Is it possible to beat someone who knows advanced techniques?

[mbl1714]

Is it possible to beat someone who knows advanced techniques such as wave dashing and SHFFLing? A friend is going to come over my place in the future and he says he knows most of the advanced techniques in Melee. I am just starting to learn wave dashing, L cancelling and all that stuff. Is it possible that I can beat him? Or will he basically **** me every game? I main Falco he mains Sheik. Thanks guys

 

[Life]

Since top players who use ATs fight each other all the time, I'd say yes.

More seriously, knowing ATs doesn't make one good. He'll probably have an advantage, but as long as you know what Sheik is capable of doing to you (and know how to avoid it) it'll be reasonably fair.

 

[mbl1714]

Since top players who use ATs fight each other all the time, I'd say yes.

More seriously, knowing ATs doesn't make one good. He'll probably have an advantage, but as long as you know what Sheik is capable of doing to you (and know how to avoid it) it'll be reasonably fair.

Oh ok..guess I'm gonna have to study the Falco-Sheik matchup then. Thanks

 

[Fritter]

TBH, if you don't know how to SHFFL winning against someone who does is slim. Should try learning how to, its a very simple concept.

 

[Keblerelf]

It's not just knowing ATs, as many threads pop up having people asking "why can't I beat my friends even though I know how to wavedash and he just spams moves???".

ATs are only useful when applied correctly.

 

[2GoD]

Practice, in my opinion, is the most key factor in winning your matchups. Just my idea, some people are bound to disagree.

 

[Dark Lady]

Haha... This reminds me of an old sibling battle I used to have with my younger brother. He never learned any AT's, but he kicked many a backside in friendlies at a tourney once. The reason why? He reads people extremely well. Advanced techniques only add options. It's the execution that really counts. It's like on Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon where the girl has that awesome sword and the swordsmaster only had a stick. The winner? The master with the stick.

If you know how to use your stuff, you can win even without AT's.

 

[ryuu seika]

The things to learn in order of importance:
-Your character
-Your opponent
-Your opponent's character
-ATs
-The stage

If you don't know your character, you haven't a hope in hell but anything else you can get by without, though obviously you'd do a lot better if you did.

 

[FoxLisk]

i dont understand. ATs are a huge part of yoru character and your opponents character. if i only know fox's moveset without short hopping, l cancelling, and wavedashing, i dont know **** all in a serious tournament setting.

ATs are a prerequisite to playing the game at a high level.

 

[Beat!]

The things to learn in order of importance:
-Your character
-Your opponent
-Your opponent's character
-ATs
-The stage

If you don't know your character, you haven't a hope in hell but anything else you can get by without, though obviously you'd do a lot better if you did.

...?

You should be learning ATs gradually while exploring the characters. Having some silly order where you can only practice one thing and one thing only before you move on is completely unnecessary and will most likely make improvement clunky.

And I mean, learning "your opponent", as in the player, will come naturally as you play more (for players like Mango, we're talking a few games, where as for others, it could take longer). Sure, you can put a little extra focus on it if you want, but trying to force a mental aspect when you could be improving the technical ones seems pretty ineffective if you're still a beginner (which is pretty much everyone who hasn't played against actually good players).

 

[Jasou]

ATs are definitely important, but you don't need to know them to beat someone who does know them. I have a sheik player at my club(lol, sheik) who can beat me and he knows near nothing about ATs, because he knows how to combo(I don't think it's catergorized as an adv technique).

But like everyone here says, you should definitely learn them. Especially because falco can do very effective combos when he L-cancels.
Off-topic: am I allowed to post a youtube video here, because I have a great place to start learning ATs.

 

[mbl1714]

ATs are definitely important, but you don't need to know them to beat someone who does know them. I have a sheik player at my club(lol, sheik) who can beat me and he knows near nothing about ATs, because he knows how to combo(I don't think it's catergorized as an adv technique).

But like everyone here says, you should definitely learn them. Especially because falco can do very effective combos when he L-cancels.
Off-topic: am I allowed to post a youtube video here, because I have a great place to start learning ATs.

Yea I'm pretty sure you can post videos because I saw others do it but I'm not sure. Were you going to post the AT videos? Part 1,2, and 3?

 

[Beat!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZLs2doK8E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmGIOcWdsM&feature=related

Lol I don't even know if these were the ones he was going to post

Ah well

 

[Jasou]

^oh howed you know xD. Yeah watch these videos and learn! Don't expect to learn everything at once.

 

[Bones0]

These are also good. You won't be get too much out of them the first time, but as you play more and more, try to come back to them and you should be able to understand it a little better each time.

Smash Tutorial #1: Spacing
Smash Tutorial #2: Reading Comprehension

 

[Mateo113]

This is a good thread

 

[mbl1714]

These are also good. You won't be get too much out of them the first time, but as you play more and more, try to come back to them and you should be able to understand it a little better each time.

Smash Tutorial #1: Spacing
Smash Tutorial #2: Reading Comprehension

Thanks man

 

[Rubyiris]

knowing how to do advanced techniques helps, but isn't always necessary. For practice, I sometimes stop using ALL advanced techniques. It really changes your perspective on the game.

 

[Squirt]

Is it possible to beat someone who knows advanced techniques such as wave dashing and SHFFLing? A friend is going to come over my place in the future and he says he knows most of the advanced techniques in Melee. I am just starting to learn wave dashing, L cancelling and all that stuff. Is it possible that I can beat him? Or will he basically **** me every game? I main Falco he mains Sheik. Thanks guys

Yo, I'd say yea he has the advantage, but you can use this as opportunity to learn. The key would be learning to not get frustrated. Even if he knows ATs you can still dissect his gameplay and find habits and weaknesses to penetrate.

Good luck

 

[thejinftw]

fsmash to fsmash

 

[Graymatter]

It is possible, if they just spam tech skill yet don't use it properly, take advantage of shiek use her weekneses against her... in other words play smart.

 

[JKJ]

Since top players who use ATs fight each other all the time, I'd say yes.

More seriously, knowing ATs doesn't make one good. He'll probably have an advantage, but as long as you know what Sheik is capable of doing to you (and know how to avoid it) it'll be reasonably FAIR.

Get it?

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...cuz its Sheik