Is there nothing we can do for our fallen heroes?

[Fatmanonice]

Deja vu thread # 6,481. I remember people making threads like this after Brawl came out. At least DLC is in the cards this time around. Even without DLC, they probably have the biggest chance of coming back of any cut characters in the next installment anyways so the worst case scenario is that we'll be Ice Climber-less for about 6 years.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I have the most ingenious Idea to save Ice Climbers bring in SoPo for the 3DS make him single with an Nana alt it's perfect then the Wii U gets them both :'D It's the perfect plan.

 

[lightdasher]

Deja vu thread # 6,481. I remember people making threads like this after Brawl came out. At least DLC is in the cards this time around. Even without DLC, they probably have the biggest chance of coming back of any cut characters in the next installment anyways so the worst case scenario is that we'll be Ice Climber-less for about 6 years.

I think Wolf and Lucas have it hard coming back, what with Fox and Ness already have eaten eachother, not saying it's impossible as Wolf and Lucas could have Ness and Fox's alts as their custom moves too, but still.

I have the most ingenious Idea to save Ice Climbers bring in SoPo for the 3DS make him single with an Nana alt it's perfect then the Wii U gets them both :'D It's the perfect plan.

I do recall jokingly talking to my brother before I found out about ICs cut about what if Popo and Nana became their own slots and became clones of each other.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Nintendo's made it a policy not to listen to petitions, and Sakurai specifically is kind of a ****. It won't work, end of story.

I have the most ingenious Idea to save Ice Climbers bring in SoPo for the 3DS make him single with an Nana alt it's perfect then the Wii U gets them both :'D It's the perfect plan.

I actually made a thread about that before.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

There may be some hope. I found this on one of the threads. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd...._=1417936170_eae8acefcf92d7f54666c0dff9fea2a0

 

[Fatmanonice]

On the topic of the Ice Climbers, someone found something interesting with their trophy in Smash 3DS. Numerically, they're right after the last fighter but before the Pikmin and ALTS (like the Koopalings and Alph), giving further evidence that they were cut fairly late in development compared to everyone else.

http://pastebin.com/cGeFEmZC

 

[GunGunW]

There may be some hope. I found this on one of the threads. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd...._=1417936170_eae8acefcf92d7f54666c0dff9fea2a0

Those pictures are taken from their trophy models in the game.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Those pictures are taken from their trophy models in the game.

Couldn't their trophy modules be what would have been their playable artwork? I mean Lucas' trophy art could have originally been his official artwork.

 

[GunGunW]

Couldn't their trophy modules be what would have been their playable artwork? I mean Lucas' trophy art could have originally been his official artwork.

Yeah, though more so Lucas and Mewtwo since Wolf's is taken pretty much right from Star Fox: Assault. I would think they'd work on the model a little bit more if he was going to playable.

 

[Kevandre]

I really don't understand how Rosalina/Luma works but IC's don't. The IC's even have the same moveset as each other...

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Yeah, though more so Lucas and Mewtwo since Wolf's is taken pretty much right from Star Fox: Assault. I would think they'd work on the model a little bit more if he was going to playable.

Yeah I know. Even if the picture is faked Wolf could still be playable with his brawl look. If the pic is real I would gladly take Wolf with his less detailed assault look if it meant he'd be playable. His brawl look could also be an alternate costume, if the leak is true.

 

[Banjodorf]

I really don't understand how Rosalina/Luma works but IC's don't. The IC's even have the same moveset as each other...

Luma isn't a fully detailed exact copy of Rosalina on the screen, Luma also has very simplistic animations, while Nana can pick up extra items, wield them, function as an AI and all of that. 8 Ice Climbers on the screen that can do everything a normal character can was probably something that couldn't be played at 60fps on the 3DS, and Sakurai wanted all PCs to be able to move at 60fps so I can see that being a problem.

In fact, Rosie and Luma were probably a compromise for having to remove ICs.

 

[lightdasher]

There may be some hope. I found this on one of the threads. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd...._=1417936170_eae8acefcf92d7f54666c0dff9fea2a0

Looks like you could fit at least two more portraits on there. (one being Miis and the other being my babies Ice Climbers)

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Looks like you could fit at least two more portraits on there. (one being Miis and the other being my babies Ice Climbers)

That's probably how it was intended to be, then I think there were characters who were meant to be unlocked via Wii u transfer like maybe Ridley, but time restraints happened and these 3 veterans got pushed back, and technical limitations hindered the Ice Climbers, plus there's the matter of those two arrows that supposedly unlock a second page or a 10th row. The padlock theory hints at more characters too.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I think Wolf and Lucas have it hard coming back, what with Fox and Ness already have eaten eachother, not saying it's impossible as Wolf and Lucas could have Ness and Fox's alts as their custom moves too, but still.

I'm pretty sure the only move Fox took from Wolf was his side special for one of his custom moves. Plus Wolf has all original A moves, that and having the same move set as another character doesn't deconfirm you. ( Looks at Lucina, Dr. Mario,and Pit's dark palette swap.). Lucas from what I've heard has all his speacials as custom moves for Ness and a few of his a moves.

 

[Kevandre]

If you were to give Ness Lucas's A moves, I'd be set. I'm not particularly attached to the character himself but everything about his moveset is better than everything about Ness's IMO

 

[Xinc]

If you were to give Ness Lucas's A moves, I'd be set. I'm not particularly attached to the character himself but everything about his moveset is better than everything about Ness's IMO

Hope that Sakurai patches DLCs or provides a Lucas costume for Ness with his voice. For FE'ers like me, alter Ike's costume to an actual alt as Chrom, Roy over the Marth costumes and give them the right voices. It's not really asking for much. The grey outfit for Wolf. A Ganondorf OoT alt. And you'd better hope that Sakurai leaves the ICs in the Wii U version, giving them this exception

 

[Kevandre]

Hope that Sakurai patches DLCs or provides a Lucas costume for Ness with his voice. For FE'ers like me, alter Ike's costume to an actual alt as Chrom, Roy over the Marth costumes and give them the right voices. It's not really asking for much. The grey outfit for Wolf. A Ganondorf OoT alt. And you'd better hope that Sakurai leaves the ICs in the Wii U version, giving them this exception

Why would you prefer Chrom to be an Ike alt over a Lucina alt? That'd make a lot more sense since Lucina says she learned from her father in the game @ Ferox.

 

[Octillus]

I suspect keeping this level of discourse without it devolving into pettiness, and keep an enthusiastic attitude towards DLC- whenever it comes up.

I bought Mario Kart DLC, because I wanted the new tracks, but I also figured it may convince Nintendo that DLC is a viable option.

 

[Xinc]

Why would you prefer Chrom to be an Ike alt over a Lucina alt? That'd make a lot more sense since Lucina says she learned from her father in the game @ Ferox.

Well, it would be a bit awkward because a costume for Ike is based off Chrom's.

 

[MagnesD3]

No because life is cruel and evil, all good things must perish.

 

[J04KlM]

Let's face it, Sakurai is not going to care about anything we say here. He is cold and ruthless, and enjoys toying with the fanbase's emotions.

I've lost 5 of my mains throughout the series... unless they are DLC, i don't see them ever coming back. Once you're cut from Smash, you're out for good. This game proved this with Mewtwo. And don't tell me Dr. Mario says otherwise, he's a clone that took next to no effort. Any of these veterans, even Roy and Pichu, would have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And i don't see Sakurai ever doing that. They're dead to him.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Let's make a megazord of our fallen heroes. That's enough for them to save the world, Smash Rangers

 

[lightdasher]

Let's make a megazord of our fallen heroes. That's enough for them to save the world, Smash Rangers

This sounds like something I'd draw.

 

[Clint Jaguar]

Let's face it, Sakurai is not going to care about anything we say here. He is cold and ruthless, and enjoys toying with the fanbase's emotions.

I've lost 5 of my mains throughout the series... unless they are DLC, i don't see them ever coming back. Once you're cut from Smash, you're out for good. This game proved this with Mewtwo. And don't tell me Dr. Mario says otherwise, he's a clone that took next to no effort. Any of these veterans, even Roy and Pichu, would have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And i don't see Sakurai ever doing that. They're dead to him.

I could see the Ice Climbers returning in the next game. First off, aside from Mewtwo and Ice Climbers, those character you mentioned were clones of other characters, which is probably why they didn't return. Second, Ice Climbers have been in two games now. Whereas all other characters that were cut, only appeared in one game. Third and foremost, Ice Climbers are the ONLY representation of their game. With characters like MewTwo and Roy, we still have Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters. The Ice Climbers are a part of Nintendo history, just like Mr Game and Watch and Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[Terotrous]

You can wait 5 years for Smash 4 Plus to be created, or alternatively just play PM.

Other than that not much.

 

[Calibrate]

I hate Sakurai so much. I doubt he'll ever listen to us.

 

[MagnesD3]

I hate Sakurai so much. I doubt he'll ever listen to us.

I feel the same

 

[Rymi]

Let's face it, Sakurai is not going to care about anything we say here. He is cold and ruthless, and enjoys toying with the fanbase's emotions.

I've lost 5 of my mains throughout the series... unless they are DLC, i don't see them ever coming back. Once you're cut from Smash, you're out for good. This game proved this with Mewtwo. And don't tell me Dr. Mario says otherwise, he's a clone that took next to no effort. Any of these veterans, even Roy and Pichu, would have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

And i don't see Sakurai ever doing that. They're dead to him.

'cough' 'cough' dr mario cough be more fleshed out acually

 

[Wintropy]

I hate Sakurai so much. I doubt he'll ever listen to us.

You could try, though. Twiddling your thumbs and sighing because "Sakurai hates us everyfolks" isn't going to achieve anything.

You can lie down and accept defeat and you've lost right away. You can try all the same and keep fighting until you achieve what you want. The choice is yours. Nobody will force you either way.

 

[VKatana]

The backlash against Sakurai is immense this time around. With almost everyone/everything on Smashboards against him, it truly makes me wonder: If he's offered the position again, will he direct the next Smash Bros? Would he want to after what's been said? Would we want him back? I just don't know anymore, guys...

 

[lightdasher]

The backlash against Sakurai is immense this time around. With almost everyone/everything on Smashboards against him, it truly makes me wonder: If he's offered the position again, will he direct the next Smash Bros? Would he want to after what's been said? Would we want him back? I just don't know anymore, guys...

Thing is, it has to be focused in such a way we can show our love for these characters to Nintendo without seeming like whiny babies, we have power, but only together.

As I've said to Wintropy through pm, I'll be doing what I can through the means of art and whatever else I am capable of, I've been reading into what could be done, I was thinking of setting up a tumblr (the Tumblr would probably be where I throw most of my art) and facebook (information probably) page page for them, probably a twitter tag soon when I can think up on one and it's agreed upon, I just need to make sure some of these things haven't already done, and if they have I'd see if I could merge with.

 

[RetroBro]

I'll support any DLC characters, veterans, clones, or newcomers.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I think DLC is coming for these 3 in 2015 and here's why. I think its too much of a coincidence to cut these two after their games were joked about at E3 it's seems very un-Nintendo like too take the Pi*s out of their fans that badly. Guess who turns 30 next year Yep That's right good old ****** buddies :D Perfect time for DLC Plus the "New" 3ds will most likely be out by then :')

 

[Gnight]

Once you're cut from Smash, you're out for good. This game proved this with Mewtwo.

I don't think the absence of Mewtwo proves this. Am I the only one who can see that there was no love for Mewtwo in the first place??

 

[lightdasher]

The difference between Mewtwo (and maybe Roy and Pichu as well) and Ice Climbers (and to a less extent, Lucas) is that Pokemon and fire emblem already have a buckton of reps, where as Ice Climbers now have a fat zero (and Mother resting at one again) after sitting in 2 smash games and having their own music and stages, Ice Climbers rep Ice Climber, their series, as a whole, where as Mewtwo isn't really representing much compared to Pikachu and Jigglypuff.

 

[J04KlM]

I could see the Ice Climbers returning in the next game. First off, aside from Mewtwo and Ice Climbers, those character you mentioned were clones of other characters, which is probably why they didn't return. Second, Ice Climbers have been in two games now. Whereas all other characters that were cut, only appeared in one game. Third and foremost, Ice Climbers are the ONLY representation of their game. With characters like MewTwo and Roy, we still have Pokemon and Fire Emblem characters. The Ice Climbers are a part of Nintendo history, just like Mr Game and Watch and Duck Hunt Dog.

The Ice Climbers should return in the damn Wii U version, there is no excuse besides from Sakurai's delusional image that both versions need to have the same roster. There is no cross play between the two, so what is the point? All he's doing is letting the limitations of 3DS punish the Wii U for no justified reason.

Lucas was a semi-clone, his Standard Moveset was completely different from Ness. And Roy is a lot more distinguishable from Marth than Lucina is. The thing with the clones is Melee is that they would have the same animations and look the same visually, but they actually behaved very differently. Resulting in very different metagames. Roy was very different from Marth, and even Pichu was in a whole another league than Pikachu. They are much more unique additions than this.

Ugh, i get sick just looking at it.

The backlash against Sakurai is immense this time around. With almost everyone/everything on Smashboards against him, it truly makes me wonder: If he's offered the position again, will he direct the next Smash Bros? Would he want to after what's been said? Would we want him back? I just don't know anymore, guys...

I wanted to believe in Sakurai, he gave us words of faith. Only to later crush it with his feet, he had earned my trust and he shattered it to pieces. This statement from him left a scar in my heart.

After all this, i don't know if i ever want to invest in Sakurai's product. Ever again. (I'm buying Smash Wii U used)

I don't think the absence of Mewtwo proves this. Am I the only one who can see that there was no love for Mewtwo in the first place??

Mewtwo is by far one of the most requested characters, he's up there in the same league as Ridley. This nonsense is the real reason we didn't see Mewtwo come back. Which shouldn't even be an excuse, because he can easily just remake Mewtwo from scratch. When Project M clearly was able to do it, Sakurai can't?

I hate Sakurai so much. I doubt he'll ever listen to us.

Amen to that, brother.

 

[MasterBlu]

This is my take on this whole subject. Sakurai wants these games to be created equal. Unfortunately, the hardware dictates otherwise and no matter how hard his team tries, the 3DS is inferior in every way. Why not just call the 3DS version Smash Bros Lite so the Wii U can stand as its own game? His view does not make any sense. Riddle me this, If both games we to be created equal why am I paying 40$ and 60$ for the same roster of characters whilst neither version gets superior modes to the other to compensate? THAT is what is not fair to us, the consumers. Additionally, to solve the issue of the Ice Climbers, it could have just be the issue of the Ice Climber (see what I did?). SoPo w/ SoNa alt and a new UP+B could have been the Condor bird flying the Solo Ice Climber upward, and the Solo Climber could have just gotten slight mobility and power buffs (a small programming fix). It really is that easy of a fix, I promise. The development time on this would have been relatively small (only taking time to rework the UP+B) and from what I understand, the team had extra time on their hands according to Sakurai's various POTD posts. From both an Economic and Engineering standpoint, THEIR plan was not optimal from the start and was flawed at conception. Wake up people!

 

[KawaiiPiranha]

The only thing we can do for our fallen heroes is hope that the Project M guys start working on modding the Wii U version of Smash 4.
I'm not into tournament play at all, but I'd be all over a Project M2 if it added the cut characters back.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I don't understand the reasons for the roster being the same :/ and I swear if its for amiibo I will just quit.