IGN Plays Brawl, Concerning Information.

[Pluvia's other account]

Hello?

Mewtwo's going to be the broken character.

I'm pretty sure it wont be that hard the annihilate Meta-Knight. It's not the character that's good, it's the player.

 

[Burning Lava]

It's alpha.

They'll probably tweak MetaKnight after they hear responses and opinions from gamers not in the company.

That's what would suck. I think that's what the topic starter is saying. They tend to OVERnerf characters if they seem a bit overpowered. Look what happened to Kirby in Melee... a just terrible character, who used to be good in 64.

I hope they don't listen to any of these initial impressions. Maybe if they talk to/read impressions from the top few players/winners at the E 4 All tournament, they could get some useful information. These winners will likely be Melee vets, who can spot a characters shortcomings, whereas some lame IGN editors (sorry Bozon, Matt, and Craig... I like you guys, but you suck at Smash.) would probably say that IC suck, when in reality, they're quite deadly in the right hands with the additions of WD and SHFFLing.

Eh, I hope they just ignore everyone and do their own internal testing. It's safer to trust the dev team than some half-baked smashers who can't effectively use advanced techs.

Somehow I think Sakurai is probably better at his game than we give him credit for. Maybe he doesn't WD, but surely he can do some sort of SHFFL type techniques. It seems like he's purposely building combos into the game, since he talks about them in the Sonic Special update, so... I don't know, you just have to kind of know what you're doing to do any decent combo, so I'll just trust Sakurai and team. (And like some people pointed out, some of the people playing in these videos can't even freakin' recover! AGHRHAOIJSD:O! Why couldn't we send a Smashboards representative to get some news/hands-on? I guess that's what E 4 All is for.

 

[Aryman]

I'm glad I called Metaknight a long time ago. I knew he was going to be a beast.

 

[Takeshi245]

Metaknight's fine the way he is. He isn't broken. They're just really bad players.

 

[Burning Lava]

Metaknight's fine the way he is. He isn't broken. They're just really bad players.

I totally agree. I will do anything in my power to squelch rumors about any character being overpowered, because we just don't know, and I don't want certain characters getting a bad reputation, due to backlash if they don't live up to the false hype. (or any other reason)

We have to watch out for Meta Knight, and probably Sonic too, since he appears to be kind of fast, n00bs might automatically think he's top tier. We'll have to wait until February. Heh, I'm still hoping Link climbs the tier list a couple of places.

Oh, and BTW, just like many of you I was anxious to play as Meta Knight, Pit, Zamus, etc. (and now Sonic) a long time ago. We don't need people thinking we're playing these characters just because "they're over powered." No, that isn't it... they just look interesting and/or cool. Plus they're new to the series. It doesn't mean I don't want to play Mario. Heck, he'll probably be like the 3rd or 4th character I play as.

Well, peace, I hope everyone gets what I'm sort of ranting about.

 

[freeman123]

I'm 99.99999999999999999999999999999999 (Goes on for eternity) % sure he'll be toned down by the release date.

I don't think he'll be toned down at all. I think that the characters that are playable in the demo are the ones who are completely finished.

I'm sure he's fine the way he is.

 

[Jammer]

Oh, wow. I watched two of their gameplay videos, but I had to stop. And I thought I was bad at smash. A Yoshi got a Smash Ball, which is supposed to make him fly, right? Well, the Yoshi walks off the stage, and dies. It was horrible.

Yeah, IGN editors aren't very good.

EDIT: IGN was talking about how MetaKnight was so good, right? Well, that's because he happens to have a good, easy-to-use down b that they just spammed over and over. It means nothing; don't be scared that Meta is too good.

 

[F@lc0-san]

If you also watched the IGN people completley SUCKED.

I mean, by all means i'm no Smash god and 90% of you here would destroy me but OMG watching them play was almost PAINFULL!

Offcourse they're gonna say that easy to controll characters are imba, they can make em work, because they SUCK.(They=IGN peeps)

 

[PineapplePete]

They also made Pit look like crap, but i should hope he can be used very well (he's gotta be my main)

 

[raymanbud714]

not to worry it's just a demo right? i dont think they'll make him any slower but they'll probably tone down his attack power like say 1 slash does 1 to 2% damage and the other powerfull moves will make up for it. but the mach speed thing... it just needs to be weaker... or they wotn change him at all because metaknight rocks and u can deal! lol jk

 

[errtu]

yeah don't worry man. they suck big time. they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to the prowess of the characters. though i'm gonna use meta he just looks kewl with all those moves and gliding. well i'm kinda creeped out by his wings.... they look a bit disgusting.

 

[Takeshi245]

If those guys just had some tournament experience (with good players), it would've been more interesting to watch. Well, 4 more days until videos and confirmation of advanced techniques.

 

[Burning Lava]

yeah don't worry man. they suck big time. they don't what they are talking about when it comes to the prowess of the characters. though i'm gonna use meta he just looks kewl. well i'm kinda creeped out by his wings.... they look a bit disgusting.

Haha, lol. I'm with ya on the wings thing. Definitely cool, but they do have that certain disgusting quality... It doesn't help that he's just a big head... at least with Kirby, he's big and puffy. He's so rubbery, and cartoony, it sort of makes sense. Meta is sort of just... grotesque! Ha, no he's still cool. Very mysterious.

 

[battousai555]

Dear Nintendo,

Plz nerf Metaknight. He is Liek teh G0d tierz and has 2 manny migR4ines. U prress liek wun buttin and he is teh winz f0r teh gayme. KthnX.

-tEh N00beror
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On a more serious note, all we can do is wait until the game is out for a while to see how well the game is balanced. Nintendo has had plenty of time to make this game balanced, so I'm anticipating a great game.

 

[Takeshi245]

Dear Nintendo,

Plz nerf Metaknight. He is Liek teh G0d tierz and has 2 manny migR4ines. U prress liek wun buttin and he is teh winz f0r teh gayme. KthnX.

-tEh N00beror
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On a more serious note, all we can do is wait until the game is out for a while to see how well the game is balanced. Nintendo has had plenty of time to make this game balanced, so I'm anticipating a great game.

Same here, man. More balance means more tournament-worthy characters.

 

[dark_templar_99]

hahahahah, you do know that 99.9999999999(goes on for eternity)% is EXACTLY the same as 100%, right? 100/3 = 33.333~ Then do the inverse, 33.333~x3, and you get back to 10 (or 99.999~)

 

[Alias]

this all just means that meta knight will be an good beginner character

doesnt mean hes broken at all cause non of the demo played brawl enough to even think metaknight is better then the rest

 

[WoapGang]

true, Metaknight's slashes could have almost no priority(yeah right....) but they have almost no range due to the length of the sword

 

[Chi's Finest]

To all the people that say IGN sucks, you realize that EVERY website (gamespot, destructoid, etc) and group of people who have had a hands-on experience with the game has said that Metaknight is a beast? They all go on about how he does insane damage, is fast and delivers combos. Plus we already know that he can glide, multiple jumps, and has a disjointd hitbox with his sword.

I know you all love to feel superior because someone had a hard time contorlling a character's new move for the first time with a new controller, but whether you like it or not, it sounds like he's gonna be a little overpowered.

 

[Mama]

To all the people that say IGN sucks, you realize that EVERY website (gamespot, destructoid, etc) and group of people who have had a hands-on experience with the game has said that Metaknight is a beast? They all go on about how he does insane damage, is fast and delivers combos. Plus we already know that he can glide, multiple jumps, and has a disjointd hitbox with his sword.

I know you all love to feel superior because someone had a hard time contorlling a character's new move for the first time with a new controller, but whether you like it or not, it sounds like he's gonna be a little overpowered.

You know who else is like that? Sheik. Nobody who has played the game so far has any real experience. So far they've all been noobers. Sounds to me like Metaknight is just a good player for noobs. Easy to use in a scrub match. We have yet to see if he'll be any good in real play. Meaning people who actually play smash as well as the competitive players/"pro" players. He could be the button mashers friend, he could be genuinely good and actually balanced, or he could be total poo poo garbage. We wont know till we either play for ourselves or take an experienced players opinion as a reliable source.

 

[Takeshi245]

You know who else is like that? Sheik. Nobody who has played the game so far has any real experience. So far they've all been noobers. Sounds to me like Metaknight is just a good player for noobs. Easy to use in a scrub match. We have yet to see if he'll be any good in real play. Meaning people who actually play smash as well as the competitive players/"pro" players. He could be the button mashers friend, he could be genuinely good and actually balanced, or he could be total poo poo garbage. We wont know till we either play for ourselves or take an experienced players opinion as a reliable source.

Thank you, Mama.

 

[Vortok]

You can't spell ignorant without IGN.

You win the thread.


Also, those guys did suck. I watched a Bowser player -repeatedly- Up B off the stage (as in, nobody touched him, he basically just jumped off). The occasional suicide here and there happens even if you're experienced... but not several times in one match. That just has newb all over it.

The rest is a tad understandable... since if I try to play Smash 64 right now, a Lvl9 would likely tear me apart - the Smash games just play differently from each other. But.... yeah, the majority of the players from the media sucked.


Also, I wanted to play and try Metaknight from the moment I knew he was in the game. No idea what his moves are, but he's a badass and I wanted to give him a try. I have no idea who I'll "main" until I try all the characters and find out which ones match my preferred playstyle.

I don't think he'll be toned down at all. I think that the characters that are playable in the demo are the ones who are completely finished.

I'm inclined to agree with this, especially the second half.


As far as the Metaknight being too good... he may very well be high tier. When my friends and I first played the game, we felt that Sheik was insanely good. Guess what... Sheik is insanely good! So that makes for a character that's both newb friendly AND good in the hands of an expert player. Doesn't mean that either character completely breaks the game they're in.

 

[FoxFanMan1]

he looks like brawls sheik, but dont worry no matter how good he is, the more people use him the more other people will figure out ways to counter him, that is unless hes broken beyond the point of beating, in that case they have some changes to make

That's what I was thinking. Even if Metanight will be this good to a lot of players, there will be just as many people who will find counters.

 

[Relean]

He will probably end up being the most used character in tournaments and such.

He looks so overpowered -which I like- in the videos.

 

[Lunytunes4.4]

there is alot of ppl saying metaknight is beast but when i see gameplay vids all i see is metaknight we havent seen all the other chars yet so im not worried one bit

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

there is alot of ppl saying metaknight is beast but when i see gameplay vids all i see is metaknight we havent seen all the other chars yet so im not worried one bit

You must admit that he is one rough powerhouse.

 

[Cronius]

Is anyone else concerned about the lack of speed Fox had? I know they were pretty bad at the game, but he did a look a lot slower, grated I don't think he was shorthopping or fastfalling. But he looked like a floaty character to me. This makes me wonder about the general speed of the game, and if they slowed it down a lot or not. Opinions?

 

[Lunytunes4.4]

well we dont really know yet until we get our hands on the game so i cant really tell if he was fast or not but he seemed ok to me no problems, and correct me if im wrong but i have yet to see a fox SH in SSBB gameplay vids

 

[Takeshi245]

Is anyone else concerned about the lack of speed Fox had? I know they were pretty bad at the game, but he did a look a lot slower, grated I don't think he was shorthopping or fastfalling. But he looked like a floaty character to me. This makes me wonder about the general speed of the game, and if they slowed it down a lot or not. Opinions?

I believe that since they're using the Havoc engine, I believe that heavy characters will fall at a faster rate than light characters. That could be why Fox doesn't fall so fast anymore.

Edit: 1,300th post!! YAY!!

 

[Mama]

Is anyone else concerned about the lack of speed Fox had? I know they were pretty bad at the game, but he did a look a lot slower, grated I don't think he was shorthopping or fastfalling. But he looked like a floaty character to me. This makes me wonder about the general speed of the game, and if they slowed it down a lot or not. Opinions?

I haven't really been able to see enough of Fox to judge his speed just yet. Do I think the game is slower? Not at all. Just look at Sonic. I'm waiting to see how Fox's moves will do in Brawl. In Melee his u-air went from what it was in Smash64 to the uber finisher that it is in Melee. I hope they don't water it down. But I'm sure that players will find a way to adapt regardless.

 

[Spellman]

I don't think that IGN was lying or was mentally disabled when they wrote this particular thing down. It was just something they happened to notice while playing, and since they all entered the game with roughly the same skill level (we can assume, since nobody has played Brawl, and I'm sure they haven't played Melee in a while). Don't read too much into it, but on the same token, don't completely ignore it. They're some of the earliest people to have played the game that weren't on the design team. What they wrote is all based on what happened in the actual fights, so they shouldn't be forced to analyze every nook and cranny of factors that may shift the balance out of Meta-Knights favor. What happened, happened, all was recorded, nervous-nellies ensued.

If Meta-Knight is too strong and fast (looks like he's got range too, and he's hard to hit because of size), then they have to find a way to tone him down a little bit while keeping his strong and fast character that he carries from the Kirby games. That's harder to do then you'd think.

 

[HotelDusk215]

Im thinking that Meta Knight is just really easy to use. I bet if u practice with other characters, you can pwn him.

 

[Kirby knight]

If Meta-Knight is too strong and fast (looks like he's got range too, and he's hard to hit because of size), then they have to find a way to tone him down a little bit while keeping his strong and fast character that he carries from the Kirby games. That's harder to do then you'd think.

Metaknight just looks like he's easy to pick up and play at the newb level. I really don't see any brokeness in that. Who knows he may turn out to be better than SSB Kirby or he may be on the bottom of the tier list. When Brawl is released we will know the answer.

-Knight

 

[shanus]

Im thinking that Meta Knight is just really easy to use. I bet if u practice with other characters, you can pwn him.

I have a feeling he will be the marth of brawl , except take out the part where you say you can pwn him
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MK will be top tier, he looks like he needs to be toned down a bit though, but we'll see with over time more impressions

 

[greenblob]

Fox's uair was overpowered in the original...

So MK is the new Sheik?

 

[Rash]

You can't spell ignorant without IGN.

That's a funny joke to make, but in actuality you'd be surprised at how much better IGN is when it comes to ignorance than some other sites. Gamespot, for example, is far worse when it comes to things like this.

 

[Kirby knight]

I have a feeling he will be the marth of brawl , except take out the part where you say you can pwn him
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MK will be top tier, he looks like he needs to be toned down a bit though, but we'll see with over time more impressions

What about Metaknight seems broken to you though?

-Knight

 

[Lunytunes4.4]

i can imagine MK being the new marth, but im gonna do what spellman told us "dont read into it so much but dont ignore it" so im just gonna wait to see

 

[GildedPunch]

I apologize for my laziness for not reading waht everyone's talking about, but i can't find another thread to talk about this. I got this info from the new ign videos.

BRAWL IS JUST LIKE SSB64!!!!

Almost EVERYONE is floaty,
They have their own entrance again,

And check this out,
you remember in 64 when you get hit sometimes at low percentages and you go spiral straight up and down like 2 feet, Well just look at mario in Meta Knight Ship (Off-Screen HD), 00:54. That didn't ever happen in melee but DID happen in 64.

Here's somehting else noticeable, Their DI is also taken from 64.
Everyone can DI quite dramatically, JUST like in 64.

A crap load of game mechanics are taken from 64 and put into brawl!
I think that brawl is going VERY similar to 64, which i'm happy about.

 

[commonyoshi]

There's a lot of "IGN sucks at smash" and "You cant spell ignorant without IGN, screw them" posts here. Well I really doubt they care about being good at Smash considering they get access to every single video game created for every single system before any of you, and they get paid to do so. So... wait. I forgot the point I was going to make. I'm writhing in jealousy right now. >_<