Is there nothing we can do for our fallen heroes?

[lightdasher]

The only thing we can do for our fallen heroes is hope that the Project M guys start working on modding the Wii U version of Smash 4.
I'm not into tournament play at all, but I'd be all over a Project M2 if it added the cut characters back.

I would only want the characters, not the same flipping Melee physics again.

 

[KawaiiPiranha]

I would only want the characters, not the same flipping Melee physics again.

Agreed. From what I've played of the demo, I really like the way Smash 4 feels.
If they DO go on to add the characters back to Smash 4, I hope they add a way to leave the physics untouched.

 

[lightdasher]

Agreed. From what I've played of the demo, I really like the way Smash 4 feels.
If they DO go on to add the characters back to Smash 4, I hope they add a way to leave the physics untouched.

And maybe PAL support this time hrm~?

 

[strawhatninja]

Well I think Mewtwo will be on the Wii U version but DLC is our best bet.

 

[lightdasher]

Quoting myself here

Okay I'm in the process of setting up these websites (Tumblr, probably Facebook and twitter), I just need everyone to agree on a name and if we're focusing on just the Ice Climbers, all vets, or mostly Ice Climbers (Ice Climbers could be the mascots?).

Also a hashtag too, they both need to be snappy, nothing too long.

 

[KawaiiPiranha]

Quoting myself here

If you're trying to start something, I'd say focus on Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, Wolf, and Lucas.
Those seem to be the ones people miss the most.

 

[lightdasher]

If you're trying to start something, I'd say focus on Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, Wolf, and Lucas.
Those seem to be the ones people miss the most.

Of course.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well I think Mewtwo will be on the Wii U version but DLC is our best bet.

Him/her and 2 or 3 other in my mind on that

I mean sakurai never said anything on the roster on the 3ds being final.

To simply it the roater is both conclusive and inconclusive at the same time. (Is there patch release characters waiting when the wii u version comes out or DLC)

Oh and for mewtwo on that melee article sakurai could have simply started mewtwo from scrach again if was mean't for non-dlc but at this point we have to wait and see for patch release character or DLC if there is.

But for ridley hes has no role at all in the 3ds version not even collectable trophy (yes hes one of the 2 or 3)

And metal face neither and......well theres something you don't know about metal face (exluding those who played xenoblade) (now bare with me I'm sure metal face is just a boss)

Spoiler

At 2:22 metal face is a lie it was just a mech suit the whole time.

His real name is mumkhar .

Where I'm going with this, if metal face is not a boss

Couldn't it be possible that metal face suit is the final smash for mumkhar

 

[lightdasher]

Re-posting this in here.

I agree with this, Ice Climbers to me, (no offense to Wolf and Lucas fans), are the most deserving and are in a somewhat better position than Wolf and Lucas in the sense that Sakurai tried to add them.




A poll sounds good.

Okay, I threw some of mine in there too incase you like them.
http://www.strawpoll.me/2632151

 

[VKatana]

If a graphically on par Project M2 came out, I can't ever imagine a day in which I'd choose the actual Smash over it. Project M does alts so right.

 

[lightdasher]

If a graphically on par Project M2 came out, I can't ever imagine a day in which I'd choose the actual Smash over it. Project M does alts so right.

But I don't WANT a project M 2.

 

[VKatana]

But I don't WANT a project M 2.

I don't want to have to focus on something fan made versions either, frankly I'm very satisfied with the look of the final product so far and if that Reddit leak's map list is completely true then I'll be incredibly overjoyed. I just find that the game lacks in some areas, specifically alts, although I can't speak for the balance of the game's characters yet so I won't play that "I already know everything about the full game" card that some people seem to be fond of.

 

[MagnesD3]

I dont want Pm2 either I want this game to be complete dammit, all they need is dlc veterans and the top dlc newcomers and the fanbase can finally be happy.

 

[Wintropy]

The Ice Climbers should return in the damn Wii U version, there is no excuse besides from Sakurai's delusional image that both versions need to have the same roster. There is no cross play between the two, so what is the point? All he's doing is letting the limitations of 3DS punish the Wii U for no justified reason.

We don't know that for a fact, though. It's not likely, to be sure, but please be careful about speaking in absolutes before we have absolutely verified data to that end.

Also, as I've already said: fair is fair. It isn't nice or fun, but it's fair.

Lucas was a semi-clone, his Standard Moveset was completely different from Ness. And Roy is a lot more distinguishable from Marth than Lucina is. The thing with the clones is Melee is that they would have the same animations and look the same visually, but they actually behaved very differently. Resulting in very different metagames. Roy was very different from Marth, and even Pichu was in a whole another league than Pikachu. They are much more unique additions than this.

Ugh, i get sick just looking at it.

Roy isn't a very popular character outside of Smash, though. He's a great character, don't get me wrong, but his fanbase exists almost entirely within the Smash community. Fire Emblem fans don't care for him at all and, at least from my experience, most of them are much, much happier to see Lucina. I'm sorry, but it makes no sense whatsoever to bring him back based solely on the fact that he's a veteran. If you want to have another Marth clone, there are a myriad of other choices, including Leif, who was originally going to be Sakurai's choice, and possibly even Chrom, if you really, really want him in the game.

Basically, Roy was only chosen because he was intended to promote the new game, and his fighting style is almost entirely unique to Melee. He does wield the Blazing Sword in his own game, but he's generally regarded by fans as a poor Lord with uninspiring stat choices. Lucina is at least extremely important to her game and relevant to the series, as she bridges the gap between the classic games and the new games by masquerading as the Hero-King Marth whilst also bearing her own unique mannerisms and attributes that other characters, not least among them Marth, do not actually possess.

Lucina also plays entirely different to Marth in terms of playstyle. The lack of the tipper and the shorter character model makes an enormous difference and opens great amounts of potential for interested players.

I wanted to believe in Sakurai, he gave us words of faith. Only to later crush it with his feet, he had earned my trust and he shattered it to pieces. This statement from him left a scar in my heart.

After all this, i don't know if i ever want to invest in Sakurai's product. Ever again. (I'm buying Smash Wii U used)

I'm not going to begrudge you your opinions, of course, but if you're really that upset by the whole thing, I would advise you to step away from the games anyway - for your own sake, if nothing else. Take some time off and just relax. Sakurai isn't being deliberately malicious, and if you think he is, then I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to agree with you. He's just a guy doing his job as best he can - the fact that he can't please everybody and has taken on the responsibilities of series director all the same is something he's just had to accept, and I think we'd all sleep better at night and be more open-minded and civil about it if we did the same, too.

Mewtwo is by far one of the most requested characters, he's up there in the same league as Ridley. This nonsense is the real reason we didn't see Mewtwo come back. Which shouldn't even be an excuse, because he can easily just remake Mewtwo from scratch. When Project M clearly was able to do it, Sakurai can't?

I'm 99.9% sure he's bluffing to cover his tracks and throw people off of the scent. I really, really don't think he's done with Mewtwo yet.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

These guys should be back in a DLC pack Name: Brawl Vengance
DLC Pack 2:, Isaac and K rool. Name: Chaos ensues :')

DLC Pack 3: Definitely kept us waiting XD

 

[ChikoLad]

 

[JamesDNaux]

Our fallen (Brawl) heroes still have data in the game.

Including Snake.

Feel like excluding him now?



Along with strong indications of DLC, there is still hope.

 

[MagnesD3]

 

[lightdasher]

Our fallen (Brawl) heroes still have data in the game.

Including Snake.

Feel like excluding him now?



Along with strong indications of DLC, there is still hope.

What does being 3rd party have to do with it? Smash has 2 third party newcomers plus Sonic! What's the real reason Snake got excluded?

Pff I don't know, too gritty? Snakes image has exclusivity at the moment? I'm not up to date with Snake stuff, hence why I left him out at this point.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I will hope for a resurrection of temporary wii u exclusives/patch release character/dlc characters

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Can I just have a moment....sniff...... I kinda need it....... Sniff ....... :'( Guys please come back :'( please....

Guys...... I miss you ...... the games not even out and I miss you way more than I should......

 

[MagnesD3]

Can I just have a moment....sniff...... I kinda need it....... Sniff ....... :'( Guys please come back :'( please....

Guys...... I miss you ...... the games not even out and I miss you way more than I should......

I really really hate that my heart just cant be in the new smash, Ive always been super excited for smash and now its just a mess to me.

 

[lightdasher]

Seems #NeverStopClimbing is winning, I'll wait a little bit longer before I set everything up~

I really really hate that my heart just cant be in the new smash, Ive always been super excited for smash and now its just a mess to me.

Pretty much how I feel.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I really really hate that my heart just cant be in the new smash, Ive always been super excited for smash and now its just a mess to me.

My heart is set on Smash 4 Wii U right now its the main one and I kind of feel this will be the last Smash for a long time Sakurai has the best roster and DLC can answer everyone's prayers Vets and Newcomers alike :') I am really glad these guys are still here I loved them in Brawl (my first smash game) along with these guys So if the DLC rumours are true I hope those 3 get in Wii U :') I also plan on trying out I won't hate on any character except one Yes I will defend this guy too :D

 

[lightdasher]

My heart is set on Smash 4 Wii U right now its the main one and I kind of feel this will be the last Smash for a long time Sakurai has the best roster and DLC can answer everyone's prayers Vets and Newcomers alike :') I am really glad these guys are still here I loved them in Brawl (my first smash game) along with these guys So if the DLC rumours are true I hope those 3 get in Wii U :') I also plan on trying out I won't hate on any character except one Yes I will defend this guy too :D

I wonder who that one is...

 

[J04KlM]

I really really hate that my heart just cant be in the new smash, Ive always been super excited for smash and now its just a mess to me.

Tell me about it, i am depressed because of this game. I have it even, but i just can't seem to enjoy it because my OCD has too many gripes with the roster and stage selections.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I wonder who that one is...

He's a certain character that should be a pallet swap but Sakurai favouritism strikes again :/ D': Lucas why must you leave for this abomination {:O

 

[MagnesD3]

Tell me about it, i am depressed because of this game. I have it even, but i just can't seem to enjoy it because my OCD has too many gripes with the roster and stage selections.

just the amount of great and popular franchises sakurai just chose to ignore dumbfounds me.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

just the amount of great and popular franchises sakurai just chose to ignore dumbfounds me.

The fact we lost these two who where fine in the roster representing their series' which are from the original 12 unlike Fire emblem that has three and an alt and a clone I mean what the heck those jokes at E3 were even more sour now :'( Oh and don't forget Golden Sun losing "all" representation not even a trophy.

 

[MagnesD3]

The fact we lost these two who where fine in the roster representing their series' which are from the original 12 unlike Fire emblem that has three and an alt and a clone I mean what the heck those jokes at E3 were even more sour now :'(

Yes im sour about those badly, Im also sour for the Metroid and DK fanbases as they didnt get their 3rd character they deserved along time ago. Then we can look into the Mewtwo debacle, Ice Climbers technical crap, and the Snake fanbase getting screwed. I hate so many of the newcomers

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Yes im sour about those badly, Im also sour for the Metroid and DK fanbases as they didnt get their 3rd character they deserved along time ago. Then we can look into the Mewtwo debacle, Ice Climbers technical crap, and the Snake fanbase getting screwed. I hate so many of the newcomers

I like what the newcomers bring its just well lets take a look shall we.....
Mario:: Alts:
DK:
Zelda:
Pokémon:: Lose:
Kirby:
Kid Icarus: :
Metroid:
Star Fox: Lose:
Mother: Lose:
F-Zero:.......Really still one -.-
Fire Emblem:: Alts:
Miscellaneous : Lose:
3RD Parties: Lose:
We lose these characters that were not causing problems like Mario should have been I mean 8 Reps I mean for Christ sakes and I mean Kid Icarus has only got two games it has two "newcomers" Mother has 3 and it lost a rep I really hope DLC is a thing because this roster feels very empty :'(

 

[MagnesD3]

I like what the newcomers bring its just well lets take a look shall we.....
Mario:: Alts:
DK:
Zelda:
Pokémon:: Lose:
Kirby:
Kid Icarus: :
Metroid:
Star Fox: Lose:
Mother: Lose:
F-Zero:.......Really still one -.-
Fire Emblem:: Alts:
Miscellaneous : Lose:
3RD Parties: Lose:
We lose these characters that were not causing problems like Mario should have been I mean 8 Reps I mean for Christ sakes and I mean Kid Icarus has only got two games it has two "newcomers" Mother has 3 and it lost a rep I really hope DLC is a thing because this roster feels very empty :'(

Here is some info

Here is a comparison between Brawls roster and 4s roster

Brawls Update

Metroid got 1 new rep, Mario got a new rep and lost a clone, Zelda got a new rep and lost one, Pokemon lost 2 but gained 4, Stafox gained 1, Donkey Kong gained 1, 2 new kirby reps, fe got a newcomer and lost one, earthbound got a newcomer, 2 retros, 2 3rd party characters and 1 brand new series. Out of the cuts only 1 was unique and substantial with Mewtwo. Brawls roster was amazing and fair. Only the foolish complained (and ridley/mewtwo fans).

39 - 22 (Pure Clones arent used as counting towards the net gain of a roster)

Net Gain 17 more characters

1 unique character lost

Less time to work with, smaller development team





Smash 4's update

Lets compare Mario got 3 new reps, Pokemon got 1 lost 2, Kid icarus got 2 new reps, Fire Emblem got 2 new reps, 2 new 3rd parties -1 reps, Starfox loses -1 rep, Earthbound loses -1 rep, 1 new retro -1 retro, 3 custom characters, 4 new series reps. All 7 cuts were unique characters.

Yea this roster sure is fair and balanced. The data speaks for itself.

48 - 39

Net gain: 9 characters

7 unique character cuts (including mewtwo)

More Development time, bigger development team.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Here is some info

Here is a comparison between Brawls roster and 4s roster

Brawls Update

Metroid got 1 new rep, Mario got a new rep and lost a clone, Zelda got a new rep and lost one, Pokemon lost 2 but gained 4, Stafox gained 1, Donkey Kong gained 1, 2 new kirby reps, fe got a newcomer and lost one, earthbound got a newcomer, 2 retros, 2 3rd party characters and 1 brand new series. Out of the cuts only 1 was unique and substantial with Mewtwo. Brawls roster was amazing and fair. Only the foolish complained (and ridley/mewtwo fans).

39 - 22 (Pure Clones arent used as counting towards the net gain of a roster)

Net Gain 17 more characters

1 unique character lost

Less time to work with, smaller development team





Smash 4's update

Lets compare Mario got 3 new reps, Pokemon got 1 lost 2, Kid icarus got 2 new reps, Fire Emblem got 2 new reps, 2 new 3rd parties -1 reps, Starfox loses -1 rep, Earthbound loses -1 rep, 1 new retro -1 retro, 3 custom characters, 4 new series reps. All 7 cuts were unique characters.

Yea this roster sure is fair and balanced. The data speaks for itself.

48 - 39

Net gain: 9 characters

7 unique character cuts (including mewtwo)

More Development time, bigger development team.

Gosh now when you look at it that way...... My god does this suck at least Melee they got a character to replace the series being = = = == No replacements for Mother..... None for Star Fox...... A complete series gone...... and a gigantic whole in the roster then again if they gave us these characters who they going to offer as DLC I think if for the reason they are holding these guys back for that reason I more than understand :'P

 

[MagnesD3]

Gosh now when you look at it that way...... My god does this suck at least Melee they got a character to replace the series being = = = == No replacements for Mother..... None for Star Fox...... A complete series gone...... and a gigantic whole in the roster then again if they gave us these characters who they going to offer as DLC I think if for the reason they are holding these guys back for that reason I more than understand :'P

Exactly when cuts happened in the past there was always something to ease the wound, now its just empty sadness and hatred...

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Exactly when cuts happened in the past there was always something to ease the wound, now its just empty sadness and hatred...

Wii U is dying it better not let these guys die with it Make them exclusives :'D

 

[EnthusedPanda]

I've been having suspicions lately that the 3DS version will have some exclusive characters, as will the Wii U, and the reason "both games share the same roster" is that you have to link them for that to be true. I could see Sakurai pulling this, easily.

So, say, maybe Doc or Dark Pit are 3DS exclusives and maybe Lucas or Snake will be Wii U exclusives? I'd like to rule in ICs, but he flat-out said they're just "cut" so who knows

 

[MagnesD3]

This sums up my whole smash 4 experience in a nutshell.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I've been having suspicions lately that the 3DS version will have some exclusive characters, as will the Wii U, and the reason "both games share the same roster" is that you have to link them for that to be true. I could see Sakurai pulling this, easily.

So, say, maybe Doc or Dark Pit are 3DS exclusives and maybe Lucas or Snake will be Wii U exclusives? I'd like to rule in ICs, but he flat-out said they're just "cut" so who knows

I still think now the ice climber now have a shot seeing how the "new" 3DS is coming out in Australia this November so the hardware might be able too pull it off as for exclusives it could be as you said 3DS: Wii U: I'd be fine with that :D

 

[strawhatninja]

Well I think Mewtwo will be on the Wii U version but DLC is our best bet.

Him/her and 2 or 3 other in my mind on that

I mean sakurai never said anything on the roster on the 3ds being final.

To simply it the roater is both conclusive and inconclusive at the same time. (Is there patch release characters waiting when the wii u version comes out or DLC)

Oh and for mewtwo on that melee article sakurai could have simply started mewtwo from scrach again if was mean't for non-dlc but at this point we have to wait and see for patch release character or DLC if there is.

But for ridley hes has no role at all in the 3ds version not even collectable trophy (yes hes one of the 2 or 3)

And metal face neither and......well theres something you don't know about metal face (exluding those who played xenoblade) (now bare with me I'm sure metal face is just a boss)

Spoiler

At 2:22 metal face is a lie it was just a mech suit the whole time.

His real name is mumkhar .

Where I'm going with this, if metal face is not a boss

Couldn't it be possible that metal face suit is the final smash for mumkhar

Well as I said before Nintendo would be dumb to not do DLC, and they seem to be really embracing it now with Hyrule Warrior and Mario Kart 8.

 

[J04KlM]

just the amount of great and popular franchises sakurai just chose to ignore dumbfounds me.

It's the most biased and unjustified roster we've ever had in a Smash game. Brawl's roster was leaps and bounds better in terms of quality,

- Mario and Pokémon series character representation was equal.
- Zelda representation was almost equal with Mario and Pokémon, with just one character less than both of them.
- Mother, Donkey Kong and Fire Emblem had equal character representation.
- StarFox and Kirby had equal representation.
- The overall roster was clean from filler characters, while Lucas and Wolf borrowed assets from Ness' and Fox's specials. Their Standard Attacks were completely different. Even Toon Link was unique enough to distinguish from Link.
-The only major loss with Brawl's roster was losing Mewtwo and Roy. But, they recieved extremely justified replacements.

Now look at Smash 4.

- Mario has staggering 9 characters, which is as much as Pokémon, Donkey Kong and StarFox have COMBINED.
- Zelda gets no newcomer, or any changes whatsoever. Lacking in 4 reps behind Mario.
- Kid Icarus has more characters than Donkey Kong and StarFox, you mean to tell me a series with 3 games (with Uprising being the only good one, too) is up to the standards of having more representation than Donkey Kong and StarFox?
- StarFox loses a character and is down to only 2 again.
- Mother loses a character and is down to only 1 again.
- Filler characters stick out like a sore thumb in this roster, they have their own darned section. Dark Pit is almost an exact replica of Pit, only the Side Special and Final Smash are different. Lucina is much, much closer to Marth than Roy was in Melee. And Dr. Mario is to the same extend with Mario, only distinguishable difference is their Down Special. These characters are skins that got promoted to seperate character slots for no other reason than to just "beef up the roster".
- The major losses are Ice Climbers, who only got cut because of technical limitations. (Even though they could, and should be in the Wii U version) Lucas, who did not recieve anyone to take his place and Wolf who also didn't get anyone to take his place. Unjustified character cuts.

Some people are saying this is the best roster we've had, because of how many characters we have now.

Quantity is not synonymous with Quality, people.

I have so many gripes with this game it's unbelieveable, and i am going to continue pointing them out untill DLC comes along and fixes this pile of mess we've been left with.