Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[ranmaru]

@Ranmaru: I jumped the gun when I offered my friendship. But before I go on, in your post #191, you quoted X1 saying something. Just to be sure, were you aware that he was talking about Dark Horse in that quote, and not me?

Why, did you think I meant you? I was referring to DH, sorry. I meant that I noticed him doing one of the association arguments (from Mafia scum) in a game somewhere in a forbidden land of... cheese...

I quoted you and X1. You must of thought I meant you since I had your quote...But I forgot to put anything into it.

I just wanted to ask who or what the "new me" means, but would it do anything new game wise? Did you mean that you weren't doing anything new so far?. (I'll still question your motives either way)

@Rockin: Hi Rockin! : ] I might have played with you on aimaf. Anyways, this is my ... 4th game I think. : ] So I have a little experience, still learning and willing to improve.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I just wanted to ask who or what the "new me" means, but would it do anything new game wise? Did you mean that you weren't doing anything new so far?.

I was referencing something in the Social Thread. The Zodiac thing.

About the quotes thing, what did you intend to say to/about me? When you realized you had done that, why didn't you correct it by way of a second post?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Maybe I will go back and do a little bit of analyzation on DBZ, just to see what I can find. Maybe to see who I "replaced in for." >.>

Also, hai Vokester. Maybe the Oli boards should visit me more, eh?

@Vocal: If scum targetted the BP Night 1, why was there no kill last Night?

This doesn't feel like it was simply goofing around. You read Vocal's post, then actually argued against it. It could be so that you look like you're doing something, or wasting time, but I don't get that RVS feel, even if it took place during that time. I feel this way due to your previous quote; it has a feeling of buckling down and getting to business...and this was the business you chose?

@Vokester: If you read the DBZ thread, there was at least one Mafia member dead when it fell apart. My thought is that this game really has nothing to do with DBZ, other than sharing a couple posts, and coming in mid-game is something interesting Ronike just decided to do.

I don't really get the purpose of this. The second part, sure, because it needed to be said. But, were you really expecting everyone to read through the old game? Why not, oh I don't know, play this one?

Sworddancer. dead yet?

Copies me, a townie.

Show me one content post he's made this entire game and I'll withdraw.

This was said to Sworddancer, to put him on the spot. Sir Bed hadn't even posted by this point. Clearly, Kirbyoshi knew that Sword could not fulfill his request; why then bother to say this at all? To make it appear as though Sword was defending/aiding an ally that had yet to show up? Why not simply state that he wanted Sir Bed to post and this was his way of doing it?

I'm actually not sure yet, hence why I'm still in my RVS/fake D3 antics.

Everything up to this point was simply...antics? Reading DBZ seems pretty intense just to be playful seems a bit much doesn't it?

My point is, I don't care if it's "always" scum that goes after inactives first, I'm not gonna let Rockin coast.

Interesting that you took the Hard Line with Rockin, but not with Sir Bed.

 

[ranmaru]

I was referencing something in the Social Thread. The Zodiac thing.

About the quotes thing, what did you intend to say to/about me? When you realized you had done that, why didn't you correct it by way of a second post?

I didn't notice until my previous post. The part you are referring to is what I intended to say. (The new me thing)

Also, I'd want to wait a bit to see if Rockin contributes more before lynching him. Not too long though. It wasn't that much content.

Also, why do you want Kirbyoshi dead?

I feel as though Kuz seems scummier with his previous statement (about you being town due to meta) compared to Rockin/Kirbyoshi.

 

[Rockin]

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSS.

Also, Rockin, meta-ing the mod=bad juju. There MIGHT be a Jester here, whether Ronike "likes" them or not. If there is one, I do suspect it to be kuz. Although he may just be doing his best imitation of Blue Yoshi. So idk.

If you was to like a game you constructed, most often then not, a role a player might dislike would have less of a chance being in. Like I said, I'm pretty sure Ronike would not put a jester or anything in relation to it at all, especially if he was to have a bad experience with it.

@Rockin: No one has mentioned DBZ for the last 3 pages, except me, when I said I was glad we stopped talking about it. Who's still stuck on it?

Kuz isn't my relative. Your memory has failed you, just as you have failed your Faction

Unvote Vote Rockin for emphasis.

No one atm I believe, but I thought I still say my peice of it incase anyone might be still thinking that (that topic has stretched to a few pages early on).

And uh, yeah. sorry for the mixup lol

In anycase, I'll be off to work, but I'll post some more once I come back.

 

[Rockin]

Oh Kirbyoshi, I didn't know they were a hydra. Normally in games I'd see who the hydra consist of. lol

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Cello: That's a hard one to answer considering what a small amount of information we have. I suppose I would have to go with Kirbyoshi at this point, as he has actually has acted scummy (I actually do believe that the first one to attack inactives is a RVS tell, and plus a lot of his posts seem pointless). The only thing against Rockin at this point in my book is his inactivity, which I'll trust him to change.

speaking of pointlessness . . .

@Kirbyoshi: What is the point of 190 and 196? What purpose do they serve?

Well, I found it weird that Cello ignored me and still was for a Rockin lynch, while I had near the same amount of posts.

Then I just had a hard time settling into the other conversation.

Wait, I'm not understanding your answer. Are you saying that you were inactive because you simply didn't know what to say?

 

[Cello_Marl]

I didn't notice until my previous post. The part you are referring to is what I intended to say. (The new me thing)

Oh, ok.

@Sword: Did you mean to say "scum tell" instead of "RVS tell"?

@Ranmaru: Kirbyoshi's stance against Sworddancer is unreasonably rough and confrontational. He's taking whatever chance he can to lash out at Sword, rather than trying to determine whether he is Town or Scum.

For now, I disagree about Kuz, although I understand why you feel the way you do. However, look at it this way; if Rockin turns out to be scum, then he would have to be in private communication with Kuz if Kuz were scum as well. Is that were so, then Rockin wouldn't have thought that Kuz was related to me in real life (the mistake he made in his first post). So, if Rockin is scum, then Kuz very probably is not.

@Kuz: Will you please interact with Ranmaru until he feels that you are town?

 

[ranmaru]

@Sword: No. There were a few convos going on, the Kuz convo, DBZ mafia convo, kirbyoshi convo. I wasn't interested in the DBZ mafia convo.

I wasn't inactive. I had posted a few posts before you said that. Just things are going slow in RVS. That is all. (Plus, things are picking up, and as you can see I have posted)

Plus, I'm more active than Rockin atm.

Why was it hard for you to understand? I think you were trying to twist my words.

 

[-Vocal-]

@Sworddancer, Ranmaru, and Vocal (and Tanny I guess if she wants): Who would you rather lynch first between Kirbyoshi and Rockin? Knowing that we'll be lynching the other one toMorrow. Oh, and that we'll be doing this lynch within the next 48 hours.

Isn't this WIFOM or some shiz like that? I'll answer your question, but with the preface that it is answering a decision between those two and does not adhere to the course of action you've laid out: KirbYoshi.

That said, I would be more inclined to lynch you than either of them. You nearly seem to be in a rush to finish the day, which I identify as a scumtell; town has more to gain the more people post. I don't know your meta, so perhaps this is how you play every game, but if it's serious then it doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Vocal: I'm being serious. So, what would it take for me to convince you to want to lynch Kirbyoshi over me toDay? Or Rockin. Either is fine, since their scum flip makes Kuz look better. Don't you think?

@Ran: You were the one that said you had a number of posts close to Rockin, who had none. What other conclusion is to made other than that you were inactive? I think both you and Sworddancer are picking at each other for no good reason, and you both need to work that out as soon as possible.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Ranmaru: To be more specific, Sword was confused by your answer, just as he said. It didn't really make sense to him, so he was trying to get a clarification. That's all.

 

[ranmaru]

Well I mean that at the time, I was merely only talking to you, and expected an answer, and wasn't in the other convos as of yet.

Even though I did say I had near the same posts as Rockin, I meant that he might have been trying to make it seem like I didn't know what to say to scumhunt.

Although I admit it is my fault for wording incorrectly. But even so, we should get past this. As I'm posting more, this argument becomes useless.

 

[ranmaru]

@Cello: How do you know he was trying to get a clarification? It's possible from reading his response to see that he seemed confused and was trying to get a clarification; That is why I asked him why it was hard for him to understand. I want to see his response so I can read from it.

I mean, my post didn't seem hard to understand to me. I said two reasons why I didn't post much, and he wanted to draw further onto it.

1. I thought it was odd you kept pushing for Rockin, when I had almost the same post count.
2. I already posted pertaining to the kuz convo (a bit) and a bit with the kirbyoshi convo. DBZ, wasn't interested.

It's fine that he would want to, but I just think my reasons weren't hard to understand.

Do you think it was hard to understand?

I'm sure it's not a big deal, it should be fine once he responds.

 

[-Vocal-]

@Vocal: I'm being serious. So, what would it take for me to convince you to want to lynch Kirbyoshi over me toDay? Or Rockin. Either is fine, since their scum flip makes Kuz look better. Don't you think?

What would it take? About 4-5 more days real time.

Also, I may have not been paying attention properly, but what's the case on Kuz? Taking flavor too seriously, iirc? Tbh I don't see how either of those two flipping scum would reflect anything on Kuz solid enough to make judgments off of. The game has practically just begun; if we were to lynch one of those two right now, there would be little information to make a good connection between him and Kuz. We shall see as time goes by.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Me saying "I don't understand" is pretty much the same as asking for clarification. I was twisting words in no way shape or form.

1. I thought it was odd you kept pushing for Rockin, when I had almost the same post count.

I still don't understand this, though, and I think it's what's really confusing me. How was this a reason for why you were not posting?

@Cello: I actually did mean to say "RVS tell." By "RVS tell," I meant a scum tell in the RVS.

 

[Tandora]

Although this struck me funny as well. @Tanny: Do you WANT Jester to win (provided there is one)?

Wait...I thought Jesters had to self-hammer.

Tanny and Kuz - ....does Cello have some sort of huge man crush on me? He seems to always like me (by lynching me). I'm seeing his reasons against me are him flirting.

Rockin, I agree with your post overall. However, your estimation of Cello is completely wrong. There are some people he likes to tunnel. It varies from person to person. First there was FF, then there was J, and now you. (I'm sure there were people inbetween, but those are the ones I thought of)

I'm glad to see you're more comfortable with your own sexuality to be okay with the thought of Cello man crushing on you. But the simple fact is you'll never be more than frenemies.

@Cello, between Rockin and KY, I'd go for KY. I'd like to see more from Rockin, but I think his posts so far fit what I have seen of his town play. Haven't played with KY in a while so seeing his reaction to pressure would be good.

VOTE KIRBYOSHI

 

[Teryble Doom~]

@Mod: Vote count?

I need to consult my other head if I'm going to be changing a vote.

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Vote count?

I need to consult my other head if I'm going to be changing a vote.

If he doesn't like it he can change it.


Vote.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

SO let me get this straight, we're lynching kirb for saying that bringing up dead topics is not scummy?

 

[X1-12]

If he doesn't like it he can change it.


Vote.

To clarify, wait for and check the votecount, if he's not at L-1 then Vote kirbyoshi

@Vocal: Do you have any objections if I literally ignore your posts with the exception of when you ask me questions and/or someone specifically asks me about you? This is to prevent me or you getting angry again, Majoras you know. To clarify this isn't a personal attack, our playstyles/personalities just clash so this is me trying to avoid that.

Sorry guys soo busy toNight, will post toMorrow. In the meantime Kirbyoshi is a good direction

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Tanny: You forgot X1.

@Rockin and Kirbyoshi: Why do you refuse to talk about important subjects, including each other?

@Ranmaru: At the time that you first said that you thought my pressuring Rockin over you was odd, you had 8 posts. Rockin had 0. That's comparatively huge difference, even if half of your posts were goofing off/RVS. Rockin literally had no presence; he needed to be forced to make an appearance. You weren't more active than Rockin "atm", you have been more active than Rockin the WHOLE game.

@Dark Horse: Yes, DH. That's EXACTLY why we're lynching Kirbyoshi. It's not because he kept attacking Sworddancer for no reason at all well past RVS, including the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" tunneling/backed off moment. It's not because he tried to portray himself as Superhero Kirbyoshi by being the one who went back to DBZ to reread it for clues to help us all. It's not because he said Kuz isn't scum (buddying up to him), and yet did not either back it up or try to stop the momentum building up against him. Such as your hate of Kuz. Why doesn't he talk to you about how you think Kuz is scum? Shouldn't he see Kuz's scummy behavior (whatever that is, I don't see it either). It's not because he's more interested in Social Thread references than playing the game. It's not because he thought Sir Bed's posts were legit, when they are flaming piles of incandescent moonbow magical death stupid monkey barrels that need to be purified in the holy light of Chimmy Changa Taco. It's not because he's twice made excuses for his behavior. It's not because he gave Rockin a hard time for being inactive, but then tried to portray him in as good a light as possible after he "got into the game" (he hasn't yet, really).

Oh wait, it's all those things.

 

[-Vocal-]

To clarify, wait for and check the votecount, if he's not at L-1 then Vote kirbyoshi

@Vocal: Do you have any objections if I literally ignore your posts with the exception of when you ask me questions and/or someone specifically asks me about you? This is to prevent me or you getting angry again, Majoras you know. To clarify this isn't a personal attack, our playstyles/personalities just clash so this is me trying to avoid that.

Sorry guys soo busy toNight, will post toMorrow. In the meantime Kirbyoshi is a good direction

Sure, I overreacted quite a bit last time but I understand wanting to take precautions.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

This doesn't feel like it was simply goofing around. You read Vocal's post, then actually argued against it. It could be so that you look like you're doing something, or wasting time, but I don't get that RVS feel, even if it took place during that time. I feel this way due to your previous quote; it has a feeling of buckling down and getting to business...and this was the business you chose?

You read it wrong then. The bit about the Oli boards was completely joking, the part about reading the DBZ thread was kind of a "sneak peek," and the question was mostly reaction fishing.

I don't really get the purpose of this. The second part, sure, because it needed to be said. But, were you really expecting everyone to read through the old game? Why not, oh I don't know, play this one?

If I were expecting EVERYONE to read DBZ, I would have said something like "look at post 683." And I didn't even read all of it anyway, I skimmed. Mostly for the votecounts. And after I found out for sure that it had nothing to do with this game, everything after that was kidding.

Copies me, a townie.

Funny how people with the same win condition tend to say some of the same things, isn't it?

This was said to Sworddancer, to put him on the spot. Sir Bed hadn't even posted by this point. Clearly, Kirbyoshi knew that Sword could not fulfill his request; why then bother to say this at all? To make it appear as though Sword was defending/aiding an ally that had yet to show up? Why not simply state that he wanted Sir Bed to post and this was his way of doing it?

This was my attempt at a humorous way to say that yes, I did simply want Sir Bed to post.

Everything up to this point was simply...antics? Reading DBZ seems pretty intense just to be playful seems a bit much doesn't it?

Already said that I didn't read all of it, just mostly the votecounts.

Interesting that you took the Hard Line with Rockin, but not with Sir Bed.

Why? It's pretty obvious that I did it because it was later when I went after ("Took the Hard Line with," sounds like a kinky Monopoly variant) Rockin. Inactivity later is more scummy than inactivity earlier.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Considering that you voted for him after his response on rockin's revival of dead topics, I assumed that's what you pegged him for.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Also, @Tanny: In my experience, Jesters don't have to self-hammer. But I don't think I've ever encountered one on SWF, so idk what the convention is here (inb4Cellosayingconventionistonothavethem).

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@mod: Votecount

 

[X1-12]

Out for tonight, super busy with other stuff sorry

DH is still town, despite his efforts to prove to me otherwise

Kirbyo is probably town actually

Cello is back to his old ways of being wrong again

 

[-Vocal-]

@Tanny: You forgot X1.

@Rockin and Kirbyoshi: Why do you refuse to talk about important subjects, including each other?

@Ranmaru: At the time that you first said that you thought my pressuring Rockin over you was odd, you had 8 posts. Rockin had 0. That's comparatively huge difference, even if half of your posts were goofing off/RVS. Rockin literally had no presence; he needed to be forced to make an appearance. You weren't more active than Rockin "atm", you have been more active than Rockin the WHOLE game.

@Dark Horse: Yes, DH. That's EXACTLY why we're lynching Kirbyoshi. It's not because he kept attacking Sworddancer for no reason at all well past RVS, including the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" tunneling/backed off moment. It's not because he tried to portray himself as Superhero Kirbyoshi by being the one who went back to DBZ to reread it for clues to help us all. It's not because he said Kuz isn't scum (buddying up to him), and yet did not either back it up or try to stop the momentum building up against him. Such as your hate of Kuz. Why doesn't he talk to you about how you think Kuz is scum? Shouldn't he see Kuz's scummy behavior (whatever that is, I don't see it either). It's not because he's more interested in Social Thread references than playing the game. It's not because he thought Sir Bed's posts were legit, when they are flaming piles of incandescent moonbow magical death stupid monkey barrels that need to be purified in the holy light of Chimmy Changa Taco. It's not because he's twice made excuses for his behavior. It's not because he gave Rockin a hard time for being inactive, but then tried to portray him in as good a light as possible after he "got into the game" (he hasn't yet, really).

Oh wait, it's all those things.

Unvote Vote: Cello_Marl

This irks me far too much to pass by. In your first question, you imply that Kirb and Rockin aren't discussing anything important, including each other?

Is making you laugh a legitimate reason to back off of someone?

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSS.

Also, Rockin, meta-ing the mod=bad juju. There MIGHT be a Jester here, whether Ronike "likes" them or not. If there is one, I do suspect it to be kuz. Although he may just be doing his best imitation of Blue Yoshi. So idk.

But srsly, I don't find the fact that he brought up dead topics suspicious. I think that's fairly common for ketchup posts. What I do find questionable is the mod meta. The fact he asked kuz about you (Cello) is.....interesting, to say the least. Why is kuz in the front of Rockin's mind?

@Rockin: Did you realize when you wrote your post that Teryble Doom~ is a hydra?

Three posts of Kirb's, two of which are questioning Rockin's actions. Your question would not have bothered me if it was only directed at Rockin but you include Kirb in your accusation, meaning that you must not be paying attention and have simply set your sights on the two of them, regardless of evidence or circumstance.

Additionally, your paragraph of reasoning as to why to vote for Kirb is full of logical fallacies and assumptions. You are placing way too much emphasis on someone without a good enough reason too justify the amount of pressure.

It's possible that you're town and playing wildly to elicit activity, but for the time being you are my primary suspicion.

 

[Teryble Doom~]

@mod: Votecount

++votecount request.

I'm not sure about Cello at this point. I'm going to re-read everything again, just in case.

 

[Cello_Marl]

OMG, you people are useless...

Sworddancer [0]:
X1-12 [2]: th3kuzinator, J
th3kuzinator [2]: Dark Horse, Teryble Doom~,
Tandora [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Kirbyoshi [4]: Sworddancer., Cello_Marl, X1-12, Tandora
Cello_Marl [1]: -Vocal-
Sir Bedevere [0]:
Teryble Doom~ [0]:
Dark Horse [0]:
J [1]: Ranmaru,
-Vocal- [0]:
Rockin [1]: Kirbyoshi

Now tell me this; does this REALLY change your reads? NO. BECAUSE IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION, THEN YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHO WAS VOTING FOR WHO. This wasn't even very difficult to compile; very few people had the balls to actually vote.

I'll get back to what was said later; I have something else to take care of. In the meantime, does anyone agree with what Vocal said?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I do, but I hardly doubt you'd take it as legitimate.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Others might. By all means, talk about this. Rather than oli boards, or how somehow Rockin bringing up DBZ is legitimate content.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I never said it was legitimate content. Talking to you is useless, because you'll twist anything I say into "This proves Kirb is scum." Your strongest trait in the game of Mafia is your persistence, but sometimes (as here) it can be a bad thing. You're also a pain to try to get a read on.

@X1's 261: Are you trying to get out of trying to analyze Vocal's posts?

 

[X1-12]

no Im trying to get out of making vocal quit mafia forever.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Wait...

You AGREE with Vocal, the thesis of her post being that I'm the primary i.e. most suspicious person, and yet you ALSO state that I'm hard to get a read on? You also are AGREEING with Vocal on the BASIS of something that you are PERSONALLY aware that I do as town, and is my STRONGEST trait?

Do you not see how this is contradictory?

 

[Cello_Marl]

The above is @Kirbyoshi, if it isn't obvious from context.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

No no, I agree with Vocal that your "case" on me is full of assumptions and fallacies. But I don't find you scum for it. I think it's just classic Cello (that's what I was trying to say with my post).

 

[Cello_Marl]

And how the heck were we supposed to draw that you don't think I'm scum from "I [agree with Vocal], but I hardly doubt you'd take it as legitimate" when s/he said "...for the time being you are my primary suspicion" as the last part of her post?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Because the bulk of it was about how wrong your assumptions were. Cello, sometimes you can be so thick-headed.