Is there nothing we can do for our fallen heroes?

[MagnesD3]

Well I think Mewtwo will be on the Wii U version but DLC is our best bet.


Well as I said before Nintendo would be dumb to not do DLC, and they seem to be really embracing it now with Hyrule Warrior and Mario Kart 8.

Dont worry nintendo will be dumb and screw us.

It's the most biased and unjustified roster we've ever had in a Smash game. Brawl's roster was leaps and bounds better in terms of quality,

- Mario and Pokémon series character representation was equal.
- Zelda representation was almost equal with Mario and Pokémon, with just one character less than both of them.
- Mother, Donkey Kong and Fire Emblem had equal character representation.
- StarFox and Kirby had equal representation.
- The overall roster was clean from filler characters, while Lucas and Wolf borrowed assets from Ness' and Fox's specials. Their Standard Attacks were completely different. Even Toon Link was unique enough to distinguish from Link.
-The only major loss with Brawl's roster was losing Mewtwo and Roy. But, they recieved extremely justified replacements.

Now look at Smash 4.

- Mario has staggering 9 characters, which is as much as Pokémon, Donkey Kong and StarFox have COMBINED.
- Zelda gets no newcomer, or any changes whatsoever. Lacking in 4 reps behind Mario.
- Kid Icarus has more characters than Donkey Kong and StarFox, you mean to tell me a series with 3 games (with Uprising being the only good one, too) is up to the standards of having more representation than Donkey Kong and StarFox?
- StarFox loses a character and is down to only 2 again.
- Mother loses a character and is down to only 1 again.
- Filler characters stick out like a sore thumb in this roster, they have their own darned section. Dark Pit is almost an exact replica of Pit, only the Side Special and Final Smash are different. Lucina is much, much closer to Marth than Roy was in Melee. And Dr. Mario is to the same extend with Mario, only distinguishable difference is their Down Special. These characters are skins that got promoted to seperate character slots for no other reason than to just "beef up the roster".
- The major losses are Ice Climbers, who only got cut because of technical limitations. (Even though they could, and should be in the Wii U version) Lucas, who did not recieve anyone to take his place and Wolf who also didn't get anyone to take his place. Unjustified character cuts.

I have so many gripes with this game it's unbelieveable, and i am going to continue pointing them out untill DLC comes along and fixes this pile of mess we've been left with.

Dont forget Kid Icarus has more reps than Metroid as well.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

It's the most biased and unjustified roster we've ever had in a Smash game. Brawl's roster was leaps and bounds better in terms of quality,

- Mario and Pokémon series character representation was equal.
- Zelda representation was almost equal with Mario and Pokémon, with just one character less than both of them.
- Mother, Donkey Kong and Fire Emblem had equal character representation.
- StarFox and Kirby had equal representation.
- The overall roster was clean from filler characters, while Lucas and Wolf borrowed assets from Ness' and Fox's specials. Their Standard Attacks were completely different. Even Toon Link was unique enough to distinguish from Link.
-The only major loss with Brawl's roster was losing Mewtwo and Roy. But, they recieved extremely justified replacements.

Now look at Smash 4.

- Mario has staggering 9 characters, which is as much as Pokémon, Donkey Kong and StarFox have COMBINED.
- Zelda gets no newcomer, or any changes whatsoever. Lacking in 4 reps behind Mario.
- Kid Icarus has more characters than Donkey Kong and StarFox, you mean to tell me a series with 3 games (with Uprising being the only good one, too) is up to the standards of having more representation than Donkey Kong and StarFox?
- StarFox loses a character and is down to only 2 again.
- Mother loses a character and is down to only 1 again.
- Filler characters stick out like a sore thumb in this roster, they have their own darned section. Dark Pit is almost an exact replica of Pit, only the Side Special and Final Smash are different. Lucina is much, much closer to Marth than Roy was in Melee. And Dr. Mario is to the same extend with Mario, only distinguishable difference is their Down Special. These characters are skins that got promoted to seperate character slots for no other reason than to just "beef up the roster".
- The major losses are Ice Climbers, who only got cut because of technical limitations. (Even though they could, and should be in the Wii U version) Lucas, who did not recieve anyone to take his place and Wolf who also didn't get anyone to take his place. Unjustified character cuts.

Some people are saying this is the best roster we've had, because of how many characters we have now.

Quantity is not synonymous with Quality, people.

I have so many gripes with this game it's unbelieveable, and i am going to continue pointing them out untill DLC comes along and fixes this pile of mess we've been left with.

Dark Sh*t is horrible I'm sorry he's a clone is the worst possible way when I heard he had the Brawl Pit Move-set I was ecstatic I loved how pit played in Brawl but to see him with the same move-set as Smash 4 pit bugs the hell out of me. I also heard he didn't have pits final smash which made me give him yet another chance only for him to basically copy an existing one shared by two characters as it is. I don't care for Dark Pit I hate him as his own character he should of stayed an alt if he was going to play so similar why not do an but no got represent this new series..... Gah I hate I really, really do I'm indifferent to Dr Mario because at the very least he didn't start as an alt which is why Dark pit exists because of that alt in Brawl

 

[J04KlM]

Dont forget Kid Icarus has more reps than Metroid as well.

Indeed. Though, this doesn't suprise me at all. Seeing how Sakurai has always have had strong bias against Metroid in general, it's never recieved fair treatment in the roster of any of the Smash games.

And his tasteless prank on Ridley fans just proves this.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Indeed. Though, this doesn't suprise me at all. Seeing how Sakurai has always have had strong bias against Metroid in general, it's never recieved fair treatment in the roster of any of the Smash games.

And his tasteless prank on Ridley fans just proves this.

The pranks for Zero suit was quite funny but he countered that straight after. This whole Ridley prank should of been addressed months ago keeping people hopes up without any pay-offs seems pretty unprofessional if you ask me and he did this sort of thing with Mewtwo as well if I recall.

 

[lightdasher]

I count these as the Mario reps

16 Reps.

 

[gameprodigy12]

I count these as the Mario reps

16 Reps.

But you can't though, the game has 7 reps for mario since wario and Yoshi represent their franchises now. Only time you count them as mario is in games like Mario party, Mario Kart , etc.

 

[Sahfarry]

i used to be all uptight about roster size and over-repping series. Now I don't care. If each character from the past (yes, Pichu and Dark Pit) were to come back in Smash 5, I wouldn't mind.

But with custom movesets, Dr. Mario really ought to be a costume. unless his normals were moved.

 

[lightdasher]

But you can't though, the game has 7 reps for mario since wario and Yoshi represent their franchises now. Only time you count them as mario is in games like Mario party, Mario Kart , etc.

I take it Luigi, Peach and Dr. Mario all represent their own series too.

Doesn't matter what series they represent, I still count them as Mario characters.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

But you can't though, the game has 7 reps for mario since wario and Yoshi represent their franchises now. Only time you count them as mario is in games like Mario party, Mario Kart , etc.

Yoshi is in the big Mario games though he's in Galaxy 2, Super Mario world and even the "new" series he is a Mario Rep.

 

[PKBeam]

They're characters from the Mario universe who represent a specific part of it, i.e. their own series.
Unless you think Yoshi's Island and WarioWare aren't part of the Mario universe. In that case, feel free to discount them.

Only time you count them as mario is in games like Mario party, Mario Kart , etc.

That doesn't make sense...? So in Galaxy 2 Yoshi isn't part of the Mario series, in Mario Kart 8 he is, and in Mario U he isn't...? He's either a Mario rep or he isn't, as soon as a character reps a series they rep that series forever sans a few theoretical exceptions, and I don't believe Yoshi was transferred to another series so they shouldn't apply.

And why would Mario Kart and Mario Party be the only times in which Yoshi is part of the Mario universe? What's different between Mario Kart/Party (sub)series and Super Mario World, Galaxy 2 and SM64DS that excludes Yoshi from being part of the Mario series?

 

[lightdasher]

I always saw it as a sub-series from Mario, it's still a Mario series, but it has it's own line of games too. (In other words, it's both)

 

[IsmaR]

Character speculation doesn't belong on the Smash 4 board now that the game is out. We could spend all the time in the world wondering about what-ifs, and still probably not ever get closure.

Additionally until DLC is actually confirmed to be a thing/possible, discussion on it should be taken to Social Groups. These 2 in particular would be fitting for this topic:

http://smashboards.com/social-forums/super-smash-bros-dlc-discussion-group.1750/

http://smashboards.com/social-forum...ool-isaac-snake-ice-climbers-wolf-lucas.1740/