Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[Ronike]

Vote Count (7/13 to lynch):

Sworddancer [0]:
X1-12 [2]: th3kuzinator, J,
th3kuzinator [2]: Dark Horse, Teryble Doom~,
Tandora [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Kirbyoshi [4]: Sworddancer., Cello_Marl, X1-12, Tandora,
Cello_Marl [1]: -Vocal-,
Sir Bedevere [0]:
Teryble Doom~ [0]:
Dark Horse [1]:
J [1]: Ranmaru,
-Vocal- [0]:
Rockin [1]: Kirbyoshi,

Not Voting: Sir Bedevere, Rockin

Activities are all good.

 

[-Vocal-]

OMG, you people are useless...

Sworddancer [0]:
X1-12 [2]: th3kuzinator, J
th3kuzinator [2]: Dark Horse, Teryble Doom~,
Tandora [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Kirbyoshi [4]: Sworddancer., Cello_Marl, X1-12, Tandora
Cello_Marl [1]: -Vocal-
Sir Bedevere [0]:
Teryble Doom~ [0]:
Dark Horse [0]:
J [1]: Ranmaru,
-Vocal- [0]:
Rockin [1]: Kirbyoshi

Now tell me this; does this REALLY change your reads? NO. BECAUSE IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION, THEN YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHO WAS VOTING FOR WHO. This wasn't even very difficult to compile; very few people had the balls to actually vote.

I'll get back to what was said later; I have something else to take care of. In the meantime, does anyone agree with what Vocal said?

Here Cello goes again ignoring the important parts of the game; all this post does is post information in an attempt to appear useful without actually contributing, which is exactly something scum would do.

How's my Cello impression, did you like it?

Wait...

You AGREE with Vocal, the thesis of her post being that I'm the primary i.e. most suspicious person, and yet you ALSO state that I'm hard to get a read on? You also are AGREEING with Vocal on the BASIS of something that you are PERSONALLY aware that I do as town, and is my STRONGEST trait?

Do you not see how this is contradictory?

I would like to clarify this "most suspicious" part. I currently find Rockin's ingame personality the most murky, and I would prefer to have more information on him before coming to conclusions about him. You, on the other hand, have had some possibly scummy activity, hence making me more comfortable with voting you than him. As I also said before, the day has barely begun, so there is plenty of time to gather more information.

Because the bulk of it was about how wrong your assumptions were. Cello, sometimes you can be so thick-headed.

^

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Vocal, Cello is not scum. At least from what I can tell so far.

 

[ranmaru]

Me saying "I don't understand" is pretty much the same as asking for clarification. I was twisting words in no way shape or form.



I still don't understand this, though, and I think it's what's really confusing me. How was this a reason for why you were not posting?

I don't think so. I think asking for clarification "Can you elaborate?" like that is clarification. Saying "I don't know" isn't clarification. But the line you said after that did seem to be clarification. I just wanted to see what you would say, and not Cello responding for you.

Meaning that since he didn't reply to me, I had nothing about him to reply to.

@Ranmaru: At the time that you first said that you thought my pressuring Rockin over you was odd, you had 8 posts. Rockin had 0. That's comparatively huge difference, even if half of your posts were goofing off/RVS. Rockin literally had no presence; he needed to be forced to make an appearance. You weren't more active than Rockin "atm", you have been more active than Rockin the WHOLE game.

I just looked at Ronike's post count thing. I guessed I had like 2 more by that time. Although I wasn't inactive, I just hadn't posted alot of messages yet.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Dark Horse: Well, it wasn't. So, don't you think it would be a good idea to find out why Kirbyoshi thinks your top scum pick is town? Do that, please.

@Vocal: Don't make me have to set you up for lynch or Night Kill.

@Kirbyoshi:

You read it wrong then. The bit about the Oli boards was completely joking, the part about reading the DBZ thread was kind of a "sneak peek," and the question was mostly reaction fishing.

"Sneak peek"? Explain. What sort of "reactions" were you hoping to get at the beginning of the game? Why are you trying to twist that sort of question as a serious attempt at playing the game? But, the mere fact that you are attempting to pass it off as such

If I were expecting EVERYONE to read DBZ, I would have said something like "look at post 683." And I didn't even read all of it anyway, I skimmed. Mostly for the votecounts. And after I found out for sure that it had nothing to do with this game, everything after that was kidding.

It was obvious on it's face that DBZ had nothing to do with this game. The fact people were considering it at all just makes me sad.

Funny how people with the same win condition tend to say some of the same things, isn't it?

Spoken with SUCH conviction! Interesting that you choose to make this statement, given that I'm supposedly "hard to read".

This was my attempt at a humorous way to say that yes, I did simply want Sir Bed to post.

I keep trying to come up with a response to this, but can't find one I'm satisfied with. So, instead, I'll let Sworddancer field this one. It should be obvious why.

Already said that I didn't read all of it, just mostly the votecounts.

There's also butting heads with Sworddancer. Your interactions with him were simply "playful antics" too, according to you.

Why? It's pretty obvious that I did it because it was later when I went after ("Took the Hard Line with," sounds like a kinky Monopoly variant) Rockin. Inactivity later is more scummy than inactivity earlier.

So, how does the fact that YOU decided to jump on Sir Bed's *** first make him LESS scummy than Rockin? Also, EVEN UP TO THIS POINT, you've not bothered to tell us why Sir Bed's posts smelled townie to you. So, why?

Especially since, as you say, "Inactivity later is more scummy than inactivity earlier". Well, guess what? SIR BEDEVERE HASN'T POSTED SINCE THAT TIME. WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?!

 

[Cello_Marl]

I just looked at Ronike's post count thing. I guessed I had like 2 more by that time. Although I wasn't inactive, I just hadn't posted alot of messages yet.

Oh, I see. Those were dates. So it had been two days since that person's last post, or one, or so on. But, Rockin's said No Posts Yet! Or something like that, iirc.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Here Cello goes again ignoring the important parts of the game; all this post does is post information in an attempt to appear useful without actually contributing, which is exactly something scum would do.

How's my Cello impression, did you like it?

Nice start to the act, but your performance is only halfway through. You need to work on your follow-up. Specifically, the trick is not simply in the accusation, but in the interpretation of their reaction, as well as leaving an impression on your audience.

In this case, that was not the goal of my post. If I had simply done it of my own volition and nothing else, your point would have more merit (and actually still has merit, in my opinion. The fact that it has not reached the correct final destination YET doesn't take away from that, as long as you actually DO arrive at the correct interpretation of my actions during follow-up). However, you'll notice that a sizable number of people were clogging up the game with their hesitancy. I want the game to KEEP MOVING. That's important to me, it's IMPORTANT to our success.

 

[ranmaru]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yeah, I got confused by the no posts yet thing.

Anyways, where's J?

Unvote

I guess toDAY's lynch is going to be either Kuz/Kirb/Rockin.

Kirb, who do you think should go toDAY?

 

[Cello_Marl]

I would like to clarify this "most suspicious" part. I currently find Rockin's ingame personality the most murky, and I would prefer to have more information on him before coming to conclusions about him. You, on the other hand, have had some possibly scummy activity, hence making me more comfortable with voting you than him. As I also said before, the day has barely begun, so there is plenty of time to gather more information.

I disagree with your sentiment that there is plenty of time; there is never enough time. I'm fine with the rest of this, AS LONG as you remember that Kirbyoshi did not know your intent at the time of his posts, and that you clear up your murky opinion of Rockin through whatever means you have to before the end of toMorrow at the absolute latest, and preferably before the end of this Day.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Cello is back to his old ways of being wrong again

This was bugging me. I didn't change any of my opinions, so what exactly was I wrong about? You'd been agreeing with me on everything of importance as far as I can tell. YOU were the one who changed your mind on Kirbyoshi, not me.

Three posts of Kirb's, two of which are questioning Rockin's actions. Your question would not have bothered me if it was only directed at Rockin but you include Kirb in your accusation, meaning that you must not be paying attention and have simply set your sights on the two of them, regardless of evidence or circumstance.

First of all, wrt his "questioning" of Rockin's actions, the first point is an attempt to appear useful without providing anything. Think about what he said. "There might be a Jester. There might not be. If there is one, it might be Kuz. Or it might not be."

 

[Cello_Marl]

EBWOP, continuing from where I left off:

HOW THE **** IS THAT BEING HELPFUL? How is that "questioning" Rockin? Does it help Kirbyoshi determine Rockin's alignment in any way? No. If it DOES, I'd sure as hell love to know HOW.

But srsly, I don't find the fact that he brought up dead topics suspicious. I think that's fairly common for ketchup posts. What I do find questionable is the mod meta. The fact he asked kuz about you (Cello) is.....interesting, to say the least. Why is kuz in the front of Rockin's mind?

@Rockin: Did you realize when you wrote your post that Teryble Doom~ is a hydra?

Moving on the second "point". Great, he doesn't find talking about useless flavor from an ancient game suspicion or unimportant. Wonderful. WHY? It's as though he's already made up his mind as to what he wants to think, especially when you consider that the Kuz section was already asked and answered: Rockin thought that Kuz was my brother in real life. As such, he directed a question to my real life sister and "brother".

I will admit that the hydra question COULD have had importance, except he didn't follow up on it in any way, shape or form. What was the point of it? If there was one, he should enlighten us.

He won't. So, I will instead. Think about it; is that the sort of question Rockin and Teryble Doom would come up with as a smoke screen? No. That ignorance is highly suggestive that Teryble Doom and Rockin are not scummates.

Additionally, your paragraph of reasoning as to why to vote for Kirb is full of logical fallacies and assumptions. You are placing way too much emphasis on someone without a good enough reason too justify the amount of pressure.

Of course I'm making assumptions. More appropriately, inferences. Do you REALLY think he's just going to come out and TELL us the real reasons WHY he's doing the scummy stupid **** that he is? And I intend to put whatever pressure is necessary to break him.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Someone "breaking" is a null-tell at best. And Cello doesn't know when to admit he's wrong.

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal, Cello is not scum. At least from what I can tell so far.

I know (for now, anyways), but neither are you (for now, anyways). Felt like movin' my vote. What of it?

Sir Bed, you've been pretty quiet this game thus far. What's do you think of Cello's case on KirbYoshi? What do you think of his case on Rockin? Is there anyone else you find interesting at the moment?

 

[#HBC | J]

gaaah I hate when I get busy Dx

Alright I'm gonna try and do a post tonight after I catch up. In the mean time. Any questions?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@J: What do you think of Cello at this point?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Nope. It'll be nice to have a fresh opinion.

Just make sure it matches mine.

Nah, I'm kidding. Have fun at the dance, you crazy kid.

 

[-Vocal-]

Nope. It'll be nice to have a fresh opinion.

Just make sure it matches mine.

Nah, I'm kidding. Have fun at the dance, you crazy kid.

Says the wallflower watching the girls from afar


Btw, I'm not a she.

 

[#HBC | J]

He's been hanging out with J too much lately. <3

@J, what's your opinion of Kirbyoshi voting for me and Sword defending me?

Sword was defending you?

Kirbyoshi voting you seems....odd to say the least.

he had attempted to buddy with cello. When accused, he claimed that buddying early D1 wasn't scummy (which it is)

No it's not that scummy. (buddying)

Explain this.

DnD mafia is all I am gonna say. I personally do not wish to talk about that so I am not going to.

actually **** that ****, DH is town

Why? You never explained why you are so sure he is town. Also isn't this the EXACT thing you are getting on th3kuzi for? Buddying along with Cello. (along with a trivial unvoting thingy)

Why, because he agrees with you?

Lol so true.

@Teryble Doom: If we lynch Kuz and he turns out to be town, who would be to blame? Would you recommend that we lynch that person?

@J: Same question as Teryble Doom.

X1. Seriously no kidding. And 100% yes.

I'm willing to lynch Rockin if he either has A) less than 1/2 my number of posts, or B) is clearly not truly making an effort to contribute.

I would recommend that everyone else adopt this attitude as well.

Noooo that attitude is silly. Also what is your thought now? He (Rockin) seems to be making an effort to contribute now.

Hey wait a minute

Why me first J :<

Reason being is because I haven't talked to you in a while Vocal dude D:

Plus I had to replace out of that one game where it would have been our first.

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^Translate please.

If rockin continues lurking, I might vote him after Kuz dies. Not right now, no. 11 pages isn't really what I would call really lurking, while Kuz is pretty darn scummy

Why after kuzi dies? Do you still maintain this feeling that kuzi is scummy?

@Ran: There are certain actions that you could do which most people would dismiss as noobtown, however if you do any of these actions I will get you lynched. What do you think about this?

Why? As in why would you lynch him for stuff you normally dismiss as noobtown? You also act as if you are in charge in saying you can get him lynched. Why?

Anyways, where's J?

I guess toDAY's lynch is either going to be Kuz/Kirb/Rockin.

Been busy as of late ^^"

Question: What makes you think that the day will end with one of those lynches? Is it possible that someone else could be lynched? Why is your mind closed off to those three? If you could have anyone besides those three, who would it be and why?

@J: What do you think of Cello at this point?

Town. ;D

Nope. It'll be nice to have a fresh opinion.

Just make sure it matches mine.

Nah, I'm kidding. Have fun at the dance, you crazy kid.

You confuse me.... ._.

Let me get these thoughts straight. Why has no one at ALL called X1 on his flip from th3kuzi to Kirbyoshi and just going along with whatever says right behind him. As soon as Cello moves off th3kuzi, so does X1. Cello hops on Kirbyoshi, X1 soon follows. He seems to be overexaggerating everything to seem like a tiny action is the biggest scum-slip in the world. His entire case on th3kuzi was on the fact that unvoting is scummy (I still do not get how), buddying of Cello (Which X1 has done himself *buddying*), and that's about it. Then once he realizes Cello is done trying to rip th3kuzi to pieces and end up going after Kirbyoshi In which since then is now at L-3. Who was the second one to follow Cello? X1. Who was the second one to follow Cello the first time? X1. IIRC he even hopped on to attack Rockin with Cello (Cello can correct me here). X1 has yet to give plausible evidence to any of his "scum-reads" but instead just piggyback Cello and attack the n00bs it seems or people he knows he can out mindgame. (i.e. Vocal, DH, th3kuzi, Ran, Teryble Doom) Why? Also in that group of n00bs bets on one of them being one of X1's scumbuddies if he does flip scum. He is smart enough to include his partners when he is attacking a lot of people.

Cello, how does it feel to have someone following so close to your backside? Why have you not realized this. *tsk tsk* Ya slipping? What happened to your policy of always lynching X1? What happened to tunneling me? Why are you not going to listen to me after this post?

Vocal, Who ya looking at PERSONALLY? Is it still Cello from your vote on him? If not whom? If so why him again?

Sir B/Tanny, Where are you two? Tanny I am not used to seeing you be well kindof an inactive. Sir B I really haven't played with you too much and the fact that you have slipped off my radar and I just answered a question from you is odd. Why? Both of you two have slipped my mind. Is this a good or bad thing in your mind? Tanny moreso note, why did you randomly come in and vote Kirbyoshi as well with adding minmal detail to it? As town you are more outspoken. However I recant that in thinking of DnD.....you're a silly thing aren't you girly =p

Kirbyoshi, Who would you rather lynch? You have not really expressed an opinion on this. You had voted for Rockin for pressure to talk iirc. Who do you find scummy now? Would you hop onto X1? If not who? If so, why?

Dark Horse, what do you think about X1's auto-clear of you? What do you make of the Kirbyoshi lynch? What would you make of an X1 lynch? What would you make of a Ran lynch?

Everyone, why has no one called me out on my activity besides Ran? It seems to be a point of interest that people will call out Sir B and Rockin but leave people like myself or Tanny in this matter un mentioned. Why is that? Also would you be willing to go in the right direction cuz if so....

Unvote if applicable
Vote: X1-12

This is what I believe to be the right direction. X1 needs to go.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm going to a tournament today, so I won't be posting until tonight/tommarrow, but for now:

@Kirbyoshi: I do not believe you answered my question in my 247, please do so.

@Tanny: So wait, to make this clear, you wanted to quickhammer Kuz because you thought he's a jester (who had to self hammer to win)? That doesn't seem like sound logic to me. Not the part where you didn't understand the role, that's believable. However, the part where you were assuming he was jester, that I do not understand the reasoning behind. I mean, that's one dangerously big assumption to make behind what I would consider to be a very small amount of evidance.

I also don't see how lynching the jester would actually help town either.

J: I honestly didn't really consider you all that inactive, even if you actually were.

 

[Tandora]

Also, @Tanny: In my experience, Jesters don't have to self-hammer. But I don't think I've ever encountered one on SWF, so idk what the convention is here (inb4Cellosayingconventionistonothavethem).

After it was pointed out, I realized my mistake. Partly blame it on never having played with a jester on forum.

I'll get back to what was said later; I have something else to take care of. In the meantime, does anyone agree with what Vocal said?

I can see the point Vocal is making. However, anyone can pretty much take three posts and make a point on them. I don't feel they necessarily prove KY's alignment. I think however, it does point positively towards Vocal for pulling them up.

How's my Cello impression, did you like it?

Not cool, man.

I get that Cello is hard headed. But do you think mocking him is going to make him agree with you or make you not look like a jerk? Make your points, disagree with him, or ignore him, but statements like the one above just lead to personal arguing that is all too often T-v-T which I would like to avoid.

I love how my joke about Kuz learning Ate from you makes you do a visual Ate.

Sir B/Tanny, Where are you two? Tanny I am not used to seeing you be well kindof an inactive. Sir B I really haven't played with you too much and the fact that you have slipped off my radar and I just answered a question from you is odd. Why? Both of you two have slipped my mind. Is this a good or bad thing in your mind? Tanny moreso note, why did you randomly come in and vote Kirbyoshi as well with adding minmal detail to it? As town you are more outspoken. However I recant that in thinking of DnD.....you're a silly thing aren't you girly =p

It's RVS ( or was) and I just never know how to get into that stage. Sitting back, commenting here and there. You know?

I've also made the mistake of being active in four games and I'm letting the oldest one have priority for activity. I WILL NOT BE A LURKER! I'm just saying until the game gets into more full swing, I just not gonna say much. It makes me look scum every game. =/

Also, I've seen lately that town tends to drag its feet on lynch wagons. We get down to the zero hour, scramble to get a lynch and a townie dies. Suck. So I wanted to participate on the KY wagon for some reads. Heck, the Kuz wagon got some good reactions, so I'm feeling pretty good about this game.

And I"m really glad we're moving away from the DBZ flavor and it being "D3". Although those reactions are good to look at, I don't think our whole discussions needed to be about them.

As far as X1 goes, yeah I see him as being scummy. But he's always on my scumdar and I've found that makes me tunnel unnecessarily. Ironically, it makes me less likely to lead a lynch on him because of that personal WIFOM.

 

[Tandora]

@Tanny: So wait, to make this clear, you wanted to quickhammer Kuz because you thought he's a jester (who had to self hammer to win)? That doesn't seem like sound logic to me. Not the part where you didn't understand the role, that's believable. However, the part where you were assuming he was jester, that I do not understand the reasoning behind. I mean, that's one dangerously big assumption to make behind what I would consider to be a very small amount of evidance.

I also don't see how lynching the jester would actually help town either.

1) I misunderstood the role, but you understood that already.
2) That is why I said something on thread to let people know to not put us in that situation.
3) Look at how Kuz was saying "Yeah, I got a guilty read on me, whatcha gonnna do about it?" (paraphrased) It felt like he was encouraging people to vote for him. A player should not be doing that. I looked at my pm for the rules again and there was no mention of Jester not being in the game. Pretty much EVERY game I've been in confirms there's no Jester. Why wasn't it there? OMG WHY?
4) In regards to the quote I bolded, let's assume there's a jester. If lynching him made him win and the game ended, it would be terrible for town. If lynching him let him win but game continued, then it clears up the waters for us to find scum. If lynching him w/o him selfhammering would not let him win and game continue, that would be best for us.

Regardless, your berating me is all based on a misconception of a role that is probably not even in the game and I freaked out about unnecessarily.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

About #3, Kuz was probably referring to something that happened in Youtube memes mafia. Immendiatly X1 pulled a gambit and lied about being N0 cop with a guilty on Swiss (Swiss actually ended up being Godfather, lol). Kuz telling people to pile votes onto him was probably reffering to that, as a joke.

Btw, if we actually find good reason to believe someone to be jester (for example, if he claims jester, which probably won't happen), then it's actually in the best interest not to lynch him. There's no point and sending town into the Night by lynching someone who we do not actually find to be a threat. This is the second biggest part of what I don't get about the purposel to quicklynch Kuz (even if he is a jester).

 

[Rockin]

lol I still find it hilarious that I'm considered scummy/lynch choice for not posting the first 3/4 days out of 11 days we have. Whether I was looking at the thread or not shouldn't be an issue, as it's not like I made a post or two, then lurked a few days after. >>

I did a 2nd re-read of the thread and I still havn't found much of interest. I don't see what we'd gain from a Kuz lynch (atm) at all. Same goes for a Kirbyoshi lynch. Hell, I don't see much profit reason to my lynch XD

Time to play :D

So far, you asked me one question. I answered it and then for the rest of your posts you just say lynch Kuz.

This is what you do in all your games when you dont want to contribute.

I already explained that I did not think Cello to be scummy, for now, so why would I continue to pressure someone who I thought was town. Cello was not pressuring me, he was asking me whether his long post was made to inspire good sentiment towards him. I unvoted to put my vote on someone who I think deserves the pressure, not because I was being pressured.

Hmm. That's kinda funny. I remember that you saw Cello as pretty darn Town, given from your previous post

I have plenty of meta on you, from your town game and you scum game I have played with you + the ones I read.

I commented on the fact that you actually putting in effort to understand the game mechanics probably means you are looking to play the game for awhile. That's a pretty good town-cello tell if you ask me. You agree that this is a true tell yet dismiss my reasoning because I 'dont have enough info.' Your analysis skills are dulling, Cello.

I am town btw, and I am willing to put you as my first provisional townie. You should be honored.

Do you really find Cello town or are you trying to buttering him up?

X1, I'm not being a fan of how you're posting right now. You're not even trying to contribute. All you're doing is push push push, which isn't a good way to start on D1/D3 right now, especially if you don't have a concrete case on them. Further more...

Lynching th3kuzi......

not seeing it.

Unvote
Vote: X1-12

I'm seeing this 8).

Calling chainsaw now. If kuz flips scum J next

You're being awefully sensitive.

C'mon, I've seen better play from you manz. Get with it. Can you try convincing me why Kuz (or anyone else you feel) is scum?

Rockin first imo.

why do you want to lynch me? For me trying to question the mod? Explain plz.

Tandora : I do NOT like men. I am perfectly happy with my love with women. I just see him wanting to lynch me as him hitting on me (which I ain't interested in >>)

Aside from the 'Jester feel' you get with Kuz, anyone else you feel is scummy

Vocal! I'm liking how you're posting right now. Plz keep it up. Do you feel there's anything scummy going on between me, Kirbyoshi, and Kuz? Also, don't be afraid to ask me stuff.

Oh yeah, and I asked you a question of something, but you actually answered it (which was if you played any other Mafia games before)

Sworddancer, I don't believe I remember you seeing anyone as scummy from the re-read. Do you actually find anyone scummy right one? If you do, who?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

why do you want to lynch me? For me trying to question the mod? Explain plz.

Rockin, take me in context pl0x. The statement/question was on the table (paraphrased): "The lynch toDay HAS to be Kirb or Rockin. Then we lynch the other one toMorrow. Which one does everybody want to see gone first?"

Kirbyoshi, Who would you rather lynch? You have not really expressed an opinion on this. You had voted for Rockin for pressure to talk iirc. Who do you find scummy now? Would you hop onto X1? If not who? If so, why?

If what you're saying about X1 is true, and if I don't find anyone better upon a reread, I'll be willing to hop on. I'll let you know in a minute.

@Sworddancer.'s 247: They were meant to answer questions posed to me. Why would you ask such a silly question?

 

[Rockin]

Rockin, take me in context pl0x. The statement/question was on the table (paraphrased): "The lynch toDay HAS to be Kirb or Rockin. Then we lynch the other one toMorrow. Which one does everybody want to see gone first?"

But see, then you could've said "Neither me or Rockin should be lynched." You know your lynch isn't going to garter any info and neither would mine. Yet, you CHOSE a lynch in favor of me. So again, "why?" There must've been a reason otherwise you wouldn't have said nothing at all.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Looking back, I'm actually not liking Teryble. I think they're flying under the radar a bit too much for my taste.

Unvote Rockin
Vote: Teryble Doom~

But see, then you could've said "Neither me or Rockin should be lynched." You know your lynch isn't going to garter any info and neither would mine. Yet, you CHOSE a lynch in favor of me. So again, "why?" There must've been a reason otherwise you wouldn't have said nothing at all.

"Neither" was not a choice. Have you ever tried to actually use logic when arguing with Cello? I have, and it doesn't work. Scum or town.

 

[Tandora]

About #3, Kuz was probably referring to something that happened in Youtube memes mafia. Immendiatly X1 pulled a gambit and lied about being N0 cop with a guilty on Swiss (Swiss actually ended up being Godfather, lol). Kuz telling people to pile votes onto him was probably reffering to that, as a joke.

Btw, if we actually find good reason to believe someone to be jester (for example, if he claims jester, which probably won't happen), then it's actually in the best interest not to lynch him. There's no point and sending town into the Night by lynching someone who we do not actually find to be a threat. This is the second biggest part of what I don't get about the purposel to quicklynch Kuz (even if he is a jester).

If that was his reason, how was it helpful to town? Was X1 actually a cop that game?

Kuz, could you answer why you said there was a legit guilty read on you?

 

[Tandora]

Tandora : I do NOT like men. I am perfectly happy with my love with women. I just see him wanting to lynch me as him hitting on me (which I ain't interested in >>)

Aside from the 'Jester feel' you get with Kuz, anyone else you feel is scummy?

That's not what I heard from the grapevine. >.>

As far as scummy players, it's still a little early from me. I probably say this every game, but I don't really get invested until D2.

Would definitely like to hear more from Bed now that you're posting.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I would have accepted "neither". Rockin with some sort of good reason would have been good too, but given his behavior, I doubt you would have found one.

 

[X1-12]

J you idiot, I explained why DH was town in #146, AND both me and cello 'translated' his one liner that was hard to read. Me in 175 and Cello in #177/ wrt Ranmaru I would lynch him for stuff normally considered noobtown because I know Ran knows better than that and if he tries to get away with the noobcard then he should die. Unvoting in RVS is scummy because it shows you are afraid to leave your vote somewhere when there is no harm, no-one is going to get lynched, and your vote is not serious, hence the name RVS. I also haven't ever buddyed Cello, I've agreed with his stances that's not the same thing and even if it was the circumstances are completely different, kuz had just been attacked by cello and wanted to get out of it, it was a stupid time to ask to be buddies. You then later on go to say you want me lynched out of POLICY. Later more ridiculosity when you manage to twist me saying DH is town into an "auto-clear"

@Cello: wrt #290 I thought you were telling Tan to put me on her scumlist hence why I thought you were being wrong

lol@tan thinks I'm always scum so never lynches me

@Rockin: I disagree with you if you think wagonning on D1 is a bad play

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Cello: wrt #290 I thought you were telling Tan to put me on her scumlist hence why I thought you were being wrong

Why did you think this?

 

[X1-12]

If that was his reason, how was it helpful to town? Was X1 actually a cop that game?

Kuz, could you answer why you said there was a legit guilty read on you?

I won it for town but gboy seemed to think it was purely down to luck and refuses to give me MVP because of it. I was actually cop (but not N0)

 

[X1-12]

Why did you think this?

I skimmed it, saw "@Cello, between Rockin and KY, I'd go for KY." (assuming it was a scumlist) and then you said she forgot X1 which I thought meant you wanted to me on her scumlist

 

[Rockin]

That's not what I heard from the grapevine. >.>

Those things speak of nothing BUT LIES. D:<

@Rockin: I disagree with you if you think wagonning on D1 is a bad play

Wagoning is not bad. It's the reason behind it that can be bad, especially if there's no reason for it at all. Why follow a empty wagon?

 

[X1-12]

Those things speak of nothing BUT LIES. D:<



Wagoning is not bad. It's the reason behind it that can be bad, especially if there's no reason for it at all. Why follow a empty wagon?

Do you genuinely not see the advantage in baseless wagonning on newer/weaker players in early game? Did you not see me do it in community on gboy (I think it was community) which essentially gave everyone a good town read on him when he cracked? Admittedly back then I was still too much a noob to read him well but everyone else knew it

 

[Rockin]

Do you genuinely not see the advantage in baseless wagonning on newer/weaker players in early game? Did you not see me do it in community on gboy (I think it was community) which essentially gave everyone a good town read on him when he cracked? Admittedly back then I was still too much a noob to read him well but everyone else knew it

Memory of it is pretty vague, but no I don't see the advantage of doing it. I'm sure if Omni and KevinM was playing here, they would see it. As for me though, no. That's only cause I usually target those with some sort of logic and pressure/wagon someone when there's a legitimate reason.

 

[ranmaru]

J you idiot, I explained why DH was town in #146, AND both me and cello 'translated' his one liner that was hard to read. Me in 175 and Cello in #177/ wrt Ranmaru I would lynch him for stuff normally considered noobtown because I know Ran knows better than that and if he tries to get away with the noobcard then he should die. Unvoting in RVS is scummy because it shows you are afraid to leave your vote somewhere when there is no harm, no-one is going to get lynched, and your vote is not serious, hence the name RVS. I also haven't ever buddyed Cello, I've agreed with his stances that's not the same thing and even if it was the circumstances are completely different, kuz had just been attacked by cello and wanted to get out of it, it was a stupid time to ask to be buddies. You then later on go to say you want me lynched out of POLICY. Later more ridiculosity when you manage to twist me saying DH is town into an "auto-clear"

Yeah in Newb 10 I have used the newb card purposely but sometimes it was also natural. But now I'm playing seriously and trying to defend myself better, without it.

Plus I thought it wasn't good to leave votes on for a long time, because then you aren't really "voting" them for a reason at all. "Hey wasn't that your RVS vote?" So basically how could you call someone scum when you are voting with your RVS vote.

That, is why I unvoted.

@X1: What is the advantage of baseless wagoning? Does it help us... become better, or is it just to get us out of the way?

@J: No. My mind isn't closed. I'd agree with you on X1, but right now I'll vote Sir Bed. I didn't remember to ask for Tanny though, haha. I just remembered you earlier in the thread and noticed you weren't here. : ]

Vote: Sir Bed

Where you at Sir B.

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal, Who ya looking at PERSONALLY? Is it still Cello from your vote on him? If not whom? If so why him again?[/COLOR]

I'm confused; why when I quote a post from J does it pop up as Rocking? I don't know what this means really...anyways,

My vote in actuality does currently reside on Cello, but I wouldn't call him scum. I think that his pressure isn't doing much, aside from perhaps stirring activity, but doesn't strike me as scummy. I voted him mostly because I didn't approve of the way he was doing things.

As far as who is scum...I don't know yet. I haven't gotten very good at identifying early scum tells, unfortunately. The best I can offer so far is that my opinion of X1 is leaning towards town right now. He was townie in the other game I played with him and he appears to be fitting the same profile as he did then - choosing one player and maintaining pressure until he finds a better reason to apply pressure to someone else. Not saying he's townie for sure, but he's not on my radar at the moment.

I'm reading through the game again to see if I can spot anything, but it'll be a little while before I can post about that; I'm at rehearsal with few breaks and I've been working on just this set of responses since before 4 hours ago.

Vocal! I'm liking how you're posting right now. Plz keep it up. Do you feel there's anything scummy going on between me, Kirbyoshi, and Kuz?

I don't feel at the moment that there's any connection between either of the three of you.

I'm glad that you've begun to post more. Being a murky figure doesn't help anyone, and if you continue to contribute then I won't have any problems with you for the time being.

As I stated earlier, I don't think Cello's case on KY is solid enough to justify a lynch yet. I don't see much to it, but I'm still keeping my eyes and ears open to see if anything arises

After going back and reading through the first two pages (most of which I rushed through trying to figure out what on Earth the DBZ/Day 3 flavor meant), I really don't think the case on Kuz is strong enough either. The way I see it, if a person can determine that a person has a somewhat good chance of not being scum (even is this opinion may change later) then it is helpful to set that person on a back burner and focus on more suspicious target. I haven't been around long enough to be familiar with anyone's meta (aside from loose conclusions on X1 and Sir Bed from Majora's Mask mafia), but if I did I would attempt to follow a similar strategy - compare the person's play to his meta then determine if I should focus on him or move on.

But see, then you could've said "Neither me or Rockin should be lynched." You know your lynch isn't going to garter any info and neither would mine. Yet, you CHOSE a lynch in favor of me. So again, "why?" There must've been a reason otherwise you wouldn't have said nothing at all.

WIFOM, if I'm not mistaken. What do you actually hope to accomplish by asking KY this?

(P.S. SOOOOO tempted to start referring to KirbYoshi as "Mr. Jelly")

 

[-Vocal-]

Oh wow, also a lot of things have been posted since I started that post @_@ Sorry if i was redundant with something someone else said or I haven't responded to something I should yet; I'll work on another post the next break I get

 

[-Vocal-]

Read through recent posts, don't have much to say about them, nothing important anyhow. Also, did Ronike delete/add some posts or something? Even though I quoted J (you can search for the quoted section and it comes up under him) the link leads to a post by Rockin