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Black Shadow should inherit Ganondorf's old moveset while Ganondorf gets a new one
It's All Right. You Didn't Sound Like A Jerk At All, I'll Just Wait For Other People Before I Post Something That Way, I Don't Double Post.Sorry to drag this thread off topic, but:
QuintonShark8714 and
wariohasdiabetes not to sound like a jerk or whatever, but it's for the best you two stop the double posting. It is against the rules here on the site.
And now we take you back to your regularly scheduled program.
All right. What are your thoughts about my other points? While my original post was long, I didn't have much criticism or questions - I'll sum it up here to save time.
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QuintonShark8714
this is a roster that you would be in charge with creating, not a rate my roster/10 thread 
I legitimately want to ask why you're interested in this character, as I haven't heard good things about his game, that and from what you've described to me he's basically Snake...
Ivan has guns and a sword.
He said before that they were similar...
Fair enough. Thanks for listening!
I'm just gonna format mine like Megadoomer did.Megadoomer
@MahBoi2016
NintenZ
CrusherMania1592
@Troykv
@Baskerville
@DaisyChain
@Jigglypwnz14
what's your opinion on my Roster?
QuintonShark8714's SSB5 Roster Predictions
Veteran
Unlockable Character
Newcomer
Unlockable Newcomer
Super Mario
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Toad or Captain Toad?
Daisy
Paper Mario
Mario Expanded Pack
Yoshi
Wario
Waluigi
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda
Shiek
Impa
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Linkle
Metroid
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Dark Samus
Ridley
Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Bandana Dee
Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Pokémon
Pikachu
Charizard
Greninja
A Gen 7/8 Grass Starter
Lucario
Pichu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Earthbound/Mother
Ness
Lucas
F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow
Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Robin
A New Main Fire Emblem Protaginist
Roy
Corrin
Kid Icarus
Pit
Palutena
Hades
Misc.
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Olimar
R.O.B.
Villager
Isabelle
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
Shulk
Elma
Duck Hunt
Inkling
Octoling
Issac
Chibi-Robo
Takamaru
Wonder Red
Dillion
Mach Rider
Chorus Men
Mii
3rd Party
Pac-Man
Mega Man
Sonic
Rayman
Bayonetta or Tails?
Ryu
Cloud
Bomberman
Snake
what things do you agree with? and what things do you disagree with?
you forgot to talk about Zelda LOL
Mario:
@MahBoi2016
@Troykv
@Baskerville
@DaisyChain
@Jigglypwnz14
what's your opinion on my Roster?
QuintonShark8714's SSB5 Roster Predictions
Veteran
Unlockable Character
Newcomer
Unlockable Newcomer
Super Mario
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Toad or Captain Toad?
Daisy
Paper Mario
Mario Expanded Pack
Yoshi
Wario
Waluigi
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
The Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda
Shiek
Impa
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Linkle
Metroid
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Dark Samus
Ridley
Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Bandana Dee
Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Pokémon
Pikachu
Charizard
Greninja
A Gen 7/8 Grass Starter
Lucario
Pichu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Earthbound/Mother
Ness
Lucas
F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Black Shadow
Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Robin
A New Main Fire Emblem Protaginist
Roy
Corrin
Kid Icarus
Pit
Palutena
Hades
Misc.
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Olimar
R.O.B.
Villager
Isabelle
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
Shulk
Elma
Duck Hunt
Inkling
Octoling
Issac
Chibi-Robo
Takamaru
Wonder Red
Dillion
Mach Rider
Chorus Men
Mii
3rd Party
Pac-Man
Mega Man
Sonic
Rayman
Bayonetta or Tails?
Ryu
Cloud
Bomberman
Snake
what things do you agree with? and what things do you disagree with?
Why?
Oh joy, this again.
Ashley is more important to the Wario series as a whole though, she's not just Robin, she has much more potential.
Let's go over her attributes then;
. Sakurai doesn't look at what the characters do in series, he looks for if they're unique for Smash Bros....Just like how
,,, , , , , , , , , , , and etc. have all had scale adjustments to be playable. Seriously, how is it that ONLY Ridley suffers these problems with scaling if no other characters have?
I'd like you to meet someone,Let's go over her attributes then;
That's basically
- Female
- Mage
- Presumably slow
- Humanoid
...Just like how
Seriously, there are far more massive scale changes in Smash than making a 12-20 foot Ridley about the same size as Bowser.
And if you really want to say he can't be scaled down...
Then obviously he should have been the same size as Yellow Devil on the NES, right? If they always wanted him to be titanic, they could have easily always had him be titanic. Here, he's just about half the size of Yellow Devil, and about the same height as Samus. That's pretty much right within playable Smash character size. And look at that; the wings are small, too! Another idea gone, because even when Ridley was upscaled in Super Metroid, the wings were still small.
Ridley's big size is essentially just a retcon at this point. And as we all know, Smash isn't canon. It doesn't need to follow what is canon in specific series during gameplay, otherwise Samus and Sonic would have been top-tier.
the reason why i give Mario 3 Newcomers is because in SSB4 Fire Emblem had 3 f**king newcomers who were Robin, Lucina and Corrin. (although Lucina was originally a Marth Alt)
Makes sense. Can't argue with that.
Waluigi is essentially a goldmine for giving a bit of love to the spinoff Mario games, honestly. He already has a tennis racket in Brawl and Smash 4, but then he could do all sorts of goofy things. His recovery could be similar to Fox or Falco's, but using a jet of water, like he uses in Mario Hoops: 3 on 3. His Final Smash could be him literally dancing the competition away, like how he's the final boss of DDR: Mario Mix. Hell, give him moves to represent all the Mario spinoffs and right there you've got a perfect moveset.
) and one that uses a staff for the purpose of attacking (). Sure, they're not the same in spells and such, but it's the archetype itself that Sakurai cares about. She's got a few distinct elements, but most of them make more sense for a Final Smash or only a few attacks., and .
She would be though, remember I told you about her shapeshifting spells that can turn her friend into anything?Waluigi is essentially a goldmine for giving a bit of love to the spinoff Mario games, honestly. He already has a tennis racket in Brawl and Smash 4, but then he could do all sorts of goofy things. His recovery could be similar to Fox or Falco's, but using a jet of water, like he uses in Mario Hoops: 3 on 3. His Final Smash could be him literally dancing the competition away, like how he's the final boss of DDR: Mario Mix. Hell, give him moves to represent all the Mario spinoffs and right there you've got a perfect moveset.
Seriously, Waluigi has so much to go from just based on the spinoffs alone that it's ridiculous.
And Ashley is a neat concept...but again, she's not unique. We already have a female sorcerer/mage archetype character in Smash (again,
And we know that Sakurai, above all else, values characters that bring something unique to Smash for being newcomers. This has been noted time and again. Ashley, as much as you think she has a chance, is kind of hampered by Robin and Palutena basically using the same gimmicks you propose for her, thus meaning she's not unique in gimmick.
Waluigi would be much easier to make a distinct fighting style for because of all the options one has with him. If Sakurai wanted to promote Waluigi to a playable character, I think he'd have an easier time making a unique moveset for him than most newcomers simply because of his immense pool to draw from. His gimmick is his zany moveset, like
I only cut two,
because WHY, and because there's way too much Fire Emblem content in Smash Bros.
Except they don't. There's no reason why every single last veteran needs to come back.
May I ask why?
Agreed. For example, bringing Young Link back is unnecessary imo (Toon Link is basically Luigified Young Link). I'm not a fan of Pichu, Dark Pit and Lucina returning in next game either.Except they don't. There's no reason why every single last veteran needs to come back.
* as a perfect base and cut the Miis off the face of existance 
I really want to avoid another Mii / Subspace Emissary situation...** now gets a slightly more revamped moveset from Brawl, using his old moveset representing the first Kid Icarus but with his Smash 4 Final Smash. Brawl Side B won't return however, the move will probably be replaced with something from Uprising or the hammer from the first Kid Icarus. is mostly the same from Smash 4, but with more statistical differences from Pit, being slower and stronger mostly.
Alph is gonna be a Olimar semi-clone who's lighter and faster and might include her as DLC. who chooses a starter () with an evolution mechanic (>>> Mega Venusaur, > > > Mega Charizard, > > > Mega Blastoise). However, time restrictions could apply here to.
and are gonna be a "No" for me, is quite literally the worst character in Melee and I've only heard that people want him back because "He's cute", is already in the game in the form of , and ... Where do I even begin... I've talked enough about Dark Pit for a few days so I really don't think I need to explain what my thoughts are on him, as I've done it before several times, in the past week., but she's not unique, and Fire Emblem is overrepresented as is, so yeah.
, so I kept him. will be kept alive due to Amiibo support, and I'd say that only her's and 's story have the most potential for a future sequel in Fire Emblem., but not have these 2 around. However, if I would choose, I'd pick over . I think could end up pretty unique if she wasn't a last minute addition. Her stance with the Falchion could help for some inspiration in this regard. Also, make her more of a glass canon in stats I'd say.
I don't think it's that bad to include Doc but not the other two, remember that he is a two-timer.I began to ironically like
I just found it hypocritical to include
I don't think clones are bad, as long as they make sense to be a clone character.
Sure. And I could also provide an answer.
I like it. Only thing I don't think would really be possible would be the MU. I would add the Mii's back though.I'd really like to contribute, but with such a huge roster that Smash 4 has now with all it's DLC, my personal opinions are gonna be poorly received here.
First of all, I think that Smash 4 has took the direction of adding 3rd party characters wayyyyyy too far. I, as personal director of my roster, won't buy into this hype, first of all.
Second of all, I am not going to include ****tons of new Super Mario, Pokémon or Fire Emblem characters, just because I can, or find these characters more marketable than others.
Third point and final point; I WILL make cuts, and cuts are gonna be made by my own criteria.
Super Mario Series:
*All Koopalings will return as alts, and will actually have slight statistical differences in weight and speed mostly this time. Roy and Morton being heavier and slower, Iggy and Lemmy being lighter and faster, Jr. and Wendy being middle weights.
+Newcomer:
Toad
Toad is added as a newcomer because of his iconic status which is far more noticable than both Captain Toad and Paper Mario. He gets a moveset based on SMW2, like Peach.
Pokémon Series:
+Newcomer:
Placeholder for New Generation Starter, who is going to be a DLC character, because I can do this.
The Legend of Zelda Series:
+Newcomer:
Midna + Wolf (Link?)
Chosen as the representative of Twilight Princess HD because of her popularity in the series, her influence, and Twilight Princess actually being one of the most popular Zelda titles ever. If Sheik can do it, so can Midna
+Newcomer:
Impa
Seeing as I think that Impa will be prominent in Zelda Wii U, she will be included as a newcomer this time to. And her moveset will depend on a couple of factors.
1; Will her next major role (Zelda Wii U) be influential and in the same vein as her previous bigger roles as OOT and SS, where she is represented as a young, agile Sheikah ninja warrior, she will more than likely replace Sheik as a fighter. Again, because I can do this. If both Sheik AND Impa appear in Zelda Wii U, they will have semi-clone movesets.
2; If both characters Sheik and Impa are strangely absent from Zelda Wii U, I will keep Sheik's moveset the same for her, and will include Impa with her Hyrule Warriors moveset.
-Words of notice: Ganondorf will also be hugely revamped, and so will Zelda. If the revamping of these two characters takes too much imaginary development time, I'll scrap Midna and Sheik, and will recreate Sheik's style with Impa mostly, plus I'll try to throw hints of Hyrule Warriors movesets into the characters of Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and Toon Link for compensation.
Donkey Kong Country Series:
+Newcomer: Dixie Kong
+Newcomer: King K.Rool
-With all other K.Rool personas as alternative costumes obviously.
Nothing too flashy here unfortunately. But these additions are must-haves. If Retro chooses to not pick King K.Rool as their next villain for DKCR3, I could potentially switch him for Cranky Kong, and have the 4 playable Kongs from Tropical Freeze playable as compensation.
Metroid Series:
+Newcomer: ...
Not too sure what to do here, honestly.
Sure Metroid needs something. And I do have one newcomer idea that's not all too flashy, or won't be too popular, but does create some sollutions to Metroid underrepresentation whilst keeping things "fresh" while not being Ridley. And no, it's unfortunately not Anthony Higgs.
FEDERATION TROOPERRRRRRRR JOINS THE MISSION!
Why Federation Trooper?
-Federation Force is gonna be the most recent Metroid, most likely
-They are the first playable character in Metroid that's not Samus, or a Hunter
- I can use
About Ridley and the butthurt that's coming from me excluding him from my roster ; if Sakurai couldn't do it, neither can I. No seriously, I doubt I want to invest that much potential development time into Ridley because he's so demanded on the internet...
*Sylux is a potential DLC character I would create once 'that one Metroid' gets made.
Fire Emblem Series:
Yes, lots of faces, lots of swords. However, I do think these characters are now extremely iconnic to the series, and also Smash. The only character I'd potentially cut is Robin, but I doubt that's fair, and he's also quite unique. Really, Amiibo support kept these characters alive, and they are all still appearing in main stream titles because of them. This will keep these characters alive and relevant, and I think I like that.
+Newcomer: My Unit
This is a more controversial idea of mine, but one I'd really like to include. Basically, it'll allow you to create your own, or an excisting Fire Emblem fighter based on a couple of weapon classes. Swords are balanced in range, faster in regular attacks, and have no projectiles most of the time. Lances are long ranged, very precise, and have Special Attacks involving Javelins. Could also summon mounts with Specials to represent mounted fighters as Paladins, Wyvern and Pegasus Knights. Axe fighters have less reach range than swords and lances, but more KO power. The Weapon Triangle is a forced system with these guys to, swords beat axes in priority, axes beat lances in priority, and lances beat swords in priority.
Star Fox Series:
+
*DLC Fighter could be Slippy Toad if I spot some demand from his inclusion
Kirby Series:
+Bandana Dee
Kid Icarus Series:
MOTHER:
No paid Lucas DLC, so that's Okay
F-Zero:
Some things will never change
Pikmin Series:
+
Wii Fit:
Wario Series:
+Newcomer: Ashley
She was chosen as a Mii Costume after all.
Punch Out Series:
Animal Crossing Series:
Misc. / Retro Series:
+
+Newcomer: Takamaru
+Newcomer: Isaac (Golden Sun)
Third Party:
*sigh* I will state beforehand, I'd rather cut them all. However, some are probably too much of a hassle to get rid of because of backlash. So, I'll mostly keep with the bigger names.
I will cut
I would've cut Cloud, but rumors say FF7 gets ported to the NX, so that's not gonna be a wise decision. Namco not working on the next Smash could result in no Pac-Man, and MegaMan was probably lucky enough to get in at all- so I could see those 2 leaving eventually. And become DLC in the end.
If demand is really high, I might include another Sonic character.
Banjo-Kazooie will be arranged as DLC if possible. Snake would also be amazing to be brought back.
Other idea I have is to include
Opinions?
(Some things will never change)
I love youI will cut
what's your opinion on my Roster?
