Into The New World :: Generation V Competitive Metagame Discussion

[ss118]

If Azumarill could use Belly Drum + Aqua Jet, SS wouldn't stand a chance...

**** that water/ghost *****

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If Azumarill could use Belly Drum + Aqua Jet, SS wouldn't stand a chance...

**** that water/ghost *****

That would've been amazing. Let's totally hit Burungeru with Ice Punch. Totally.

 

[Moozle]

I just don't understand why they did this with Rain instead of SS.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I know right? Apparently Kingdra and Kabutops are too threatening.

 

[UltiMario]

The entire argument was double STAB made rain unbearably broken.

Morons.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The entire argument was double STAB made rain unbearably broken.

Morons.

Hang on. Double STAB? Can you link me to the specific thread?

 

[UltiMario]

Double STAB as in the Rain boosting the power of water moves. That was why Rain got nerfed but not sand, because of the bonus power.

Also the initial proposal for this was here and discussion on it was here

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Double STAB as in the Rain boosting the power of water moves. That was why Rain got nerfed but not sand, because of the bonus power.

Also the initial proposal for this was here and discussion on it was here

Alright. Thanks for the links.

 

[Wave⁂]

Also BTW SubCM Shandera sucks and never actually works against a good team.

I can't really imagine this being true. It'd be pretty trivial to lure into something like Scizor and sacrifice a Pokemon to safely bring in Shandera.

 

[UltiMario]

That would mean that Scizor and Roob wouldn't be able to really hurt Chandelure. Unless Scizor was locked into Superpower. GG idiot, you just locked yourself into a fighting move perfectly knowing the opponent had Chandelure.

 

[Wave⁂]

Why would you perfectly know the opponent has Shandera?

 

[UltiMario]

Team Preview.

SMOGON Dream World OU man.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Why would you perfectly know the opponent has Shandera?

Smogon and Pokemon Online play with Team Preview.

 

[UltiMario]

PO Dream World doesn't play with TP

 

[Terywj [태리]]

PO Dream World doesn't play with TP

Oh. Why do I remember they did? Guess that was WiFi then.

 

[Wave⁂]

We're listening to Smogon now? Okay.

 

[UltiMario]

Chandelure is sort of banned in PO DW, so there really isn't any other context to put Chandelure in.

 

[choknater]

ur post count is pretty **** tery

 

[Terywj [태리]]

ur post count is pretty **** tery

I switch in Shadera. You lose.

Anyway, I'll be experimenting with Pokemon Online's UU ladders--probably both unless one lacks Zuruzukin--so I'll be sure to find some interesting stuff.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I think the reason you guys aren't having any success with subCM Shandera is just because you aren't running a bulky one.

Shandera @ whatever (Leftovers, Shuca, Dark-res berry, Lum, etc.)
240 HP/252 Def/16 SpAtk
Bold / Shadow Tag

Sub
CM
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting/Flamethrower

Shandera hits 321/306/216 defenses, which is respectable considering everybody thinks it's frail as ****. ScarfTar's Crunch doesn't 1hko (76% max, so realistically you can set up and 2hko it with your secondary move of choice), CB Scizor's Bullet Punch doesn't break substitutes, etc. If you give it a safe switch-in (or manufacture one with Lum, basically letting you switch into any blissey/chansey for free), it can easily take it down and start to dismantle stall. Shadow Ball+HP Fighting is probably best, as this is meant to dismantle stall, and +6 HP Fighting will beat Skarm anyway and 2hko Blissey. Getting up Toxic Spikes and then sending this guy in will completely dismantle any attempt at stalling your opponent might try. It won't quite 2hko evo Chansey, but Hidden Power's 32 PP vs. Softboiled/Wish's 16 will let you beat it in the end. It has a lot more bulk than people give it credit for.

 

[UltiMario]

Protip: It'll be a bit harder to set up on Scizor considering the metagame is shifting away from CB to SD. +2 Scizor be breakin those subs though?

Also don't be countin those chickens before they hatch, if you kill your only set-up fodder than Sturdy/WW with Skarm be wreckin your sweep

I could be more nitpicky like Expert Belt and CB Tars still rip it to shreds, and the ever-so-more-common Bulky Tar does that one better.

It's a really good set on paper, but the metagame shifting is removing its viability. You can set up on Blissey and Chansey I guess, but with stall dying, those are getting less and less common.

You're still setting up on Nattorei as usual, though. That's fine and all, just don't switch into TWave.

IMO, Chandelure has a great and reliable use in revenge killing. It's best to use it for that.

 

[kirbyraeg]

gotta have sr up to beat sturdy skarm, but yeah...+6 of either coverage move will 1hko even spdef skarm.

+2 BP does 25-30%. You can set up all you like with Leftovers and everything, and flamethrower is still a good choice so if you have it you just roast him. HP Fighting is just for the whole 'zomg perfect coverage' thing.

 

[UltiMario]

I really would rather take out TTar with HP Fighting considering Bulky Tar still doesn't even give a **** otherwise.

Edit:
That Chandelure's Flamethrower vs Bulkytar (0/216SpD Sassy): 41.3% - 48.7% with lefties that's not 2HKOing. TTar's obviously Capable of 2HKOing it back.

 

[ss118]

Choknater has the most ****

Spoiler

d

post count.

 

[choknater]

ahhh i got infracted LOL

but yeah ttar's definitely a disgustingly good counter to chandelure. rofl when we saw it released in the bw pokemon, i knew the initial reaction would be omg its sooooo broken... but i think some ppl got it right when they said it would be countered by residual damage and ttar. i just didnt realize how brutal the ttar counter would be

 

[The Real Gamer]

This is 100% for Ultimario doubting if I could make top 80 on the Smogon Server. Still working on top 50.

Spoiler

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Whenever I am feeling sad I got play on the PO server, and all of a sudden I magically start winning like 60% more matches.


<3 Smogon server.

 

[ss118]

OK guys help me out here. I'm tired of not being 100% BA in gen V like I was in gen IV, mainly because I haven't found it terribly interesting.

So I'm going to find a metagame and dominate it. I just need to decide which one since I was pretty **** in like four of them last gen lol

LC, ubers, and OU. Take a pick, guys.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Middle Cup.

In all seriousness, I'd say

Spoiler

Little Cup.

 

[choknater]

ou all the way man

i always go for popularity for more ppl and varied competition. eheheh

dang trg i havent broken 100 yet in DW

in po server's wifi i got top 15 rofl so weak sauce

 

[The Real Gamer]

Yeah the people on PO are pretty bad...

But I'm currently working on my very first warstory! It's an epic match against the #1 player on the PO server that just happened last night. Can't wait to share it when I'm done!

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Cool story bro.

I mean, I look forward to a cool story bro.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Cool story bro.

I mean, I look forward to a cool story bro.

I like this guy already.

But yeah, I'll anticipate the warstory as well.

 

[choknater]

lol too good miles

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

Who is miles?

 

[choknater]

miles tails prower

 

[kirbyraeg]

you stole my answer ******

 

[Night-san]

Lol u guise. Joining the discussion. Even though I'm prolly not as good at this as the rest of you. :'D

I'm finding Ferrothorn to be fscking amazing at stall. Not that you guys don't know that already.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Nattorei is the sole reason why Mix Tyranitar is ever popular.

Well that and theoretically Gliscor, stopping Doryuuzu's sweep but still.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Rampardos needs to get access to gen 4 move tutors in grey, so he can get encourage fire punch and thunderpunch, in addition to head smash and zen headbutt/crunch. cuz that would be ****ing awesome.