I'm Glad PT is Top of Low Tier

[Fearmy]

it means surprise surprise suprise!

 

[Pubik Vengeance]

Tier lists aren't out yet, but yeah it is starting to look he will be down there.

 

[mickeyk90]

Hes high tier in my <3

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

There is no tier list.

Other than Snake probably being at or near the top, and MK not far behind, the arguments for some of the other characters are extremely flawed. Zelda is overhyped, while the only good thing about her is her smashes and to a lesser extent, her tilts. Her aerials are a disaster. Peach is in consensus a low tier character to these people, yet her Brawl version has many advantages over her Melee version, and will likely end up in the higher tiers once people jump off the bandwagons for the easy to learn characters with low ceilings (Marth, DDD, etc.).

Very few talented players play PT right now. They are turned off by stamina, and choose more proven characters for tournaments because there is, after all, money on the line. Those who do intend to play PT competitively usually pick up secondary characters out of a lack of trust in their skills with PT, which they actually end up using more.

Once the stigma of stamina as a character killer fades, and once people get over the fact that tether recoveries can be edgehogged easily (it's idiotic how people assume Ivysaur is doomed because of this, it's not even a factor in most battles), then we'll begin to see PT getting more serious play and as a result, better tournament standings.

None of the three pokemon should end up under mid tier.

 

[Kitamerby]

There is no tier list.

Other than Snake probably being at or near the top, and MK not far behind, the arguments for some of the other characters are extremely flawed. Zelda is overhyped, while the only good thing about her is her smashes and to a lesser extent, her tilts. Her aerials are a disaster. Peach is in consensus a low tier character to these people, yet her Brawl version has many advantages over her Melee version, and will likely end up in the higher tiers once people jump off the bandwagons for the easy to learn characters with low ceilings (Marth, DDD, etc.).

Very few talented players play PT right now. They are turned off by stamina, and choose more proven characters for tournaments because there is, after all, money on the line. Those who do intend to play PT competitively usually pick up secondary characters out of a lack of trust in their skills with PT, which they actually end up using more.

Once the stigma of stamina as a character killer fades, and once people get over the fact that tether recoveries can be edgehogged easily (it's idiotic how people assume Ivysaur is doomed because of this, it's not even a factor in most battles), then we'll begin to see PT getting more serious play and as a result, better tournament standings.

None of the three pokemon should end up under mid tier.

Honestly, you'd think Bullet Seed would balance ANY of his faults, if Ivysaur has any.

Personally, I'm expecting PT to reach high tier at least once people begin using him well. Each of his Pokemon are perfectly balanced to handle around 37 of the 39 playable cast, and on the other two he still can go head-to-head, just without a definite advantage.

Also, Bullet Seed.

Give it a year or so, and people will start being more open. After all, it took only a few months until people got over the Ike hype.

 

[Yukiwarashi]

There is no tier list.

Other than Snake probably being at or near the top, and MK not far behind, the arguments for some of the other characters are extremely flawed. Zelda is overhyped, while the only good thing about her is her smashes and to a lesser extent, her tilts. Her aerials are a disaster. Peach is in consensus a low tier character to these people, yet her Brawl version has many advantages over her Melee version, and will likely end up in the higher tiers once people jump off the bandwagons for the easy to learn characters with low ceilings (Marth, DDD, etc.).

Very few talented players play PT right now. They are turned off by stamina, and choose more proven characters for tournaments because there is, after all, money on the line. Those who do intend to play PT competitively usually pick up secondary characters out of a lack of trust in their skills with PT, which they actually end up using more.

Once the stigma of stamina as a character killer fades, and once people get over the fact that tether recoveries can be edgehogged easily (it's idiotic how people assume Ivysaur is doomed because of this, it's not even a factor in most battles), then we'll begin to see PT getting more serious play and as a result, better tournament standings.

None of the three pokemon should end up under mid tier.

I have to agree with you. We need more of our Pokemon Trainer players out there showing his true potential. I have yet to see anyone wield all three Pokemon extremely well and in a balanced and effective fashion. Until we have players like that, Pokemon Trainer will not be recognized and he'll stay low.

I also found your point about PT players and secondaries very interesting. It's probably true as well, but I don't think it's too bad that people carry secondaries when it comes to using PT. After all, while he is 3 characters in 1, there may be someone that can simply handle the situation better, especially if two thirds of Pokemon Trainer's team is weak to a certain character.

But you got me thinking, so...I think I myself will attempt this. It's why I made my topic, after all. I'm going to main PT and keep Toon Link as a secondary to see how I do. I notice that there are a lot more American tournaments than Canadian tournaments, but I'll try and do my part in raising Pokemon Trainer. X)

 

[chubas]

Sush, Ike @_@

Well, something is true. PT is never going to be god tier, nor will be seen as top tier if people have that misconception Pope pointed about it. But yeah, I don't think PT will be sent down to the bottom of a tier list. It is pretty balanced, has very good moves overall and its versatility is very underestimated.

Or, as the dyslexic SWFer would say: Tires don't exist

 

[Ratherion]

I have to agree with you. We need more of our Pokemon Trainer players out there showing his true potential. I have yet to see anyone wield all three Pokemon extremely well and in a balanced and effective fashion. Until we have players like that, Pokemon Trainer will not be recognized and he'll stay low.

I also found your point about PT players and secondaries very interesting. It's probably true as well, but I don't think it's too bad that people carry secondaries when it comes to using PT. After all, while he is 3 characters in 1, there may be someone that can simply handle the situation better, especially if two thirds of Pokemon Trainer's team is weak to a certain character.

But you got me thinking, so...I think I myself will attempt this. It's why I made my topic, after all. I'm going to main PT and keep Toon Link as a secondary to see how I do. I notice that there are a lot more American tournaments than Canadian tournaments, but I'll try and do my part in raising Pokemon Trainer. X)

Need... capture... card...

Must prove to the world that I have the only balanced PT!

 

[acv]

there is no possible way that out of the three all of them are so bad they all go to low tier.

 

[chili]

there is no possible way that out of the three all of them are so bad they all go to low tier.

Nah... I think that Pokemon Trainer is pretty good now. And I feel that most of the PT techniques really haven't been discovered yet. More time needs to be put in the game. Over time I feel that PT will slowly work his way upwards.

 

[TheREALShadowChaos]

Pokemon Trainer is really good. He should not be low tier. -_-

 

[Pichu Sensei]

Looks like I'm gonna have to start winning tournies...

 

[Homelessvagrant]

there indeed is untapped potential with pokemon trainer. The idea is that you have to learn how to master three individual characters instead of one and the master the harmony between the three characters. Common sense tells us that this take longer than one simple character, expecially simple characters like Meta.

As time goes by I see Pt emerging in the tournament scene much like Marth did in melee. It'll just take a longer time. But seriously PT is too beast to be low tier.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

there indeed is untapped potential with pokemon trainer. The idea is that you have to learn how to master three individual characters instead of one and the master the harmony between the three characters. Common sense tells us that this take longer than one simple character, expecially simple characters like Meta.

As time goes by I see Pt emerging in the tournament scene much like Marth did in melee. It'll just take a longer time. But seriously PT is too beast to be low tier.

ssshh. Let them underestimate us. Their funeral.

 

[Charizard92]

Is stamina the only reason why few people are maining PT, man those people who believe stamina is enough are idiots (not the ones who main him, the ones who think stamina is enough to not main him).

 

[Demenise]

Stamina isn't really that bad. The thing with Pokemon Trainer is that, unlike with almost all other characters, you never had the time to take a break, even if your opponent is. You must keep attacking nonstop, and when your stamina is about to run out, you'll need to push the opponent away then change. However, when fatigued, it becomes MUCH harder to launch the opponent, and even if you do get to change, it must be when the opponent is far away. Otherwise, it's a free kill.

This, all together, makes Pokemon Trainer one of the hardest characters to use. Therefore, he'll be in the lower tiers.

 

[PkTrainerCris]

XDXDXD i dont think anyone on my neighborhood would believe that, the only one who can win me a match when im with pokemon trainer is my friend who is also very good, but anyway the battles between us are very excitng, its just that we cant save it, because its a public palce and taking a digital camera would be too risky, but asides of him, i have kicked like 7 ***** of random people(no noobs, they all payed very good) with my pokemon trainer, i consider myself very good with the three pokemon

 

[JiangWei23]

I agree. The less people use PT, the more I get to revel in wiping the floor with them all over the place. ^_^

 

[Steeler]

PT is more like Melee Ice Climbers.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

ssshh. Let them underestimate us. Their funeral.

lol, so shall it be

PT is more like Melee Ice Climbers.

huh, in exactly what way?

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

I think he meant their are similar to the extent that both have learning curves steep enough to alienate most players until one or two eventually unlock their potential and begin to win conclusively with them.

 

[Chaotic Yoshi]

Looks like I'm gonna have to start winning tournies...

Amen. Right now on the rankings list trainer is sitting at 2 top 8's and 2 top 4's. Who are the other three people owning with PT?

 

[Pichu Sensei]

Amen. Right now on the rankings list trainer is sitting at 2 top 8's and 2 top 4's. Who are the other three people owning with PT?

what? link piz?

 

[Chaotic Yoshi]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

Low tier go!

 

[Pichu Sensei]

wait wait wait. I'd rather keep PT at the bottom, I don't want tonz of nubs to swarm PT.
Am I right?

 

[Retro Gaming]

PT is more like Melee Ice Climbers.

That they were very low on the lists until someone figured out that desynching was hot and that they could do some crazy stuff, I thought is what it meant.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

okay, makes sense.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Tiers aren't out yet, but I'm sure that PT is somewhere among the lower level of the tiers. Don't see why though. He's actually a pretty decent character.

Does the damage and knockback of this character change if you Switch Out? Not sure about that, but that would make this character higher among the tiers.

 

[Onxy]

And plus you have a fresh attack to kill them with! Lol. I was hoping that he would end up high tier, but I guess not lol.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=165954

Low tier go!

that not be a tier list chap.

 

[Chaotic Yoshi]

I know, but it sounds better than "Low rank go!". Tier lists are based on the same idea anyway, tournament performance.

 

[Steeler]

ice climbers were pretty low until someone dedicated and skilled enough brought them out to prominence.

same will be of pt, i think.

 

[FindTheBalance]

I love how little respect PT gets. It is soo much fun proving his worth by trouncing the opposition. I play a very annoying PT, and I use all the frustration from the "underdog" winning to further my mindgames. SO STAY LOW TIER. At least until a few great PKMN masters start winning tourneys; PT still deserves respect.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

I mained Pichu in Melee. i wub low tier

LOW TIER GO!!!

 

[NoobCake]

I sort of hope he's not top tier, makes playing him feel a lot more...unique
That having been said, I don't think he should be bottom tier, I'd say probably mid-tier.

Unless tires don exits

 

[goodkid]

PKMN Trainer has a lot of potential. His metagame will just take longer. PKMN Trainer could be high tier, he has a lot of versatility.

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

I want Pokemon Trainer to end up being... the very best, like no one ever was.

And I just could not care less what tier they all end up in. There's no more "honor" in playing low tier characters than in playing top tier ones. It's all just a fabricated condition used by validation-seeking players so stagnant in their mediocrity that they aim for being just good within their low tier character's constraints. To top it off, they chastise those who play higher tier characters as if they have stooped to some untouchable level of dishonor.

Seriously, it's bull****.

 

[chubas]

To top it off, they chastise those who play higher tier characters as if they have stooped to some untouchable level of dishonor.

Seriously, it's bull****.

Agree. I've seen a lot of people who think they are good just because they play with a top tier character. They suck.

And so do I. BUT HEY I'M PLAYING A LOW TIER CHARACTER.

Bull****++

 

[Kemious]

PKMN Trainer has a lot of potential. His metagame will just take longer. PKMN Trainer could be high tier, he has a lot of versatility.

PT will never be High tier. While he his versatility is a huge plus. He lacks certain traits that prevent him from reaching higher tired levels.

By themselves none of the Pokemon are exactly high tier. If you were to break them down individually Squirtle would be on the low side of medium, Ivy the higher part of medium and Charizard in the Middle of both of them. The fact that all three of them have different play styles is a huge plus On top of the fact that each of them have at least three additonal attack styles

. But the fact you automatically change when one dies takes away from that as well as the time changing in battle takes. Character match up disadvantages and advantages make playing with PT extremely challenging. In some cases only one of three will actually have an advantage against you opponent while the other to easily get beat on. While in others you can wipe the floor with any of the three. If one could change aerially or if switching while you were in the air instantly sent you to the ground I could agree that he would be a top tier character. Even having a little control over where or when the Pokemon would appear would have greatly improved upon him.


Taking all of this into consideration He probably fall into the exact medium of the tier list if ranked properly.

 

[FlyingMudPuppy]

Time will tell... You figure that all PT is gonna do is move up. People talk about how it will take months for the simple single chars' full potential to be realized... and that concept would be exponentially large here