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Piano. I quit Piano three years ago. I want to learn it now.
Those keys are hard to memorize. Just sayin'

Why is Piano so hard to learn?
 

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When you say keys, do you mean playing them, or the notes they represent?
 

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The way I remember is by always focusing on middle C (since the piano is a C instrument)



Ignore the stuff about hertz and octave, and just memorize the physical layout of the keyboard. When you see that group of keys in the middle (white/black/white/black/white), train your mind to instantly think "C." If you can remember that one note, it becomes easier to deduce what the notes around it are.

That's just the way I do it, but I've never had official lessons or anything.
 

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Jam Stunna is such a nice guy.
 

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Just learn where the white keys are to begin with. As long as you can find C, you can find them all (there's only A to G).

As you keep playing, the rest will come naturally. The black keys are kind of self-explanatory so you don't need to ''remember'' them really.
 

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The thing I hated most about the piano was it's lack of portability. You could bring around a guitar or a violin. But when it came to a piano, most of the nice keyboards are too big and too expensive when it comes to playability. Again the keys go from A to G# (aka A flat) so as long as you know where to start off on the keyboard (jamstunna's post) you can refer it to the sheet music:



Practice makes perfect.
 

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It's way easier to learn one instrument after you've learned another, so after you learn piano you could go on to something else too. My girlfriend is a pro on cello in like 5 months, it's ridiculous. Her intonation is better than mine, since she's played the piano and sang for about 7-8 years.

That said, if you want a challenge after learning piano, learned an unfretted stringed instrument. It's so worth it
 

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I wish I were able to play by ear :<
Playing by ear is easier than it sounds (no pun intended ;)). You just have to replicate the sound that you hear. Reading sheet music is where it can get difficult.

It's way easier to learn one instrument after you've learned another, so after you learn piano you could go on to something else too. My girlfriend is a pro on cello in like 5 months, it's ridiculous. Her intonation is better than mine, since she's played the piano and sang for about 7-8 years.

That said, if you want a challenge after learning piano, learned an unfretted stringed instrument. It's so worth it
Yeah, I played the clarinet for several years before I tried my hand at piano. It made it so much easier.
 

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I'm ordering my weighted keyboard Monday. I already know my scales, and I played mariamba in indoor drumline, and my cello gives me practice with using bother fingers, so I think I'll pick it up pretty fast. the main thing I worry about is learning the technique properly. Once I get that down and get my hands able to play two separate rhythms perfectly, then it should be easy clearing from there, right? Or is there something else difficult about learning it that I'm not aware of?
 

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I quit piano like 5 years ago, and never looked back.

I can read music though, which is cool. And I can also play by ear, for the most part.
 

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I'm ordering my weighted keyboard Monday. I already know my scales, and I played mariamba in indoor drumline, and my cello gives me practice with using bother fingers, so I think I'll pick it up pretty fast. the main thing I worry about is learning the technique properly. Once I get that down and get my hands able to play two separate rhythms perfectly, then it should be easy clearing from there, right? Or is there something else difficult about learning it that I'm not aware of?
I have a digital piano :) Only thing I can say is practice makes perfect. Depending what sort of music you are looking to play, things can get much more complicated than that!

Learning to join the notes smoothly is probably the first skill to get down (it's harder than people think).
 

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I'm taking classes for the Piano right now.

It's on a keyboard though, and I don't think I'm going to stick with just this one instrument. I just know it's a pretty important tool for making music so it's good to know.

I really want to learn the drums though. I really like a lots of percussion.

Learning it hasn't been that hard though but then again I have a teacher to go along with this.
I've only been frustrated a couple of times so far.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lypur

Look into this guys videos. He has a music theory class which is really important to me but if you forgot some stuff on the Piano he might be able to refresh your memory.
 

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Why is Piano so hard to learn?
Depends, really... it employs a lot. Touch typing for example, is not too dissimilar from playing a piano w/o looking at your hands. Then there's the hand-eye ques, see such-n-such = play such-n-such... then there's the technique involved, play such-n-such this way or that way... and that's like, one note, lol now multiply that process times all the notes in a song, in the order they appear, at the speed it's meant to be played, etc etc, yeah it's not easy. As has been said, practice makes perfect. The best way to learn piano is by first committing yourself to learning it. Start off small, practicing drills, such as your scales, arpeggios and cadences. The "Dozen a day" books are awesome for early beginners, but dunno where you're at skill-wise. When taking on a piece, usually beginners start by playing the right hand first, then the left hand, before putting it together. This is ok to do, but try to move to playing both at the same time as quickly as you can. Don't worry about mistakes, but don't ignore them either, train yourself to recognize an error and replay the passage until it's error free. Don't sweat tempo, just because the song calls for "vivace" doesn't mean you have to learn it at that speed. The slower you go, the greater the chance you'll hit every note correctly.

It wouldn't hurt to take piano lessons, either. A piano teacher is able to correct errors in technique quickly to prevent bad habits from setting in. They are able to gauge your ability and feed you pieces and excercises accordingly, just like any other subject matter that's taught, like math or English.

I'm ordering my weighted keyboard Monday. I already know my scales, and I played mariamba in indoor drumline, and my cello gives me practice with using bother fingers, so I think I'll pick it up pretty fast. the main thing I worry about is learning the technique properly. Once I get that down and get my hands able to play two separate rhythms perfectly, then it should be easy clearing from there, right? Or is there something else difficult about learning it that I'm not aware of?
Sweet dude! Which one did you decide on?? Learning to play two different things at once hand wise is certainly a decent challenge, but actually I'd say the most difficult aspect to piano is the technique. There are TONS of techniques, it's ridiculous. One of the first ones to learn is proper hand placement on the keyboard.

I forget if I ever saw a picture of your hands, but if they're large, you'll wanna get a grapefruit, if average, a baseball, etc... wrap your hand around it, to train your brain to recognize "ready" stance with the hand. This is how your hand will be positioned when ready to play at the piano. Another method is to form the "cat's paw" shape. Always keep your finger nails clipped. Not only is it annoying to hear click click click, but it ensures you're pressing the keys with the right part of the finger, which enables superior control, and muscle memory. Try to press the keys with the very tips of the fingers, and the side of the thumb... press firmly at first when learning a piece if you get to a passage that's difficult. It should feel as if you're squeezing the finger tips/thumb.

When sitting at the piano, sit upright, with the bench properly raised/lowered for maximum efficiency. Feet are flat, ergonomics at its best. Then look down at the backs of your hands, and ensure that that they are turned slightly outward. They should be flat with the piano, arms at right angles... elbows not sticking out or scrunched in, but comfortable. This is ready-stance technique, and essential for any good performance, private or otherwise.

Most piano music will be forgiving when it comes to multi-part rhythm. The "left hand" or "bass line" will normally be repetitive, to allow the "right hand" to stand out more and be recognized. But if you're worried about mastering left/right independence, there's the popular African technique which drummers employ more colloquially as "together hand-foot-hand." Doing with both hands is interesting. In split time signature, the RH is for instance playing 3/4 and the left is playing 4/4... training your brain to do this is kinda difficult at first but you can attack it the drummer's way with "together (as in tap your knee at the same time you tap your foot) then hand (tap your knee) - foot (tap the foot) - hand (the knee) you can learn this. Using both hands and a table just start by tapping one hand at a stead pace. Then add the other hand at the offset steps. Together. Right left right, together right left right etc. So long as both hands are doing this and both are tapping steady paces, you've got it. The brain center accessed is the same as from when rubbing your tummy and patting your head at the same time.

Another difficult task especially in piano is getting your 4th finger to behave. Franz Liszt actually devised a contraption to help with this biological anomaly (the 3rd and 4th fingers are "connected" further back in the hand making independent movement between them difficult) which didn't work, and actually ended his career as a pianist as he caused himself permanent damage. The best practice for beating this pianist's-bane work simultaenously as an excellent technique for learning staccato (fast plucky hits) ... again with the cat's paw, place your hand firmly in start position and remembering to ensure you're hands are level and at correct playing height. Then one by one, raise and lower each digit as high as possible, stretching the muscles and getting them to remember what it feels like. When you get to the forth finger you'll notice it barely moves in comparison to the other digits. No worries, with practice you'll get it to raise and lower a sufficient amount of height. It's not about the height so much as the independent movement, so as to keep it nimble. This is also why it's a good exercise in general for staccato.

Sound technique is a different animal. p or piano and f or fortissimo are the endpoints, though technically you'll find ppp and fff to demonstrate a song-wide medium of sound control. We refer to this as Dynamics. Practicing Dynamics is good while practicing scales/arpeggios/cadences. While going through them, start soft, get louder as you go up the scale, softer as you decline, etc etc. Experiment, play around. This trains your brain to think of the 2 things separately, while also training your ear to respond to the piano's volume. This way you can master controlling your hands.

Ear Training is important also. To be able to recognize which note is being played just by its sound, aka relative pitch, is a skill that takes practice, but once mastered will quickly lend itself to playing music more accurately, especially when sight-reading.

There's a million more pointers/tips/tricks/lessons/strategies, lol. You've chosen an excellent instrument to learn. Just remember the depth that you wish to take your expertise is all up to you. You can aspire to be classical like Van Cliburn, or you can hope to throw down like Ben Folds, it's all up to you and what you want out of it. But regardless of what you're going for, make sure you practice at least an hour a day. Start with the drills, then move on to the songs. When learning songs, start with hands separate, then together. Then without the music.

Having no teacher on hand could make things more difficult, so to ensure you're playing things correctly, you can employ the Suzuki method, whereby you learn by ear. This way you'll know if what you're actually playing is right cause you have the reference. But when starting off, you're best choices are going to be easy songs, like 3 blind mice, etc. cause you'll already know what it's supposed to sound like.

There's a slew of books for piano that can help and that I'd strongly recommend. John Thompson's Modern Course for the Piano is an excellent place to start. I believe they still go First Grade, Second Grade, etc. These books have hundreds of songs in the them, all based on skill level, and are progressively laid out so you can go from total beginner to fairly advanced. They come with prefaces etc that help guide you through your lessons, no teacher required. Also again the Dozen a Day books are great for drills.

haha I could go on for eons :p
 

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I lol'd when I came in and saw it wasn't a quitting Brawl thread...lol

I also quit Piano. I felt like I was progressing quickly, but once I stopped getting songs in the key of C I learned to dislike it. Drums are way too good.
 

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I've just been starting to learn thumb position on the cello, and it seriously is a *****. I love it though.

Most full-time musicians are at least proficient at the piano. It's like a staple.
 

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I wish I were able to play by ear :<

i wish i were able to play some instrument.

I quit piano like 5 years ago, and never looked back.
i was forced to take music class in grade 7 and 8, picked the alto sax in 7 and arbitrarily picked it in 8. Should have forgot the sax and did drums, all i had to pay for were drumsticks for $25. If I wanted to rent the sax it was $255 (which i did in gr7), and in gr8 i bought a mouth piece for the alto which coincidentally was also $25 for keeps.

serious regret. we had these random exercises requiring us to see how long we could hold a single note. I wasnt able to go for 3 seconds... i had a weird habit of sucking in my diaphragm if I did a quick & big inhale. In case you don't know that's actually wrong, I should have puffed up my diaphragm, but i guess it was stupid muscle memory.

Now all I dig is the drums in Jazz (not even the Sax as much).
 

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Hahah funnily enough I also play drums and piano. Except I've only played drums for about 4 years or so, not highly proficient. But have played piano for... close to 9 or 10 years I think. Pianists make great drummers (as my teacher always said) as they have good independence of the limbs (from the hands) and feel of the beat and tempo of a piece.

Drums would probably be the "funner" instrument, but piano is by far the most satisfying. I think the most important part of piano is identifying your strengths and weaknesses, such as I have fairly good sight reading skills, but terrible playing by ear. I've had to work on my musical ear a lot and it has helped me much more than just focusing on my strength of sight reading.

Picking up the piano is a great choice, if you don't quit you'll not regret it. =).

PS: Whoever said playing classical or banging it off like Ben Folds. I love playing ben's pieces =).
 

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I quit piano like 5 years ago, and never looked back.

I can read music though, which is cool. And I can also play by ear, for the most part.
This is pretty much my case as well.
Played piano from kindergarten to fifth grade, and then quit lessons. It will help me when I join band next year for high-school, though; the teacher doesn't usually accept non sixth-grade beginning students unless they've been in band throughout middle school. He's letting me do percussion like I want because of my (moderately rusty) experience. x3
 

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PS: Whoever said playing classical or banging it off like Ben Folds. I love playing ben's pieces =).
That was me :p Ben Folds is awesome, though my strongest influence for my piano style is by far Vince Guaraldi... his style of bass-line is just so fun! Scott Joplin is a close second, syncopation is my favorite musical tool. Here's something I wrote that makes a good example of my piano style, though you have to wade through a few minutes of d&b before you get to it :p
 

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I'm a drummer, but I wish I could play piano. I own a piano, but it's one of those things that I just can't get. Drums came very natural to me; I was raised with them. But I can't get a feel for piano.

Anyway, I think piano is one of the most useful instruments to learn. Getting a good understanding of the piano helps with all aspects of music. Hell, my music theory classes pretty much revolved around the piano.
 

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Ahh Scott Joplin, ragtime is a fun style of play. Its almost a classical technique (very proper) but lots of feeling and innovation. Syncopation was the hardest part of music I learnt hahaha.
 

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Scott Joplin is great. I didn't play him on the piano though, I played one of his pieces on clarinet.
 

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Clarinet is beautiful, just so warm and mellow. George Gershwin has some decent clarinet pieces also, and his style is also quite alluring to me. Rhapsody in Blue for example.

I forgot one super important piece of advice for any aspiring pianist. Use. A. Metronome. This may even be held true for any aspiring musician, but with piano, it's essential. When you first pick up a piece to play, you don't have to use it, cause you're not going for steady playing as you're playing one hand then the other, and probably at ridiculously slow speeds, even slower than a metronome may allow for. But once you know the notes, definitely perform the piece with a metronome! I used to have one of those old school ones that looks like the Washington Monument and you have to wind it up, and it uses a counter weight system to keep it in time, but digital is the way to go, as the analog ones tend to get off ever so slightly if you so much as drop it once.
 

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Clarinet is beautiful, just so warm and mellow. George Gershwin has some decent clarinet pieces also, and his style is also quite alluring to me. Rhapsody in Blue for example.
Good clarinet is beautiful. I sounded like an out of tune goose.
 

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Good clarinet is beautiful. I sounded like an out of tune goose.
Awwww, haha that was adorable *hug* you poor fellow. You're right though Clarinet can be squawky, or shrill...

but nothing beats bad violin. That one right there is enough to drive one to murder :laugh:
 
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