Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[Skyblade12]

Hmm, I had not thought of that. Making it a shield dodge roll would probably be a better way to represent the move.

I just thought it might be an interesting move, even though only Felix knows it in the games. But frankly, this would not have been the first time a character in Smash has been given a move that he/she never used in their respective game.

Agreed, Dodge Roll Sand would be awesome.

Also, it fits in perfectly with making Psynergy a core part of his moveset, instead of purely physical abilities.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Chincurtain clothes-swap

 

[LasermasterA]

Agreed, Dodge Roll Sand would be awesome.

Also, it fits in perfectly with making Psynergy a core part of his moveset, instead of purely physical abilities.

Oh well that is why I had meant although I am not that comfortable with using smash terms yet. Yea I always envisioned Isaac doing a Sand shield roll. Someone tries to whack him, turn to sand get behind him. Awesome as well as totally Golden Sun at the same time :D

Hmm, I had not thought of that. Making it a shield dodge roll would probably be a better way to represent the move.

I just thought it might be an interesting move, even though only Felix knows it in the games. But frankly, this would not have been the first time a character in Smash has been given a move that he/she never used in their respective game.

Recent most example, Robin having Nosferatu as his down special.

Chincurtain clothes-swap

Whatz?! Isaac new leader of Team Plasma haha!

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chincurtain clothes-swap

Remember, source back to the original artist, pls. This artist is my friend...

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Remember, source back to the original artist, pls. This artist is my friend...

You just have to click on the picture...

Edit: Although thank you for pointing out that's not obvious, I'll include links above and below any future Pictures I'd like to show off in addition to the Link on the Picture itself

 

[Da Black Rabbit]

At this point in my life I don't care who it is: Felix, Issac, or Matthew... if we don't get a Golden Sun rep playable a feel I am going to die a little inside.

That being said, I support this thread and I really do think this is Golden Sun's chance!

 

[Aureola]

Um... This is kind of late, but I've been replaying the games, and would like to support Isaac.

Seriously, he's my most wanted newcomer now.

I bring fanart as a peace offering.

 

[LasermasterA]

Um... This is kind of late, but I've been replaying the games, and would like to support Isaac.

Seriously, he's my most wanted newcomer now.

I bring fanart as a peace offering.

It is not yet too late to support Isaac for Smash Bros. We like your peace offering :D

Here is a return offering

Group picture! They are probably excited to soon get Isaac as a representative in Smash.

 

[Malkior7]

Discussion has kind of tamed down hasn't it?

Still glad to see more people coming forth and supporting Isaac for Smash 4!

To people reading this thread, who haven't played GS, I wholeheartedly recommend it!
(Forgive me for the spoilers! Don't read 'em!)

And other GS supporters and Isaac supporters for Smash who haven't posted, don't just lurk around, take part in the discussion!

Pretty much everyone except Ridley's thread hasn't been real active

 

[Skyblade12]

Nothing from Golden Sun yet. No music. No trophies. No enemies. No bosses. No awesome Adept characters.

Why don't you like Golden Sun, Sakurai?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Nothing from Golden Sun yet. No music. No trophies. No enemies. No bosses. No awesome Adept characters.

Why don't you like Golden Sun, Sakurai?

Sakurai is playing it very safe when it comes to revealing things. It is not known what he plans to do with the Golden Sun Series Franchise, but one thing is for sure: We are getting some Golden Sun Music.

Hopefully we get an Assist Trophy that is not Isaac, get Isaac playable, get some Golden Sun Smash Run enemies and a Golden Sun stage.

That is all we can hope for this moment.

 

[Malkior7]

Sakurai is playing it very safe when it comes to revealing things. It is not known what he plans to do with the Golden Sun Series Franchise, but one thing is for sure: We are getting some Golden Sun Music.

Hopefully we get an Assist Trophy that is not Isaac, get Isaac playable, get some Golden Sun Smash Run enemies and a Golden Sun stage.

That is all we can hope for this moment.

Now that I think about it haven't we only seen like one area of smashrun?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Now that I think about it haven't we only seen like one area of smashrun?

We have not seen it all, that is for sure.

 

[Malkior7]

I'd like to think the Dijnn would make good Smash Run enemies

 

[Skyblade12]

I'd like to think the Dijnn would make good Smash Run enemies

Cute, powerful little foes that give you huge stat boosts when you beat them?

Yeah, sounds good for Smash Run.

 

[LasermasterA]

Sakurai is playing it very safe when it comes to revealing things. It is not known what he plans to do with the Golden Sun Series Franchise, but one thing is for sure: We are getting some Golden Sun Music.

Hopefully we get an Assist Trophy that is not Isaac, get Isaac playable, get some Golden Sun Smash Run enemies and a Golden Sun stage.

That is all we can hope for this moment.

Yea it is just TOO weird that absolutely nothing has been announced so far. Either Nintendo is clueless about Golden Sun or they have great plans for its reveal. I sincerely hope its the latter. It would be a legendary day, for me atleast, when Isaac is announced in a truly epic fashion for Smash 4.

Once the reveal is out of the way, they can announce enemies, other trophies, items, djinn! etc.

 

[Altais]

Cute, powerful little foes that give you huge stat boosts when you beat them?

Yeah, sounds good for Smash Run.

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[EDIT] Oh, and just like in the Golden Sun games, instead of fighting you head on, the Djinn could run away from you when they spot you, and only attack you when they're cornered. Thus, the best way to beat them would be to sneak up on them.

 

[Skyblade12]

Yea it is just TOO weird that absolutely nothing has been announced so far. Either Nintendo is clueless about Golden Sun or they have great plans for its reveal. I sincerely hope its the latter. It would be a legendary day, for me atleast, when Isaac is announced in a truly epic fashion for Smash 4.

Once the reveal is out of the way, they can announce enemies, other trophies, items, djinn! etc.

That's what I'm afraid of, though. There's been nothing. So they could just slap out Isaac as an AT, and there's the only bit of Golden Sun representation we'll see. With the games that are involved, we get more and more stuff the longer its out. With only one thing to confirm, it could come at any time, and the less time we have for other stuff, the less hope I have for a character.

 

[LasermasterA]

That's what I'm afraid of, though. There's been nothing. So they could just slap out Isaac as an AT, and there's the only bit of Golden Sun representation we'll see. With the games that are involved, we get more and more stuff the longer its out. With only one thing to confirm, it could come at any time, and the less time we have for other stuff, the less hope I have for a character.

Don't worry about a thing!

Cause every little thing gonna be alright. :D

Ok back to topic, I still think that Sakurai must have something planned for Isaac. Considering the fact that many thought him to be the strongest Assist Trophy, Sakurai must have paid atleast SOME attention to him, increasing his likelihood as a playable character! Plus his fans have been vocal throughout the internet, just not as much as some other wanted characters. And his series' greatness on the GBA can't be denied, increasing his chances even more!

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Totally agree! Great thinking :D Plus it would be cool to have some summon mechanics for Isaac so he could do atleast 2-3 summons.

Although that would require effort in his character and right now the priority is his inclusion, not how diverse his final smash is or how many summons he has.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

That's what I'm afraid of, though. There's been nothing. So they could just slap out Isaac as an AT, and there's the only bit of Golden Sun representation we'll see. With the games that are involved, we get more and more stuff the longer its out. With only one thing to confirm, it could come at any time, and the less time we have for other stuff, the less hope I have for a character.

You're assuming Isaac isn't a secret character in that case. If he's a secret unlockable it's completely plausible that we'll see absolutely no Golden Sun content until release.

 

[LasermasterA]

You're assuming Isaac isn't a secret character in that case. If he's a secret unlockable it's completely plausible that we'll see absolutely no Golden Sun content until release.

Him being secretly unlock-able is a completely plausible scenario which can explain the complete silence regarding Golden Sun. Well that is fine but I want an epic reveal trailer for him!

 

[Arteen]

I'm a bit worried that this will turn out like Brawl, where the remaining unannounced characters all ended up being relatively underwhelming (e.g. Wolf, Lucario, ROB).

 

[True Blue Warrior]

More supporters. Good.

Chincurtain clothes-swap

Pretty cool.

 

[LasermasterA]

I'm a bit worried that this will turn out like Brawl, where the remaining unannounced characters all ended up being relatively underwhelming (e.g. Wolf, Lucario, ROB).

That is exactly why I want an epic reveal! Isaac brings the quakes, Isaac shakes it up, Isaac is summoned, whatever, but with an epic reveal like the recent most Robin and Lucina trailer. Plus a reveal like that gives the series a much bigger exposure than being simply revealed as a hidden character. Some people even don't play the game enough to unlock secret characters, but characters announced through trailer would be known to all to exist in the game!

I want something as legendary as this epic moment in Golden Sun. Saturos challenging Isaac... and party. Now that would be a true "Sunrise" :

Epic art! Just don't know who made it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh well that is why I had meant although I am not that comfortable with using smash terms yet. Yea I always envisioned Isaac doing a Sand shield roll. Someone tries to whack him, turn to sand get behind him. Awesome as well as totally Golden Sun at the same time :D

I really like this idea!

 

[Raetah]

Im going to post eventually my Mono-Earth Isaac idea as soon as possible if i get the graphics to do so...

This that im going to post today is probably the best fan-project of Golden Sun ever made, That you should really watch if you did not, Golden Sun The Abridged Series:

This is the first chapter of a series of nine chapters that make fun of Golden Sun argument flaws, RPG cliches and other stupidities.
I have to say that the quality between the first chapters (1-3) and the rest of chapters 4 and beyond improves considerably. The last two episodes are in other channel. I hope you enjoy this, bye.

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm a bit worried that this will turn out like Brawl, where the remaining unannounced characters all ended up being relatively underwhelming (e.g. Wolf, Lucario, ROB).

I only found Wolf underwhelming, as he was just a clone. Lucario, for some surface similarity to Mewtwo, played very different, and had a lot of thought put into his Aura mechanic (and he got the awesome showdown with Meta Knight in SSE). ROB, while definitely not my favorite character, did have a fairly fun moveset, and at least had care, thought, and love poured into him. I'd be happy with that sort of love for Isaac.

I don't see why he can't be a secret character and have a trailer. We know Sakurai hates things being spoiled by the internet. So after the Japanese release but before the Western release, he can post video trailers for all the hidden newcomers, so that he can show them off himself instead of having the entire roster spoiled by the internet.

 

[GM_3826]

Im going to post eventually my Mono-Earth Isaac idea as soon as possible if i get the graphics to do so...

This that im going to post today is probably the best fan-project of Golden Sun ever made, That you should really watch if you did not, Golden Sun The Abridged Series:

This is the first chapter of a series of nine chapters that make fun of Golden Sun argument flaws, RPG cliches and other stupidities.
I have to say that the quality between the first chapters (1-3) and the rest of chapters 4 and beyond improves considerably. The last two episodes are in other channel. I hope you enjoy this, bye.

So, Magmabear?
His new username is KisukeOboro.
And he's made two new episodes.

 

[N3ON]

I'm a bit worried that this will turn out like Brawl, where the remaining unannounced characters all ended up being relatively underwhelming (e.g. Wolf, Lucario, ROB).

Past Shulk and Chorus Men, I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining newcomers were all partial clones, or at least primarily partial clones.

In any case, how... whelming you find a character is kind of in the eye of the beholder. I know many people were very hyped about Lucario last time.

 

[Skyblade12]

Past Shulk and Chorus Men, I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining newcomers were all partial clones, or at least primarily partial clones.

In any case, how... whelming you find a character is kind of in the eye of the beholder. I know many people were very hyped about Lucario last time.

People still believe the Gematsu leak?


I'm actually expecting any newcomers revealed this month to be fairly unique. I'm not expecting any from new IPs, though. Nintendo is just running too short on time to highlight other things about the franchises they would represent. I think any newcomers will be from IPs already highlighted and reviewed by other information.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, Gematsu wasn't false, it was outdated. I see little reason not to expect Shulk and a RH character.

I'm actually expecting any newcomers revealed this month to be fairly unique. I'm not expecting any from new IPs, though. Nintendo is just running too short on time to highlight other things about the franchises they would represent. I think any newcomers will be from IPs already highlighted and reviewed by other information.

All it takes is one trailer, and they have time for that.

 

[Skyblade12]

Yeah, Gematsu wasn't false, it was outdated. I see little reason not to expect Shulk and a RH character.

What evidence do you have for this "outdated" claim?

If the roster was "outdated" (and thus, dating to before the game's development), why would it come in two separate leaks? In fact, wouldn't the older and more "outdated" one be more likely to come out first?

Who is responsible for this leak, since we know that, even in-house, the roster was kept behind closed doors?

If an outdated roster (again, dating back before development started) was leaked, why would it have waited so long to get out to us at all? If someone was going to leak it, wouldn't they have done so a couple years ago?

If they have an outdated roster list that they're pulling from, why did the first leak sync up so well with the current announcement schedule?

It's not "outdated". The first one was based around an in-house build for the characters commonly known around the company at the time. The second leak was just made up (as though "Gen 6 Pokémon" didn't give that away).

All it takes is one trailer, and they have time for that.

One trailer to reveal the character, yes. But then you have to reveal stages, enemies, items, Assist Trophies, etcetera. All of these extra things that characters in-game have. Nintendo is running out of time to reveal those if they reveal a character tied to a new IP.

 

[N3ON]

What evidence do you have for this "outdated" claim?

The fact that so far he was correct with every character bar one (excluding clones), who was said to be considered by Sakurai at one point before replaced by Robin. Also, there was a placeholder spot for a Pokemon from X/Y, which Sakurai later confirmed existed prior to his choosing of Greninja.

If the roster was "outdated" (and thus, dating to before the game's development), why would it come in two separate leaks? In fact, wouldn't the older and more "outdated" one be more likely to come out first?

Brawl's roster leaked incrementally too, but there were valid leaks. I can't tell you anything about why things happened when, but the information included is more important than the timeframe of its leaking.

Plus, the first leak was only to leak the characters at E3 2013, not every character, though they ended up being partially incorrect about that.

Who is responsible for this leak, since we know that, even in-house, the roster was kept behind closed doors?

If we knew this, Nintendo would know this, and they'd be in a world of trouble. Just because it's kept behind closed doors doesn't mean it's impervious to leaking. Like I said, Brawl leaked too, and that was just as guarded.

If an outdated roster (again, dating back before development started) was leaked, why would it have waited so long to get out to us at all? If someone was going to leak it, wouldn't they have done so a couple years ago?

Maybe the leaker only came into possession of the information recently even if it's not current information. For all we know, Sal's source isn't even the original leaker.

If they have an outdated roster list that they're pulling from, why did the first leak sync up so well with the current announcement schedule?

The leak that said we'd get six characters at E3 2013? That didn't sync up with the schedule at all. I mean we didn't get two of those characters until a whole year later.

It's not "outdated". The first one was based around an in-house build for the characters commonly known around the company at the time. The second leak was just made up (as though "Gen 6 Pokémon" didn't give that away).

That's quite a lot of assuming considering how much evidence you have for those claims. If anything, the X/Y slot corroborates with the info from development, where the character from X/Y wasn't chosen until later, like I said above.

In any case, I'm not going to debate the validity of the Gematsu leak here anymore, this isn't the place for it.

One trailer to reveal the character, yes. But then you have to reveal stages, enemies, items, Assist Trophies, etcetera. All of these extra things that characters in-game have. Nintendo is running out of time to reveal those if they reveal a character tied to a new IP.

Those parts don't have to be revealed pre-release, the character is what's most important. How many enemies, items, ATs, etc. have been revealed from Punch-Out, and that series was revealed months ago? As far as stages go, they can be revealed in the same trailer, like Greninja or Pac-Man's. In fact it's probably pretty likely they would be if it's a new IP.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Ugh, are people still discussing the Gematsu leak, especially here, of all places? It doesn't matter, considering that as that leak managed to get a major thing wrong, nothing else should be taken as granted due to the leak itself. For all we know, the Chorus Men could easily have been left off due to the limitations of the 3DS or something.

 

[LasermasterA]

What evidence do you have for this "outdated" claim?

If the roster was "outdated" (and thus, dating to before the game's development), why would it come in two separate leaks? In fact, wouldn't the older and more "outdated" one be more likely to come out first?

Who is responsible for this leak, since we know that, even in-house, the roster was kept behind closed doors?

If an outdated roster (again, dating back before development started) was leaked, why would it have waited so long to get out to us at all? If someone was going to leak it, wouldn't they have done so a couple years ago?

If they have an outdated roster list that they're pulling from, why did the first leak sync up so well with the current announcement schedule?

It's not "outdated". The first one was based around an in-house build for the characters commonly known around the company at the time. The second leak was just made up (as though "Gen 6 Pokémon" didn't give that away).



One trailer to reveal the character, yes. But then you have to reveal stages, enemies, items, Assist Trophies, etcetera. All of these extra things that characters in-game have. Nintendo is running out of time to reveal those if they reveal a character tied to a new IP.

To be honest, I really don't care about the Gematsu leak and to me it just seems like a bunch of lucky guesses perhaps combined with a small leak here and there. Kid Icarus Uprising with its greater Palutena role along with Sakurai as head of Smash 4 kind of guaranteed her inclusion, plus Mii fighters were kind of expected due to there huge Miiverse ecosystem and everything, and I would have guessed Chrom mainly due to his main role in Awakening (which the leak got wrong).

Well it did get some unexpected parts right but missed some parts (Rosalina) and completely screwed up in Chrom's release so once reliable, I doubt we can trust it anymore since Sakurai is now messing with our heads. Well no place to debate the leak like N30N said.

Ugh, are people still discussing the Gematsu leak, especially here, of all places? It doesn't matter, considering that as that leak managed to get a major thing wrong, nothing else should be taken as granted due to the leak itself. For all we know, the Chorus Men could easily have been left off due to the limitations of the 3DS or something.

Yea! That!

For me an inclusion of Isaac is enough! Plus Isaac should never be one of those clone not even a partial one cause that would be totally and completely wrong! But everyone probably already agrees with me on that.

The complete silence is unnerving and I just hope its the "Darkness" before the "Sunrise".

 

[Raetah]

*PLOT TWIST INTENSIFIES*

Thats what we are going to see in Smash 4 roster soon, trust me.

 

[Skyblade12]

Plus, the first leak was only to leak the characters at E3 2013, not every character, though they ended up being partially incorrect about that.

And partially incorrect about everything since as well.

If we knew this, Nintendo would know this, and they'd be in a world of trouble. Just because it's kept behind closed doors doesn't mean it's impervious to leaking. Like I said, Brawl leaked too, and that was just as guarded.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo does know who leaked it. I'm also pretty sure that person doesn't work there anymore. They take this sort of thing very seriously. Just like they have development teams and legal teams, they actually have a team dedicated to tracking down stuff that is leaked that isn't supposed to be.

Maybe the leaker only came into possession of the information recently even if it's not current information. For all we know, Sal's source isn't even the original leaker.

Again, the full roster is only known by very high-ups among the company. So one of these guys decided to risk his job leaking it to one person, knowing that person could be trusted, who then leaks it someone else, then someone else..? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

The leak that said we'd get six characters at E3 2013? That didn't sync up with the schedule at all. I mean we didn't get two of those characters until a whole year later.

Yet we didn't get any non-leaked characters until after all the leaked ones were out. Matching the currently scheduled list of announcements, and, thus, the current roster in the hands of the majority of the devs.

That's quite a lot of assuming considering how much evidence you have for those claims. If anything, the X/Y slot corroborates with the info from development, where the character from X/Y wasn't chosen until later, like I said above.

It's quite a lot of assumptions on your end as well, especially if you have any idea just how seriously Nintendo takes their NDAs.

In any case, I'm not going to debate the validity of the Gematsu leak here anymore, this isn't the place for it.

Fine with me. We'll see in a month anyway.

Those parts don't have to be revealed pre-release, the character is what's most important. How many enemies, items, ATs, etc. have been revealed from Punch-Out, and that series was revealed months ago? As far as stages go, they can be revealed in the same trailer, like Greninja or Pac-Man's. In fact it's probably pretty likely they would be if it's a new IP.

Greninja is a character from a pre-existing IP, so a lot of his stuff is just "Pokémon reveals", not "Greninja reveals". And we have gotten a lot of extra Namco/Pac-Man stuff since. That's my point.

If we have a character from a pre-existing IP, then all their stuff can already be revealed, since anything tied to the IP can be tied to the character.

If we have a character from a new IP, we will have a lot of stuff associated with them that we haven't seen yet.


Ridley is more likely because there's already a ton of Metroid stuff. DK is more likely because there's already a ton of Donkey Kong stuff. Heck, even Paper Mario is more likely because of all the Mario stuff.

Shulk or Isaac have nothing.

 

[Raetah]

Ridley is more likely because there's already a ton of Metroid stuff. DK is more likely because there's already a ton of Donkey Kong stuff. Heck, even Paper Mario is more likely because of all the Mario stuff.

No, things definitvely dont work like that.

 

[Skyblade12]

No, things definitvely dont work like that.

I dunno. It's just a feeling I have.

Although I suppose since a newcomer is likely during the upcoming Direct(s), they could show some of that stuff off then as well.

 

[SonicLink125]

So, I finally decided to join the discussion and wow, it makes me so happy that there are others who want Isaac as a playable character. So many great ideas here and SO much potential for Isaac. I truly hope he is in!
@ N3ON Sign me up in the support list!

Makes me wonder sometimes if some (or all) of these "leaks" that we get are given to us on purpose. Like Sakurai is using these to troll and hype us up for the game. He has done it before (not the leaks, the hype and trolling) with Brawl and I have to say, what I remember back during the time before Brawl came out is happening all over again now.