Inception mafia: Town and Indy Joint Win!

[Tandora]

Tandora, you're online right now. If you do not post, I am gunning for you non-stop ToMorrow, regardless of how few connections you have.

Vocal, I didn't even see the thread until today. I was hip deep in another game I am extremely active in. I apologize deeply for my bad play so far. I am currently rereading the thread and taking notes. However, I also skip to the end to see if there have been new posts and I have some comments.

Lynch X1 toMorrow, regardless of what alignment Joey flips. Actually, especially if he flips scum.

I hate this type of play. No matter what Joey said and no matter what his alignment, you're gonna lynch that person tomorrow? On what grounds?

And to be honest, Joey wanted to self-hammer is unfortunately completely in character for how he plays as town. He gets mad and wants to die instead of toughing it out.

I have seen that investigative role have been told to target me. I'm fine with that. It will be nice to be cleared so I can take my time on getting caught up.

 

[Rockin]

When catching up, didn't find a lot of things catching my eye. I'm willing to lynch TD based on the fact he's being unhelpful...with his AtE and needing to self hammer.

Either TD or Kirbyoshi is fine with me. We don't need townies who's gonna cry if he's doing something wrong. =/

....What else can I claim besides VT and Jack Sparrow? >_> I'm not going to BS stuff into it. That's my role. >_>.

Funny how you just said 'Jack Sparrow' and not your role in the same post.

Tandora, you're online right now. If you do not post, I am gunning for you non-stop ToMorrow, regardless of how few connections you have.

I really dislike players like this. Like I can't browse onto the site without getting blamed. >>

I'm also not seeing what's so scummy about X1-12. Mind Elaborating, J?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Yeah TD, if your town, then posting a scum list will only help lead to your wincon. Remember, townies can still win even if they are dead.

When catching up, didn't find a lot of things catching my eye. I'm willing to lynch TD based on the fact he's being unhelpful...with his AtE and needing to self hammer.

Either TD or Kirbyoshi is fine with me. We don't need townies who's gonna cry if he's doing something wrong. =/

don't be a robot

 

[Cello_Marl]

In an hour or so, I won't be around for the next 24 or so hours. Oh well.

 

[-Vocal-]

Just addressing some things quickly before class.

Ranmaru and X1-12 have been playing like trash for the past couple pages. We have pointed this out--on Ranmaru moreso than X1-12 and both of them don't even seem to read what we have put out against them. Then? The entire town doesn't ****ing seem to care that they have completely ignored us calling them out on their stupid play, either.

I said this before. I'm waiting for Ranmaru to post once more so I can pin him down yet again before I self-vote. You apparently don't seem to read my posts, either.

Afaik, or at least from what I've seen, that's just how X1 plays. I still need to look up a game in which he is mafia, but in the last game I played with him he was town and did pretty much the same thing. His playstyle alone isn't enough reason for me to lynch him right now.

Vocal, I didn't even see the thread until today. I was hip deep in another game I am extremely active in. I apologize deeply for my bad play so far. I am currently rereading the thread and taking notes. However, I also skip to the end to see if there have been new posts and I have some comments.



I hate this type of play. No matter what Joey said and no matter what his alignment, you're gonna lynch that person tomorrow? On what grounds?

And to be honest, Joey wanted to self-hammer is unfortunately completely in character for how he plays as town. He gets mad and wants to die instead of toughing it out.

I have seen that investigative role have been told to target me. I'm fine with that. It will be nice to be cleared so I can take my time on getting caught up.

So are you saying that you believe TD is town aligned? If so, who would you rather us lynch today?

iiiI really dislike players like this. Like I can't browse onto the site without getting blamed. >>

I'm also not seeing what's so scummy about X1-12. Mind Elaborating, J?

Well she hadn't been here in a few days. I don't care for that. Had she been posting regularly I wouldn't have called her out.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Teryble, i was talking about your points against ran, not ran's posts

 

[Ronike]

For those that missed:

Vote Count (7/13 to lynch):

Sworddancer [0]:
X1-12 [1]: Teryble Doom~,
th3kuzinator [1]: Dark Horse,
Tandora [0]:
Ranmaru [0]:
Kirbyoshi [3]: Cello_Marl, Sir Bedevere, Rockin,
Cello_Marl [1]: -Vocal-,
Sir Bedevere [0]:
Teryble Doom~ [4]: Ranmaru, X1-12, Kirbyoshi, Sworddancer.,
Dark Horse [1]: th3kuzinator,
J [0]:
-Vocal- [0]:
Rockin [0]:

Not Voting: Tandora, J,

Actvities:
Tery: 1/20
DH: 1/20
J: 1/20
Vocal: 1/20
Sword: 1/19
X1: 1/19
Ran: 1/19
Kirb: 1/19
Cello: 1/19
Bed: 1/19
Kuz: 1/18
Tandora: 1/18
Rockin: 1/18

Also deadline is in 34 hours.

 

[-Vocal-]

Unvote: Cello

 

[ranmaru]

@About Vocal: I guess Vocal thought everyone was set on TD for a lynch toDAY. Does Vocal's stance match up with this?

@Question to Vocal:
same to you. Why did you unvote Cello without reasoning? What does this mean?

@Kirb and SwordDancer:

List three points why TD should die toDAY, since you have your votes on him too.

@Tery:


This actually gets your point across.

I'm sorry, I thought it would give the same point.

You're asking for Mafia picks and reasons aside from "inactive", but yet you're not questioning X1-12's mere voting of myself with two other players with no reason at all? Would X1-12 honestly be voting us after seeing your flawed argument? What are your opinions / analysis of X1-12? Especially after antagonizing us for something he did? You even mention this in the line below. You seem to be completely okay with X1-12 voting us for no reason. What does this say about you?

I gave some opinions. Before I had weaker stances and now I agree X1 seemed to agree with Cello.

Now, here's what gets me about you:

"We said we're only making ONE case J, because we don't want 3 PEOPLE lynched. We chose X1. Sorry."

You said you were sticking to those three people. (Now this statement refers to one person only, but you stated something before like this) That's why I have been on you. That's why I asked for 2-3 more scum picks. There's alot of people playing here that could be scum besides J,kuz, and x1, and I didn't think what you were doing was enough. I didn't think saying J is scum because he wanted X1 gone was solid, and Kuz for his reaction-test thing. (It was null in my pov)

X1, does seem scummy. That's one for you.

Minimum 2. If you only said two it would have been fine. You were sticking to J, Kuz, and X1. X1 would be legitimate, but not J and Kuz.

I don't want you to hammer yourself.

Also, I am not the type to throw insults out to anyone so I can never understand why people get angry at me. ;-;

I'm sorry with my wording, but I don't want you to self-destruct (no matter how tempting!) because of me.

So, why do you think Cello and X1 want you dead? I'm sure everyone else might just end your misery because of your reaction, though. Here is your chance to prove me/us wrong.

We chose X1 over you. Sucks. We said we'd only make one case.

Null read. We haven't seen too many suspicious things that would put him over X1.

Probably Cello. Cop always needs to be sure that he's town before he leads everything.

Sir B because he was really late to contributing and his contributions weren't really that great.

Probably Kirbyoshi, honestly.

gtg :D will respond to rest later if Tery doesn't hammer.[/color]

Why only make one case?

Hmmmm. I don't agree with the Sir B pick. He came in late, but he was creating discussion, even asking for scum picks from me. You never said anything about this before when voting him.

We can't be so sure on D1 for Cello. We should also read his intentions, not just rely on the cop all the way.

Kirb, honestly? Why honestly?

Tery don't hammer. : [ If there is something that I missed, please re-post it and I will make SURE to reply to it.

 

[ranmaru]

@Tery:

I also noticed that you hadn't really said anything about Sworddancer and Kirb voting you. You just focused on me.

Sworddancer voted you for using "Other head johns"

Kirb voted you because he meant to vote you earlier.

Any comments on this?

 

[ranmaru]

@Cello: Why do you want TD dead today? Give me four reasons.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Dang Ran what's up with these arbitrary numbers that you're coming up with? Well anyways here one of the three reasons:

His flipout. I generally dislike the term AtE, because it makes it sound like anyone who is emotional is atomatically scummy. I completly disagree with this. I mean, we're all humans here, emotion is a pretty common thing.

Now, that said, I also hate how Tery decided to have it right after KY's little emotional outburst. One big AtE is enough for one game, we don't need two consecutive ones. I'm a tad suspicious of the fact that Tery's came right after KY's, which "worked" (not saying that KY intentially AtE, just that Tery might trying to "copy" off of him).

Another reason is the inconsistancies between the two heads of the hydras. They really should be discussing everything. They should not be blaming slip ups on the other half. That's a bad tecnique to use as a hydra because it allows them to avoid all of thier mistakes.

Finally, the last reason is simply because, out of all of mine conidates for lynches toDay, theirs seems the most realistic.

Anyways, in short, I'm fine with Tery's lynch toDay.

@J: I'm still waiting for you to explain what it is about X1's play that seperates it from bad townie X1 and actually scummy X1.

@X1: Remember to answer my earlier question to you, okay?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

TD, if you flip town, we are going to pay close attention to your town list toMorrow. There is absolutely no reason for you to withhold it from us.

There's also absolutely no reason for town players to accuse us of being Mafia because we did not provide concrete support with any of our votes (barring inactives) and then neglect other players who have done so.

I know there's that stupid "Hate hydras" rule, but this extent is quite ridiculous.

When catching up, didn't find a lot of things catching my eye. I'm willing to lynch TD based on the fact he's being unhelpful...with his AtE and needing to self hammer.

Unhelpful? We've been pointing out serious flaws in Ranmaru's arguments for the past page or so. That's unhelpful? Explain. What were your opinions on Ranmaru's baseless claims? Did you really have no opinions on them? Did anyone from town find them suspicious at all?

I don't remember what AtE is, but I really don't think it matters at this point. Also, if you actually read our comments, I said I would self-hammer after Ranmaru makes another flawed post, which I will refer to later.

It's funny since you know, this is Cinemafia and there's flavor, meaning Jack Sparrow and Townie are synonymous in the post. Read.[/COLOR]

In an hour or so, I won't be around for the next 24 or so hours. Oh well.

It'll suck since I may or may not self-hammer within that time frame. Let's see if Ranmaru makes the cake for us.

Afaik, or at least from what I've seen, that's just how X1 plays. I still need to look up a game in which he is mafia, but in the last game I played with him he was town and did pretty much the same thing. His playstyle alone isn't enough reason for me to lynch him right now.

I'm not questioning his playstyle, as I'm new. I'm questioning how X1-12 among others gets away with merely posted a vote and then disappearing, but not us. Then, we counter the supposed "arguments" against us, nobody pays attention to them either.

@About Vocal: I guess Vocal thought everyone was set on TD for a lynch toDAY. Does Vocal's stance match up with this?

@Question to Vocal:
same to you. Why did you unvote Cello without reasoning? What does this mean?

Now you're starting to question others about their "closed" voting and unvoting. I still don't see anything directed at X1-12. You did not answer any of my questions about your opinions regarding X1-12. Are you just misreading (again), or are you doing this on purpose? And if so, how come?

[quote-Ranmaru]@Kirb and SwordDancer:

List three points why TD should die toDAY, since you have your votes on him too.

I still see no ground-holding arguments from yourself as to why we should be lynched, among everything else I've already mentioned.

I gave some opinions. Before I had weaker stances and now I agree X1 seemed to agree with Cello.

It's been way past that. Surely your opinions and analyses have altered at this point. Share them.

Now, here's what gets me about you:

You said you were sticking to those three people. (Now this statement refers to one person only, but you stated something before like this) That's why I have been on you. That's why I asked for 2-3 more scum picks. There's alot of people playing here that could be scum besides J, kuz, and x1, and I didn't think what you were doing was enough. I didn't think saying J is scum because he wanted X1 gone was solid, and Kuz for his reaction-test thing. (It was null in my pov)

Likewise. There are plenty of people and I'm trying to ask for your opinions on X1-12 but you're still not giving any. If you're not answering our questions, why should we feel obliged to answer yours?

I prefer developing shenanigans from one view to another. This would have been much more effective when we still had time, but you consistently ignored us, so nothing can reverse that now.

I don't want you to hammer yourself.
I'm sorry with my wording, but I don't want you to self-destruct (no matter how tempting!) because of me.

You couldn't stop me from self-hammering if you tried.
I'm not stupid enough to let poor arguments of a single player to lead me into a self-hammer position. However, pathetic arguments from a single player who ignores others which fall right into those said arguments and an entire town who also seems to ignore them is baffling.

I don't care about your poor wording. That's why I'm calling you out on it. If I was Mafia, I would have fought to the death.

So, why do you think Cello and X1 want you dead? I'm sure everyone else might just end your misery because of your reaction, though. Here is your chance to prove me/us wrong.

I know! Here's why.

X1-12: "Cello, vote Teryble Doom~ because he's clearly Mafia."
Cello: "Mmmmk sounds good."
Teryble Doom~: "Explain your thoughts?"
X1-12: "Everyone should understand Teryble Doom~ is Mafia."

There's nothing for me to even imagine why they might want to lynch us aside from "Hate all hydras." and "Hate all newbies."
Of course, the remaining option is that they believed your bull**** arguments against me in the first place and are completely numb to reason.

If there is something that I missed, please re-post it and I will make SURE to reply to it.

[/quote]

Boy, this should have been posted a long time ago.

 

[X1-12]

Have been V/LA due to exams, shamelessly not read since my last post but I'm still confident in my Teryble read to say they should die. I see deadline is near-ish, I suggest you make a motion to that direction. I will re-read/catch-up overNight most likely and post full thoughts start of D2

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Wtf TD give us your stinking scum list already.

You're suspicious of X1 and Ran, right? Well, besides them, who else?

@X1:

@X1: Sorry if you already posted this and I missed it, but what are your thoughts on Tanny?

Answer please

 

[X1-12]

I have literally no idea. This inactivity is shocking I know but I promise over the weekend I'll have caught up/be back in the game.

 

[ranmaru]

@Tery:

You ate'd. Not a good defense.
You said you would give up as town but fight hard as Mafia. Why would town want you around if you'd give up on them?
You were sticking to J, Kuz, and X1. Then you only make a case on X1, and refuse to make a case on the others.
If you read, you'd notice that I said X1 does seem scummy. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be confident you are the play without even re-reading (sadly this would be due to his exams it seems). I don't know why Cello wants him dead regardless of what you flip, but I would want him dead too, most likely because of his agreeing with Cello.
You only focused on me, and not others voting you. (Mostly Kirb and Sword) I noticed this, and I asked them to give me three points.

I asked Cello for four points because I know he is pushing this hard so I really want to know why you should be dead toDAY.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP:

I mean I noticed Sword and Kirb vote without much reason, so I asked them those questions. Why didn't you?

Also, I have class now. I might post later.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

1. AtE
2. Will not post a town/scum list when asked
3. Does not contribute unless pressured (coasts)

Those are my top 3 reasons for wanting TD dead.

 

[X1-12]

for anyone wondering why im not requesting replacement its because I'll almost certainly take less time to catch up than a replacement would, especially if there isnt one waiting.

Also remember I said KY is town.

 

[Ronike]

Tery, please post on your hydra. A mistake now and again is ok, but you really should be posting on your hydra account

 

[Tandora]

So are you saying that you believe TD is town aligned? If so, who would you rather us lynch today?

Well she hadn't been here in a few days. I don't care for that. Had she been posting regularly I wouldn't have called her out.

Without having fully rereading the thread, Kuz feels scuzzy to me. I can see where this is kinda similar to his DnD scum play where he came out really suspicious and then was forgotten the rest of the game after "shaping" up.

I feel the two current wagons are both on town players, but with less than 30 hours until deadline, I don't know if I can do a complete reread in time and convince people of my read.

 

[-Vocal-]

@Question to Vocal:
same to you. Why did you unvote Cello without reasoning? What does this mean?

He's not being lynched today. When Ronike posted the vote count this last time, I noticed my vote was still on him; I only glanced at the earlier vote count as I didn't think I'd learn anything from it.

I'm not questioning his playstyle, as I'm new. I'm questioning how X1-12 among others gets away with merely posted a vote and then disappearing, but not us. Then, we counter the supposed "arguments" against us, nobody pays attention to them either.

Oh wow. I don't know why I didn't realize sooner that he's been a part of this wagon with practically no reasoning; I hadn't thought about where his vote was. Come to think of it, I don't like this either. It's like he was swiftly hopping from wagon to wagon as early as possible so that his vote would support any lynch that happened but he wouldn't have to immediately put forth justification for his vote (as opposed to now where if he had voted he would need a good reason). I don't think he's the play for today, but if Teryble flips town I'm putting him on the list of people to look into tomorrow.

 

[-Vocal-]

Without having fully rereading the thread, Kuz feels scuzzy to me. I can see where this is kinda similar to his DnD scum play where he came out really suspicious and then was forgotten the rest of the game after "shaping" up.

I feel the two current wagons are both on town players, but with less than 30 hours until deadline, I don't know if I can do a complete reread in time and convince people of my read.

I'm willing to listen.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Approximately 24~25 hours left until the end of Day 1.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@Cello, DH, Vocal, and everyone: What's keeping you from voting TD? It's gotten to the point where if you have no legitimate reason to keep them alive, you need to vote them, realizing it's probably them or a NL.

 

[ranmaru]

Cello said he would hammer.

 

[Ronike]

You guys have just over 24 hours left. I work 9 hours tomorrow, so updates will be few and far between up until 7 o'clock, after which Ill make sure to be on aim for vote count requests and such

 

[-Vocal-]

@Cello, DH, Vocal, and everyone: What's keeping you from voting TD? It's gotten to the point where if you have no legitimate reason to keep them alive, you need to vote them, realizing it's probably them or a NL.

I want to hear what Tandora has to say, and hope that she doesn't just happen to disappear between now and deadline. I'm not going to be going anywhere, so I'll be here to vote before the deadline.

 

[X1-12]

Its a bit disorganised but its all there. I've read up

@Sword: When I read up I paid particular attention to Tanny, she's been pretty hidden though

#390 Tan makes some absolute complete bullcrap about being "discouraged" by Kirbyo.

#419 Tan thinks "Meta is bad"

@Tan: Have you ever been lynched on meta?

#427 Tan calls OMGUS town tell on Kirbyo, right end, wrong thought process. I'd have expected townTan to explain it properly without being asked. Sir B actually goes into this a bit in #436: You can't just look at standard things, look into individual thoughts and actions.

#442 I see some genuine townie idiocy, intent there looks good. Little in the way of reads though

#476 if Tan is scum, look at Rockin

Vocal is town, look at #478 and #492

#502 Kuz is scum, he tries to justify mislynching Kirbyo: "Kirb, do you think the information your flip gives town will outweight your presence later game?" It reads very much as though kuz knows Kibyo is town, but still wants to go through for the lynch. Lynching for "Information" Is a dumb idea and unless you can list exactly what information you can gain and what you will do with it. Unless kuz gives me a detailed list of this, he is scum.

Ran is town #520, #535

DH is town still # 537

@Sword: Final thought on Tanny is even if we had time to lynch her toDay, I'd not take the option, she's scummish but I'm pretty sure I've seen her coast D1 as town too. Leave her for toDay imo. I think kuz is scummier than her anyway. Comment on what I picked out above please w.r.t kuz


Tery should die, still. He is at L-3 and deadline is today. Ideally we should arrange so that they are L-2 and someone votes then Cello hammer, but if you're there at deadline and he isn't, just do anything you can to get the hammer through

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Vote: TD

We have 16 hours. We can do it

 

[-Vocal-]

Is he at L-2 now? Also, I'd like to get Tandora's thoughts before lynching, but who knows if she'll appear or not.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

@Vocal: Do you really think Tan's post is going to make much of a difference this close to deadline, and with TD at L-2?

 

[-Vocal-]

@Vocal: Do you really think Tan's post is going to make much of a difference this close to deadline, and with TD at L-2?

It will make a difference in that we will know Tandora's opinions.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Why can't we wait until toMorrow? I highly doubt scum will kill her, since most people find her at least kind of suspicious, and if there's a vig, we can just instruct the vig to not kill her, if you're that set on hearing her opinions.

 

[ranmaru]

Tery should die, still. He is at L-3 and deadline is today. Ideally we should arrange so that they are L-2 and someone votes then Cello hammer, but if you're there at deadline and he isn't, just do anything you can to get the hammer through

True, deadline is today. But why do you say he should die? You don't really state if he may be Scum.

Also, Cello never really answered my question. I'll ask again, why do you think Tery should die toDAY?

Same to you X1. Why do you think he should die toDAY?

 

[ranmaru]

Hearing Tanny is fine. If she can't then we can also wait until toMorrow. Why don't you want to hear Tanny toDay, Kirb?

 

[Kirbyoshi]

I simply don't think we have enough time. And even if we do, I'm not 100% sure I want to trust Tan to post before End Of Day. /olimarfinalsmashreference

 

[-Vocal-]

Ditto on Ranmaru

 

[-Vocal-]

I simply don't think we have enough time. And even if we do, I'm not 100% sure I want to trust Tan to post before End Of Day. /olimarfinalsmashreference

I believe you mean Olimar reference period.

And like I said earlier, I'm not going anywhere; as long as someone puts TD to L-1 I will be here to cast the hammer.