dual classes and though that a fire djinni should only be given to Isaac to use growth and to Mia if you need douse!

And if you go underleveled to an area, strategy then becomes much more important. This latest Golden Sun playthrough I decided to go through Sulhalla desert just for the fun of it without taking part in the Tolbi tournament. I was level 20ish. And it was tough. Especially the tornado lizards which required strategy and water attacks to take down. Especially the Tempest Lizard who kept downing Ivan who was my healer at that time as he was a Sage I guess along with a Dragoon'ed Garet (who I just used for Cutting Edge though, the healing was just a bonus). The Djinn mix and match system along with summons and everything is pretty good! Plus weapon unleashes are awesome! And it has that unexplainable charm which I found only in Golden Sun, making me stick to the game like glue. No other JRPG has been that addicting to me. Oh yea, don't forget all the psynergy.

Even on the merits of story and gameplay, Golden Sun is pretty different from everything else Nintendo has and stands out. Dark Dawn really didn't kill the chances as it brought the series to recency but it didn't help either as it was not that great compared to the originals.

Golden Sun still has things going for it besides popularity so Isaac should still be in! Xenoblade is the only Nintendo RPG to come to mind which has created headlines like Golden Sun once did. And Shulk is looking like he is in, so Isaac should be there as well, blonde JRPG heroes together!

Not sure if it's too late, but you can count me as a supporter.
Well you are never too late for a discussion or adding support! Welcome to the Isaac support thread!

Maybe I should start copy/pasting my previous posts whenever someone disagrees on some points :p
 
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Well Golden Sun might not have the popularity it once did but it is still fairly popular with Isaac being one of the most demanded newcomers! And Golden Sun has the story and gameplay. It is one of the only JRPGs Nintendo has made and this was on the GBA! And it was a revolutionary RPG. Not in terms of innovation maybe but it had a good mix of this and that which made GS a must play for any JRPG fan.

And Golden Sun has gameplay. Yea sure later the attacks become spam unleash, psynergy or summon but the intricacies in class is still present. And if you go underleveled to an area, strategy then becomes much more important. This latest Golden Sun playthrough I decided to go through Sulhalla desert just for the fun of it without taking part in the Tolbi tournament. I was level 20. And it was tough. Especially the tornado lizards which required strategy and water attacks to take down. Especially the Tempest Lizard who kept downing Ivan who was my healer at that time as he was a Sage I guess along with a Dragoon'ed Garet (who I just used for Cutting Edge though, the healing was just a bonus). The Djinn mix and match system along with summons and everything is pretty good! Plus weapon unleashes are awesome!

Even on the merits of story and gameplay, Golden Sun is pretty different from everything else Nintendo has and stands out. Dark Dawn really didn't kill the chances as it brought the series to recency but it didn't help either as it was not that great compared to the originals.

Golden Sun still has things going for it besides popularity so Isaac should still be in! Xenoblade is the only Nintendo RPG to come to mind which has created headlines like Golden Sun once did. And Shulk is looking like he is in, so Isaac should be there as well, blonde JRPG heroes :p



Well you are never too late for a discussion or adding support! Welcome to the Isaac support thread!
A few things to note:
1. The amount of requests helps Isaac minimally (unless he's a clone, which I doubt).
2. Being one of the RPGs for the GBA is honestly nothing special and doesn't benefit his, and I think I recall thee original GS being special for it's unique 3D perspective in battle as being one of the special elements of GS, nothing special gameplay-wise.
3. I actually really don't know much of the plot of GS, could you explain it to me, and was Djinn and elemntal powers (Something recurring in RPGs) unique in gameplay?
 

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A few things to note:
1. The amount of requests helps Isaac minimally (unless he's a clone, which I doubt).
Just like requests didn't help Little Mac.

2. Being one of the RPGs for the GBA is honestly nothing special and doesn't benefit his, and I think I recall thee original GS being special for it's unique 3D perspective in battle as being one of the special elements of GS, nothing special gameplay-wise.
There are very, very few Nintendo created GBA RPGs.

And it's not our fault you can't remember any of the clear and vastly different elements of Golden Sun's gameplay.

3. I actually really don't know much of the plot of GS, could you explain it to me, and was Djinn and elemntal powers (Something recurring in RPGs) unique in gameplay?
Four elemental macguffins were stolen, and were going to be used to unleash Alchemy on the world. Your party is sent to get them back. Along the way, over the course of the games, however, you realize that Alchemy needs to be unleashed, so your struggle takes a turn where you try to bring forth the very thing you were sent to stop. With a lot of awesome little sub-stories within it.

And, yes, Golden Sun has uniqueness. For one thing, the ability to use magic on the overworld to affect the environment. For another, the trade-off of Djinn unleashes. Other RPGs have tried a trade off system like that (Final Fantasy VIII springs to mind), but none have done it successfully. Using Djinn strikes are very powerful, but they leave your character weakened, and they reduce the amount of Psynergy you have at your command. That trade-off gameplay is extremely unique among RPGs.


Also, I'm warning you now, stop posting in here. It is against the rules to come in and bash on characters or mock the fanbase, and if you continue to do so, I am going to start warning your posts.
 

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A few things to note:
1. The amount of requests helps Isaac minimally (unless he's a clone, which I doubt).
2. Being one of the RPGs for the GBA is honestly nothing special and doesn't benefit his, and I think I recall thee original GS being special for it's unique 3D perspective in battle as being one of the special elements of GS, nothing special gameplay-wise.
3. I actually really don't know much of the plot of GS, could you explain it to me, and was Djinn and elemntal powers (Something recurring in RPGs) unique in gameplay?
I can answer the third point:
Nintendo seriously lacks turn-based JRPGs (not SRPG, like Fire Emblem) post-snes era, and while the equipment of dijinns and summoning are elements used in a lot of games in the genre at their own ways (even though they have their own unique shift in GS), close to none of them are first (or second, whatever) party/exclusive to Nintendo AND relatively popular worldwide, which leads to Isaac being basically the only viable character with said characteristics to have a slot in the roster.
 
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A few things to note:
1. The amount of requests helps Isaac minimally (unless he's a clone, which I doubt).
2. Being one of the RPGs for the GBA is honestly nothing special and doesn't benefit his, and I think I recall thee original GS being special for it's unique 3D perspective in battle as being one of the special elements of GS, nothing special gameplay-wise.
3. I actually really don't know much of the plot of GS, could you explain it to me, and was Djinn and elemntal powers (Something recurring in RPGs) unique in gameplay?
Actually I meant an RPG actually published by Nintendo and the IP owned by Nintendo itself. True there were many RPGs on GBA but Golden Sun was by Nintendo!

And the request don't help that less, Little Mac is probably in due to demand and popularity.

Well the beginning plot is along the tropes of many JRPGs that the protagonist must leave his isolated home and go save the world and everything but the way game executes it is wonderful. And the way the story then develops is pretty different. Has some twists and turns but not too many. Although some are just surprising to be honest and the game has a really good story. Plus the role reversal in the 2nd game controlling the previous game's antagonists and the eventual reunion adds more to the story. Have you not played Golden Sun or forgotten all about it?

The Djinn kind of like Pokemon added more variety to the game. Basically they are the ones who boost your class, not level ups. So no matter how much you level up, your caps won't change much. But more Djinn will boost that class, upgrading your attack, hp, speed, everything. Technically if you don't collect Djinn, you would have a tough time beating the game. Plus each Djinn has a unique ability. You can use it during battle, such as hitting for high elemental damage, healing the party, boosting some stats, etc. Then the Djinni is standby, you lose your buffed levels and classes but the fun starts. You can now summon the Djinni to deal very high amounts of elemental damage which in turn also boosts your elemental power. Subsequent summons or spells of that summon will be strengthened. The more Djinni you summon, the more powerful the summon is with you summoning huge gods and deities by the end. And after the summon, the Djinn go into recovery mode. That is that the Djinn can't be used, neither does he provide any stat bonuses till s/he recovers. I haven't played anything else like it!

Plus the mixing of Djinn to get dual elemental and tri elemental classes is awesome!

I have played tons of RPGs myself and have yet to find something Golden Sun-ish so according to me its a fairly unique game. Combat is turn based, which Nintendo lacks, like Final Fantasy but not real time. Plus the view is of the protagonists from the back during battle unlike the side view of FF. And using psynergy out of combat to solve puzzles in dungeons as well towns is very different. None of the Final Fantasy or any other RPG have puzzles like that, just dungeons.

It was pretty unique according to me. I think many other people would agree on that.

P.S. I just saw the posts above that other people agreed with me and this is probably unnecessary but now I have typed all of this so posting reply! :p
 

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Just like requests didn't help Little Mac.



There are very, very few Nintendo created GBA RPGs.

And it's not our fault you can't remember any of the clear and vastly different elements of Golden Sun's gameplay.



Four elemental macguffins were stolen, and were going to be used to unleash Alchemy on the world. Your party is sent to get them back. Along the way, over the course of the games, however, you realize that Alchemy needs to be unleashed, so your struggle takes a turn where you try to bring forth the very thing you were sent to stop. With a lot of awesome little sub-stories within it.

And, yes, Golden Sun has uniqueness. For one thing, the ability to use magic on the overworld to affect the environment. For another, the trade-off of Djinn unleashes. Other RPGs have tried a trade off system like that (Final Fantasy VIII springs to mind), but none have done it successfully. Using Djinn strikes are very powerful, but they leave your character weakened, and they reduce the amount of Psynergy you have at your command. That trade-off gameplay is extremely unique among RPGs.


Also, I'm warning you now, stop posting in here. It is against the rules to come in and bash on characters or mock the fanbase, and if you continue to do so, I am going to start warning your posts.
1. Little Mac's amount of requests was pretty minimal to newcomer decisions, like I said before.
2. It still doesn't make Golden Sun stand-out IMO.
3. I'm not sure if the Djinn trade-off system is notable about Golden Sun, but I completely forgot about the unique environment mechanic. @-@

I'm not really flaming here. I'm here to continue what Young Horsetail has said about Golden Sun and how it's probably not going to get a playable representative in Smash. I'm not mocking nor bashing either, you don't see me saying "In your faces Isaac fans! GS will never get a playable character!", I'm just talking about Golden Sun as a franchise overall.

Actually I meant an RPG actually published by Nintendo and the IP owned by Nintendo itself. True there were many RPGs on GBA but Golden Sun was by Nintendo!

And the request don't help that less, Little Mac is probably in due to demand and popularity.


Well the beginning plot is along the tropes of many JRPGs that the protagonist must leave his isolated home and go save the world and everything but the way game executes it is wonderful. And the way the story then develops is pretty different. Has some twists and turns but not too many. Although some are just surprising to be honest and the game has a really good story. Plus the role reversal in the 2nd game controlling the previous game's antagonists and the eventual reunion adds more to the story. Have you not played Golden Sun or forgotten all about it?

The Djinn kind of like Pokemon added more variety to the game. Basically they are the ones who boost your class, not level ups. So no matter how much you level up, your caps won't change much. But more Djinn will boost that class, upgrading your attack, hp, speed, everything. Technically if you don't collect Djinn, you would have a tough time beating the game. Plus each Djinn has a unique ability. You can use it during battle, such as hitting for high elemental damage, healing the party, boosting some stats, etc. Then the Djinni is standby, you lose your buffed levels and classes but the fun starts. You can now summon the Djinni to deal very high amounts of elemental damage which in turn also boosts your elemental power. Subsequent summons or spells of that summon will be strengthened. The more Djinni you summon, the more powerful the summon is with you summoning huge gods and deities by the end. And after the summon, the Djinn go into recovery mode. That is that the Djinn can't be used, neither does he provide any stat bonuses till s/he recovers. I haven't played anything else like it!

Plus the mixing of Djinn to get dual elemental and tri elemental classes is awesome!

I have played tons of RPGs myself and have yet to find something Golden Sun-ish so according to me its a fairly unique game. Combat is turn based, which Nintendo lacks, like Final Fantasy but not real time. Plus the view is of the protagonists from the back during battle unlike the side view of FF. And using psynergy out of combat to solve puzzles in dungeons as well towns is very different. None of the Final Fantasy or any other RPG have puzzles like that, just dungeons.

It was pretty unique according to me. I think many other people would agree on that.

P.S. I just saw the posts above that other people agreed with me and this is probably unnecessary but now I have typed all of this so posting reply! :p
To quote the bolded, there was also his unique boxing styled moveset too and the good revival of the franchise that made Sakurai add him as playable.
 
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I don't think it needs to have nothing REALLY special that stands out over the rest forever and ever to deserve a spot in smash, it's more about iconiqueness imo. And Isaac DOES represent an era.

An era widely ignored by Sakurai, of course.
 
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1. Little Mac's amount of requests was pretty minimal to newcomer decisions, like I said before.
2. It still doesn't make Golden Sun stand-out IMO.
3. I'm not sure if the Djinn trade-off system is notable about Golden Sun, but I completely forgot about the unique environment mechanic. @-@

I'm not really flaming here. I'm here to continue what Young Horsetail has said about Golden Sun and how it's probably not going to get a playable representative in Smash. I'm not mocking nor bashing either, you don't see me saying "In your faces Isaac fans! GS will never get a playable character!", I'm just talking about Golden Sun as a franchise overall.
If you really don't want to believe, why don't you just play the game again? That should jog your memory quite a bit!

You are not flaming but you are basically just denying everything good about Golden Sun.

To quote the bolded, there was also his unique boxing styled moveset too and the good revival of the franchise that made Sakurai add him as playable.
Isaac's combat is really unique since he is different from anything else Nintendo has. Stop comparing it to other 3rd party JRPGs which have ABSOLUTELY no chance of appearance in Smash. The use of psynergy, djinn, summons, weapon unleashes, everything, is completely unique and different from anything else in Nintendo's franchises.

Continuous denial again.

Heck if there was anything similar to Golden Sun I probably wouldn't be on these forums right now! I would be playing that game! I want another game in Golden Sun because it is so DIFFERENT!

Obviously I would be supporting Isaac as well though!
 
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I will support Isaac to the bitter end. Until we get an official deconfirmation of Isaac I will not stop supporting him.
 

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I will support Isaac to the bitter end. Until we get an official deconfirmation of Isaac I will not stop supporting him.
Hey you forgot the sweet end! If Isaac gets in the game, we will support him till the sweet end :p

Don't just think about deconfirmation, think about confirmation!
 

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Hey you forgot the sweet end! If Isaac gets in the game, we will support him till the sweet end :p

Don't just think about deconfirmation, think about confirmation!
Of course. I think of his confirmation, but am stating that until we get Official word from Sakurai about Isaac, that I will continue to support him.
 

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If you really don't want to believe, why don't you just play the game again? That should jog your memory quite a bit!

You are not flaming but you are basically just denying everything good about Golden Sun.



Isaac's combat is really unique since he is different from anything else Nintendo has. Stop comparing it to other 3rd party JRPGs which have ABSOLUTELY no chance of appearance in Smash. The use of psynergy, djinn, summons, weapon unleashes, everything, is completely unique and different from anything else in Nintendo's franchises.

Continuous denial again.

Heck if there was anything similar to Golden Sun I probably wouldn't be on these forums right now! I would be playing that game! I want another game in Golden Sun because it is so DIFFERENT!

Obviously I would be supporting Isaac as well though!
I admire your optimism for Isaac, I'm not denying everything good about it, but elements like the types of attacks in GS, summons, weapon unleashing has been done before in many RPGs. Why can't you compare it to other non-Nintendo RPGs at all? Isn't that like the basic criticisms of videogames, I don't think GS is standout unique on it's own.
 

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I admire your optimism for Isaac, I'm not denying everything good about it, but elements like the types of attacks in GS, summons, weapon unleashing has been done before in many RPGs. Why can't you compare it to other non-Nintendo RPGs at all? Isn't that like the basic criticisms of videogames, I don't think GS is standout unique on it's own.
Using Djinn to increase your stats (and using said Djinn would temporarily decrease your stats) and using Spells and abilities to progress through the world is unique. No other RPG did that at its time.
 

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I admire your optimism for Isaac, I'm not denying everything good about it, but elements like the types of attacks in GS, summons, weapon unleashing has been done before in many RPGs. Why can't you compare it to other non-Nintendo RPGs at all? Isn't that like the basic criticisms of videogames, I don't think GS is standout unique on it's own.
But isn't Smash Bros. meant to represent Nintendo franchises? And among all the Nintendo franchises, Golden Sun may not be that popular but it definitely stands out, in a positive way. It is a Nintendo franchise through and through! Golden Sun is by Nintendo, for Nintendo and of Nintendo!

I don't deny that Golden Sun is not similar to other RPGs. Other RPGs may have summons, may have weapon unleashes, may have puzzles, may have djinn as well, almost all have magic of different elements but NONE have 'em all like the way Golden Sun does. It is the way that Camelot was able to combine best aspects of numerous turn based RPGs and give us one single RPG. The way you interact with NPCs, read their minds, solve puzzles and use psynergy and Djinn, stands out the way it is used in Golden Sun. In the 2nd game you even get the blacksmith mechanic! Plus few games have powers affecting the overworld or even cities the way Golden Sun does!

Using Djinn to increase your stats (and using said Djinn would temporarily decrease your stats) and using Spells and abilities to progress through the world is unique. No other RPG did that at its time.
And that!

All of it might have been done before but Golden Sun manages to twist that in its own world and make the game really really enjoyable and a very unique experience. The way the storyline unfolds might not be the best but the story is still good. The combat might have different elements of various games but it is still amazing!

The game is really memorable and really addicting. And I haven't played anything else like it, except its sequels of course! That is why it still stands out. Put all the RPGs in a line and I would pick Golden Sun every time! Unless I just finished a playthrough and want to try something new that is, but I still keep coming back to the world of Weyard.

I am really rooting for Isaac so I really want him in the game! And if Nintendo believes what I just said then his inclusion is guaranteed. But then Nintendo hasn't always been the best decision maker but I still think there's hope!
 
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