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Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!
- Thread starter Ronike
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#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
=/ That's cool. Could you do that, please? Thanks.
Twas hoping I can post this thing after Ronike does my request, but I guess it should be said now. Just give me a small moment.
also, we're not lynching Ranmaru
also, we're not lynching Ranmaru
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Whenever you do post again, can you remind us of everyone you watched? Thanks.
Sorry for the long pause. After that post was given out, I was silenced for 24 hours. From the looks of the post, I don't think I said anything specific, considering the fact those words looked like either something everyone has said, or something totally generic
NO.
Sworddancer you know better then that. ):<
What happen to you 'throwing yourself for a lynch' last time or 'if delvro comes up as town, lynch me' type of mindset? Don't think I've forgotten, Nabe. >>
Listen up
We're not lynching Ranmaru, Swords, or Vocal at this point. I'll say why
sworddancer - confirmed town. Back from the dead. do I really need to say more?
ranmaru - I'm going to believe Vocal's track actions, therefore making him the confirmed doc. Kuz was killed on N4. Vocal tracked Ranmaru N4 and only went to one person (this was after Tandora was killed). If he did do the kill, he would've went to two people at the time.
Vocal - though he is indie faction, his Night track action seems pretty legitimate. He's the least person of the three I want to lynch
Obviously, this is who I want kept alive
Myself
Ranmaru
Sworddancer
All three of us are confirmed townies in every way and form, and I would rather start lynching from the others in this order
1)J/Nabe
2)Vocal
J - actions are a bit scummy, and I'm not liking the push on the possible doctor. Why push on the possible doc (thus knowing if he IS the doc, I would be an easy NK)? Doesn't make much sense at all. Not to mention, her role is both a town and anti-town role (meaning town and mafia can be it)
Nabe - slight sudden attitude change from last day. Plus, again, havn't seen anything townie worth. >>
Vocal - He's indie yo D:
at this point, Mafia is going to keep non-killing so as to make Vocal look bad/the reason of no nks.
wtf?
NO.
Sworddancer you know better then that. ):<
woah woah woah.
What happen to you 'throwing yourself for a lynch' last time or 'if delvro comes up as town, lynch me' type of mindset? Don't think I've forgotten, Nabe. >>
Yes, they can. They need to survive, whether it's with town or Mafia. They need to make sure they're not lynched.
Listen up
We're not lynching Ranmaru, Swords, or Vocal at this point. I'll say why
sworddancer - confirmed town. Back from the dead. do I really need to say more?
ranmaru - I'm going to believe Vocal's track actions, therefore making him the confirmed doc. Kuz was killed on N4. Vocal tracked Ranmaru N4 and only went to one person (this was after Tandora was killed). If he did do the kill, he would've went to two people at the time.
Vocal - though he is indie faction, his Night track action seems pretty legitimate. He's the least person of the three I want to lynch
Obviously, this is who I want kept alive
Myself
Ranmaru
Sworddancer
All three of us are confirmed townies in every way and form, and I would rather start lynching from the others in this order
1)J/Nabe
2)Vocal
J - actions are a bit scummy, and I'm not liking the push on the possible doctor. Why push on the possible doc (thus knowing if he IS the doc, I would be an easy NK)? Doesn't make much sense at all. Not to mention, her role is both a town and anti-town role (meaning town and mafia can be it)
Nabe - slight sudden attitude change from last day. Plus, again, havn't seen anything townie worth. >>
Vocal - He's indie yo D:
at this point, Mafia is going to keep non-killing so as to make Vocal look bad/the reason of no nks.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Pansies. Sometimes you have to push an old lady down to get to the ticking timebomb.Rockin said:
Rockin are you saying that you think the town should try to co-win with the indie?
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Err . . . disregaurd that last question, I skimmed some of it.
why vocal?
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Well I haven't been in the fray much because I've already given my opinions. They haven't really changed. I doubt that the mod would let mafia phrase his posts, so he's nearly confirmed town. That leaves Nabe.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Nabe > J. You, Rockin, and Swords are all town, and anyone who argues that fact should be highly examined.
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Nabe say for sake of argument that Vocal wins along side the town and we know this for sure. Would you be willing to be lynched toDay to proove your point?
Also I just realized that being a cleared townie makes you lazy. =/
Also I just realized that being a cleared townie makes you lazy. =/
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
I might go back and reread Day 1 at this rate. I just want to confirm rather or not there are any legit connections between Tery and the other scummates.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Am I the only one reading this game?
^^^ How Arthur from Inception could be an executioner role; I already pointed this out previously. Dude falls down a pit.
I know that seems sketchy, but from my point of view J has to be mafia, and this would be how. Ronike could hardly have said "X1 falls into a paradox hole" -- when things happen that could give away a player's alignment, as a mod you have to work around that. What he actually said was that X1 got kicked down a hole. That's not a confirmation of Leonidas, it's a confirmation that J is an executioner. Which is an anti-town role just as often as pro-town. The reason J was being considered town was his lynching of X1, not his role, and people seem to be forgetting that due to the length of the game. Along with a host of other facts.
Vocal, to the best of your knowledge, can you win with town? If you don't know, please ask in PMs and tell us the answer. Please answer this as a yes or no response only, without any extraneous material in your post.
Read the damn Day and see that we have new information from Vocal about his track targets. More importantly, Vocal claimed indy survivor at the end of the previous Day; did you miss that too? We are currently treating his survival as a loss condition, i.e. he cannot be left alive. Delvro looked like the best option, and we didn't have an indy to contend with until Vocal claimed. **** hit the fan and this situation is what we're left with.
Mafia do not no-kill, that is absolutely stupid. Even if they did, it would be in extraneous circumstances, not two times in a row. That's not to say J is obviously the culprit from a general town standpoint; far from it, because if killing is compulsive, the mafia could still target you, since we've had Ran target you and vice versa, thus causing a "no kill". What I think, however, is that we should trust that mafia has been performing to their wincon, or trying to.
Look, I know I'm town. If J is town, then we've lost. I don't have a lot of wiggle room here, I have to push J because I know that's our shot at winning according to Vocal.
But again, I say that I think we need to no-lynch. Current plan I have in mind is that Ran doesn't protect; or, he flips a coin to decide whether or not to protect, and then rolls a dice to decide his target. That way, we'll know whether or not killing is compulsive, because scum won't be likely or won't be able to target Ran's target. Vocal can track either me or J -- presumably, the one he sees killing is mafia, or on the flipside, the one he sees doing nothing is town. Rockin can watch Ran to make sure Ran doesn't die -- if Vocal dies, we'll have enough lynches to lynch both myself and J anyway, because we won't be saving one for Vocal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLUVaJt9JYk
^^^ How Arthur from Inception could be an executioner role; I already pointed this out previously. Dude falls down a pit.
I know that seems sketchy, but from my point of view J has to be mafia, and this would be how. Ronike could hardly have said "X1 falls into a paradox hole" -- when things happen that could give away a player's alignment, as a mod you have to work around that. What he actually said was that X1 got kicked down a hole. That's not a confirmation of Leonidas, it's a confirmation that J is an executioner. Which is an anti-town role just as often as pro-town. The reason J was being considered town was his lynching of X1, not his role, and people seem to be forgetting that due to the length of the game. Along with a host of other facts.
I didn't change any stances. Vocal started the Day by presenting his tracking reports -- new information that we previously didn't know has to be taken into account.
Yes, as long as J is lynched the following Day. There's no sense betting the game on Ran maybe being scum. Making it a J/me situation is at least narrowing down the pool of options.
Vocal, to the best of your knowledge, can you win with town? If you don't know, please ask in PMs and tell us the answer. Please answer this as a yes or no response only, without any extraneous material in your post.
Did you read the Day? It's posts like these that make me worry we're onto a red herring.
Read the damn Day and see that we have new information from Vocal about his track targets. More importantly, Vocal claimed indy survivor at the end of the previous Day; did you miss that too? We are currently treating his survival as a loss condition, i.e. he cannot be left alive. Delvro looked like the best option, and we didn't have an indy to contend with until Vocal claimed. **** hit the fan and this situation is what we're left with.
No, they aren't.
Mafia do not no-kill, that is absolutely stupid. Even if they did, it would be in extraneous circumstances, not two times in a row. That's not to say J is obviously the culprit from a general town standpoint; far from it, because if killing is compulsive, the mafia could still target you, since we've had Ran target you and vice versa, thus causing a "no kill". What I think, however, is that we should trust that mafia has been performing to their wincon, or trying to.
Look, I know I'm town. If J is town, then we've lost. I don't have a lot of wiggle room here, I have to push J because I know that's our shot at winning according to Vocal.
But again, I say that I think we need to no-lynch. Current plan I have in mind is that Ran doesn't protect; or, he flips a coin to decide whether or not to protect, and then rolls a dice to decide his target. That way, we'll know whether or not killing is compulsive, because scum won't be likely or won't be able to target Ran's target. Vocal can track either me or J -- presumably, the one he sees killing is mafia, or on the flipside, the one he sees doing nothing is town. Rockin can watch Ran to make sure Ran doesn't die -- if Vocal dies, we'll have enough lynches to lynch both myself and J anyway, because we won't be saving one for Vocal.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Rockin, please remind us who you watched. Also, who was online when you got silenced? Did you check?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
o.o Er.
I just mean that it should be Rockin's responsibility since he won't have to read through the thread to find them, Ran. Technically any of us could do it, but Rockin will have a quicker time of it.
I just mean that it should be Rockin's responsibility since he won't have to read through the thread to find them, Ran. Technically any of us could do it, but Rockin will have a quicker time of it.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Good news, everyone! /Professor Farnsworth's voice
Ronike has just informed me that I can, in fact, win alongside town.
I'm still befuddled of the question of who is mafia between J and Nabe, though only slightly. I'm inclined to say Nabe; while it is possible that the "kicked down a hole" or however it was phrased is a reference to Inception, but the man in Inception isn't kicked, he's pushed. For that reason I'm willing to believe J's townieness over Nabe's, sooooooo
Vote: Nabe
Ronike has just informed me that I can, in fact, win alongside town.
I'm still befuddled of the question of who is mafia between J and Nabe, though only slightly. I'm inclined to say Nabe; while it is possible that the "kicked down a hole" or however it was phrased is a reference to Inception, but the man in Inception isn't kicked, he's pushed. For that reason I'm willing to believe J's townieness over Nabe's, sooooooo
Vote: Nabe
Yes, I have read the day, and I said at the beginning of the day that if we could lynch vocal due to him being an indy. Did you forget that?
Yes, I understand that he's both an indy as well as a survivor, but he also has an ability that can help us narrow down scum, and from what I can understand, he can side with either town or mafia. To me, lynching him isn't a huge priority until I'm sure Mafia has been exposed of.
Listen here.
We have a Watcher watching a doc, and a doc doccing a watcher. There's a 100% confirmed townie on our side, as well as an executioner (while used his power in a town way, is a possible mafia role in general) AND....a unconfirmed townie (you Nabe). And to put icing on the cake, we have a indie who can track people as well as being BP under a certain condition.
You're gonna tell me this isn't one of those delicate times for Mafia's NOT to NK?
No. we're gonna keep on lynching. It's either we find scum or die trying. I refuse to lose for town.
You mean last night?
I watched Ramnaru, and no one visited him. As for was online, I didn't check. I don't do that sort of thing anyway, as it leads to false leads (whether it's it being dumb in general or the fact I don't have everyone on my AIM list)
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Has J ever been silenced? It only logically follows that the last mafia is the one silencing people, as I don't think a townie would have a reason to right now. If J's been silenced before then that's just more reason why we should lynch Nabe over J - does anyone have a list of those silenced?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
'kay, this isn't how I asked you to phrase that statement, please restate. Also, the thing in Inception isn't that he pushed someone down a hole, it's that he created a paradox hole with the Penrose steps.
Right. And then you said this.
So... you didn't expect the game to end after a lynch of J or myself?
I agree. Which is why my plan is beneficial, because it exposes mafia, and you should read it and address its content instead of shrugging it off.
You're selling this situation as larger than it is. Assuming that scum is within myself and J, there's the watcher watching the doc, doc doccing the watcher, and a confirmed townie. J's claimed town power can't do anything to Nabescum, and my claim can't do anything to Jscum. And the first night we had no kill, there wasn't a claimed indie tracker, but rather Vocal the claimed VT. So there was no one to worry about w.r.t. not killing -- you and Ran were busy targeting each other. Scum could've killed Swords or Vocal without worry.
Someone might've no-killed last Night with a tracker lurking around, that's plausible, but they certainly didn't no-kill the Night before.
This is brushing off my post without actually addressing the content. Be detailed. Why is my plan is a "loss for town"?
I meant the list of everyone you've targeted all game and your results as such. As for not checking, fair point.
I'm fairly certain that list consists of just Kuz, myself, and Rockin.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
The answer to Nabe's question is yes, I can win alongside town, as per a private message reply that Ronike sent me this morning
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Thanks.
Rockin, are you scum? Please answer this question in the post after the one in which you respond to 2104, with a simple yes or no answer and no extraneous material in your post.
Rockin, are you scum? Please answer this question in the post after the one in which you respond to 2104, with a simple yes or no answer and no extraneous material in your post.
Omg I had a fricking epiphany.
Okay please please please PLEASE do not end the day until I say what I think really needs to be considered. Couple of questions that will help:
Vocal, you cannot silence people yes?
Rockin, why you so cool? Also you called me a her therfore should be shunned ;_;
Ranmaru, Full-Claim, Night Actions, and everything. You are JUST a doc riiiiight~?
Nabe, why you so contradicting/scrambling? I have never seen you like this.
Swords, I wish I could give you something but I actually found something you can do to extremely help me out. Do an ISO and look at Ran for me. Also if you get bored; Think about this. Who has been silenced, who hasn't, when were the silenced(be VERY specific) and intentions on silencing them? (Let me tell you the first one is really REALLY easy.)
Also I have a list of things that should be done as well for night actions. I'll be back when I can but I get really busy during the school week especially that I am going to study sessions for Driving Tests and stuff x_X" Forgive me.
Okay please please please PLEASE do not end the day until I say what I think really needs to be considered. Couple of questions that will help:
Vocal, you cannot silence people yes?
Rockin, why you so cool? Also you called me a her therfore should be shunned ;_;
Ranmaru, Full-Claim, Night Actions, and everything. You are JUST a doc riiiiight~?
Nabe, why you so contradicting/scrambling? I have never seen you like this.
Swords, I wish I could give you something but I actually found something you can do to extremely help me out. Do an ISO and look at Ran for me. Also if you get bored; Think about this. Who has been silenced, who hasn't, when were the silenced(be VERY specific) and intentions on silencing them? (Let me tell you the first one is really REALLY easy.)
Also I have a list of things that should be done as well for night actions. I'll be back when I can but I get really busy during the school week especially that I am going to study sessions for Driving Tests and stuff x_X" Forgive me.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
Can this wait to Friday? I have a midterm tomarrow.
Also btw guys this should be obvious but we cannot take Vocal's word that he can win alongside town as guaranteed truth. OF COURSE he's going to tell town that he can win with them, he's not going to say otherwise and thus guarantee his lose.
ranmaru
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-Vocal-
Smash Hero
I know this is an issue, but if I wanted to play that angle then I would have just said I could win alongside town from the get go. At least twice I stated that the wording of my role pm was too murky to tell
#HBC | Dancer
The nicest of the damned.
This is a fallacy. Yes, the smartest thing you could of done is this, but you could of simply not thought of it at the time.
Why didn't you say N7?
*claps for Swords*
Anyways, yes it can wait because I might just say it when I can.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
What I was implying. Still, if someone proposed the idea to me before, why would I wait until later to decided to go along with it? Once again, this is just the most sensible route, but recognize that this is still reason to believe me more. Not 100%, but more.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
Lol I found this quite funny because it was a sneak jab at me. Why should they be "highly examined"?