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Smash Lord
Preface: so I wrote this post initially believing Ryu had no safe moves on Sheik's shield. As it turns out I was mistaken, to a degree. Ryu can special cancel his dtilts, utilts and jab1 to punish shield grab. Shoryuken is the only safe special when using utilt1. Dtilts are safe vs shield grab with Tatsu and hadouken and I'm guessing also Shoryuken. Dtilts need to be spaced though. If up close the only option is Shoryuken, you need the invincibility from it to beat the grab.
More to come.. Might do a list. Something to note is your opponent can also safely roll, spot dodge and probably jump out. Or continue holding shield. So this isn't completely safe, it just covers a good option.
Been trying to figure out Ryu's neutral and I did some testing solo last night. There's nothing Ryu can do that can't be punished by Sheik (at least) if you hit her shield. Dsmash has way more lag for Ryu even if spaced than sheiks shield drop. Fair and bair both are punishable with shield grab. Dtilt 2 is easily shield grabbed. Utilt1 can't spam fast enough to beat shield grab. Nair gets shield grabbed or whatever they wanna do.
So is there anything truly safe? Hadouken is maybe the only safe hit on shield move but it's easily power shielded.
I feel like the only safe moves Ryu has to initiate with is stuff that doesn't actually hit a shield. Like throwing out moves preemptively. Am I wrong on any of this? I'm hopeful someone has some contrary experiences with testing. My testing was limited since I was running in stop and go mode in training mode on 1/4 but everything I tested I am certain either Sheik would be able to shield grab, or in the case of shield sliding like from dsmash Sheik was able to drop shield long before Ryu could do anything.
More to come.. Might do a list. Something to note is your opponent can also safely roll, spot dodge and probably jump out. Or continue holding shield. So this isn't completely safe, it just covers a good option.
Been trying to figure out Ryu's neutral and I did some testing solo last night. There's nothing Ryu can do that can't be punished by Sheik (at least) if you hit her shield. Dsmash has way more lag for Ryu even if spaced than sheiks shield drop. Fair and bair both are punishable with shield grab. Dtilt 2 is easily shield grabbed. Utilt1 can't spam fast enough to beat shield grab. Nair gets shield grabbed or whatever they wanna do.
So is there anything truly safe? Hadouken is maybe the only safe hit on shield move but it's easily power shielded.
I feel like the only safe moves Ryu has to initiate with is stuff that doesn't actually hit a shield. Like throwing out moves preemptively. Am I wrong on any of this? I'm hopeful someone has some contrary experiences with testing. My testing was limited since I was running in stop and go mode in training mode on 1/4 but everything I tested I am certain either Sheik would be able to shield grab, or in the case of shield sliding like from dsmash Sheik was able to drop shield long before Ryu could do anything.
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