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Ike's frame data has slightly changed over the revisions, but Monk's Demo 2.1 Frame Data thread is still a useful resource. According to this, QD charge lasts for 9 frames and since Demo 2.5, Ike cannot jump for 3 frames after releasing the charge; that means that you can only jump 13 frames after inputting QD.
Why don't you collect frame data on every possible thing and become the M2K of Project M?
I would totally like to be on that level of nerd, but where do you get the tools to do that?
You're mistake is trying to spike when you can nair instead.
FThrow -> DAir works when opponents DI in and NAir -> DAir on fastfallers depending on DI, but I can't really think of reliable ways to combo into DAir outside of those methods.
FThrow/BThrow can combo into a DAir meteor/spike, but it depends on the opponent's % and how they DI; if they DI properly, then I don't think you can true combo into the meteor/spike hitbox.
It's both
. (See above for more details.)FThrow and BThrow have varying comboability depending on the opponent's floatiness, %, and DI; if they DI correctly every time, then it's difficult to follow up.
Eruption's hitbox has been shrunk since Demo 2.1, but I don't think it's been touched since then. The meteor hitbox is at the very base of the flame, so if you're sending them upward, then you might be releasing it too late (and missing the meteor hitbox).
I didn't really spike him on intentionally, but in the case that he tried getting onto the edge during Aether, I wanted to prevent him from doing so.
My problem with the eruption spike isn't that I am knocking them up, it is that I am missing them entirely and they are getting to the ledge safely. Is there a way I should be thinking about eruption so that I can land it more consistently?
I wouldn't recommend trying to edgeguard with Eruption in the first place unless your opponent is a floaty at high %s, but if you want to get a feel for the size of the meteor smash hitbox, then I suggest going to Training Mode, picking a tall character for the CPU, and seeing at what height they have to be in order to Eruption spike them through the side platforms of Battlefield while they're on the ground; it's nowhere as good as getting practice on a moving target, but at least you'll be able to get a better idea of how big (or small) the hitbox is and how far it reaches down. If you're whiffing the opponent completely, then it probably means you're releasing it too late; what character are you trying to use Eruption to edgeguard?
I don't usually go for it. I just like knowing how to use options that are available to me.
Sorry.
agree with you 100 percent. Ike s b air is amazing. Really useful in a lot of situation.
I do feel sad leaving the character in any serious context :/ idk maybe it's more that I'm apologizing to Ike himself haha. I'll miss using him but I know that this is a better choice moving forward in my career.
I get that. It is a really weird feeling to know there are characters you can play well or learn to play well, but have very little reason to actually do so. I have that feeling with Roy. He is interesting in casual matches, but he doesn't offer me anything really useful in serious play especially since I co-main/second Marth.
You had a pretty baller Ike, SB, that was always a delight to watch. Maybe I'll see you play him in like $1 MMs and other less serious contexts. Good luck pushing DK into top 10 single-handedly!
I would if I didn't have work =/.
You're breaking my heart, man ...
This is probably the correct choice. I continuously stress for serious players to stick to one character. In PM I could see that changing to maybe 2 characters if your primary character is flawed in some way, but overall I think the rule holds firm. Frankly you would probably be better off moving to one character as well, as I haven't seen any major flaws to DK (yet).I'm afraid I most likely won't be playing much Ike anymore. He has a lot of upkeep, by which I mean he has a lot of things to practice to keep my Ike in shape, and doesn't grant me much in the way of matchup coverage compared to my other mains. I really like the character and hope to see players like Ally and Metroid continue to push the boundaries with him but I don't think I'll be doing so with you.
Once the school year is over, you can expect me to travel more
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If you drop out it can end right now.Once the school year is over, you can expect me to travel more
If Pit handles your hardest match ups, then yes. Since Pit can handle spacies and it doesn't seem like Ike can, I imagine he is a good character to use as a second.
I'm done with education, I need some way to make moneys though
.Ike can combo spacies pretty hard if you play properly, but outplaying the spacie in the neutral game so that you can get hits in the first place isn't too fun if the spacie knows what they're doing. QD is good for pokes and punishing whiffed aerials, but it can be CC'd at low %s, so you'll have to patiently rack up the damage until that time. Personally, I think Pit does better than Ike against spacies, but the match-up is winnable for Ike.I think with time Ike can convincingly do well against spacies, consider Ike kills primarily off the sides, Ike has a chaingrab and early kill moves, as well as his ability to down throw tech read at low and high percents alike. Still, if Pit is better at the MU then even better
Become a stripper and supplement it with money matches.I'm done with education, I need some way to make moneys though
It seems like with every spacies match up you can win if you work hard enough and the spacie isn't perfect that day. It is certainly an easier match if you have an easy way of dealing with projectiles and/or have projectiles of your own
Ike has a hard time with pressure & at times projectiles (Falco's lasers being both), but I think his lackluster recover coupled with the fact that you can gimp with counter or fair makes the matchup HELL on Falco if you land a grab and get them offstage. Plus, downthrow tech read on Falco can be an easy kill, especially with d throw > f smash imFunnily enough Fox is probably Ike's best spacie match-up. Falco's lasers chokes him out entirely and Wolf's makes life difficult, but is at least manageable. Besides Falco I don't think Ike has a terrible disadvantage v/s spacies though.
Pit can definitely whoop Falco if you manage to get him like an inch offstage