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Well said. I agree 110%.
definitely not if you ask me.. sure, he is a good character but if the opponent is a smash god there's just no way he can be defeated using Falco. If you ask me it's..
just thought I'd remind everyone how to play the game.
Fox can camp equally if not better than Falco. Best combos is debatable, all top tiers can combo extremely well, and Falcon too. His defense isn't that great, he can get ZTD'd by Fox, Marth, and Peach, and even when it's not ZTD, once he's offstage, he's gone.
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if you ask me Falco is even with all the other 4 over used characters, however Marth and sometimes Fox have a slight tendence to overwhelm Falco while Peach and Sheik a slight tendence to lose to him.
just tought I'd remind that appearently every time PC plays Falco against M2K he gets 3 stocked..
And Fox:
Scotu rocks.
negatory. how do you punish a 1 frame invincible move that can be canceled faster than your opponent can counter-attack? This is why people hate shine in the first place, it can't be punished. That's why you do a shine after the dair, so you don't get punished.
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Fox definitely beats Falco. They can combo each other evenly, except Fox has 2 options for killing: off the top (pretty common because of grabs->uthrow->vertical killer) or gimping with shinespikes, which is also incredibly easy vs. Falco because of his poor recovery. If he's out of range for a shinespike, a cliffhanger will probably finish him off.
that's what people agree on, I personally don't. UmbreonMow is quoted for truth abot this match up if you ask my opinion.
you forgot that a simple Bair/Nair at high % will mess up Falco as well.. Falco will be thrown off edge and Fox has got plenty of tools to **** Falco's poor recovery. Fox's combos can be even more annoying, plus he is faster and overall a better character compared to Falco. Yet Falco has lasers, so the Fox VS Falco match up goes like.. Fox always trying to find an opening and kill Falco, Falco trying to break through Fox's patience using lasers (remember that Fox is harder to control compared to Falco, which makes the Fox player psychologically vulnerable to the tricks Falco will most likely set up with his lasers). The resolve of this match up depends on the players, most people think Fox beats Falco, I think it's an even match but can't really tell since I haven't played people like PC Chris yet.
It's not like we haven't tought of ledgetech, good DI and eveything, it's just that the comboing/edgeguarding opponent will predict it and punish it again. Sure, you'll say that the Falco player needs to be careful and smart as well but at high levels of play if you take 2 players with equal skills the one using Falco will end up getting gimped more often, that's it. At least, PC got ***** badly because of this against M2K while playing Fox seems to keep things even with him.
neutralizing dashdancing sounds more like an offensive move, while for platform camping it's true Falco can give the opponent some problems although I think Sheik can stop it quite as well as Falco does.
Falco can be equal in range and priority to Sheik but definitely not to Marth.. everytime I see Falco playing too close to Marth all he does is getting hit and comboed from there on. If Falco manages to hit Marth in close combat I guess it'd be more a matter of timing and position.
I'm assuming all the peach players are actually able to power shield 100% of the lasers.. also Falco has got ways to get past power shielding as well.
simply outranging the shine.. or punishing whatever the Falco player's going to do after the shine. Shine can be a 1 frame invincible move but it lacks range, hence it needs something else to connect from and needs to be canceled with a WD or a jump (or another shine as well). Back SH + AFA from Marth should be enough to punish all of this possibilities.. and anyway just look at 1:00, 1:29 and 1:45 of this video.. that's what I mean with punishing Falco's approachs using proper timing:
Quoted for Truth. Seriously, the lasers can stop just about everything, and give a free hit many times. Falco beats just about all the top tiers but Marth. Marth can gimp Falco a lot better than the other top tiers. And Falco and Marth go even.
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Pillaring is pressuring a shield, most commonly with dairs and shines. I gave frame data to prove that Fox' pillar is better because it cannot be shieldgrabbed like Falco's pillar.
Unfortunately, my strategies are ridiculously complicated and just not viable for pretty much any player who isn't me. I'm not discouraging people from taking ideas from what I do, as the concepts that I can provide to others are what's important. I fully believe people should develop their own methods to doing things. It gives you an advantage when people don't know how to deal with your style.
unless I'm doing a mistake I think he used Fox, at least in order to beat M2K
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even with a slight advantage for Falco IMO. And the fact that you're a very good peach may affect your judgement =P
everyone gets dominated by lasers and basic Falco nonsense, not just Peach XD. The only reason for me to give a very slight advantage to Falco is the lack of speed for Peach which turns out to be very bad when Falco starts to camp. Apart from that, Peach totally destroys Falco in close combat.
