In Regards To The Lack Of Melee Techniques

[Dizzynecro]

Why do you want wavedashing to be a glitch so badly? We respond to your statements bit by bit, but you refuse to listen to reasoning. You simply concoct "designers' intents" out of thin air to respond to us. By ignoring people with more sense than you, you are hereby deemed a TROLL.

lol no freedom of speech on this board the big bad moderator is mad just becase he doen't like being contridicted. plus he's never heard of an opinion before.

 

[Sliq]

lol no freedom of speech on this board the big bad moderator is mad just becase he doen't like being contridicted. plus he's never heard of an opinion before.

Look at that, you've just failed the test my friend.

he's never heard of an opinion before

Opinion is not fact, no matter how hard you want it to be, and your "opinion" on whether or not WD'ing is a glitch is just that; OPINION.

CASE CLOSED

 

[Dizzynecro]

Look at that, you've just failed the test my friend.



Opinion is not fact, no matter how hard you want it to be, and your "opinion" on whether or not WD'ing is a glitch is just that; OPINION.

CASE CLOSED

right thats what i said its my opinion. not fact. just as much as yours and buzz

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

right thats what i said its my opinion. not fact. just as much as yours and buzz

You are completely lost. This is not an opinion-based discussion. Opinions are for things like "how much we like or dislike Fox McCloud". This is a fact-based discussion. Wavedashing either is a glitch or it is not. There is no "opinion on why it is a glitch". It is not a glitch, and we have demonstrated enough reasoning as to why it is not a glitch. You, on the other hand, just keep shouting, "The creator didn't mean it! He didn't mean it!"

 

[Blood Alpha]

I can't believe you guys are still arguing about this. Two things it was a demo wave dashing could return as it wasn't a glitch just a cool idea to air dodge closer to the ground. My last point is even if it is gone, there will be something to take it's place which could be superior to wave dashing for all we know.

So why not just wait and see what the full game has to offer before people start crucifying brawl. You would think new AT's to learn would be fun, but sadly others don't see it that way.

 

[Sliq]

Why the hell are we arguing about the definition of "glitch," this is ********.

I don't like using the term glitch because people associate a glitch with a negative connotation, i.e. cheating. WD'ing is obviously not cheating, but since some people seem to want to marry the term glitch and cheat, I have no choice but to try and defend its "glitch" status.

Also, the effect is a glitch, not the execution. Shooting a wall 27 times and then jumping isn't a glitch, but what happens afterward may be. If doing this causes the game to crash, the game crashing is the glitch, not the shooting the wall.

Jumping and airdodging into the ground is not a glitch, but what happens afterward might be. In this case it isn't, because you slide as the game was programmed. If you air dodged through the floor, and the game crashed, that would be a glitch.

cause != glitch

effect = glitch

A glitch has to do with error in the code, not "programmers intent."

 

[Overswarm]

It was intended, or at least allowed by the programmers for the player to have the ability to attack while they are sliding.

If you hit someone while they are CCing and they slide, they can attack while sliding. If you get someone to 999% and raptor boost them against a ceiling, they can slide along the ceiling and do aerials. If you hit someone with an attack that hits them towards the floor and they don't go into a tumbling animation, they can attack while sliding.



You don't know the creator's intent. You are guessing.

You're saying "bananas are blue", presenting your own guesses as evidence, presenting it as fact, and then trying to cover yourself by calling it an opinion (which it isn't).

 

[Blood Alpha]

So why don't we look at missed wave dash or a off timed wave dash if that's easier. You are close to the floor you are air dodging, but it's visible to see that you jumped. Wave dashing is just air dodging to the ground with quick reflexes, which gives you an added benefit of speed because you slide away or towards your opponent.

It's not a glitch just good timing.

 

[Sliq]

I've made a new word: "hupple"

hupple (n) (hup - puhl) : Something that occurs in a video game that in no way represents an error in code or in game mechanics, but is a technique of questionable intention by the designer, and generally reflects an abundance of creativity in those who discover them

Ex: Shine spike, wave dashing, chain throwing, crouch canceling,

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Wavedash is a hupple!

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Everything Mew2King does is a hupple.

 

[Sliq]

Everything Mew2King does is a hupple.

I think you confused hupple with John.

 

[Overswarm]

I think you confused hupple with John.

It's good!!!

 

[FightingGameGuy]

this is definatley what im trying to say, an unintended effect programing wise is what i meant so i gues thats a programing error.
oh no now my post is gigantic

Again, for glitches intention is not what matters, oversight and errors are.

If Sakurai intends for Brawl to be more focused on aerial combat but it turns out the best strategies are just as ground-focused as in Melee, would that make focusing on the ground game a glitch? No, it wouldn't it.

Intention is meaningless. What the programmer intended isn't the game that is played, what they programmed is.

In melee, the programming allows for the possibility to perform an "airdodge" while character is still on the ground, probably because the programmers overlooked the possibility of airdodging during the 3-8 frames a character spends beginning their jump on the ground.

If you want to support the reasoning I put forward for calling wavedashing a glitch go ahead (even though I and many others think that makes Wavedashing an exploit not a glitch). But I don't think you're doing it properly. You're still holding onto vestiges of your uninentional = glitch argument.

 

[Youkai Master]

I've made a new word: "hupple"

hupple (n) (hup - puhl) : Something that occurs in a video game that in no way represents an error in code or in game mechanics, but is a technique of questionable intention by the designer, and generally reflects an abundance of creativity in those who discover them

Ex: Shine spike, wave dashing, chain throwing, crouch canceling,

I think that is called an exploit. But hupple sounds cooler.

Also, this thread/brawl boards are made of fail

 

[Overswarm]

I think that is called an exploit. But hupple sounds cooler.

Also, this thread/brawl boards are made of fail

Why do you think I come here for lol's?

 

[Dizzynecro]

It's good!!!

is there more than one of those things?

 

[Overswarm]

is there more than one of those things?

pretty sure it is just in ohio

 

[Dizzynecro]

pretty sure it is just in ohio

Ah yea I've seen it several times, its over by the flea markets, good old touchdown jesus. i was just wondering if it was the only one.

 

[Gracen]

If wavedashing was a glitch you could do it on walls

 

[Overswarm]

If wavedashing was a glitch you could do it on walls

I hate you so much

 

[MookieRah]

I hate you so much

Oh god, that was good XD!

lol no freedom of speech on this board the big bad moderator is mad just becase he doen't like being contridicted. plus he's never heard of an opinion before.

No freedom of speech? Are you kidding? We allow *too* much stuff to go on a lot of times. Also, on that note, what big bad moderator is mad? You weren't debating with any moderators. Were you referring to a mod somewhere else?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

No freedom of speech? Are you kidding? We allow *too* much stuff to go on a lot of times. Also, on that note, what big bad moderator is mad? You weren't debating with any moderators. Were you referring to a mod somewhere else?

He probably thought my green name implied moderator.

 

[Dizzynecro]

He probably thought my green name implied moderator.

lol yea i did.

 

[Girl]

Nintendo =making a game that is fun....the end

 

[ifoundwaldo512]

hey hipnotist or whatever guy, if your acting like you hate nintendo WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ON A F***ING FAN SITE!!!

 

[Classic-Black]

Voicing concerns =/= Hating on Nintendo...at least by non-fanboy standards