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Are you saying that you are that pregnant woman? Well now that the mafia knows who you are, the best course of action is to lynch you seeing as how if they have you in their possession (i.e. capture you) when you give birth, it will bring them one step closer to victory.ligolski said:Ok...I am Claire...I cannot join the events because I am pregnant...there it is...This is why I cannot join and have been against frozenflame's theory...I am like an odd man out...Because I can't join and am town this shows that there may be others who are town like me and can't join...
I like it when people take risks, no money involved!PIKACHUz said:I'm goin all in.
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Me and some others? *looks at thread* Ummmmm...it looks like ONE person insisted that you claim, and that person would be camo-man.ligolski said:Remember you and some others wanted me to say why I couldn't join the events...and I did...I said it may have dire consequences but you insisted...I would think it would be better if we work towards lynching a mafia and protecting me during the night...our numbers are too low to lynch me, then there would be probably 2 deaths at night both which might be townie...then we have to consider how many of us die during this event...if we lose that many more we are pretty much guarented to lose...
The point was that, not only do the events not have clear benefits to the town, they do have clear negative effects. If this third event is not successful, why should we continue? The objective in this game is to kill the mafia (and independents too). If this event, with the objective to kill the mafia, is a failure, why should we continue? If this results in a loss for the town (death of its participants, more post restrictions, or otherwise) with no mafia deaths or other benefits, I really don't see what we gain from the events besides testing your theory on mafia not being able to join. And with ligolski's recent claim, it's possible that certain townies can't go on events. That's also consistent with his argument against your theory all along, so it makes sense. However, we have a bit of a wait before we resolve this issue completely. So I guess we'll leave it at that.frozenflame751 said:I only partially agree with thedocsalive's plan. While it is true that these events have had no immediate befefits for the town, I do not beleive we should boycott them just yet, and here is why. These events have a significant potential to be the greatest asset the town has had thus far. If my theory is correct, the events are able to literally root out 4 (if not all 5) mafia members. For this reason, I beleive we should participate in one more event, provided the event we are currently on follows the negative trend. If we just decide to boycott the events here and now we are essentially abandoning my theory without even giving it a chance. IMO, thedocsalive, ligolski, and riciardos should definiate join the next event seeing as how I beleive them to be the three most supicious people. if there ar emore slots open on teh next event, well, thats even better since we can clear more people.
Obviously the events have had direct negative effects without havign any positive ones. However, I beleive that they have the potential to have direct positive effects. Completely boycotting my theory just because you are afraid people are going to die is silly. Anything that has the power to reveal multiple mafia members should obviously be given a shot. Also, although ligolski's behavior is consistent with a townie who is unable to go on events, it is also consistent with a mafia member who can't on events as well is it not? For this reason, Ligolski could have easily made this false claim because it fits him so well. Not only would this claim allow him to live for another day, it would also cause the REAL pregnant women to reveal herself so that his mafia buddies can capture her.thedocsalive said:The point was that, not only do the events not have clear benefits to the town, they do have clear negative effects. If this third event is not successful, why should we continue? The objective in this game is to kill the mafia (and independents too). If this event, with the objective to kill the mafia, is a failure, why should we continue? If this results in a loss for the town (death of its participants, more post restrictions, or otherwise) with no mafia deaths or other benefits, I really don't see what we gain from the events besides testing your theory on mafia not being able to join. And with ligolski's recent claim, it's possible that certain townies can't go on events. That's also consistent with his argument against your theory all along, so it makes sense. However, we have a bit of a wait before we resolve this issue completely. So I guess we'll leave it at that.
Firstly, I don't beleive ligolski is town which is why I am pushing so hard for his lynch. Secondly, I don't consider the hatch to be DOC protection. When I say DOC protection I mean DOC protection as in A STEREOTYPICAL DOCTOR. The hatch is obviously some roleblocker/roleprotection power, not a normal doctor role. Stereotypical doctors protect you against death and that is all. Thats where I got teh idea that a doc protect would not stop ligolski from being captured. Also, I see NO POINT to keeping teh pregnant women alive. As long as she is alive she is a serious threat to the town. Although I beleive it is much more likely that ligolski is mafia, even if he is teh true pregnant woman lynching him is the safest course of action. Its a win-win situation here folks. By lynching ligolski we are either elimating a mafia member or eliminating a potential threat. I can't see any better course of action.thedocsalive said:As I said before, ligolski's claim is believable because it is consistent with his behavior. I don't think we should lynch someone who we believe to be pro-town (or at least, I do), only to prevent the mafia capture. Besides, frozenflame...where did you get the idea that doc protection won't stop him from being captured? As far as I can tell, the doc protection is being thrown into the hatch. When in the hatch, a player cannot perform a night action, nor have a night action performed upon him/her. This seems like it would prevent ligolski from being captured. Even if it's not a true doc protect, it's certainly enough to protect the pregnant woman, IMO.
Why in the world would we want to have the pregnant women counter claim if we are going to lynch ligolski anyway? Furthermore, if you think it is pointless that why in yoru right mind woudl you want to do it? Your reasoning make absolutely no sense. By having the preganant women counter claim, all we are doing is adding a sacrifice to a situation that by no means needs one. Lynching ligolski is the ONLY course of action we should take unless some groundbreaking evidence 100% proved someone else as mafia. Until that happens, ligolski should be our lynch target. Doing anything else would be a HUGE mistake. I don't understand how you dont see this; lynching ligolski is a win-win situation.thedocsalive said:As for not counterclaiming, I disagree. Even though I think it's a useless point, as I believe ligolski ATM. It's like someone counterclaiming a doctor, except better. Yes, that doc will almost certainly be killed, but in doing so we reveal a mafia member. If every town player could sacrifice himself/herself in a one-for-one trade for a mafia, the town would be able to win easily. In addition, we have the point that the hatch should be able to protect the real Claire, if there is a counterclaim, as far as I can tell.
This makes absolutely NO SENSE. How in the world would killing the pregnant woman strengthen the mafia? It says on the very first post that one of the things that the mafia can do to bring them closer to victory is CAPTURE the pregnant woman. Can the mafia capture her if she's dead? NO! Even though I highly doubt ligolski is the real pregnant woman, even if he is killing her is by far the best choice because leaving her alive is extremely risky.camo-man said:Thought: frozen could be mafia and that killing the pregnant woman in any way would strengthen him and his team.
Oops. Didn't read the first post too carefully. There's still the chance you're mafia, though, and that by pushing a lynch, you might get an easy win since none of the mafia have been taken out yet.frozen said:This makes absolutely NO SENSE. How in the world would killing the pregnant woman strengthen the mafia? It says on the very first post that one of the things that the mafia can do to bring them closer to victory is CAPTURE the pregnant woman. Can the mafia capture her if she's dead? NO! Even though I highly doubt ligolski is the real pregnant woman, even if he is killing her is by far the best choice because leaving her alive is extremely risky.
Actually YOU have also said that I should reveal...Me and some others? *looks at thread* Ummmmm...it looks like ONE person insisted that you claim, and that person would be camo-man.
YOU posted this earlier...spoon feeding is very irratating...pwned...lolAlso ligolski I think NOW would be a good time to tell us why you can't join events, seeing as how by doing so you can help prevent us from wasting a space on teh event that we could be using to try and find a mafia member who can't join.
When of any of these mafia games been orthodox to a pure mafia game??? It is very possible that who ever goes into the hatch is actually being protected...Firstly, I don't beleive ligolski is town which is why I am pushing so hard for his lynch. Secondly, I don't consider the hatch to be DOC protection. When I say DOC protection I mean DOC protection as in A STEREOTYPICAL DOCTOR. The hatch is obviously some roleblocker/roleprotection power, not a normal doctor role.
I said you should tell us why you couldn't join events. That does NOT mean roleclaim. Maybe if you had thought about what you were doing for a second, you would have realized that claiming that particular role would be devastating for the town. All you needed to say is that it has to do with my role but revealing it is much to risky. Also, I todl you to tell us why you couldn't join events a page ago. This is way before you said doing so would have dire consequences. Camo-man is the ONLY person who insisted that you claim AFTER you said it would have dire consequences. I don't need to be spoon-fed thank you very much. Pwned.ligolski said:Actually YOU have also said that I should reveal...
YOU posted this earlier...spoon feeding is very irratating...pwned...lol![]()
The fact that none of these games have been orthodox mafia games in completely irrelevant. Just because a game has a unique theme doesn not mean it can't have normal roles. So far every game has had a normal doc and a normal cop, therefore I am inclined to beleive that this game has a normal doc in it and that the hatch is not the doctor role.ligolski said:When of any of these mafia games been orthodox to a pure mafia game??? It is very possible that who ever goes into the hatch is actually being protected...
And camo-man's "thought" about you frozen makes sense...you could be mafia and your mafia buddies have decided that because you guys are doing so well that you will not capture me and try to lynch me to make you look more town instead of mafia...