I just dont understand one thing...

[TheSpindoctor]

Why wouldnt they use a ranking system? I mean, I know the playing is playing, but still, you want to know if your opponent going to be a challenge or not. You also want to be recognized if you are 100 and 1, differently than someone who is 1 and 100.

Bottom line, I just dont understand why they wouldnt make a ranking system. I understand that they want to be "child friendly" but honestly, who could a ranking system possibly hurt.

I just really wanted to get this on paper, because I am kind of annoyed.

 

[raphtmarqui]

How do u know they arent using a ranking system?

 

[Al Calnos]

I don't see why a ranking system is so important. Personally I rarely pay attention to it in other games. So what if my StarCraft record is 3 wins and 200-something loses, I don't care! I just get online a play! And thats what I'll do with Brawl.

I, however, would like some form of searching options to be available for the "With Anyone" mode. Items/No Items, Teams or FFA, regions, etc... get what I'm saying?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I find it better if we had no ranking system in games. People tend to disrespect others with crappy records.

 

[Fawriel]

Who says that someone with a 100% victory record didn't just challenge a bunch of complete n00bs?
And who says that someone with more losses than victories isn't a great player who likes challenging even better ones for training?

Rankings are inaccurate and prone to abuse. Not using one in the first place is not a big loss.
If you want to know who's worth fighting, arrange some battles via the forums...
Besides, some people are already working on making a community-internal rankings system.

 

[Spellman]

Undecided

Meh, I was kinda disappointed about the ranking system at first, but I'll get over it. I'll keep my own personal records for kicks though, just to keep it interesting. I'm mad because I'll never get to see peoples funny usernames. Like hotpinoyboi94, or DonathanBailey, or bloodzowncripsfolyfe.

I'm still undecided whether I truly care if there's a ranking system or not. Seems like just some way to create famous people in games, like Metroid Prime Hunters did with the official Nintendo Wi-Fi website. Maybe there will be ranking systems for those signed up to MyNintendo or whatever, although, I've always found visiting those sites a hassle. (although, I was on dial-up last time I tried).

But everyone really wants a ranking system, and would even go so far as to make their own personal forum ranking systems, which is cool and all, but creates a lot of unnecessary work if Nintendo would just record things automatically and let others view the records of people whenever they want. Even I'm interested in joining the little ranking/honour system dealie. Anywho.

 

[HyperTheHedgehog]

After playing Mario kart DS and MPH extensively, I'd say that no rankings is the BEST thing to happen to Brawl's Random battles.

 

[Darkurai]

How do u know they arent using a ranking system?

Because Sakurai specifically said so.

 

[Takalth]

Ranking systems dramatically increase the competitive atmosphere of a game. You can't help but compare yourself to everybody else or worry about rank.

Further, people treat you differently because of your rank. Many will skip out on a match if they don't like the rank of their opponent(s), and if you're doing teams, people boot their low-ranking team mate.

Unlike many places where you can easily appeal to both the casual and competitive crowd, rankings are one place where you have to choose one in exclusion to the other, and since online won't be good for competitive matches anyway (even Sakurai says it will be laggy), they made the right choice. And BTW, I say this as a competitive player.

 

[Alias]

im happy with it

i saw a wifi update and i was thrilled


and i know Sakurai is gonna beef up friends online matches

 

[Argyle471jr]

i just want to add that if they added rankings, people would be more likely to "accidentially" disconnect and that gets really annoying.. at least to me it does. and it gets annoying to spend that much time on a match just to have the other person wuss out when you are about to win and you get nothign to show for it. >_>
but thats just my opinion, i'm a "smash n00b" according to this so you dont have to listen to me ^_^

 

[maxpower1227]

Tournaments will still exist to decide who is among the best of the best. For the rest of us, we get to keep records of our matches with friends for bragging rights and trash talking, but we ALSO get no-stress fights against people from all over the world. It's the best of both worlds imo.

 

[DarthWolf42]

We have tournaments for that. What if someone hacked the game? Nothing to really stop him, right?

 

[Truce]

It's all about money. What we really want Brawl Wifi to be here is Xbox Live by Nintendo, and it's just not reasonable to expect a free service to equal a pay service. If we could have fantastic ranking systems, voice chat and minimal lag, we'd have to pay $XX.99/month for it.

"But what about Wifi and DS games?" you say. "A bunch of them have all that stuff!" Truth is, it's a weaker system, and online is one of the DS's main features. The Wii's got motion sensitivity, its main claim to fame, and its first online title is gonna suffer because of that.

I know, I hate it too.

 

[Red Exodus]

I don't know why he didn't include one. Who wants to play against people that can't even get back to the stage?

Also note: Nothing in life is free. Nintendo's online is free, but the price we pay is having to put up with a crappy service. I'd pay for good online. Is $4.50 a month really THAT much?

 

[miller483]

If you ask me, no rankings will dramatically decrease disconnections IMO. Not completely destroy them. but lower them.

 

[Red Exodus]

What's worse? DCers or SDers?

 

[Kirby knight]

Why wouldnt they use a ranking system? I mean, I know the playing is playing, but still, you want to know if your opponent going to be a challenge or not. You also want to be recognized if you are 100 and 1, differently than someone who is 1 and 100.

Bottom line, I just dont understand why they wouldnt make a ranking system. I understand that they want to be "child friendly" but honestly, who could a ranking system possibly hurt.

I just really wanted to get this on paper, because I am kind of annoyed.

I really don't see what the big fuss about not adding a ranking system is causing. Now this is a somewhat odd comparison but I'll do it anyway.

When RSE nb was still popular; most of the people that had huge rankings only got them by beating n00bs; meanwhile people with 0/0/0 records were the ones that could actually be challenging.

If Brawl had rankings people are just going to ***** wins over and over again by beating people less skilled than them; so they can look better by having better wins; in reality they're not very good. They only got those wins by beating other n00bs.

I don't really see the big deal people are making about Brawl not having records.

-Knight

 

[Red Exodus]

I said it before, I'll say it again. Kirby King, any dev with a brain can easily overcome that problem, that's not a reason to exclude ranks.

Here, I'll even tell you the most common ways of solving the problem.

Either make experience, points, whatever they use to message rank worth more for better opponents and worth nothing for people far lower in rank or simply only allow people to fight others in ranked matches as long as they are within a certain range within ranks.

It's not about knowing you are the best, it's about fighting people that are near your level of skill.

 

[4 Aces]

i just want to add that if they added rankings, people would be more likely to "accidentially" disconnect and that gets really annoying.. at least to me it does. and it gets annoying to spend that much time on a match just to have the other person wuss out when you are about to win and you get nothign to show for it. >_>
but thats just my opinion, i'm a "smash n00b" according to this so you dont have to listen to me ^_^

I agree. I definitely felt this when I played Metroid Prime Hunters. People are also tempted to cheat with cheat codes (at least in MPH). Although ranking is nice so that you can compete against people near your skill level. BTW, if you play MPH, Star Fox Command, or Tetris DS, then post your friend code. Mine is (I believe) 4596-5136-9333, but that's for MPH.

 

[_Phloat_]

If you ask me, no rankings will dramatically decrease disconnections IMO. Not completely destroy them. but lower them.

I think it might increase them in some cases..

They don't know who you, they dont lose anything, and they save their own time.

No real reason not to, 'cept sportsmanship, which seems to be running low nowadays (Im a strikers player, unfortunatly >_<)

 

[Tristan_win]

Having no online ranking system is actually really good as it doesn't cause debating over who’s the best really is and that will force tournaments to continue. Also because there is no ranking system people like Ken and M2k will be able to fight with complete noobs and thus enlighten them on how bad they really are. Mix that with the fact you can't chat means they will continually question how they do those odd movement and combos and will search online. Hopefully some of those poor noobs will find there way to smashboards.

 

[po pimpus]

Ranking systems dramatically increase the competitive atmosphere of a game. You can't help but compare yourself to everybody else or worry about rank.

Further, people treat you differently because of your rank. Many will skip out on a match if they don't like the rank of their opponent(s), and if you're doing teams, people boot their low-ranking team mate.

Unlike many places where you can easily appeal to both the casual and competitive crowd, rankings are one place where you have to choose one in exclusion to the other, and since online won't be good for competitive matches anyway (even Sakurai says it will be laggy), they made the right choice. And BTW, I say this as a competitive player.

Quoted. For. The. ****. Truth.

Seriously, in a game as frame-intensive as this one, even the slightest amount of lag is enough to screw with the outcome of a match. Seeing as how no two people will ever both have perfect connection rates, THERE WILL BE LAG IN ONLINE MATCH-UPS, PERIOD.

That, and there WILL be cheating of all sorts. Maybe not in the beginning, but eventually, as the Gamesharks and Action Replays for Wii start coming out, people will be using crap like No-Damage cheats, One-Hit Kills, and Player Two Always has 999% Damage hacks flooding the system. Beyond that kind of flagrant, over-the-top cheating, is more subtle stuff like padding wins and once you have a decent enough record, refusing matches with anyone you even THINK might beat you, thereby completely defeating the purpose of an online leader board in the first place.

It's happened with EVERY SINGLE ONLINE-ENABLED game thus far, and anyone foolish enough to think it won't happen with Brawl, is sadly deluded. That's why I'm glad that only Friend Code matches will record wins/losses, that way, it will be easy to track cheating scrubs like that and avoid them like the plague that they are.

Besides, it's not like it's necessary to enjoy the game with, so why worry so much about an arbitrary number underneath your name? Kinda like Post Count, wouldn't you say?

 

[Edds]

i quite like how wifi online turned out. tho i would of like to see people's names.

 

[NES n00b]

I don't really ****ing care because I am going to get the friend codes of people I know are good already. Random matches will be for when I am bored and want to destroy random people.

As for reasons they wouldn't do one, more friendly to people since there is no judgement and it saves money since they don't have to program it. Found two reasons off the top of my head.

 

[Drascin]

For reasons repeteadly stated above, I don't really feel we needed an online ranking. My only gripe is not being able to see people's screennames - I like to know who I am losing to

 

[Team Giza]

It would be nice if there was an invisible ranking system so that when you go to "with Anyone" mode it would at least pair you with people with similar win/lose ratios.

 

[Jossy]

they can prevent it easily

D/C = auto lose
D/C = get a new player to replace him temporarily (unranked) to warm up (game can continue)

so yea...

 

[C_001]

Lets say someone you have a rank of 100 and the other person has about 20. If the 20 gets a homerun bat, or any other unfiar item, then it's an unfair battle. If there was ranked, it shoud only by no-item only.

 

[Kirb94]

No ranking system = No one obsessed with their record.

 

[Conformal_Invariance]

There's only rankings on Friend matches, assuming I read correctly.

Aforementioned points on lowered disconnections are quite correct.

Names, no names, numbers or no, fun is what I seek - perhaps in a different flavour, however.

 

[_Phloat_]

Hey, counter strike doesn't have a ranking system, yet it is still insanely popular.

I hope that it is not all FFA time matches, but thats what it looks like.

But, FFAs with noobs are great, especially if you use a thought-to-be-bad-by-noobs-character, such as jigglypuff. Rest them xD

 

[Card]

Why wouldnt they use a ranking system? I mean, I know the playing is playing, but still, you want to know if your opponent going to be a challenge or not. You also want to be recognized if you are 100 and 1, differently than someone who is 1 and 100.

Bottom line, I just dont understand why they wouldnt make a ranking system. I understand that they want to be "child friendly" but honestly, who could a ranking system possibly hurt.

I just really wanted to get this on paper, because I am kind of annoyed.

The reason they wouldn't use a ranking system is because they literally CAN'T.

Nintendo supports the bare minimum of Online modes and services, so the servers literally aren't able to perform such functions. No Lobbies, Leaderboards, Text-Chat or Voice-Chat, Ranking System, Tournament settings, is all because Nintendo utilizes a very basic form on online functionality, and they just cant support those features. (Although one might say they camouflage that with their "This is a global console for all ages, blah blah blah) It's really that simple.

 

[NES n00b]

The reason they wouldn't use a ranking system is because they literally CAN'T.

Nintendo supports the bare minimum of Online modes and services, so the servers literally aren't able to perform such functions. No Lobbies, Leaderboards, Text-Chat or Voice-Chat, Ranking System, Tournament settings, is all because Nintendo utilizes a very basic form on online functionality, and they just cant support those features. (Although one might say they camouflage that with their "This is a global console for all ages, blah blah blah) It's really that simple.

Doesn't Mario Strikers Charged have Leaderboards? I am pretty sure it does. Everything else is just a way to save money. They could pay for better servers and programmers to program these things into their online, but that would be more expensive.

 

[HumanIce]

Why wouldnt they use a ranking system? I mean, I know the playing is playing, but still, you want to know if your opponent going to be a challenge or not. You also want to be recognized if you are 100 and 1, differently than someone who is 1 and 100.

Bottom line, I just dont understand why they wouldnt make a ranking system. I understand that they want to be "child friendly" but honestly, who could a ranking system possibly hurt.

I just really wanted to get this on paper, because I am kind of annoyed.

I think the ranking system is great, and I think everything about melee is perfect..

 

[NeoSoul]

Id like there to be rankings...... for the simple reason that Im prolly gonna get ***** by the random uber-asian kid :******:

 

[GaryCXJk]

Ranking leads to cheating, like early disconnects and Action Replay. It blows.

 

[chkenparm]

I'm kinda glad there's no ranking system, might cut down on the cheating. I don't know how many games I've had to stop playing online cause of the insane amount of cheating and/or dishonorable tactics going on. I'm happy just playing my friends cause i know they won't be cheesy and i can go to their house and smash them for real if they are.

 

[Kooichi]

It makes it more interesting if you don't who your fighting.

Think about it, you don't know if your going to fight a beginner, a veteran, or an elite XD And I dont care what rank I would be, I know how good I can play =]

 

[Fawriel]

Id like there to be rankings...... for the simple reason that Im prolly gonna get ***** by the random uber-asian kid :******:

An uber-Asian?
You mean, like, from the Himalayas?